Redux in the rift...

05:43 PMNot unbalanced? Would have hurt me in guarded stance as a mage......

A Vvrael warlock swings a midnight black longsword at you!
AS: +681 vs DS: +357 with AvD: +35 + d100 roll: +40 = +399
... and hits for 6 points of damage!
Quick slash to your upper left arm!
Just a nick.
The guiding force leaves a Vvrael warlock.

edge

Heavy damage padded metal breastplate...reduces the damage by 10.....

[This message has been edited by edge (edited 03-26-2001).] reg

01:48 PMif you can't beat em, join em reg

07:06 PMYour playing a one sided game. You show what warriors can take. What about what they can't take. That you most likely can? Let me go into a few well known details. Most, not all, but most warriors dont have spells. The ones that do usually dont have many. My lvl 98 warrior has no spells. He does however have 102 in mana share and some nice scroll reading abilities. He has to send mana to ask for a full spell up from a sorcerer every hunt. What happens when he is there with no one to spell him up? And that doesnt even protect him as much as he needs. Sure he can take hits from swords.. But what about spells? And what about what he can hunt? My warrior has to hunt lunatics. The only thing he can kill on plane one. guess how many lunatics there are? And anyone hunting on one hunts them. So its not like the witches or warlocks that are for swingers.. Spells kill em just fine.

You swing a scorched black rolaren machete at a csetairi!
AS: +483 vs DS: +610 with AvD: +37 + d100 roll: +8 = -82
A clean miss.
Black rolaren machete clashes with green-black scimitar!
[STR/DU: 95/225 vs. 60/150, d100(Open)= 7]
Roundtime: 6 sec.

A csetairi points two of her four hands at you!
CS: +471 - TD: +407 + CvA: -21 + d100: +93 - +5 == +131
Warding failed!
You feel a sudden inexplicable fear!
You blindly run east!

Can be warded sometimes.. but my sorcerer never gets hit with it.

We take void hits just as you do..
causes a large gaping hole!
The raving lunatic crumples to the ground motionless.
Air slams into you!
... 35 points of damage!
Hard blow to your temple scrambles brain!
Your SIGN OF STRIKING is no longer effective.
Your SIGN OF SMITING is no longer effective.
Your SIGN OF SWORDS is no longer effective.
Your SIGN OF WARDING is no longer effective.
Your SIGN OF DEFENDING is no longer effective.
Your SIGN OF SHIELDS is no longer effective.
The light blue glow leaves you.
The powerful look leaves you.
The deep blue glow leaves you.
The very powerful look leaves you.
The white light leaves you.
The silvery luminescence fades from around you.
The bright luminescence fades from around you.
The brilliant luminescence fades from around you.
The wall of force disappears from around you.
You lose your extra internal fortitude.
You notice your blood flow go back to normal.
The misty halo fades from you.

( Notice the full sorcerer spell up?)

Think about him hunting without the nice people to spell him up. All those critter spells would slice him open.

Look at this..

A csetairi points two of her four hands at you!
CS: +465 - TD: +367 + CvA: -21 + d100: +69 - +5 == +141
Warding failed!
Your connection to the spirit realm falters!
The wall of force disappears from around you.
The deep blue glow leaves you.
The powerful look leaves you.
The very powerful look leaves you.
The white light leaves you.
The light blue glow leaves you.

Aint that fun?

A csetairi points two of her four hands at you!
Strands of webbing shoot forth towards you.
CS: +417 - TD: +307 + CvA: -21 + d100: +63 - +5 == +147
Warding failed!
You avoid a little of the webbing.
>
A csetairi swings a razor-sharp green-black scimitar at you!
AS: +522 vs DS: +137 with AvD: +12 + d100 roll: +42 = +439
... and hits for 10 points of damage!
Glancing blow to your back.
That could have been worse.
Green-black scimitar clashes with steel full plate!
[STR/DU: 60/150 vs. 99/660, d100(Open)= 35]

The csetairi twists and attacks again!
A csetairi lashes out at you with her massive tail!
AS: +561 vs DS: +137 with AvD: +32 + d100 roll: +44 = +500
... and hits for 7 points of damage!
Try thumb wrestling.
The csetairi twists and attacks again!
A csetairi lashes out at you with her massive tail!
AS: +561 vs DS: +49 with AvD: +32 + d100 roll: +92 = +636
... and hits for 10 points of damage!
Unconvincing strike.
>

I get to stand here and get pummled a while.

Check this out after a moderate hunt. Not my best and not my worst.

You have moderate bleeding from your neck, a fractured and bleeding right arm, a fractured and bleeding left arm, a fractured and bleeding right leg, a fractured and bleeding left leg, some minor cuts and bruises on your left hand, minor cuts and bruises on your chest, deep lacerations across your abdominal area, and a bruised right eye.
You have a mangled left arm, and a mangled left hand.

Bleeding:
Area Health per Round
----------------------------------
Neck 4
Left arm 1
Right arm 3
Left leg 2
Abdomen 8
Right leg 2

Maximum Health Points: 235
Remaining Health Points: 133
You are feeling light headed.

Maximum Spirit Points: 8
Remaining Spirit Points: 5

(the low spirit is from sign of healing .. I was down under 50 health twice.)

Thats from all those little hits for 7 and 8 damage. They hit the same place over and over making what can become huge bleeders.

Now a sorcerer.. he hunts in guarded. Most of those swings never would have hit em. None of the spells would have from my experience as a sorcerer. (Yeah I got more than just the warrior.. I have alot of characters. Go figure)
Anyways just tring to give the other side of the story.. sure we can take those sword hits without being critted or losing 100 health.. But we can fall. We do fall. Voids can kill us pretty easy, critters can kill us with spells and by nicking us with those 10 point hits while we are stunned or webbed.. being stunned is not uncommon with voids around. 235 health max usually get hit a few times before a situation gets ugly. So 180-200 blood. Taking hits from 5-20 points a piece.. How many hits can we survive? Not too many. And just in case yer wondering, I was using 4x gear all around. Have somewhere around 77% redux as far as I can tell from formulas I have seen. Unless I calculated wrong.

[This message has been edited by AestheticDeath (edited 03-27-2001).] reg

10:40 PMMy 119 rogue has 72% redux. With the heavy crit padded metal breastplate never takes a stun. I take 1 point of damage from all attacks on one. 1 point of damage from 2. Except spells.

now we talk about the plane I hunt. Warlocks have a 30% chnace of warding me if I give them the chance. But I walk in sweep\tackle them. If they manage to prep a spell I go on. Wow, no chance of being hit by that spell. See where I am going? Birds use to stun me until GP. Not no stun ever. Unless I have 7 spirit and no signs. Then a 1rd stun.

You know what a 1rd stun meant before GP with birds? No, you don't. They would hit you 6+ times before you rolled out of it. That is in 1rd. Now they barely swing, and no 1 rd stuns.

When I go to 4, with the claid swinging lost souls I will post it.

But until then. I can walk around in off stance with no worries of being killed. At all. I have gotten killed once on 3 by a void. All other times, I used stun amnuevers to move out of range. Because I mastered it.

Until then. Redux is WAY overpowered. This is from a redux user.

In fact, I will post my hunting I am about to go on after this post. you be the judge of it.

edge reg

11:08 PMAestheticDeath is using 4x gear all around. Edge you are using heavy crit padded breastplate. Not everyone is rich enough to buy the nice gear you can

You cant really judge game balance by god auction items or if not that it is super nice gear you have. Im jealous out my ears. reg

07:32 PMUnless you are spending all your cash on clothes, alters or whatever, you should be able afford some descent gear by 100. Get a Fel-hafter. Get some FGB. Get a 7x shield. ^ mil or so for it all? You can afford that.

G reg

08:45 PMAll my coins have gone to my sorcerers or younger characters. My warrior never needed more than 4x gear. Sure it would be easier with alot of the more expensive stuff.. But if it works don't fix it.
I am, however, a little skeptical about you taking only one point of damage on all those hits with crit padded armor. Either your DS is high enough that getting hit wouldn't matter or your redux is higher than 72%.. Of course with a lvl 119 character.. I would hope you survive planes 1 and 2 that easily. And warlocks are on plane 3.. not one. reg

09:56 PM"I am, however, a little skeptical about you taking only one point of damage on all those hits with crit padded armor."

If you re-read his original post, he said the armor he was wearing was heavily damage padded, not crit. reg

11:17 PMYes, I saw that in his first post. I figured he switches between armors. Guess not. Either way with the damage padding that takes 10 damage That would mean you never take more than 11 damage? which means you still have a fairly high DS right? All I am trying to say is that just because we have redux, it doesn't make it a cake walk. Redux may be too powerful. I dont personally believe it is. Where would we be without it? Have you thought about that? Look at the spell rogues with no redux.. Ick. They can't take hits either. Without redux everyone would be like the spell rogues.. A guy with a limited amount of spells but a high swinging AS. Couldn't actually hunt with his spells, they would just be a supliment to his sword arm. And if they modified redux so it wasnt as powerful, where would we be? I dont know.. Maybe it wouldnt be all that bad. We would definatly have a harder time hunting though. Personally I think if armor training actually yielded a bonus to DS we would have alot of problems solved. And redux would almost not be needed if they did it right. reg

11:49 PMI don't use ANY crit padded armor for my rogue. Only damage padded or no padding. My point is. I don't get stunned at all. I can walk around in off stance. I am not maxed out in shield or CM. In fact. I got pretty crappy redux for being 120. Only got like 72 to 78%. That is why I use the damage padded armor. So in fact. I am nothing special. In fact only a 5x shield.

Should see the other redux people with the full plate vs my metal beastplate. I tried to post my hunting trip. Going to edit it which i don't like. Will be the next post. reg

06:28 PM[The Rift]
stance off
A beached ship lies in the middle of the field here, no clues or explanation as to how it arrived. The once shiny maoral wood has dulled now with age, and the ship's ribs and masts have split and fallen. The only passengers of the vessel are the rats, which number in the thousands. It's almost as if the boat itself writhes with their movements. High above, on the one remaining mast, flies a flag bearing a rat skull and crossbones. You also see a Vvrael warlock and the Jestine disk.
Obvious paths: east, west.
>sweep w
You are now in an offensive stance.
You crouch, sweep a leg at a Vvrael warlock and connect!
MS: +486 - MD: +372 + MAvA: 0 + d100: +55 == +169
Success!
A Vvrael warlock falls to the ground! You deftly regain your footing.

Roundtime: 5 sec.
>ambush war head
You swing a gold-pommeled black glaes falchion at a Vvrael warlock!
AS: +552 vs DS: +414 with AvD: +35 + d100 roll: +33 = +206
... and hit for 78 points of damage!
Horrible slash to the Vvrael warlock's head! Brain matter goes flying!
Looks like it never felt a thing.
The Vvrael warlock writhes in black agony and dies.
The wall of force disappears from around a Vvrael warlock.
The tingling sensation and sense of security leaves a Vvrael warlock.
The bright luminescence fades from around a Vvrael warlock.
The light blue glow leaves a Vvrael warlock.
The deep blue glow leaves a Vvrael warlock.
Roundtime: 5 sec.
>
An aivren soars in.
>
A Vvrael warlock strides in!
>stance def
>
You are now in a defensive stance.
>search war
>
An aivren swoops down from high overhead!
An aivren tries to bite you!
AS: +526 vs DS: +886 with AvD: +25 + d100 roll: +63 = -272
A clean miss.
>
You search the Vvrael warlock.
You discard the warlock's useless equipment.
It didn't carry any silver.
It had a metallic black pearl on it!
It had nothing else of value.
Black tendrils of anti-mana seep from a Vvrael warlock's corpse, consuming it.
>stance off
sweep w
You are now in an offensive stance.
> * Teeoncy just bit the dust!
>
You do not feel drained anymore.
A Vvrael warlock swings a midnight black longsword at you!
AS: +561 vs DS: +327 with AvD: +35 + d100 roll: +22 = +291
... and hits for 4 points of damage!
Quick slash catches your cheek!
Dimples are always nice.
>
You crouch, sweep a leg at a Vvrael warlock and connect!
MS: +486 - MD: +348 + MAvA: 0 + d100: +58 == +196
Success!
A Vvrael warlock falls to the ground! You deftly regain your footing.

Roundtime: 5 sec.
>
An aivren rakes at you with a razor-sharp claw!
AS: +571 vs DS: +327 with AvD: +25 + d100 roll: +89 = +358
... and hits for 3 points of damage!
Broken finger on your left hand!
An aivren tries to spear you with its massive beak!
AS: +529 vs DS: +327 with AvD: +31 + d100 roll: +49 = +282
... and hits for 8 points of damage!
Minor puncture to the chest.
>mstrike
>
You concentrate intently, focusing all your energies.
With instinctive motions, you weave to and fro striking with deliberate and unrelenting fury!
You swing a gold-pommeled black glaes falchion at a Vvrael warlock!
AS: +552 vs DS: +440 with AvD: +35 + d100 roll: +45 = +192
... and hit for 46 points of damage!
Blast to hand sends fingers flying in several different directions.
The Vvrael warlock screams in agony as his right hand falls to the ground! A viscous black liquid sprays out from the open wound!

The warlock's black longsword falls to the ground.
The Vvrael warlock is stunned!
You swing a gold-pommeled black glaes falchion at an aivren!
AS: +552 vs DS: +398 with AvD: +34 + d100 roll: +88 = +276
... and hit for 102 points of damage!
Left hip pulped, severing the leg.
The aivren screeches loudly as it crashes to the ground and cradles its mangled left leg.
The aivren is stunned!

Your flurry of strikes leaves you off-balance and out of position.
Roundtime: 5 sec.
>
A n'ecare pads in silently!
>
mstrike

...wait 1 seconds.
>mstrike

You concentrate intently, focusing all your energies.
With instinctive motions, you weave to and fro striking with deliberate and unrelenting fury!
You hack away but the undead is immune to that form of attack!
You swing a gold-pommeled black glaes falchion at a Vvrael warlock!
AS: +552 vs DS: +440 with AvD: +35 + d100 roll: +84 = +231
... and hit for 89 points of damage!
Awesome slash severs the Vvrael warlock's left arm!
A jagged stump is all that remains!
The Vvrael warlock screams in agony as his left arm falls to the ground! A viscous black liquid sprays out from the open wound, covering you with caustic acid!
... 30 points of damage!
Spray of acid reduces the forearm to gelatin.
You are stunned for 8 rounds!
The warlock's black tower shield falls to the ground.

Your flurry of strikes leaves you off-balance and out of position.
Roundtime: 5 sec.
>A n'ecare drops his curved falchion and snatches up a midnight black longsword!
>
A Vvrael warlock shakes with black rage, shaking off the forces controlling him!
>
A n'ecare drops his wooden buckler and snatches up a midnight black tower shield!
>
A Vvrael warlock leaps to his feet!
>stun move w
You urge your rigid legs to move, but you sense you haven't a prayer.

Round time: 7 sec.
>
stun move w

...wait 5 seconds.
>stun move w

...wait 5 seconds.
stun move w

>...wait 4 seconds.
stun move w

>stun move w

...wait 4 seconds.
>...wait 3 seconds.
A n'ecare swings a midnight black longsword at you!
AS: +544 vs DS: +245 with AvD: +35 + d100 roll: +30 = +364
... and hits for 7 points of damage!
Strike pierces upper arm!
stun move w

>...wait 3 seconds.
>
stun move w

>...wait 2 seconds.
>
stun move w

>stun move w

...wait 2 seconds.
>stun move w

...wait 1 seconds.
A Vvrael warlock tries to bite you!
AS: +418 vs DS: +245 with AvD: +25 + d100 roll: +27 = +225
... and hits for 1 point of damage!
Poked in the tummy.
Hehehe.
stun move w

>...wait 1 seconds.
>
stun move w

...wait 1 seconds.
>stun move w

>You urge your rigid legs to move, but you sense you haven't a prayer.

Round time: 7 sec.
>
stun move w

...wait 7 seconds.
>...wait 7 seconds.
>
stun move w

A n'ecare swings a midnight black longsword at you!
AS: +544 vs DS: +245 with AvD: +35 + d100 roll: +23 = +357
... and hits for 3 points of damage!
Broken finger on your right hand!
>stun move w

...wait 4 seconds.
>...wait 4 seconds.
>
stun move w

>stun move w

...wait 3 seconds.
>stun move w

...wait 2 seconds.
A Vvrael warlock pauses a moment as his eyes swim black with anti-mana.
>...wait 2 seconds.
>
stun move w

>...wait 2 seconds.
>
stun move w

>stun move w

...wait 1 seconds.
>stun move w

...wait 1 seconds.
stun move w

>You urge your rigid legs to move, but you sense you haven't a prayer.

Round time: 7 sec.
>
...wait 7 seconds.
stun move w

>...wait 6 seconds.
>
stun move w

>stun move w

...wait 5 seconds.
A n'ecare swings a midnight black longsword at you!
AS: +544 vs DS: +245 with AvD: +35 + d100 roll: +66 = +400
... and hits for 11 points of damage!
Hesitant slash to your upper right arm!
Just a scratch.
...wait 5 seconds.
stun move w

>...wait 5 seconds.
>
stun move w

>...wait 4 seconds.
>
stun move w

...wait 3 seconds.
stun move w

>...wait 3 seconds.
>
stun move w

>stun move w

...wait 2 seconds.
>stun move w

...wait 2 seconds.
>...wait 2 seconds.
>
stun move w

>...wait 1 seconds.
stun move w

>stun move w

...wait 1 seconds.
>...wait 1 seconds.
>
stun move w

>stun move w

>You urge your rigid legs to move, but you sense you haven't a prayer.

Round time: 7 sec.
>
...wait 7 seconds.
>
A n'ecare swings a midnight black longsword at you!
AS: +544 vs DS: +245 with AvD: +35 + d100 roll: +91 = +425
... and hits for 12 points of damage!
Hesitant slash to your upper right arm!
Just a scratch.
>
stun move w

A Vvrael warlock pauses a moment as his eyes swim black with anti-mana.
stun move w

>...wait 4 seconds.
>
stun move w

...wait 4 seconds.
>stun move w

...wait 3 seconds.
>stun move w

>...wait 3 seconds.
>
stun move w

...wait 3 seconds.
>stun move w

stun move w

...wait 2 seconds.
...wait 2 seconds.
...wait 2 seconds.
>stance def
stance def
You are still stunned.
stance def
>You are still stunned.
>stance def
You are still stunned.
>stance def
You are still stunned.
A n'ecare swings a midnight black longsword at you!
AS: +544 vs DS: +245 with AvD: +35 + d100 roll: +96 = +430
... and hits for 8 points of damage!
Quick slash to your upper right arm!
Just a nick
stance def
>You are still stunned.
>stance def
You are still stunned.
>stance def
You are still stunned.
>stance def
You are still stunned.
>stance def
You are still stunned.
>stance def
You are still stunned.
>stance def
w
You are still stunned.
>stance def
You are still stunned.
>w
stance def
w

[The Rift]
w
A shoreline stretches before you, the sea dark and thick with salt. Just a small way up the beach, an unusual sight catches your eye. A small child walks the beach, holding hands with a large winged humanoid. One of its reddish wings is wrapped protectively around the child, and her small hand is tightly clutching one of his large fingers. She appears to be talking, although what she is saying is too difficult to understand to any except her unusual companion.
Obvious exits: east, southwest.
You are now in a defensive stance.
>You can't go there.
You are now in a defensive stance.
>
You can't go there.
w
>You can't go there.
>
You can't go there.
>
Your disk arrives, following you dutifully.
>sign of healing
You shudder as your life-force is torn and reshaped!
You feel drained!
>
The air around you crackles with potent energy!

You feel the magic alien to you slipping away...

Just heavy damage padded metal breastplate. Still think it is over powered.

edge
reg

10:23 AMWelp. I am now hunting the rift with 4x metal breastplate(0 padding) and a 0x shield. Since I tempered all of my shields for enchanting. My 121 rogue takes no stuns and yet to die other then a void. I hunt in off stance to sweep things faster.

On plane 4. They took the claids away from the lost souls and gave them Scythes. Only spells can kill me now. With GP warlocks have only a 30% chance of warding me and if I use 430 I have no chance of getting warded by them.

Is redux fair for game balance? Seriously. To make critters powerful enough to kill redux users. They will be able to ward a wizard with ease or swing so hard they will kill a wizard in def stance. All the other classes have better def stance then a wizard or better td spells.

edge reg

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