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To legalise Marijuana?

On July 31st, 2000, a wonderful thing happened in Canada:

Ontario's top court today ruled unanimously (3-0) that Canada's law making marijuana possession a crime is unconstitutional, because it does not take into account the needs of sick and dying Canadians for medical marijuana. (Ontario has one-third of the population of Canada.)

The Government may appeal the ruling, but the politicians can no longer duck the issue.

The judges did allow the law to remain in effect for another 12 months, to permit Parliament to rewrite it.

However, if it does not there will be NO marijuana laws in Canada.

Now, as you can no doubt tell, I am a "drug user". What you may NOT realise is that YOU probably are too!

Do you drink beer, wine, liquors?
Do you smoke cigarettes, cigars, a pipe?
Do you drink coffee, tea, cola?

If you answered yes to any of those questions, you are using drugs, and are by definition a drug user.

Alcohol is a drug, it has averse effects on the human system, wrecks homes, kills people every day in a variety of different ways (traffic accidents, poisoning and liver problems to mention just a few), and yet it's legal for adults, and socially accepted these days. Remember, however, that it wasn't always. The prohibition in the US during the 1930's made alcohol illegal, and what happened? Gangsters sold it illegally and made millions (smuggling it in from Canada, or brewing it themselves). Individuals brewed their own, and faced incarceration, fines, and other horrible consequences.

Sound familiar...?

Cigarettes are proved to cause lung cancer, asthma and emphysema, not ONLY to the people who are smoking them, but to PEOPLE AROUND THEM. You can get sick from cigarette smoke MERELY from standing BESIDE a person who's smoking. The choice that someone else makes can harm YOU, and yet these are also legal for adults and acceptable (although they are becoming less acceptable these days, if the trend on public smoking is any indication). Cigarette companies pump unnatural, extrordinarily harmful chemicals into their cigarettes for the SOLE purpose of making them more addictive and better tasting, so smokers smoke MORE, get MORE sick, and get MORE addicted. Yet, these things are legal for adults.

Cigars are smoked, but not meant to be inhaled (so they say), so they're supposed to be safer. All that does is move the problems from the lungs to the mouth, tongue and throat. Perhaps they are made of a more "pure" form of tobacco, with less chemicals, I can't honestly say, but they are still made of tobacco leaf, which is a drug.

Colas (in Canada only a cola is allowed to contain caffeine), some teas, regular coffee, and many other things contain caffeine. This is also a drug, and in large amounts it's deadly. Yet, it's not only acceptable to be a caffeine user, it is assumed. "Every" adult has a drink of coffee in the morning, "Every" kid drinks cola. You'd never allow your kids to smoke, or drink alcohol, and yet you GIVE THEM caffeine. YOU are the drug dealer for your children when it comes to caffeine.

Before I get any farther, I'd like to point out that I enjoy a drink once-in-a-while, I enjoy a cigar once-in-a-while and I'll have a pop, or a tea. This has NOT made me a raving drug addict, and it won't make most people raving drug addicts.

The reason why I'm pointing all this out is to illustrate the hypocrisy of the opinions of other drugs. The Government sell drugs to people (liquor stores, beer stores), and spends some of the money in education and health aspects, trying to get people to NOT use them, or to use them more responsibly. There are age restrictions, so that "children" (the ages vary based on jurisdiction) aren't overly exposed to the drug's detrimental effects before they are old enough to adequately deal with it.

However, the law and the government allows adults to (bleep) up their bodies in any number of ways, legally, using the above substances, and (in Canada) PAYS for it with the public health care system. So YOU, and I, pay for Joe the Moron who got loaded at the bar, drove home, killed a family and broke his own back. HE's on welfare because he can't work. The people he killed are, well, DEAD, and we're paying for his welfare with our taxes, and his rehabilitation with our taxes.

Now, what's the difference between Joe the Moron getting loaded on alcohol, and getting "stoned" (high on pot)? Obviously, alcohol is legal (you can even brew it yourself, as long as you don't sell it), but marijuana is not. Both are derived from natural plants, both have been used for millennia by humans for their intoxicating purposes (humans like to be high, it seems), both have also been used for millennia as a medicine and marijuana has been used for clothing, as food and thousands of other uses (in case you didn't know, marijuana and HEMP are the same plant). Yet, if I go to the corner, buy 1/8th of an ounce of pot I broke the law. If I grow it myself, I broke the law.

Remember above I said "Sound familiar..."? If not, scroll up until you see it, and read the paragraph above it. OK? Good. The difference is legislation. The hemp plant is very useful, but since it was SO useful: it could eat into the profits of the Pulp and Paper companies, because hemp is better for making paper than trees are, and it obviously won't involve the cutting down of 1000 year old trees, it could eat into the profits of the cotton companies, because it's a stronger, better fabric than cotton for a lot of industrial applications (sailboat sails were made of hemp for years, the original Levi's Jeans were made of hemp), if you can get high, then there's less reason for you to get drunk, and the alcohol companies (Beer, liquors, wines) would rather you kill your brain cells with THEIR products, just to name a few uses, check out some others

So here is what I propose (and some people won't agree, some will want me shot on site (probably the same morons who "save lives" by KILLING ABORTION DOCTORS, DUH!), but some of you WILL agree, or will see my reasons and at least understand): LEGALISE ALL DRUGS.

Yes. I said ALL DRUGS. I'll repeat it one more time:

Legalise All Drugs

Ok, got it now? Why, you may ask. There'll be mass chaos, rioting in the streets, dogs and cats living together, the End of the World(tm) as we know it! (with all the appropriate apologies to the songs and movies I stole the above from). You know something, for the first little while there WILL be some chaos, it WILL take some getting used to, and it WILL NOT be perfect. However, I believe that if ALL drugs are treated as alcohol, the world will be a much better place. If I could go down to the liquor store, pick up a litre of Rye, a pack of joints, and an ounce of magic mushrooms, I'd feel better, because I know that the quality of the drugs will be legislated and tested, just like the alcohol. No one will get a "bad batch" of killer heroin, because it'll be tested. Everyone will get a clean needle, because they'll be provided as part of your purchase price.

Also, since there are legal places to buy ALL the drugs, there will be much fewer ILLEGAL places to buy the drugs. I'm not saying that there will be NO places to buy illegal drugs, because it's possible to buy alcohol illegally, and cigarettes illegally, but there will be less of an incentive to use these untrustworthy places. If you have to have an age of majority card to buy your drugs, then kids won't use drugs any more then they use alcohol.

Since I brought it up, let's talk about the children. Kids Will Get Alcohol, Kids Will Get Cigarettes, Kids Will Get Drugs, and Kids Will Get Porn. I did when I was a kid, your kids do if they want, my kids will too. There is no force on this planet that can stop kids doing what they want to do. They are smart, resourceful, and curious. If, however, we do our best to ensure that if they ever DO get their hands on these adult substances, that the quality is there, they're educated enough to understand the uses and consequences, and if the mystery is taken out of these substances, the curiosity will be FAR LESS than it is now.

Now, many of you are thinking about the money involved. How much money does the government make ever year from cigarettes sales? Alcohol sales? Billions of dollars probably wouldn't be an exaggeration. The fact that governments don't know how to spend the money is a different rant altogether, if the governments treated ALL drugs the same, they could bring in BILLIONS MORE dollars every year in taxes and other fees, and they could spend that money on better education and better treatment for abusers. They would also save BILLIONS of dollars every year in jails and prisons. There would be more space in the prisons for the REAL bad-guys (rapists, murders and other unsavoury characters).

G

edited for language


[This message has been edited by Krong (edited 06-18-2001).]

[This message has been edited by Fralcon (edited 06-19-2001).] reg

::laugh:: Sorry had to get that off my chest.

Not all drugs should be legalized even though some of them already are such as acid. Did you know that alls acid is, would be the same thing that you buy at the store but know it as rat poison. All drugs should not be legalized. I'm sorry but I have to disagree with you. It will create poverty in the states, will put our government in debt because of health care, and will create much more death! Now on the other hand Marijuana is the lightest illegal drug out there. We all know there are drugs such as caffiene and such which are very different then the drugs your talking about. Marijuana alters the state of consciousness just like alcohol. Both of these drugs to impair your senses. But this impairment is not like what other drugs do to you.

Do you know why marijuana was made illegal in the first place? The government had controll over tobacco and alcohol but it did not over marijuana. There were laws for tobacco and alcohol and it helped bring in money for the government. There were no laws for marijuana until they made it illegal.

Anyhows, yay for the legalization of marijuana in "Canadia" (Everything is fake in Canadia anyhows, isn't it? ::cower Kranar:: ::tickle Johnny and Nindy: Just kidding.

Just one more thought to throw at you. It maybe legal but how potent is it really going to be? Look at what they have done to alcohol. Moonshine (198 proof) was one of the original forms of liquer in our country and now you rarely find anything over 100 proof.

Lord Deprav
Smoking tobacco out of my pipe as we speak. reg

Did you write that Krong?

'lood
This message is copyright of Kelood Inc. 2001 reg

First, two corrections. Hemp is LEGAL in the United States. There are stores right here in New Haven Connecticut that offer wonderful wardrobes and accessories, and even skin creams made from it. Hemp is the *male* marijuana plant, which contains no THC, the active ingredient of marijana. (Tetra hydro cannabinol)

The second correction is for Lord Deprav, who posts that acid is rat poison. If by "acid" you mean LSD, then this is incorrect. LSD is lysergic acid diethylamide, also known as d-lysergic acid. Common rat poison is strychnine. What may have caused the confusion is that LSD, when exposed to oxygen (air) over periods of time, breaks down and produces the *by-product* strychnine. Eventually, once the liquid is completely "stale," all you'll have left is strychnine. So if your LSD IS 100% strychnine, either you've kept it around too long, or you should find a new supplier. Fresh LSD has *zero* strychnine in it.

Now on to the topic - should Marijuana be legal? Absolutely. In fact, the government would likely be able to lower taxes on "other" things if they legalized it, called it a controlled pharmaceutical, and imposed fines for illegal USE of it. Maybe have it dispensable only by a pharmacist, and prescribed by a licensed medical practitioner.

My opinion aside... it *generally* takes more than a couple of sips of beer for someone to be impaired while driving. It takes only a couple of "tokes" on a joint to do the same. The ability to concentrate is severely hampered by marijuana use. If it were legalized, I'd like to see VERY strict laws in place to protect victims of "stoned drivers" and businesses against stoned workers getting hurt while on the job. Cut your finger off in the folding machine because you were stoned? No worker's comp.

Let the insurance companies deal with that sort of thing. That's what we pay them the big bucks for, afterall

Legalize, but control, marijuana. That's my opinion.

Roberta
reg

Krong, say what you want, marijuana will always be illegal in Canada.

I don't think the government is stupid enough to allow marijuana to be legal so that dumb teens can start running around smoking it in everyone's faces.

<< However, if it does not there will be NO marijuana laws in Canada. >>

This is why I think your statement is false in the first place (well it's the first thing you said that led me to believe it's a bunch of hotair). There are laws regarding almost every drug, including alcohol and caffein and cigarretes. And what are you talking about "medical use"? Morphine is an illegal substance but it is used for medical purposes in Canada already, and you know what? So is marijuana, those two drugs have never been a problem.

Heck, it's not even unlikely that marijuana will be legalized for public use, it just won't period.

- Lord Kranar, human Archwizard reg

No, you are wrong. Male plants to contain THC, just not alot. Believe me, i know.

Want to know the REAL reason it will never be a legal substance? It is extremely easy to grow. Think about it. Tobacco is very hard to grow, and only people who invest alot of time and money can do it. Dope, on the other hand, is extremely easy to grow. The point I am getting at here, is that the government, they want to tax the crap out of everything, and they can do that with tobacco, cause they pretty much know who grows it. If marijuana was legal, everyone would grow it, and it would be virtually impossible to tax it.

G reg

<< If marijuana was legal, everyone would grow it, and it would be virtually impossible to tax it. >>

<cackle> Marijuana is easy to grow?!?!

Do you have any idea how difficult it is to grow marijuana in Canada?! There is not enough sun to grow marijuana up here.

About two years ago in Toronto, do you know what once got a guy caught for growing mass amounts of marijuana in his basement? His electric bill, no joke. He was using extremely high freaquency UV rays 24/7 to grow marijuana in his basement and sell it for profit but his electric bill was so incredibly big that he couldn't afford it and then got busted for marijuana.

Hemp requires boatloads of sun all year long and Canada only gets the required amount of sun for hemp for no longer than 3 months. You can't even naturally grow hemp in most places in the U.S.

The real reason marijuana won't be legalized is because of society's increase against the tolerance of drugs in general. I don't know what the rules are in the states but up here there are very few places you're allowed to smoke not to mention the in your face "Smoking Can Kill You" messages that are on every pack of cigarettes. Every year it becomes harder and harder to be a smoker.

- Lord Kranar, human Archwizard reg

You are absolutely wrong. I know of two people, one who lives about 3 hours north of toronto, one who lives in a suburb of toronto, who both grow it. I know this for a fact. They grow the plants out doors. You are absolutely wrong. Also, I have met one person who grown a plant inside his room, with one extremely bright sun light.

Go check out the messages boards at
www.yahooka.com
You can ask anyone who grows if Canada gets enough sun time..

One downfall of the legalization of marijuana would be the control of the THC%. Right now, the ebst bud in the world, hydroponically grown from British Columbia, is about 30% THC. In Amsterdam, where marijuana is legal, the goverment imposed a law stating that marijuana cant be over the 3% mark. Thatis a huuuge drop.

G reg

Please refrain from the insults.

(happy?)

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[This message has been edited by Fralcon (edited 06-21-2001).] reg

quote:
Originally posted by Fralcon:
Please refrain from the unnecessary insults.


I would say the same about unnecessary squelching of opinions that are the truth. I said nothing that was inaccurate or false.

I suppose letting someone brag about illegal activities is something this board is about rather than someone making a pointed remark about it's effects.

You go Fralcon.

reg

First, to Fralcon. Is there any incident in which an insult can be considered "necessary?" If not, then your request to cut down on the "UNnecessesary insults" is, well, confusing at best.

Second, to GSAura. Opinions cannot be true nor false. They are opinions. In addition, while I cringe right along side of you when reading a post lacking structure, ignoring laws of grammar, and with no regard to spelling, I usually refrain from commenting. I've seen you comment often, however, and in some cases present yourself as quite the superior expert on the subject.

If you intend to continue in this vein, I would suggest you check your own writing prowess first.

You wrote:

I suppose letting someone brag about illegal activities is something this board is about rather than someone making a pointed remark about it's effects.

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The "is something this board is about" is horridly worded. I'm sure you can do better than that. Also, the word its should not have an apostrophe. It's means "it is" or "it has", and never anything else. Its means "that which belongs to it."

Ta.


reg

It is necessary to say "Kranar is a big dummy" every 3 1/2 weeks.

That is what you call a necessary insult.

'lood
reg

Never professed to be a grammar expert. Must of done acid then.

reg

Must HAVE done acid, dangit! ::mutters::

And thanks Kelood for ruining my day. *I* was gonna say that, but you beat me to it and now I have to wait three and a half more weeks til it can be said again.

Dang spoilsports. Hrrmph!
reg

Can we please make it 4 weeks?

- Lord Kranar, human Archwizard reg

Oh sure, deprive me. No, go ahead, I revel in it. I cherish it. I live for the abuse.

Hrrmph again!
reg

The very essence of off topic...

G reg

Awww, some one removed my post...now no one will know about the massive amounts of drugs i do to enduce fun into my boring and extremely dull life.

-John

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I just read in my local paper yesterday that people who live in Canada with a terminally ill sickness can grow their own stuff now a days. Seems I have just became terminally ill also (cough cough) appears I will be moving up there soon to live my next fews days on this earth.

Lord Deprav
All part of nature. reg

To legalize drugs would be the second biggest mistake ever made by our government.

[This message has been edited by Pirub9 (edited 08-01-2001).] reg

Dare I ask the first?

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~Nindy
"Don't take this the wrong way." reg

The governement is going down the drains slowly anyhows so not goint to matter in the wrong way. Might as well smoke pot and be happy. reg
You don't want to know the first; our problem is still correctable with a strong leader. The legalization of pot would just send it into a one way downward spiral.

-Pirub reg

Okay first off...

Marijuana hasn't been legalized to the public in Canada.

To be able to smoke the thing you have to be terminally ill to the point where you only have 1 and a half years left to live.

- Lord Kranar, human Archwizard reg

yes thats true, but in my paper monday it was stated that marijuana will be legal for terminally ill pantients to grow. So whats this mean. Cheaper weed? Maybe. Easy to access? Maybe. Going to make it legal for all citizens to grow and smoke? Hopefully. The US will be next.

Lord Deprav reg

Deprav = Retard.
The US Supreme court already struck down medical marijuana.

I'd rather you not edit my posts, thanks.

-Pirub

[This message has been edited by Pirub9 (edited 08-02-2001).] reg