New Titles

11:22 AMDateline 6/3/2001: TITLE CHANGES

Local political constituents have successfully lobbied for official recognition of new titles for aging adventurers. Adventurers of vast experience may now flaunt their existence with newly accepted titles. These titles become available at advanced levels. "Legendary" adventurers are those with fifty or greater successful trainings. "High Lord" and "High Lady" are bestowed upon those with one hundred or greater successful trainings. Adventurers with one hundred and fifty or greater successful trainings are honored with the title "the Esteemed."

Special consideration will be given to those who have outlived the eldest of creatures. Those that have breached this upper limit will be awarded the title "the Renowned." A handful of advanced adventurers who have far exceeded the upper limit will be designated with the title, "the Venerable."

Access to these titles is manipulated with the TITLE verb. reg

11:26 AMPersonally the only one I would like to use is the legend one. However there are those people in the game that now can look like a legend but they aren't.

I think that they will be a nice tool, but overall I am, when am I not I guess, dissapointed with the change.

Buckwheet reg

01:24 PM::shrugs::

I never even wore my Lord. reg

04:03 PMIt depended on the character for me.

Some of my characters have it on, some don't. It will be nice when I get to use the legend title for some, and I won't use a title at all for others.

I just think that some of the titles are kind of blah. It would be better to stick with legendary then move to High Lord in my opinion.

But everyone is a critic.

Buckwheet reg

04:15 PMI thought the exact same thing!

I prefer the Legendary Lord Kranar to any of the titles, High Lord Kranar just doesn't sound powerful and I was surprised that they allowed such a long title.

- the Legendary Lord Kranar, human Archwizard reg

01:20 AMMy opinion on the matter was that they should change the order they gave them...

20 Lord/Lady
50 High Lord/Lady
100 Esteemed Lord/Lady
150 Legendary Lord/Lady

And drop the entire Venerable thing... that word makes me imagine some ancient husk of a person that can barely breath, let alone move about and adventure.

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Caels Onae'Rae
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"Don't piss off the petty people and you'll prolly get by in life." reg

09:40 AMThats a nuch better layout Caels. I agree that the order is out of wack. I still wouldn't use anything but legendary.

Buckwheet reg

12:07 PMI just started playing again to get a taste of the Elven Nations.

I like the titles. They let me know who has an overinflated ego or not.

I think what you do or don't do makes ya legendary not some artificial sign on yer neck.

I interpret them for my character to mean much different than they appear.

I prefer the quiet unassuming legend that saves the day in deeds instead of the guy who comes in waving a scroll over his head shouting "Hey look at me! I am important!"

I guess it's a typical viewpoint I have and many stories always portray the bad guy as being the one who is the most pompous. Makes ya feel that much better when he is defeated and the real rightous defeats the pompous lord.

-GOD (inside joke) reg

04:28 PMThough I wouldn't put it as abruptly and in-your-face, Aura, I agree.

Anyone who needs to "wear a sign" to prove they are legendary, obviously isn't.

Roberta
reg

04:48 PMI have to disagree with the point made that people wear their title to prove that they are legendary and feel all mighty and superior. Infact I feel that people who dislike the idea of new titles like to feel all mighty and superior just as much as the ones who do like them so it makes no difference one way or the other.

Titles make up image, as does wearing clothing which makes your character look good, as does buying that 10x shield and sword which in all likelyhood you don't even need but you spend the millions of silvers to get it anyway.

It's a goal, and as you continually progess in GS you look for new goals, new things to gain to improve your image, to improve your reputation with other players, and to have darn right fun.

These titles extend that goal. If you never cared about titling then so be it, but for many players in GS titling is a very important and special aspect of the game. These new titles just create an extension to that aspect and give the players who look forward to titling something even more to look forward to.

Am I one of those players? Indeed I am. I like the new titles, and if people feel like I use my title to feel all special and tingly inside and to put others down, I accept such remarks although I feel they are unfounded and based on fallacious assumptions. I can assure you many people agree with my position.

- Lord Kranar, human Archwizard reg

06:33 PMSo if I dislike the idea of titles I like to feel all mighty and superior? Huh? Nope. Sorry buddy I am an individual who don't think that way. So there goes that almighty theory.

My feeling is folks who worry bout an image actually are less in my eyes. It's the underdog theory I guess that seems all so popular in storylines that seems to prove my point. Ever notice in many movies like Rockie and the like the guy with the non flashy good hearted determined gusto who battles his way up wins the hearts and minds while the guy spouting off; "I am the Champ!" wearing all the flashy duds just comes away with boos?

I will always root for the guy who is soft spoken and does the right thing. I think a flashy lord can do the same thing, but I like the classical story better I guess.

"Titles make up image, as does wearing clothing which makes your character look good, as does buying that 10x shield and sword which in all likelyhood you don't even need but you spend the millions of silvers to get it anyway."

That image of fat lord with all the flashy clothing always came off as lame also to me. Just as sensible as hunter bob wearing all the jewelry ambushing in the wilds. I swear the average intelligence of the roleplayer here equals the water in a desert during a drought.

Improve your reputation through deeds done and what your character does in a good or evil bent. No title will ever match that. I think the title highlights a negative and not a positive. It just smacks of poor judgement to me.

My as well walk around with a flashing neon sign saying "Bozo alert". That's what I think when I see the Legendary Lord Dork and his group of zombies that come strolling in.

[This message has been edited by GS3Aura (edited 06-05-2001).] reg

07:05 PMKranar, I think you misunderstood what I wrote, if you're responding to my post specifically.

People who like having titles simply because they're a nifty measure of (mechanical) accomplishment are not my issue *whatsoever.*

Everyone has their own sense of what is important to them.

It's the people who NEED to have a title in order to PROVE that they are "special" that I take issue with. A legend doesn't need a title written on his character's description to prove that he's legendary.

A respected person doesn't need "Respected Person over here!" on a button on his lapel in order for people to respect him.

A twit doesn't need "TWITs r US" on his baseball cap to prove that he's a twit.

What you want, and what you need, are two different things. I personally don't care for any titles that aren't earned by deeds rather than mechanical measurements of advancement. But I have NO problem at all with people who enjoy them. It's the ones who think that if they don't have them, that they're lacking somehow, that bug me. It's especially the ones who insist that BECAUSE they have a title, everyone else HAS to treat them this way or that way who bug me.

Hope that clears it up for ya.

-Roberta
reg

08:04 PMI can agree with that arguement Desharei, you certainly don't need a title in Gemstone to have fun or enjoy the game, and a legend who has many friends and is well known and respected isn't that way because a title appears before his name and he certainly doesn't need the title period.

I guess it's how you look at it, me I see it just a neat label to add to your character description just like wearing an altered item or buying yourself a 10x shield. I don't think having legend next to your name earns you any "empowerment" rights, and if people think it does or see it that way then I would have to disagree with that point. However I also don't think it's accurate to judge a character as being less significant because they do have the title on.

<< My as well walk around with a flashing neon sign saying "Bozo alert". That's what I think when I see the Legendary Lord Dork and his group of zombies that come strolling in. >>

The counterarguement in your post is contradictory to what your saying. You said you disagree with my generalization yet you make a generalization of your own.

As I said in another post, you are always free to perceive characters as you feel, you may feel that the title Legendary is isomorphic to the title "Dork Who Needs An Ego Boost", however I think these titles add a new goal for players to attain and it's because of that I support it.

Gemstone is for amusement, and I think that the GMs allowing players the choice of a list of different titles to choose from is an overall improvement.

- Lord Kranar, human Archwizard

[This message has been edited by LordKranar (edited 06-05-2001).] reg

08:42 PMI just want to have the title of Sir.

Or at least a profession of knight. reg

09:43 PM

quote:
Originally posted by LordKranar:
I can agree with that arguement Desharei,(and then a bunch of stuff)
(and then
<< My as well walk around with a flashing neon sign saying "Bozo alert". That's what I think when I see the Legendary Lord Dork and his group of zombies that come strolling in. >>
The counterarguement in your post is contradictory to what your saying. You said you disagree with my generalization yet you make a generalization of your own.
- Lord Kranar, human Archwizard
[This message has been edited by LordKranar (edited 06-05-2001).]

Just to clarify, his response to the second thing he quoted, was a response to someone else. I'm not the one who wrote the "Bozo Alert" thing

That is all.
reg

09:53 PM

quote:
Originally posted by Desharei:
Just to clarify, his response to the second thing he quoted, was a response to someone else. I'm not the one who wrote the "Bozo Alert" thing
That is all.

I said that to make a impact. I just think the title makes me suspect of those that wear it and I can concede that a few might use it as a roleplaying enhancement if the title was more well thought out. As it stands 'the legendary' just generally is poor.

I have no problem with some titles that are more appropriate. Sir sounds like a great one.

reg

11:26 PMI've never used my title and never will. When i get to legend or higher I won't use that either. I help youngins when i can, i spell people up whenever i have the mana, and i send what i don't use to someone who does. That doesn't mean that i think the new titles are bad. Its just not my cup of tea. If you are like Kranar and a few others who will use it as a goal they set for themselves and honestly can say they use it as role playing then i am happy for you. But how many people in these lands do you actually think will use it that way? I think a few might but not many. I think alot of them will use it simply as a way to impress others. The only other problem i see is the layout of them. In my mind a legend is someone who has done incredible things over their lifetime and are remembers for their deeds. Some of these legendary people that i see running around I have never heard of. There are quiet a bit of 50 train people running around the lands. I might know half of them.. Now if you said those few names of the much much older people in the lands, while i might not personally know them i know of them. They should be the legends. You say Drizzsdt, Malok, and Blades and anyone who has been around for a while know who they are. They should be the ones who are the legends of the lands. Not some guy who just turned 50 and threw on his legend title.

Avalor reg

11:34 PMOne thing I would like to add, one of my characters was "born" in Rivers Rest. I moved them over at the age of 2 or 3 right after talking to Thrak. I stayed there as long as I possibly could met many many friends. Some of them being Jupsera, Esserae, Jaxia, Shakrean, etc etc. To me they are some of the "legends" people talk about.

I hate to say it if you like it or not, but while those people aren't old enough to wear the title of Legendary I whole heartidly feel they deserve it. But to many of you, you may not know who any of the above mentioned people are. So in your eyes you could say that they are not legendary.

I know one of my characters is popular in RR and when I get old enough they will have Legendary on just because I know they deserve it. However I would be pretty pissed if I had to make a lockpick run to the Landing and was slapped in the face with a "I don't know you! You not a legend!" line.

Buckwheet reg

05:34 AMWell, I am going to wear my title. I have spent the last ten months workin hard for my Lord title, I have finally reached the poiunt that I have less than 1k exp to go before I get that title. I have always looked forward to the day in which I get the title as to me it means something. I could have done the 0 to 20 thing in a couple of months if I really wanted to, but I enjoy all the RP and other such things that came my way. Caels Onae'Rae is titling today, and yes, he will wear it, and I'd say quite proudly.

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Caels Onae'Rae
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"Don't piss off the petty people and you'll prolly get by in life." reg

07:58 AM

quote:
Originally posted by Caels:
Well, I am going to wear my title. I have spent the last ten months workin hard for my Lord title, I have finally reached the poiunt that I have less than 1k exp to go before I get that title.

I personally don't have any problem with the titles Lord or Lady. They seem in genre and follow some fundamental logic in determining the whole basis of what title actually means.

They don't impress my character with a forced emoticon of sorts such as the legendary. I think I read somewhere on the boards that the titles even violate the policy of alterations. I heard they were going to change the titles based on what we had to say too.

I saw Drizzzdt in the landing for the first time in a year and let me tell you one thing. I honestly will never think of him as legendary, esteemed or whatever. The guy is a pure dolt, thief, and liar. Just because you have no life in the real world and spend all day macro picking doesn't mean you should have a great character. I would show some respect in character to him if he displayed any sort of worthiness without regard to his lack of real life, but he just is a hassling bully. I see through the title, the age, and his master of whatever.

reg

11:30 AMI totally agree that Drizzsdt is a bully just because he can be. He is still legendary however. Everyone knows him. He one of the oldest in the lands. He killed the Feith when it attacked. Even though he is what he is, he still deserves the legendary title. As for those others that aren't old enough for it such as Juspera and the others you mentioned yes they should get it as well. All I was saying before was that it shouldn't be givin purely for age. There are alot of 50 train people out there that don't deserve it. And those are the people that I referred to. Not every 50 train person running around deserves legendary status but there are people in the lands who deserve legendary status who aren't 50. What i would like to see is the High Lord/Lady be the 50 train thing and save Legendary status for something totally different. Give it out as a big event and to very few people for what they do. Kind of like the medal of honor. If someone does something that makes them worthy then give them a legendary title. Don't just do it because they turned 50.

Avalor reg

01:52 PMThe only reason everyone know's him is ooc knowledge how he abused a system that a normal person with normal time on their hands would never even come close to. And don't give me that crap that if the game allowed him to do it then it's within the rules.

Who in their right mind would sit for the number of hours to make 100 levels picking a box over and over again?

Moron just comes to mind.

And the feldthemore or whatever wasn't supposed to be killed and was ruined by a freak of nature that shouldn't in the first place been allowed to exist.

I can't believe you really think that guy deserves jack diddly.

Who am I kidding? I came back to this product in the first place thinking it would be different. It's not. It's worse.

I read all the stories on the elven nations trail about all the whiney snot nosed kids that have the freakin attention span of a firefly and it made me seriously ill.

Is there anyone in the game that knows a way to seclude yourself in a out of the way location where people have mature patience and can follow a plot?

I don't think it is truly possible here. Everyone wants to be the super duper hero of the day. You can't have 1300 hero's of the day in one room. It just can't be done.

Then you have Superbaby sitter booze guzzling Andraste riding in on her broom of pill power coming to save the day.

Or you could say traffic cop Kennesaw at the bridge making all the little girls and boys stay in line or they will get thumped.

What a great roleplay adventure gemstone has become

reg

02:29 PMPeople hate Drizzsdt, people love him. Personally I think Drizzsdt is a really cool and respectable guy, I've heard all the rumours about how he is such a bully and a theif and a dolt etc etc... and I have seen him be a very blunt person in the lands. Guess what?

I love it! I think it's hilarious and he knows that people will critisize him for it, but he does it anyways because that's how he likes to play Drizzsdt. Talk about bullies, he roleplays being a bully, most older people like him can't afford to actually be real and mean bully because they end up getting picked on by the GMs, just talk to Malok about it who got quaked several times and someone tried to implode him and failed miserably. Malok couldn't return the attack because according to the GMs that would be OOC.

Drizzsdt has also accomplished many things for warriors including his devotion and dedication to the warriors guild where he helps other younger warriors and was the first guild master.

It's easy to bad talk someone you don't know in a roleplaying game. I think many people forget that Drizzsdt is roleplaying his character and I think it's great that despite all these blanket statements about him he continues to play his guy the best he can.

One more point... he could have easily ruined all of the fedithmore's in one swing, but he chose not to and allowed someone else to kill the rest.

- Lord Kranar, human Archwizard reg

02:36 PMIn regards to your most recent post GSAura, when you decide and choose to look at Gemstone and critisize it for all the bad things it has, you could probably come up with pages and pages of problems with it. The bigger of a game it is, the more pages you can write about how lousy and pathetic it is. The problem with that logic however is that it's ultimately biased and the critisism is closed minded, you're only looking for the bad GS has to offer and ignorning the good, and because Gemstone is so big and diverse and continually expanding you could probably find new problems with it on a daily basis.

I do agree with some points made about the quality of roleplaying decreasing and I can respect your position that these titles are no good. But I also think that for every bad comment there is about Gemstone, there is an equally and valid good comment to balance things out.

- Lord Kranar, human Archwizard reg

04:27 PMI respect your opinion Kranar, but there is just too much quantity for me to ignore all the bad. It's just plain too difficult for me to avoid the people that ruin the game for me.

The thoughts on the nets, full of kiddie/chat room verbage to the snert at a node. The no verbal exchange zombie group of four just is too much in plain sight for me to stomach anymore.

Add to that mix a staff that does nothing to promote a better place to come play. I would even go so far to say they promote those activities because of poor policy and poor implementation of that policy.

I think some say that memories and time make the heart grow fonder. Not this cat. I came back and it grew black.

Maybe there is just too much history of letdowns for me to get past too. I have tried damn hard over the years to strike up a quest or something that is fun. I have tried to play a villian for some and have been constantly told I am harassing so and so behind my back or reported without the basic common human courtesy of "hey man I don't like that".

Maybe I am making a commentary on the state of today's human condition. The instant gratification "me me me" people who have really no respect for anyone but themselves have taken over this game at least.

And your opinions on Drizzsdt still don't sway me. He didn't do anything great. I even just read a post on the message boards where he can't even distinguish who he is vice his character. The guy is delusional.

Thanks for the attempt. But I am so gone after my month is up again.

[This message has been edited by GS3Aura (edited 06-06-2001).] reg

10:23 PMI'm in total accord with the idea that Drizzsdt is delusional. The guy always has been and always will be.

I do remember when he was small and didn't talk 1/100 of the trash he talks to people now...but oh well...that's why I just stay as far away from him as I can.

Still makes me sad that a guy that thinks he's such a good RP'er, etc. has to start the game stealing a name from another game and just changing it up a bit. reg

03:44 AMMaybe I just live a sheltered life, but I have seen only maybe 25% of what most are complaining about in this thread. Yes, I have had my share of idiotic snerts and those that just simply care only about themselves, but it is far less than I willing to let ruin my fun. If ye let those types of people get to ye, then ye have only yerself to blame. No one can force me to hate the game because of their stupidity. Love the game, hate the snert (or whoever) and get on with yer Elanthian life. I have been emphasising RP in my healing techniques recently and I have had several people praise me for it. Instead of talkin about how all the lands are going to crap, show the rest of the lands how it is done. We all make a larger impact on the game than we realize.

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Caels Onae'Rae
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"Don't piss off the petty people and you'll prolly get by in life." reg

12:11 PMTitles: I'll MAKE a name for myself, thank you. I find it's more challenging and rewarding to do so than to make a lame attempt at usurping a praiseworthy name because some GM who has never laid text-based eyes on my character thinks I deserve it for the quantity of my levels. Some people can't stand up to that level of excellency, but I'm not going to hold myself responsible for everyone else's inferiority, besides, I am perfectly entitled to my opinions. As for Kranar, who stated that titles can add to the image of a character, I can see this point and respect you for expressing it. I think it is valid, however I believe that there are other, more weighty issues involved. Certainly you can agree that as the system currently stands, the title "Legendary" is a reward for gaining X levels. It is my humble belief that GS3 would benefit by rewarding the pursuit of levels much less than it already does. If the title "Legendary" were made available level 20, along with "Lord" and "Legendary Lord", I would have less to complain about.

Add to this that while Legend has traditionally been an unofficial title for characters of level 50 and more, the word itself has a special definition, and a meaning so complimentary that it would be tasteless for a person to insist that he is indeed legendary. Worthiness of the word has always been based on deeds; not experience points, skill with debate, or one's perceived right to self expression. This was never a major concern with the unofficial title since it was, after all, unofficial. It was a fun compensation to be allowed into the Legend's Bar, but what other distinction did level 50 grant?

The meaning of the word has not changed; the unofficial title has been made official; the definition of the word has always been implied in the unofficial title, it is now implied in the official title. I do find it somewhat tasteless to insist upon announcing that I am a Legend every time I enter or exit a room.

Drizzsdt: He gets a big pat on the back for getting to level 2,938. In all my interactions with him, I yet to see him exhibit even a mediocre understanding of character portrayal, though I admit he is a very good bully. I suppose that isn't exactly a challenge when you are indeed level 2,938. I'll save my praise for people who have actually done something praiseworthy, in the meantime I trust that Drizzsdt will continue to do what pleases him. reg

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