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Originally posted by GOD:
The biggest roll of toilet paper ever.-John
Heh.
Good line John...never heard that one. reg
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It is not called Area 51.
I hate ignorance. I hate how people can't read a simple map and determine what 51 really means. It is the highest elevetion in that grid...
Groom Lake is your answer.
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Originally posted by Hiway:
Pet Peeve.It is not called Area 51.
I hate ignorance. I hate how people can't read a simple map and determine what 51 really means. It is the highest elevetion in that grid...
Groom Lake is your answer.
Hiway-ignorance buster
And I should do research on some redneck's story because... ? reg
The official name of the base isn't Groom Lake, and officially it's not Area 51 either, although the government did refer to the base as Area 51 while it was denying its existance (which it did until 1994 when 60 Minutes did a story on it and actually went over to Rachel City and filmed as much of the base as they legally could). The reason they chose Area 51 instead of say... Area 93 is because maps made before the creation of the base (back in the 40s) refered to that unused and unoccupied area as Area 51. When the base was built only then was Groom Lake added onto maps instead of Area 51, but the name stuck. 60 Minutes did a lot of research on the base and revealed that the base was where the U2 spy planes were engineered and tested.
Shortly after the government acknowledged its existance, they have also revealed the name of the base as being infact the Edwards Air Force Base's AFFTC Detachment 3 (which can be further reduced to DET3-AFFTC).
The AFFTC stands for Air Force Flight Test Center in case you were wondering.
Groom Lake, Nevada is what is shown on maps, but there is no lake in that area. Area 51 was what the government reffered to it before officially revealing its name, and since Area 51 is a hell of a lot easier to remember, I think people would rather just stick to that name rather than always saying "Yeah man, what's behind the Edwards Air Force Base's AFFTC Detatchment 3? You got any clue?"
I used to be a real buff on Area 51, hell in some ways I still am. When the name comes up it always catches my attention, and I did afterall use it as a description for this folder.
- Lord Kranar, human Archwizard
[This message has been edited by LordKranar (edited 12-05-2001).] reg
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Originally posted by LordKranar:
Hate to do this to ya Hiway but...The official name of the base isn't Groom Lake, and officially it's not Area 51 either, although the government did refer to the base as Area 51 while it was denying its existance (which it did until 1994 when 60 Minutes did a story on it and actually went over to Rachel City and filmed as much of the base as they legally could). The reason they chose Area 51 instead of say... Area 93 is because maps made before the creation of the base (back in the 40s) refered to that unused and unoccupied area as Area 51. When the base was built only then was Groom Lake added onto maps instead of Area 51, but the name stuck. 60 Minutes did a lot of research on the base and revealed that the base was where the U2 spy planes were engineered and tested.
Shortly after the government acknowledged its existance, they have also revealed the name of the base as being infact the Edwards Air Force Base's AFFTC Detachment 3 (which can be further reduced to DET3-AFFTC).
The AFFTC stands for Air Force Flight Test Center in case you were wondering.
Groom Lake, Nevada is what is shown on maps, but there is no lake in that area. Area 51 was what the government reffered to it before officially revealing its name, and since Area 51 is a hell of a lot easier to remember, I think people would rather just stick to that name rather than always saying "Yeah man, what's behind the Edwards Air Force Base's AFFTC Detatchment 3? You got any clue?"
I used to be a real buff on Area 51, hell in some ways I still am. When the name comes up it always catches my attention, and I did afterall use it as a description for this folder.
- Lord Kranar, human Archwizard
[This message has been edited by LordKranar (edited 12-05-2001).]
Don't hate to believe nothing you can't know...
Anyway, landed there. I know the name because I have a friend that works there that I flew with also. It is called Groom Lake and a DET 3 from Edwards is there amongst many others to include being controlled by DOE, that's the Department of Energy.
Also, I don't give a rat's tail what 60 minutes has said or not said.
And FYI many areas in the desert are called lakes because gosh they are old lake beds all dried up, just like well the main part where the landing strip is in a dried up lake bed, which happens to be called... ::drum roll here::: Groom Lake.
Oh the big 5 and little 1 on a map is elevation,as in highest elevation within that box or grid.... Ask any army guy or anyone who can read a map... Ask Alfador he will vouch too. I have a JOG,TPC, and JNC of the grid also if you need more proof.
Oh more tidbits... The place is also referred to as Dream Land and The Box/Container when flying Red/Green Flags. Also Weapons testing, Red Air support for WIC. I have flown in that airspace for over 12 years and have deployed to Nellis numerous times that I can't even count the number.
I also know what happens when even military people fly over the "box" or land there.
Hiway-TS-SCI
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Well Groom Lake is just as correct of a name as Area 51 as is Dreamland and all the other names people have given it over the years.
Having said that, I don't think it's being ignorant calling it Area 51 since that name is just as correct as Groom Lake. You wanted to argue official names, well I provided you with the official name.
The Edward's Air Force Base's AFFTC Detatchment-3. Any other name is just a short form and unofficial handle, nothing to get a pet peeve over since Groom Lake is just as "incorrect".
- Lord Kranar, human Archwizard
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Originally posted by LordKranar:
"Yeah man, what's behind the Edwards Air Force Base's AFFTC Detatchment 3? You got any clue?"
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The DET you keep mentioning is a common name of a detachment labeling the PEOPLE not the base.
The area is called Groom Lake. The DET is ONE of others. Yes, one, as in just a PART of a whole.
For example... At Nellis AFB there are other detachments for a whole various number of functions carried out by weapons school, Red Flag, Red Air, and even the fire department.
I can only tell someone so many times it seems. I have been there and seen the "official name sign". Is that not good enough for you? I suppose active ignorance is in effect.
Have you been in the facility? If so I stand so corrected....
Hmm I suppose the same Detachment has a precence at other FACILITIES must mean now these other bases or airfields now are called a detachment of Edwards.... Been there also.
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Read my entire post in a calm manner and LISTEN to what I type before boasting. I personally thought this conversation was amusing and meant to be humourous until the ignorance card was played, at which point I decided to provide a counter arguement. If given those arguements you still disagree, then to each their own.
<< Is this worth huffing and puffing over? >>
I simply pointed out the fact that the base is officially refered to as Edward's Air Force Base's AFFTC Detatchement 3 by the government and gave some logical supporting arguements. When the base is reffered to in official documents, it's not called Area 51, or Groom Lake Facilities, or Dreamland, simply as DET3-AFFTC.
It's located at Groom Lake Nevada, 40 km away from the town of Rachel. Honestly, if this is gonna be a pissing contest over whose older, whose done this, whose done that, yaddyyadda, Hiway you can win it. I'd rather discuss this big roll of toilet paper, sounds a lot more interesting. Maybe you can let us know how it was engineered?
- Lord Kranar, human Archwizard
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Originally posted by LordKranar:
Honestly, if this is gonna be a pissing contest over whose older, whose done this, whose done that, yaddyyadda, Hiway you can win it.
Well said, Kranar.
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quote:
Originally posted by LordKranar:
<< Hmm I suppose the same Detachment has a precence at other FACILITIES must mean now these other bases or airfields now are called a detachment of Edwards.... Been there also. >>Read my entire post in a calm manner and LISTEN to what I type before boasting.
<< Is this worth huffing and puffing over? >>
I simply pointed out the fact that the base is officially refered to as Edward's Air Force Base's AFFTC Detatchement 3 by the government and gave some logical supporting arguements. When the base is reffered to in official documents, it's not called Area 51, or Groom Lake Facilities, or Dreamland, simply as DET3-AFFTC.
It's located at Groom Lake Nevada, 40 km away from the town of Rachel. Honestly, if this is gonna be a pissing contest over whose older, whose done this, whose done that, yaddyyadda, Hiway you can win it. I'd rather discuss this big roll of toilet paper, sounds a lot more interesting.
- Lord Kranar, human Archwizard
[This message has been edited by LordKranar (edited 12-06-2001).]
I did read the entire post. I know what the facility is referred to officially and even took the time to look it up via official documents right here in my Safety office.
The office or detachment is not an address or a facility. In fact the detachment you refer to is not even based there. They are based out of Edwards and move to different facilities depending on the task or mission on hand.
Hmm... Looking at an old safety briefing that same unit was even based at Tonapah. I wonder how this "place of DET3 AFFTC" can move about so much if it is so anchored.
Yes that "UNIT" is referred to as that name. It is ONE of many units that have been there amongst others.
The fact is DOE runs the place. Department of Energy. Not the Air Force.... The Air Force may have a detachment there. I know of other addresses of units that are also there.
And why is it so hard to understand that I have personally seen the name first hand, I have actually been in a DET before which roamed to WSMR to China Lake to Chocolate Mountain to timbuktu.
I actually know what I am talking about.
Your facts are not facts. They are misapplied knowledge that are true names of units not bases. Groom Lake is not a "base" in a classical sense.
The very fact it is a DET, yes detachment means in it's very design that the unit is detached, as in fragmented to go somewhere else.
I don't simply know how to make it any more clear. Squadrons, wings, detachments, numbered Air Forces actually do not mean physical property. You can ask anyone how many times different squadrons have been based here or there at physically different home bases. Units move, facilities do not.
It isn't matter of winning. It is just plain common sense and how things work in the military or how government agencies name personnel organizations and facilities...
Hiway-::waves a white flag:::
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Snoop D-O-G-G?
I really, really hate to hear that. Not that I have any reason to particularly like him...
Hell, one of my best friends was shot in the eye with a pellet gun at his concert in Lubbock. ::shakes head:: Why do drunk people think it's fun to play with firearms?
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