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08:47 AMAmerican people of Islamic faith are being harassed and violated every day since Sept 11th. Comparing the average Muslim to the terrorists is like comparing the average Christian to Nazi Germany. Pass it on.

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He who laughs last, didn't get the joke. reg

11:13 AMWhile I am certainly not taking part in any of these actions, I don't blame people for doing so. When you see some guy walking around with a big beard and towel you cannot help by make the assosciation. It'd be nice to just shut down the borders. That way the only possible terrorist would already be here and most likely strike soon. If we closed the borders for a couple years I'm confident you'd see a serious decline in racial attacks.

Sonic reg

12:50 PMIf we closed the borders down 200 years ago than you wouldn't be here. If we closed the borders down how would we get our resorts? No one is going to want to go over in that area where terrorists are fighting every day. And they would not be aloud in our country cause of fear of what they can do.

Lord Deprav
Perhaps we need to think things through before action takes place. reg

12:52 PMRight Alfador. And while we're at it, let's make sure that all bald males are kept out of the States too. Afterall, we all associate them with skinhead neo-Nazi terrorists and we can't have any more of them in this country either.

Oh and let's not forget any man who wears any purple in any of his clothing. It's a known fact that purple is associated with gayness, and we all know that's where AIDs comes from.

Jeez the ignorance of people never ceases to amaze me. It's really sad and I am SO glad that I don't know too many people like that.

::sighs with disgust::
reg

02:42 PM'If we closed the borders down 200 years ago than you wouldn't be here. If we closed the borders down how would we get our resorts? No one is going to want to go over in that area where terrorists are fighting every day. And they would not be aloud in our country cause of fear of what they can do.'

200 years ago there was no terrorism, welfare or 20 million illegal aliens. Times change, and those that don't change with them die.

Closing our borders won't mean we can't have any tourists. They can get visiting green cards, close the border with mexico and keep track of the people that enter.

-Pirub reg

05:59 PMAlfador, I think one of the great things about America is that everyone is entitled to their opinions and free to state them. But, I don't understand why you have to be so cranky. You don't have to agree with Roberta's opinions, or anyone else, but do you have to be so .... harsh about it?

And why do ALL of your posts have that little red, mad face on 'em?

Summer reg

06:24 PMSomeone without the right to comment is going to go ahead and insinuate that I am anti-skin head or anti-whatever? I hate to have to explain every single thing I say, but I assure you that I do think out my opinions before I go and slap them on the boards.

It's a FACT that 19 men were responsible for the killing of 6500 people. It's a FACT that ALL of these 19 men were ARABS. Am I wrong for being angry with arabs for this act? I'm sure none of you live near many arabs. Being from North NJ, there is much diversity around me. In college I was roommates with a Pakistani exchange student for a semester. He was an arab and a muslim. He expressed to me the dislike towards Americans by 'almost all foreign muslims.' Most of you probably weren't aware, but most "Arab Americans" are not Arab Americans. They are just arabs that are here on visa, and in many cases expired visas.

Sadly enough the ONLY person I see that reads even a nanometer beyond the lines is Pirub. 200 years ago there was no REASON to shut down the borders as he said. Today there is a very logical reason. Is it right? Is it wrong? Had we shut down the borders a year ago and the WTC was standing today and the 13,000+ people that are currently mourning the death of their loved ones weren't, would it be justified? Why does everyone have to burn themselves before they realize that the stove is hot?

Sonic reg

06:35 PMYa know you might try getting your facts straight before forming opinions on, well, anything really. Here's a list of the Arab Nations:

Algeria Bahrain Comoros Djibouti
Egypt Iraq Jordan Kuwait
Lebanon Libya Mauritania Morocco
Oman Palestine Qatar Saudi Arabia
Somalia Sudan Syria Tunisia
United Arab Emirates Yemen

Notice anything missing? Maybe...Pakistan, for instance?

R
reg

06:42 PMFirst of all, I think everyone has a right to their opinion.

I'm sick at heart to think that there are people even capable of planning and doing something as heinous as September 11th. But, I can't hate all Arabs, or blame all of them.

Using your logic, Alfador, I would have to hate and condemn all the white, males in America because of the ones involved in the Oklahoma bombing. Now, how silly would that be?

Summer reg

06:46 PMSo Iran is not an Arab state? You don't say?
You probably have never lived outside the US, thus you probably don't know that in places like Europe, Asia Minor, Africa, the people tend to be a little bit more connected with the feelings of their neighboring countries populus than we are in America. I promise you that my Pakistani roommate WAS arab and I promise you that he knows MUCH more about the people of that region of the Earth than you or anyone else on this board.

Afghanistan wasn't listed there as an Arab state either yet they house the Arab terrorist Osama bin Laden. You think that Canada would harbor a Mexican terrorist and refuse to give him up? I don't. Next time you bother replying, please do us a favor and make it remotely substantial and at least attempt to prove a reasonable point.

Sonic reg

07:08 PM
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Originally posted by Alfador:
While I am certainly not taking part in any of these actions, I don't blame people for doing so. When you see some guy walking around with a big beard and towel you cannot help by make the assosciation.
Sonic

You were referring to appearance and nationality, not affiliation.

Summer

[This message has been edited by Summerlyn (edited 09-26-2001).] reg

07:45 PMI think that the original point that Theonic was making was that not all people of the Islamic faith are terrorist nor do they support terrorism, and therefore should be incur the wrath reserved for a terrorist.

Locking down our borders amy work, but I am wondering who gets locked out. Are we going to lock out based on looks? If so, would not a McVeigh be exempted since he does not look like the typical Arab? And yet, he was a terrorist.

Profiling certainly is an option, but I think that it could also work against the user if not used correctly. Let's take WWII as an example. American born Japanese citizens were put into camps during the war. The U.S. military had a unit comprised entirely of Japanese soldiers who fought against Japan. These soldiers looked Japanese. They also had more medals awarded to them than any other unit during the war. They were the legendary "442." This is just one example of where profiling went wrong.

I think it is not good to punish the innocent. In our society, there are laws to govern our actions. I think we should judge a person by their actions rather than by their looks. Looking at the McVeigh case, judging by his looks, he doesn't look like the Arab terrorist that we want to profile, but by his actions, there is no reason not to believe that he is a terrorist.

Our great country is made up of many cultures and religions. It is our diversity that gives us the best of the best from each culture and religion.


Gandmor reg

08:11 PMAlfador...

This is directed to you...and I don't want you to think that it's a flame of disrespect towards you...it's far from it...

This is not a forum for personal vendettas that you might have with other races/ethnicities/religions,etc.

It is not a place to get back for all the people that bullied you throughout your life.

I just hate seeing that you publically tell everyone to "f you". That's not what we need on these boards.

You've gained a lot of respect in the wizard folder through your very intelligent growth interval calculations in regards to your wizard's stat placement.

Why not just tone down your anger a bit?

reg

08:22 PMAlfador, you are just asking to be kicked out of here. My suggestion would to be a little more kinder. Calling names to moderators is not a good idea. If you have a problem with em, email them or Buckwheet. Arabs make up 20 percent of the Muslim population. Perhaps some Muslims hate me for what I am. But if I hate them, then I would be at the same level they are. I would feel pathetic. And I would hope that anyone who is american feels the same way.

Lord Deprav
"Look at what God did to us"~Fear and Loathing in Las Vegas~ reg

11:52 PMYou know, I do feel a little nervous around people who obviously look arabian. I do NOT do anything about it, since I know it is a knee jerk reaction and that the odds of anyone I come into contact with being a terrorist are something like the odds of winning powerball. So I calm myself down and hope that my face hasn't betrayed my feelings because I don't wish to offend anyone. I too have known a few arabs, and became friends with one in particular. I think it is a VERY DANGEROUS thing to let one person tell you how a whole nation feels about anything. I know for a fact that Youssef (my friend) came to America for the opportunities and as soon as he could he brought his family over. He was a good neighbor and is a good friend. He is not anti-american, and in fact was proud to tell everyone the day he earned his citizenship. Does that mean I think all Arabs are pro America? Nope, but I also don't think they are all anti-America either.

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He who laughs last, didn't get the joke. reg

11:55 PMJust to clarify I have no intentions at this point in time to kick any member off these boards.

PS. I back.

PPS. Lets move on.

PPPS. EN2 comes in one day! Ya!

Buckwheet reg

12:18 PMI've said what I feel and anything else I post will only perpetuate more fighting so I won't say anything else in this particular topic.

Sonic reg

05:45 PM<< So Iran is not an Arab state >>

Iran is the LAST THING FROM AN ARAB state.

Heh, it's been awhile since I posted, but this comes up often the question of what an arab is, people think Afganistan is an arab state or that Afganis are arabs, they are infact Persian.

Arab states are exactly what Desharei posted. Iran is NOT arab, nor is Pakistan, nor is India, or any other country outside of the ones listed. Heck, Arabs speak arabic, Persians, well what do ya know... they speak Persian!

People of Iran are refered to as Persians. Persian's and Arabs are considered enemies of one another, they have faught many wars agains the arabs and continue to try and oppress one another.

Calling a Persian an Arab is like calling a Japanese a Chinese, or a Mongolian a Vietnamese. It's usually only those ignorant and who know nothing about the history of the middle east who make the mistake anyways. Iran isn't even part of the middle east, nor is Afganistan.

Also, the wearing of turbans is not a religious custom, it's a cultural custom. Another misconception people make is that Islam's dress code includes the women wearing vials around their head to cover it up entirely, and men wearing a turbine. This comes from the media no doubt because people see Afganistani women oppressed on the T.V abused and having to cover every square millimeter of their body or they die, so they assume it's part of the religion of Islam.

The vial has its own history, as does wearing a turban, as do men growing long beards. They are CULTURAL traits, not having anything to do with religion. Infact in Islam it's perfectly acceptable and infact advisable to shave hair that makes you feel uncomfortable whether you're a male or female.

The dress code in the Qu'ran translated in English is fairly simple, it simply requests that one appears modest, don't dress like you're trying to reach for the sky, but also don't dress like a beggar either.

- Lord Kranar, human Archwizard
An arab, but not a terrorist, surprisingly...

[This message has been edited by LordKranar (edited 10-01-2001).] reg

05:51 PMOh, one more thing about Afganistan harbouring an Arab.

Osama Bin Laden is an arab, he was exiled out of Saudi Arabia for one terrorist attack and 3 attempted attacks and the only country that would accept him was Sudan and Afganistan. He lived in Sudan for awhile but moved to Afganistan after the Taliban took control of the country. The Taliban have more to offer to Osama Bin Laden then the government of Sudan, and it's much easier to fight a war and hide in Afganistan than it is in Sudan.

Since the Taliban and Osama Bin Laden have the same "goals" in mind, you could say they have formed an alliance...

However, Afganistan IS NOT AN ARAB STATE. As I said, Arabs and Persians have a resent for one another that goes back 1000s of years before even Islam was a religion.

- Lord Kranar, human Archwizard reg