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I think that thoughts should come in the most simple of words, which are OOC in nature. I am surprised that they didn't say TTM is OOC to.

What does everyone think about this new rule?

Now here is a question for everyone. When does Gemstone become to complicated that it's no more fun? This is a fantasy world. Most come here to get away from the RL world, which is filled with rules. To me, it's becoming to complicated to have fun anymore.

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"Scripted" IS OOC. It is how one describes an item that has had emits added to it. Characters don't know what emits are. Characters don't know what a script is, unless they're using one to practice for a performance like a play or skit.

"Alteration" is kinda on the fence I think. If something used to be plain and is now embellished (like a blue cloak that now has a nice trim or lining to it), then by all definitions of the word, the item is altered. That's the correct term for it and I don't see how that would be OOC.

But something that was one thing once, and is now something totally different is not altered. In fact I can't even think of an In-Genre explanation for that.

TTM *IS* OOC. It's chat-room speak and has no place in the game. Just like emoticons. Just like FWIW and IMHO. People are supposedly HEARING you talk, not READING text on a computer screen. Like you said, this is fantasy. As such, people should attempt to keep as far from chat-room speech as possible, to encourage the fantasy to flourish in our minds.

Three consonants put together do not make a word, and in most cases cannot be pronounced as a word. TTM, if one had to pronounce it, would be t'tim. If you wanna say Tee Tee Em, then spell it as such. If you want to say think to me, then say so. But no, TTM, when HEARD AS TTM, does not equal tee tee em.

Same goes for any and all acronyms that have no vowels to separate them. SONAR, RADAR, FUBAR, ASAP - they all can be pronounced. IMHO can be pronounced as im-ho, but is that how you want people to hear it? If you want them to hear it as Eye-Em-Aych-Oh then spell it as such. I never understood why people couldn't grasp this concept.

Even in Inferno where I play now there are a few people who use acronyms and it grates on my nerves. But it's a rare occurrence, and those of us who DO dislike it are quick to teach newcomers to shy away from it.

Roberta
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To me, it's becoming to complicated to have fun anymore.

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Its not complicated at all. There should be no "rules". Having the point of view that these are rules and regulations you have to follow, like speed limits or no parking zones is the wrong attitude to have.

Its really very simple. Think through your characters eyes. Your character doesn't know what scripted means , just like he doesnt know what scripting is, just like he doesn't know what afk means or what a vcr is. He's never heard of Final Fantasy, never played Playstation 2 or looked up porn on the internet.

If you want to get away from RL, then really get away from RL.

'lood

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But unfortunately, we get people who show up with this..

>So-and-so says, "Ewe bettah heel me biyactch else I slap ewe up'side yo head an killify you yo!"

And insist that's exactly how their character IS, and therefore everyone else should just put up with it.

And so we end up having to deal with rules. Fortunately, people who CARE about RP on a consistent level will never have to worry about breaking the rules. That's because they've been enforcing it on themselves before the rule was ever created.

Ah well.

Roberta
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I was told by Kennesaw a year and a half ago when I assisted and asked about scripted items and he said there is no problem with it.

I was just casually bringing up a concern and he went so far that he didn't see anything wrong with the word.

My how things change. At the pace Gemstone changes I think in 10 years there might be an engagement system.

I think what we are seeing here ladies and gentlemen are people that are just fed up and tired of the day late dollar short routine. Either fix all the glaring problems and enforce policy that is CLEAR or just let it go to hell. At least that way we know how to act.

Bitter... reg

With any luck, this trend will continue, driving away the video game crowd, converting some who are interested in a role playing game, and finally delivering a quality role playing game to the long disappointed customers who have always expected one.

(I suspect that GS3 is beginning to realize that a larger customer base means nothing if other products are higher quality and actively recruiting their players. I put in an application for Inferno yesterday, referred there by BagLady. I have yet to give it a try.) reg

"A GM just said that saying scripted is OOC, if you don't believe me come to my Wayside table and ask the GM yourself!"

Concept: Completely unclear. reg

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Originally posted by Nahiar:
The most hilarious part of this whole ordeal was when I heard the thoughts of some well meaning but clueless individual announce,

"A GM just said that saying scripted is OOC, if you don't believe me come to my Wayside table and ask the GM yourself!"

Concept: Completely unclear.

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The majority of players in the game day in and day out are of this caliber. I blame the policy and staff's enforcement that attracts and retains these idiots.

Anyone ever met Augie? (I think I understand why she was on that website as a twit) She would be a perfect example of the type of person that now dominates the player population. Roleplays some, but at the drop of a hat things don't go the way she likes she cries to a GM at a drop of a hat.

Roleplay games mean acting in a fashion that is fantasy. Just because someone doesn't like you or says something that is negative doesn't mean it's directed at you.

99 percent of the people in GS3 do not understand that simple fact.

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Also I don't think its 'proper' to be calling people idiots because they don't think like you do. Can you honestly say you have never once gone OOC, or done something really stupid? I doubt it.

No one is perfect. Saying things like you have makes you sound like a stuck up, self-proclaimed perfectionist.(And has no idea they aren't perfect themselves.)

I realize I am not perfect, I have made many mistakes, and ruined peoples game experience at times. I also learn from my mistakes most of the time. Thats all I can hope for. reg

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Originally posted by Desharei:
TTM *IS* OOC. It's chat-room speak and has no place in the game.
Roberta

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Unless you've been hanging in the Psychic Hotline chat rooms, TTM is not chat room speak.

Who is going to say "think to me" in a chat room?

Just because its an acronym doesn't automatically make it OOC.

Go to ANY military base in the world, and ask "Where is the PX?"

Are they going to say - "I don't know what you are talking about cause thats chat room speak"
or Are they going to give you directions on how to get to the Post Exchange?

Acronyms were around a LONG time before chat rooms and the internet were even an issue.

I guess TSC, or DC is chat room speak too. After all, its an acronym.

Now, whether you like or dislike acronyms is a different matter entirely. But at least call it as your personal preference, rather than trying to tie some "bad roleplaying" aspect to it.

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The written expression of that series of sounds is PX. And this is what I have the problem with, when it comes to acronyms. If there is no vowel separating the consonants, then the letters cannot be pronounced as a word.

That's why I have no problem with Radar, Sonar, even ASAP (although I've been told by a few people that they've never heard anyone actually pronounce it ay-sap - while I pronounce it like that all the time!).

Roberta
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If you write the alphabet down, even a first grader is able to know what it means and is able to pronounce them.

In fact, most military bases even advertise their Post Exchange as "PX".

If you want to sound out each and every word you write so that its phonetically correct, thats your personal choice.

But it has nothing to do with good roleplaying, bad roleplaying, or stuff that is out of character.

TTM, DC, TSC and the like are **NOT** OOC. You just don't like them.

reg

Last time I read a book and the character said he needed to use the ATM machine, the author didn't spell it out as Aieteem machine, he just spelled it out in a pretty simple fashion ATM.

I think characters can differentiate the difference between an acronym and a word, and to state that every acronym should be spelled out in the form of a proper word is silly and far fetched.

- Lord Kranar, human Archwizard reg

Come on now Roberta. You did go way overboard trying to prove a point.

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Lord Deprav reg

The easiest way to draw a line between OOC and IC would be to think about which 'persona' the term or phrase is dealing with.

AS/DS/CS etc., all deal with terms that help the player and not the character, so they are OOC. The same would go for the use of the term 'scripted'.

The character sees a scripted item functioning. Example: XYZ's cloak billows in the wind.

The player now knows that this particular cloak, because of the sheer coding mechanics of the game, is 'scripted'. Many people feel that because we can 'see' the numbers and/or actions of a scripted item, that use of those terms describing them are IC. Not so.

For me the term 'altered' falls under the same catagory. Altered is used to let the player know that this item has been changed. Letting the character know the item has been altered would probably be better done by saying..unique.

The use of TTM and the rest.. they serve no purpose in this game other than to shorten what you are trying to say. One thing to keep in mind about role-play.. your character is 'speaking' and not just simply typing out a bunch of words. Reading and speaking are two separate things.

[This message has been edited by Siara (edited 08-10-2001).] reg

It only takes longer to type. But characters aren't reading text on a screen. They're hearing people talking. And TTM is just plain lazy and not roleplaying whatsoever.

Roberta
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Man of many opinions reg

I had never played any type of on-line game, and had only used a computer at work, never for personal use (I gave new meaning to the phrase "fresh off the Turnip Farm"!). I had read the guide and understood roleplaying, but I'm just now starting to realize how in-depth roleplaying can really get.

I wonder how many others don't realize all those "accepted" terms, aren't really right at all.

Summer reg

But, I realize and recognize that we may never convince the general Elanthian populace that certain acronyms and abbreviations simply make no sense in a "thought" sentence. CB (a communications device IRL), BO (aforementioned), MB (motherboard, maybe), TTM (who the heck knows?), and other silly acronyms would never be spoken IRL, so why think them on the net?

Oh well, that's my silver's worth....I'm done.

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Keeper of the Zoo reg

I think what makes it most difficult is to new players, everybody they see is more experienced and wiser about the ways of the game than they are, and are therefore influenced by everyone. By comparison, we veterans have been around long enough to know that if Witcheaven thinks "***Selling*** mithril sword MB 5k CB ? BO 10K TTM!!!" that we should probably alert GMs to a hacked account. When JoeNobody does the same thing, we know the guy either doesn't have a clue or hasn't fully discovered roleplaying - in any event, we aren't influenced by his behavior.

This situation perpetuates the use of acronyms. For my own part, it doesn't take any arguments about contemporary military or what is pronouncable. The fact that the acronyms take less effort, are entirely absent in medieval fantasy literature, and have no positive effect on the roleplaying environment is reason enough to avoid their use. But then, I do think of myself as an individual willing to do a little bit more than what is merely required...

So take a moment to explain to a new player that doing the minimum will keep you from getting warnings, but doing something extra is how your character becomes famous and respected for whatever personality they portray. reg

I mean, come on, who else are people going to think to? What are they thinking, "Oh look, Bob is selling a broadsword. I better think to Sam and ask him about it."?

The problem is that Simu let things slide too far out of hand. There is no longer a fantasy world of Elanthia where people roleplay the lives of adventurers, but rather a fantasy-like setting where people
can roleplay if they like.

I'd say a lot more but it would just sound like an insane diatribe, and everyone already thinks I'm a bitter old hag as is...

~ Robin
(Much happier roleplaying in a strict roleplay enforced world then in a ghetto in powergameland.) reg

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I mean, come on, who else are people going to think to? What are they thinking, "Oh look, Bob is selling a broadsword. I better think to Sam and ask him about it."?

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I think you're missing the point. Someone saying 'TTM/Think To Me' wants the bids/interest on the item sent directly TO him, not broadcast publically on the amunet. It helps to cut down on the background noise and confusion a lot. reg

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I'd say a lot more but it would just sound like an insane diatribe, and
everyone already thinks I'm a bitter old hag as is...

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No no no.. I'm the bitter old hag here and I got logs to prove it! reg

Rusval
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I also don't think we should be typing "tee tee em." No one types that sort of them when referring to an acronym. You type the letters. People know how to pronounce it. At least most people do.

I'm also not a big fan of enforcing too much on the black net. I don't think people should be grossly OOC (talking about non-GS things like football/computers/etc), but I really don't mind seeing AS/DS/breakage numbers/etc there.

Just my opinion. reg

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I don't see a problem with TTM. It's an abbreviation, not chat room speak.

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Welps, NOI.. right there sums up the enigma known as role-play in Gemstone.

If you put yourself in a like-wise situation in real life -- closest thing we've got to the "TTM" would be asking someone to call you on the phone. Would you say, "CM"..or "cee emm" in real life? Or would you say, "call me"?

Granted, the off-line world has bunches of abbreviations..FBI, CIA, ATM.. and now the well known NOI ::cackles:: But, I can think of very few, actually I can't think of any, situations we face in GS (lord another abbreviation) where, faced with similar sayings off-line, we'd use the abbreviation. I'm pretty sure that when we all go visit a departed loved one, we don't say.. "I'm going to stop by the GY on my way home." (Actually, for us wimminfolk, that's got a whole 'nother meaning ::pales::)

I'm of the opinion that good solid on-line role-play not only means to develope and stay In Character, but that it's particularly important in our text-based world, that what we type comes out as "speech" and not on-line computerese.

In our painted rooms and areas, are abbreviations used? I'd sure hate to go into the bank in the Landing and see... Also there: A, GOT, SGW (arch, grumpy old teller, stained glassed window) All of the rooms are painstakenly written out - this is a 'rich texted-based world', no? Then why shouldn't our speech in this text-based world be just as rich?

Those of us that really do feel that the use of abbreviations is sloppy role-play have moved on to other games that treat computer gaming as it were still table-top, ie., the role-play - including speech - is paramount. reg

i dont know about you, but i would have trouble bidding on anything if the above mess of words were scrolling by my screen as fast as the thought net does. Especially since i usually keep the thought window about 1/4 ro 1/3 the size of my main window.

there is a big diference between something that is OOC and something you don't like.

scripted is ooc
altered can be ooc (usage dependant)
MB is not ooc
CB is not ooc
good breakage is not ooc
95/200 breakage is ooc
broadsword based is not ooc
5x is not ooc
+25 is ooc
ttm is not ooc
75K is not ooc

that about sums it up i think.

'lood reg

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Your makin too big a deal of this siara and your forcing yer role playin methods onto
other.Yawn, Gemstone wasnt developed so we could have cookie cutter
roleplayers<<grin>> but to have a diverse population of people to interact and enjoy
the gamin experience. Something as petty as forcing people to spell out TTM makes
gemstone unnappealin to me, gemstone'd be borin if we had everyone roleplayin
properly, you need fine folks such as my self to insult ya and you try to defend ya
honor, and i killya without a sweat grin, in a abvreviated form of course.
Basically their just trying to force roleplay on everyone which i guarantee wont work

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Umm. I'm not forcing my style of role-play on anyone. I'm not a GM. I'm not the owner. I even said, this was *my* opinion.

Nor am I one of those that continually post complaints that the GMs need to do something about forcing people to role-play.

If I bought and drive around a VW, I'm not going to continually complain to it's makers that it needs to be a pick-up truck. I'll go get a pick-up.

Same with GS. I know the..er.. level of role-play in this game. I'm not going to complain to the GMs to bring it to the level *I* expect. I'll go elsewhere and find what fits my particular needs.

There's a huge differece in stating one's opinion on something - and forcing someone to do something. I gather, Rusval, you have trouble seeing the difference?

You are right, Kelood and well put. There too is a difference between OOC and something you just plain don't like. And as 'lood pointed out, TTM isn't necessarily OOC, I just don't like it and consider it lazy. Note the word "I". reg

If you don't, there are places for that as well.

I personally just like to do my own thing. I roleplay a lot, but sometimes I just don't feel like talking to anyone.

I really don't see a problem in acronyms like TTM. They're Elanthian acronyms. And there's no real equivalent to the amulet in real life, so it's tough to say that we wouldn't say something like that.

reg

Well put Kelood and NIO.

Let's make our OWN unique world. With our OWN unique SLANG.

I come here to get away from the RL world.

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If you want serious roleplay, there are places to find that in GS.

If you don't, there are places for that as well.

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Yup. I totally agree with that. Which is why I'm not one to rant and rave to the Powers That Be that GS needs to be 'more'. It fills the needs fine being just as it is.. a game that you CAN role-play in and not a strick role-playing game. Works for me.

I just have a different definition of 'serious role-play'. There are people that you can role-play with in GS. There are many that stick to being in character. But, mixed with the many that don't role-play or see GS as basically a FFRPG, that's not my idea of 'serious role-play'.

We all have to do whats best for ourselves and what we enjoy. reg

Okay, on a more serious point, i just said, "Jesus Chris, people stop arguing, there is nothing wrong with abriviations..."

But seriously now, TTM, I type it cause it makes my message shorter, i hate when some one says this on the net:

I have for sale a mirror bladed battle sword, it swings almost like a broadsword, it has five times the magical enchant of mithril, it is specially sharpened to inflict great wounds, and specially forged to prevent shattering. Bidding starts at fifty thousand silvers, the current bid is one hundred and seventy-five silvers to kelood. Please focus your thoughts on me if you wish to bid or would like a better description of the blade.

When they could have said this and still made perfect sense:

For sale, a mirror bladed battle sword, broad based, 8x, crit weighted, good breakage. MB:50K CB:175K - Kellod. TTM for more info.

Now, were talking about he black net here, they made us start selling there so that we wouldnt interupt normal thoughts, this is a place known to go a lil bit OOC because when you sell an item, telling about the items stats is a BIG part of youre sales pitch...how often do you hear the terms, CB, MB, 5x, blah blah blah heard on the regular net, not very often...so if you dont wanna hear it, stay on that net, if you wanna buy something, pull youre amuelet. <g>

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Originally posted by Rusval:
Gemstone wasnt developed so we could have cookie cutter roleplayers<<grin>> but to have a diverse population of people to interact and enjoy the gamin experience.

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Yeah riiiight. Talk to NOphion about that point.
With all the changes in the name of "balance", cookie-cutter characters are all we're going to be able to produce anymore.

Des

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Originally posted by Desmonique:
Yeah riiiight. Talk to NOphion about that point.
With all the changes in the name of "balance", cookie-cutter characters are all we're going to be able to produce anymore.

Des

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But read the old guides. You can be a roll-player or a role-player?

Let's all roleplay together.

Hold hands...cumbaya my lord (Sp?) cumbaya!

Thanks.

(Completely sarcastical post)
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Originally posted by Desmonique:
Yeah riiiight. Talk to NOphion about that point.
With all the changes in the name of "balance", cookie-cutter characters are all we're going to be able to produce anymore.

Des

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I don't believe so. My two most-played characters are mutants. I will guarantee you that there is not one single person in Gemstone who has created a character that trains the way either of these two do, as either of their professions. I'm not talking about 1 or 2 differently placed TPs a level, I'm talking about the approach to character design.

And you know what else? One is considered wildly effective, the other dies less often than over 95% of their profession.

Viva la mutants! reg

It is a hack-n-slash that allows roleplay. Anyone who thinks they're paying for anything different is dreaming.

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Originally posted by NoOneImportant:
If you want serious roleplay, there are places to find that in GS.

If you don't, there are places for that as well.

I personally just like to do my own thing. I roleplay a lot, but sometimes I just don't feel like talking to anyone.

I really don't see a problem in acronyms like TTM. They're Elanthian acronyms. And there's no real equivalent to the amulet in real life, so it's tough to say that we wouldn't say something like that.

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Originally posted by Desharei:
There's the rub NOI. No one should *EVER* have to look for roleplaying in a roleplaying game. This has been my bane of contention all along. If you have to look among hundreds of players to find roleplay, then it isn't a roleplaying game and shouldn't be advertised as such.

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It is a GAME. It will obviously NEVER be a roleplaying game up to your standards. That sort of game doesn't make money.

If you want to dwell on this for years to come, so be it. That's your business.

I pay to play the game. I have fun, I do my own thing, I don't cause trouble, I'm happy. Then again, I am easy to please. I am not the type to bitch and complain because everyone else isn't playing the way I want them to play.

[This message has been edited by NoOneImportant (edited 08-22-2001).] reg

If I had the "juice" that you apparently have, I'd probably be pretty darn happy too!

Summer

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"No Shame In My Game" reg

You don't ban the owners gf or whatever you are. So you got that dreaded thing you say you never see....FAVORITISM. All you gotta do is look into the mirror to see it.

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I focus mainly on being with friends in the game, and in the game we stay IC (most of the time) but on AIM or other such we are still just normal people (if you can call me normal).

I have never reported any problems with other players to the GMs and I deal with all my IC problems as just that - in character. If I throw a spat with a friend in the game, I joke with them about it through AIM to let them know its not personal.

I lost two very good friends of mine during the beginning of my most recent stay at Hotel GemStone due to them taking things in game too seriously. I missed them at first, but since they refuse to have anything to do with me, why should I worry about it? I don't. And yes, some people will be able to tell you of the horrid person I once was in the lands.

I changed. If I can change for the game, then so can others. Yes, it will suck at first, but you will get used to it... as long as you have the intestinal fortitude to play through it.

Looking at all situations from an IC manner is a great way to get past changes to the system. Think of it as this... Neither you, nor me, can change the will of the gods. From an IC perspective, the gods (this case being the GMs) will not think much of only a few people protesting their choices. To change a gods mind, it would take nearly everyone in the land being disgruntled. Which is not the case, most people in the lands are satisfied.

All changes made to the game itself are easy to get past. But, there will always be people who do not wish to put up with the changes, so the crowd will always keep changing, keeping the game from becoming stagnant. I like change, though I do not like the way some of them are made, and I have yet to find enough of a change to make me leave the game for good.

I pray thee people, take a step back and look at the whole pie instead of a few pieces that you do not like.

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[This message has been edited by Caels (edited 08-22-2001).] reg

No, my bane of contention, which I will continue to dwell on until Simutronics changes their advertising, is that it doesn't live up to ANY standards of roleplaying. Not mine, not any other roleplayer of any quality whatsoever.

Part-time roleplaying in a roleplaying game isn't roleplaying. Roleplaying only when a GM's NPC is around isn't roleplaying. Hiding so you can script-rest while you go to the mall isn't roleplaying. Abusing system mechanics and exploiting known bugs isn't roleplaying. What standards of roleplaying do these violate? I'll tell you. They violate ALL standards of roleplaying. Not just mine.

Simu should just bite the bullet and stop calling themselves a roleplaying game. They are a hack-n-slash that allows roleplaying. And yeah I said it before, and I've said it dozens of times before, and I'll probably say it dozens of times again. Afterall, I paid for the privilege during the time I played GS. Paid in advance to gripe about it, and so I will gripe.

Roberta
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What is roleplaying exactly?
Final Fantasy 1-9 are considered roleplaying games. So is the Dragon Warrior series, Baldurs Gate, and some even consider Diablo roleplaying games.

Roleplaying games are just a genre, similiar to simulations, only based on personal characters("your a unique or semi-unique character"), more dialogue("talking"), and character growth and advancement options ("leveling").

Any game fitting into those categories has every right to label itself a roleplaying game.

Now, you may mean roleplaying as in D&D pen and paper type roleplaying. The "look at me im polishing my broadsword" type roleplaying.

Well, surprisingly enough, some people just like to roll the dice and see who beats the other person. Are we going to go out and call the role playing police on wizards of the coast , and tell them they can't say that D&D is a roleplaying game? I certainly wouldnt waste my time.

Yeah, maybe gemstone should go strictly RP, [sarcasm]that business model seemed to work well with inferno[/sarcasm]

Besides, maybe some people don't want RP handed to them on a silver platter, then force fed to them continously till they swallow it all or choke trying.

I enjoy the fact that i can log on for 30 minutes and power hunt a full mind and then log off for the night. Somedays i don't feel like talking to every third person i meet, somedays i don't feel like talking to anybody. And yet some days i don't feel like hunting at all, and sit being clear as a bell and not caring a bit that i'm "wasting" valuable absorbtion time. I might in three days when i only have 3K till the next level and i can't keep my eyes open for another hour and a half, but thats a different matter entirely.

The point to all this is, to say that gemstone shouldn't call itself a roleplaying game because it doesn't live up to some fairy tale utopia RP flower and sunshine world is absurd. Put frankly.

Maybe if people quit complaining about the lack of RP in gemstone and went in and did something about it in game, we wouldn't have these "problems" as people like to label the current state as.

The best way, as always, is to get em young, while there still impressionable, before they get into some bad influences.

And i don't mean calling someone a fool and binding them, or report "soandso is OOC wah wah"

Explain, understand, teach.

'lood reg

I rolled up a zone account character. Walked into the game, where you start out in the OOC area (mentor society I consider an OOC area because it's really helpful for the mentors to explain mechanics to newcomers if they need it). All was well and good, had some fun at Siara's expense (how is it that a human THAT old can wave without her hand falling off?).

Then I wandered around. Actually ran into a couple of people who were just sitting together, RPing a pleasant and generally unimportant scene of their daily lives. Enjoyed that for a short time, and moved on. Ran into Mystra, on the public roads, in front of other people, who said "Hi (whatever my name was, can't remember now)." Well I figured, I'll try and RP this situation, because my character had never met Mystra and had no idea who she was.

So I asked her how she knew my name. She said...

I READ IT.

I looked around my shoulder, muttering about how my brother was such a dope for pinning a sign on my back, and the RP went totally over her head.

I tried to lead by example. But when the MENTOR doesn't have a clue, what more can you do?

::shrugs::
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You know i know about your time in the zone, and it wasn't like you were putting much effort into getting back into the game.

You used that as a nice excuse to just walk away from the whole situation and declare victory for yourself and inferno.

'lood reg

Could it be that you are harboring some secret fantasy to actually play it, but are mad because you don't have what it takes?

(This spanking was brought to you by Bertsie. All rights reserved.)
reg

The fact is you would rather go to inferno then spend 10 minutes trying to better the game you were in. Thats fine, that is your choice. Perfectly legit one. Just don't try to say that gemstone can't call itself a roleplaying game because it doesn't cater to your lobster on a silver platter tastes...

Oh, you don't want people like me in inferno, as much as you cater to the power hunting scripter through your promo adds, all it would take is a few to break your egg shell foundation. Yes, you still don't believe me. Your lucky im not hatefull

'lood
"clever girl..." -- Jaurasic Park reg

I would respond with some sly retort, but Mama always told me never to engage in a battle of wits with an unarmed opponent.

Hogs and quiches darlin.
reg

'lood
or outa ammo themselves

reg

Its all smooches and huggies with me and bertie-poo.

'lood
ok, not ALL, i did have to slap her a couple of times, but i assure you, she deserved it... reg

What you just saw displayed between the Lewdster and myself is what we old hags call roleplaying.

Get it? Pretending something for the dramatic effect! WHEEEEEE!

And by the by, I would've slapped him around but he likes that sort of thing, and so NOT giving it to him is the punishment he really deserves.

reg

<mutters>

Yeah, well, stay on topic! Whew, glad I took care of all that....

Summer

[This message has been edited by Summerlyn (edited 08-22-2001).] reg

Knowing GMs and the CEO comes from going to lots of conventions.

If I did something against policy, I would get in trouble. I can't go around cussing at people or killing people just because I happen to know a couple GMs and the CEO. I don't have lots of alterations, I don't have awesome gear, I don't have constant RPAs. My character is wearing mostly stock stuff, a few alterations from the Dhu and my best weapon is 5x. And my highest level character is not even 50 yet. I've never had a part of ANY sort in ANY quest/event. I can count the number of RPAs I've received on one hand.

So you can say "favoritism" all you want. If I'm supposed to have some in game benefits from knowing these people, I'm really not seeing it. And I'm also not willing to go out and get in trouble to test this whole theory that they would be more lenient on me. I prefer to keep my record as clean as possible.

And Roberta, you've made it perfectly clear that GS is not up to your RP standards in posts here and on the official boards. Last time you "came back" with Bestatte you made no qualms about posting about how great Inferno is and how GS is lacking in all departments. My statement is that it will never be up to your standards. I still stick by it.

I am not as witty or intelligent as you are. I won't pretend to be. That's simply my opinion which I believe I am entitled to. reg

Gads, I don't see where anyone suggested that you receive game perks, or great gear because you are tight with the CEO. I stated that because of your friendships with the CEO and GMs "if you made a mistake, would they throw the book at you... or would they consider you the player, and your character, and go a little easier on you?"

I wasn't referring to blatantly breaking policies. I was talking about a simple mistake...those grey areas, where a GM has to make a decision as to a character's "intent".

Let me offer an example. Once I happened to be racing the vehicle in the lane next to me. An officer pulled both of us over. As the officer asked for my driver's license, I glanced at my own shiny little badge. The officer chuckled and asked me what the top speed was in my little race. I told him 75 mph (on a surface street... I know, stupid, stupid, stupid). The officer told me to behave, and said he was going to cite the other driver for going 75 mph in a 40 mph zone.

Was this wrong?... darn tooting! Was it favoritism?... yep! Does it happen? ... all the time, in all kinds of situations, in all forms of professions!

If you're unable to admit that you might be given a little more consideration because of the conventions you attend, and the friendships you develop there, then I question if you are looking at this issue honestly, or just being a tad defensive.

Just a "peon's" opinion (who has abandoned all hope of EVER staying on topic!).

Summer

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"No Shame In My Game"

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[This message has been edited by Summerlyn (edited 08-23-2001).] reg

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quote:

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I tried to lead by example. But when the MENTOR doesn't have a clue, what more
can you do?

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Some very common questions we as Mentors get, are the real basic "how do you <whatever>?"
The problem with your example, Deshdear, was that Mystra took your question as one of those we usually get, "how did you know my name?". She understood it to mean, "how did you see me come in here?" or "how did you know I was here?" Beleive me, we get those types of questions a lot. Things scroll by the newcomer so fast that they don't READ everything when they first enter the game.

You would have been better off saying something along the lines of.."I don't think I told you my name, I'm <whoever> and you are?" I can guarantee that Mystra would then have 'caught on' and introduced herself.

What you got was a Mentor that was thinking she was helping a newcomer with the mechanics of the medium.

(You left before you could see me pant, perspire and wheeze from the effort of trying to lift my 100+ year old arm ::cackles::) reg