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Then ya'll go and pull this shtick. After ya get mods going over the top on the boards and getting their own posts pulled, starting flamewars and all kinds of good things.

I was pretty down on Simu within 6 months of playing the game. I was convinced that they were hiring crackhead GMs who wouldn't recognize a clue if it were shoved two feet up their ass.

After reading this board for a while and seeing what happens, I see what they have to deal with. I'd be a hardcase too after a while. I'd probably be even more of a prick, since I don't care HOW much you're paying a month, if you're causing trouble for others then you're not worth it.

Pot, meet kettle. Peace out.
reg

reg

Wait. That sounds like something I've heard a few times before. I can't remember where though... reg

I thought I replied quick.

You guys make me look like a weenie.

It's just that anything regarding staff sleeping with people is simply immature in my opinion.

If you really have a problem with it...

Click Here

[This message has been edited by Omni (edited 10-01-2001).] reg

However I am looking into it. As I have stated on the top of the boards I have taken a small leave of absence and just recently got back to being a full time admin.

I would also remind people that before we start huge public flame wars that if you have an issue with something posted here to please drop me a note.

Kranar and I both took a extended vacation from the boards for a while so I am not currently up to date with whats going on.

My door is always open and I am more then willing to discuss with anyone what their beefs are.

My e-mail is buckwheet@whee.org and you can always contact me there.

I see no reason to remove this thread and I think lumping everyone who posts here into one category or the next is incorrect.

Buckwheet reg

I have reviwed the situation and it seems that a couple things had to have happened for this to take place and I will say that no dirty laundry will get to be aired today.

Since NOI you had access to, or someone you know is a mod on my board and forwarded you posts made in the MOD section it has underminded the trust and respect I once had for my MODS.

Since you have this information then you know the few people who made the posts and you can feel free to take this discussion up with them in private. It was posted in a secure forum so in essence it was like a private meeting and you had a friend tape it for you.

I am sure everyone who reads these boards has a conversation with someone else about some other player, weather that player is me, or you, or Timbuktu 99% of the time you aren't going to discuss it over dinner with the person. I am sure you have had conversations about the parties involved behind closed doors and you would rather not debate that with them in a open forum.

Therefore as the board owner I will not condone this type of action of my Mods and I will not tolerate mods giving access to the mod folder.

At this point in time it would be best if the Mod who granted access please drop me a note so we can discuss.

However I can not apologize for you eavesdropping in on a private conversation and hearing something you didn't want to hear.

If you have further questions or concerns please e-mail me at buckwheet@whee.org

Thank you,

Buckwheet reg

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Originally posted by Buckwheet:
Okay,

I have reviwed the situation and it seems that a couple things had to have happened for this to take place and I will say that no dirty laundry will get to be aired today.

Since NOI you had access to, or someone you know is a mod on my board and forwarded you posts made in the MOD section it has underminded the trust and respect I once had for my MODS.

Since you have this information then you know the few people who made the posts and you can feel free to take this discussion up with them in private. It was posted in a secure forum so in essence it was like a private meeting and you had a friend tape it for you.

I am sure everyone who reads these boards has a conversation with someone else about some other player, weather that player is me, or you, or Timbuktu 99% of the time you aren't going to discuss it over dinner with the person. I am sure you have had conversations about the parties involved behind closed doors and you would rather not debate that with them in a open forum.

Therefore as the board owner I will not condone this type of action of my Mods and I will not tolerate mods giving access to the mod folder.

At this point in time it would be best if the Mod who granted access please drop me a note so we can discuss.

However I can not apologize for you eavesdropping in on a private conversation and hearing something you didn't want to hear.

If you have further questions or concerns please e-mail me at buckwheet@whee.org

Thank you,

Buckwheet

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As I posted in the mod folder...my trust has been lost in terms of posting in the mod folder.

However...I appreciate the idea of publically handling this issue Buckwheet.

Thank you. reg

I could care less about your apology. I'm just saying that if they want to talk shit about me or anyone else, let's do it here. Obviously the Mod folder is not a private place. You have several mods, so conversations there are not personal things between two people in IMs or in person.

Talking crap about how other people look in your Mod folder is just as bad as that stupid site Scintillion made. If your mods want to discuss how I look or how anyone else looks, maybe they should bring it to the open and post their own pictures so we can critique them as well. It's only fair, right?

And I didn't eavesdrop on anything. It's not like I hacked my way in to your Mod folder to read that garbage. Someone e-mailed it to me who had gotten it from someone else. Believe me, I'd rather not have to see that crap.

So maybe you should ask your Mods to take their ugly gossip to private e-mails or IMs instead of posting it in the Mod folder where other Mods who don't like reading that stuff will have to see it.

[This message has been edited by NoOneImportant (edited 10-02-2001).] reg

No dirty laundry will get aired today.

As for what my mods do while I am away, thats up to them to decide. If other mods felt it was getting out of hand they could and should have said something.

I personally don't get involved with sending pictures and I believe the persons involved all have pictures from Simucon you can look up on your own time.

Comparing these boards to Scints site will not stand. I do not condone the posts made and you also got more compliments then being made fun of.

That is beside the point. Bottom line is information in a private forum was distributed without the owners consent and several other personal topics are discussed in there. I can only imagine what else you have recieved.

Buckwheet reg

You know, I bet it really stinks when you know there's some leak from someone you trusted. Probably even worse when something that was never meant to get out does, then starts getting spread all over the place.

The best part is, for all you know there's some little schmuck without a life who's got who knows what now. Some twit who doesn't really seem to have a purpose beyond being annoying and trying to stir up trouble. Someone like- oh, wait. Names would probably be a bad thing. Private folder, these are the mods that we trust to keep things under control here and all that.

I could go and repeat stuff I've read off the Simu boards about five minutes before the post got deleted. About cover-ups and conspiracies and protecting your own and how I know this is going to be deleted too because you people are trying to run your own little kingdom. But that would be counter-productive and could get this deleted, just like it did on those boards. I've had enough of my posts over there deleted to know about that.

So instead of that, I got one question:

How do I get to be a mod and learn who's good to bang and who's not?

Peace out reg

I have no clue who sent out the posts. I also have no idea who wrote them. All I got was the time/date it was posted and the message, not the authors. So you understand how it can be kinda difficult to take it up with them personally.

I didn't solicit the information nor did I receive it from anyone who is a Mod. Once I got the six or seven posts I asked around to see if anyone had the entire thread, but didn't hear anything except that your Mods were discussing who supposedly slept with David Whatley to get their job.

If you're going to pull flames out here on the public boards, you shouldn't let your Mods flame away on the private ones. Someone always talks. Tell them to take it to e-mails or IMs.

My opinion (and this is a suggestion only) is that the Mod boards should be for Mod concerns/issues and not for flaming your readers. Obviously, these are your boards and not mine so what I say doesn't matter. I just think you should think twice before allowing that sort of thing on your boards again. ::shrug:: reg

I have nothing to hide.

This is what I look like. Big whoop. I found my soulmate and we are getting married and I could care less what everyone thinks about how I look. Like I stated before I am happy with my life and I have nothing to hide from anyone.

For laughs I also posted a pic of the church and the alter were I will be getting married. So show up with your ooze in hand ready to take revenge on the nasty board owner! So comment away.

Buckwheet

PS. I am 6 feet tall with size 12 shoes. I like jeans and t-shirts and when its cool out flannels as you can see by the pic. I weigh 145 pounds and at last count had 7.5% body fat. I can run a mile in about 6 minutes and I play hockey and baseball along with being a computer nerd. I love computer networking and watching movies.

Lets see what else can I give you to make fun of me? Hmm...

Oh yah I only got my girl a 1ct diamond engagement ring, I am a cheap jerk eh?

Lesse...what else...

I dunno. Lets just make fun of Buckwheet eh?

Oh there ya go! My nickname! Make fun of that...heh.

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[This message has been edited by Buckwheet (edited 10-02-2001).] reg

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<runs for cover>

edge reg

NOI...

I _do_ feel that the post was incredibly out of hand in regards to the "possibility" of a relationship between you and someone else. It was also in this post that your "thought-of" identity was also revealed. Yet again, I did not make a reply.

I _do_ think that posts like that should not be held in private...they should not be held @ all if possible.

I thought that these boards were doing incredibly well for quite sometime...now a post that was made in the mod folder I believe a week or two ago (estimation...i haven't checked exactly) is going to cause a huge stir among these boards and the mods that up-keep them...it's sad.

I don't mean to say that this is a completely devistating blow to these boards...however I do feel that integrity has been questioned here in a way that it has needed to be for a long while.

NOI...I respect your concern...I'd be concerned...and I hope that we can resolve this in a matter that keeps you here on the boards.
reg

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Originally posted by Buckwheet:
Allright then.

<mass snippage>

I dunno. Lets just make fun of Buckwheet eh?

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Huh. Okay, I wasn't getting my target across. By the "little schmuck without a life..." comment, I meant the prick on the message boards who for some reason has to try to prove how evil the people running them are or has some grudge that he won't drop. Whether that be yours truly at the keyboard here, or someone pulling the same stunts on the Simu boards (then running here when they can him) I leave to the reader to decide.

Since I apparently can't be a mod and learn all the neat stuff about who's hot and who's not, I got a different question:

Was that "show up with your ooze in hand" or "show up with your booze in hand"? Because if there's free beer, I'm there.

Specto, the guy you'd dust on the first mile but would give you a run for your money on the second.

Peace out reg

Nothing to worry about, heck... check out the site. It has a collection of Whatley's photography and personal journals.

- Lord Kranar, human Archwizard reg

I've read this thread before I read the thread in question, and it seems to me that things got way too exagerrated.

- Lord Kranar, human Archwizard reg

Mike

Zanagan reg

I though perhaps some of you might be interested in my oppinion. Just so you know that is what these boards are about. Hell i don't think Buckwheet or Kranar would care if we moved that to the off-topic. In a sense that is what the Moderator section is anyways. It has tons of off-topic stuff and its just us depriving you information. Most the time its worthless to you anyways. By the way NOI I have no clue who you are still. Call me dumb, but I don't know really who any of em are. I am just familar with Whatley and Mellisa of Simu because of people talk about them here. And to be perfectly honest I really do not care whom either of them are because they do not effect me in anyway. I just look at them as another poster with an oppinion. Oh yeah now that you have gotten my two cents go around and spread rumors about how I am a cold hearted bastard. Which I will not deny that I am and perhaps I have payed my debts for being one.

Also, please don't spread this rumor cause I think Buckwheet got married at a hot alter. I mean think about how that effects his life and now how I have in theory destroyed it. Which I hope I have because Buckwheet is such a cold hearted bastard for allowing people to post their oppinions about things and giving all of us people a place to chat without restriction.

Last thing, If anyone knows who that girl in black is, I would love her phone number. I really hope it is not NOI cause I do not know if I could deal with that attitude and yet the body at the same time.

Lord Deprav
"Do not get attached to something to the point where you cannot let go within 30 seconds when you feel the heat." ~Robert Deniro~

"We're all riders of the storm" ~Johnny Depp~

"Re-Spect-Walk. What do you say?"~Pantara~ reg

Heh I know that's off topic. Look, this whole board isn't responsible for the actions of a few. I have a bet or two where the leak came from, but since I have NO proof, I'll keep it mum. As much as I disagree with some of the mods here, most of them are fair minded, don't let this get out of hand, there are too many good people here.

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He who laughs last, didn't get the joke. reg

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You're obviously not a golfer. reg

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You're obviously not a golfer. reg

lol

lol

Hahahahahahahaha!

Funny. Someone gave the link to a friend who then wrote Melissa saying that Scint was at it again.

Saying that Whatley's site was trashy.

To funny!

lol

edge reg

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Originally posted by Theonic:
Pretty church, Izzat Greek or Russian Orthodox?

Heh I know that's off topic. Look, this whole board isn't responsible for the actions of a few. I have a bet or two where the leak came from, but since I have NO proof, I'll keep it mum. As much as I disagree with some of the mods here, most of them are fair minded, don't let this get out of hand, there are too many good people here.

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Russian.

Buckwheet reg

This certainly is true, we are all part of these boards, everyone who posts here and are all welcome to contribute.

But let's keep in mind that this really is making a big deal of something extremely small. I found out how this happened, no moderator actually leaked out the thread, and I even considered since people seem to be making a big deal out of this to even make the moderator folder available for public viewing for a few days.

There isn't much confidential discussion that goes on there, other than our plans for global domination. But of course, that's only my opinion, many moderators may feel they wish to keep that folder confidential and in that case if you feel strongly offended or afraid that there are posts in that forum made about you meant to insult you, there is little that can be done.

Hopefully members of these boards won't have to feel that way and it won't come to that and of course if it truely is a strong concern of yours you're free to e-mail both Buckwheet and I about it so we can look into it.

- Lord Kranar, human Archwizard reg

The insults are lacking today!!

I feel depressed.

::sigh::

Atleast I didn't get more then one comment!

Blah.

Buckwheet reg

NOI, you've given yourself away by taking personal claim to the subject matter of the posts. So now everyone knows you're that girl in black who Deprav is dying to get into the sack with.

Sorry Deprav...I guess you're SOL.

NOI, not a smart move on your part. If you had a problem with any of us - you should've done what Buckwheat has been telling everyone all along. Take it up with him.

As for who leaked what - not my place to know, and not my place to say if I did. But I also agree that this entire matter is totally and completely blown WAY out of proportion and thoroughly exaggerated by the chain of people who passed the information along.

Roberta
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You're wrong. Someone leaked the thread. I have exact copies (ok, exact minus the author) of half a dozen or more of the posts.

And Roberta, who cares if I gave myself away? It should be my choice whether to do it or not and I chose to do it. I don't see why you'd care about that. Besides that, Edgeleaf decided it would be cool to "out" me on the public boards at least twice before this whole thing so it's not like my identity was still a secret.

The whole point is this - If anyone here got in their e-mail box a bunch of posts from a GM only board bashing their friends and them, they would be pretty pissed off. Why should this be any different? Cause you're not GMs? So what. You're in positions of authority on this board which is the same damn thing in my opinion.

Whether you like the people who post here or not, you should still respect them enough not to bash them in your Mod folder (which is not a very private place). Calling my friend a 'shedonkey' is not really a compliment.

Talking about how you want to bang me and then saying "well, she's not that hot look at her Simucon pics" aren't exactly compliments either. Sorry if I should be taking them that way, but I'm not. (By the way, who the hell looks good in all of their Simucon pics?)

[This message has been edited by NoOneImportant (edited 10-02-2001).] reg

Well, I already said that I had copies of the posts with date/time and what was said but no authors. Kind of difficult to take it up with you all personally when I don't know who said what. reg

But then, perhaps it's because you lack my intelligence and wit, as you posted previously.

reg

Just got this e-mail and I thought it was humerous it has been edited for language and of course I don't think its believeable but here goes.

Dear Chris,

I just read through your boards and I must say you are sooo cute!! I just wanted to say I really like your boards and your attitude towards things in life. If you get your tounge pierced and get a ticket to PA look me up for some fun!

Love ya!

I gotta keep telling my self your a engaged man, your a engaged man...

Buckwheet

Hmmm...Anyone wanna go in my stead? reg

Mike

Zanagan reg

No one likes to be gossiped about. But that's human nature I guess.

I hate to ruin my dog-like reputation, but I'm not sleeping with any Simutronics employees. I do have many friends, though, and many are female. And, yes, they are attractive. And yes, some of them are even kind enough to play model for me and my photography hobby. In return, they get very flattering pictures to show off.

I’ve been with people who play GemStone III… those are the folks I’m around. No big surprise. But the fact is, no one has ever gotten a job because of an intimate relationship with me. No one I've had such a relationship with has even asked for such a thing.

And, for the record, yes... she is as hot as that picture indicated. Got a 9.6 on hotornot.com, after many thousands of votes. See how many of you can do better. <wink>

Believe me, Simucon photos mean nothing... take a super model, have them stay up for 72 hours, drink too much, lounge around in simucon t-shirts and have their picture taken with an Instamatic-crap-2000 camera with the built-in harsh-a-matic-flash-2000 by a complete armature with no lighting, blocking or even much care and see what you get. <grin>

The fact is, a camera generally makes people look awful. How many people like pictures of themselves? This is because cameras don't see people the way our eyes do and it requires a great deal of skill to overcome those problems. You have to use special lighting or your features will get distorted (the flattening effect of a straight-on instamatic camera flash), and the other problem is that most people have what is called "camera face" which is a bizarre expression they make whenever someone points a camera at them. It requires someone with good teaching and interpersonal skills to help someone over that problem.

A good photographer knows how to overcome all of those things and generate pictures that really capture the attractiveness in anyone. This isn't a camera trick... it's just better reflecting reality. And, that’s one of my hobbies.

It’s painful that someone would use this to cast aspersions on others. Or to make rude remarks, but I guess that’s the kind of environment we find ourselves. I’ve toned down the photos on my site for this very reason. It’s sad, but there isn’t much to be done about it.

Now, if any of you say anything bad about anyone on my site again… I’m going to have GSLawyer sue your butts into the stone ages. And he’ll do it too!

-- David
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Originally posted by Sayrena:
As for these boards, I don't think I or the person who exposed the thread are your enemy and not to be trusted. I'd be more concerned about the instigator of the thread and their continued use of these boards to orchestrate and advance their personal attacks against the employees of Simutronics.

~Sayrena

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I just wanted to say ... very good point, Sayrena. reg

Yeah... what he said!

(duck) reg

Friday afternoon, Sayrena and I were discussing a personal and emotional issue in IM. We were both kind of sick of the whole matter, and I decided to talk about something else. I asked if she had seen Whatley's site and she said she hadn't, so I sent her the link. We discussed our opinions about it, and without naming names, I shared some of the opinions the mods had about it.

I was wrong to share anything that was said in the Mods section. I have apologized and admitted my mistake in the Mods section. I know I won't make the same mistake again! I'm sure I broke some "moderator law" that I didn't take the time to read. I have offered to resign, or slice off my head, whatever works best.

Not to try to excuse, or justify my actions, but I post under the name of my GS character and stand behind anything that I post, good or bad. I know I wouldn't have any problem with people reading anything that I have posted. I didn't stop to consider others may not feel like that, or that I was violating a trust.

Again, my sincere apologies to all the moderators here.

Summer
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-- David>>

God forbid the GSLawyer finishes up all of edgeleaf's friend's rip off silver and character sale cases.

Sonic reg

I thought the pictures were great, your camera and your skill could probably make even me look like a model! Well..okay maybe a petite, hawk-nosed, chinless model. But imperfections can be exploited and made to look like features, no?

Just don't ever do my left profile. It sucks eggs.

R
reg

Sonic

JOKE reg

I think pics of me look fine, even on a kodak disposable camera, being up for like 3 days tripping on like 30 hits of acid etc.

That camera you got must be like magical or somethig.

Mike

Zanagan/Zarosa

Mike

Zanagan/Zarosa reg

Lord Deprav
Still waiting on that phone number.
"I have more money than David Whatley!"~Lord Deprav~ reg

BTW I have been jealous of every mod here for the past several days, some days it seemed like the mod forum was the only place with a good discussion going on, it was the only lightbulb consistently lit when I signed on...

PS Buckwheet, I was pretty sure it was Russian, but the Greek ones look pretty similar from the inside. I looked into almost everything before realizing I'm an atheist

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He who laughs last, didn't get the joke.

[This message has been edited by Theonic (edited 10-03-2001).] reg

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Originally posted by Theonic:
I don't think anyone knew they were talking about you in particular NOI, but I would still go batty....

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You're obviously not a golfer. reg

Hmm well maybe you shouldn't. It's really horrible stuff. I mean - if someone wrote things like that about me I'd just sit there and weep like a baby. Maybe tell my mom or something.

Then again, it isn't nearly as bad as what we write about all the rest of ya. We're brutal I tell ya! Merciless!

Mwuhahahahaha
reg

Apart from that, the thread in discussion only had 6 posts and then died.

- Lord Kranar, human Archwizard reg

I don't know what the big deal is, when i heard through a seven tiered rumor chain that every female simu employee wanted to have sex with me, i wasn't upset.

'lood
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Originally posted by Theonic:
I don't think anyone knew they were talking about you in particular NOI, but I would still go batty....

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There were two people being "discussed." One was me (and yes, they knew it was me) and the other is a Simu employee. reg

Sonic reg

Lord Deprav
Just the internet. reg

Only person that was looked down upon in the thread was you. Because of your posing style in a motel 8 room. Plus, your living arrangements got commented on.

Melissa was not looked down upon. Hers was in a studio setting and not motel 8. Plus, the comment made about her was. Wow, I thought she was hotter in person. Uh oh. Better run now Zanagan. Plus there is another employee on the page.

It's now over with. The page was fixed to be more pc.

You brought this upon yourself. Erotic pic on the net. HELLO! The interenet is public domain. Think it wouldn't get around? Then you are mad because we discussed a sleezy picture on the net? In a private forum even. Go figure.

But if you really wish to push the issue....Lots of stuff that wasn't said.

edge
reg

Kranar, I'm not really mod material, I don't know a lot about anything, but a little about a lot of things, and I have a pretty bad temper sometimes....

'lood, I know you from somewhere.... ::whistles innocently and wanders away::

Buckwheet, you're a meanie and a poopydoodiehead! (Insults aren't my specialty, but we aim to please)

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He who laughs last, didn't get the joke. reg

However I as several other people have said, it was unfortunate, and for that we are sorry. The problem has been discoverd on my end and the people responsible have made amends to myself and the other mods.

If the person offended could care less about an apology thats their choice. I only offer it once and when in response spit is on your face, I calmly wipe it off and move on. I have much more important things to do then get spit on over and over.

Buckwheet reg

Lord Deprav
"An african swallow could carry those cocunuts. But a european swallow could not carry a cocunut." reg

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You're obviously not a golfer. reg

Other than me apologizing to the Mods for sharing some comments in the Mods section, I'm not sure who else needs to apologize. People are suppose to apologize for stating their opinions?

Comments made in this thread have offended and annoyed me much more than anything ever said in the Mods section. Somebody best start apologizing!

Summer
reg

If I am not mistaken, it was you who called the Whatley site "trashy," and it was you who asked Summerlyn to send you information to support your "opinion" because you had not viewed the site carefully. None of the moderators called the site "trashy." Are you saying that you are now prepared to apologize for your opinion?

And if you are not, are you still insisting that everybody else apologize for their opinions?

It is obvious that that web site was set up to generate traffic to that site. Otherwise, why was it set up? And if the site is open to the world for viewing, the webmaster and the clients that he/she represents should understand that not everybody in the world will have the same opinion about the pictures on the site.

The bottom line is that it is up to the sender to communicate what their intent and message is, and not the receiver's. If the receiver gets the wrong message, it is up to the sender to adjust so that the correct message is sent. This has apparently been done by David (and I applaud him for recognizing how to improve his site) as he stated in his post that he already had been getting comments about the photos, and he had to tone them down.

If they don't want comments made about content on their web site, then they shouldn't post the content.

And just for general information, a good portion of the world's men population would consider the women in the photos not to our liking because they are too skinny. We like our women "healthy." Do you expect us to apologize for that opinion?

Gandmor

::Who goes back to baking cookies::
reg

However if I choose to start editing everyone's opinions then the purpose of these boards will be lost. People saw some pictures, people commented on them. Some gave great reviews, others gave bad ones. It was in a less restrictive posting enviornment then the rest of the boards.

I had sent that link to several friends and all of them gave mixed responses. Some said it was great artisticaly, some said it was bad taste, some said it didn't do anything for them.

Regardless of what everyone says, all that matters in the end is how the person feels about having a certain picture of themselves on the web.

Also what people are failing to realize is that the DAY OF the first posting was my FIRST day back from my extended vacation from the boards. So I guess by my lack of involvement I am now guilty of something.

Kranar and I were on extended leave due to person situations and the people in charge were our mods. If readers of this board as a whole can't understand that then I guess thats how they are going to have to feel.

The comments were made, they can't be taken back, and the fact that the person who was "insulted" refused to take the issue private we now get to deal with hurt feelings in public.

I personally did not make those comments, I did not tell someone to make them, nor did I publish them in a manner in which would support or promote this type of behavior.

So before you start accusing me of aiding or contributing to this try and remember there are people behind the keyboard that are typing these comments and feelings and that in no way am I telling them what to write or what not to write.

This is what makes these boards unique. People can express their opinions in a manner in which shouldn't be flaming and disrespectful to other members of the community.

What we have here is someone made some posts, and before the people in charge could remove or edit them they were sent all over in mass distribution. I am sure all of you have gotten some of those messages from he official board that are removed, but you got to read them before they did.

This is what happened here folks and instead of doing the small unpublic thing the person offended wrote a public letter to address this is public. So thats where we are and since it is public I have to give the same amount of leway to this topic as I would any other topic. By bringing this topic public my hands have been tied and I MUST follow my own rules and guidlines as to what and what will not be seen on these boards.

This could have all been averted if the lecture about the behavior of 2-3 mods had been expressed in a private e-mail to me. I could have handled it myself. And it would have alerted me to the situation instead of people getting involved that have nothing to do with the situation.

So go ahead and crucify me, crucify my mods, and crucify these boards if you want to.

The mods have already 100% agreed to think about what they post in the mod volder.

At this point though there is nothing more I can do, and I don't think there is much more I am willing to do. But it is almost pointless to contiue beating this dead horse, because I offered the apology was told go to hell, Summer apologized to me for the fiasco and I accepted.

If people want to contiue to disciss this then feel free, however this is my last post on this topic in a public forum.

I will only monitor the situation.

Buckwheet

[This message has been edited by Buckwheet (edited 10-04-2001).] reg

Uhhh?

Sonic
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He who laughs last, didn't get the joke. reg

Sonic reg

Yes, we all condone that type of treatment... we're all just devils who like to abuse one another and laugh at other peoples faults and the Player's Corner should be shutdown so that everyone can go posting on Sayrena's boards. Does that make you happy?

Sorry for the sarcasm, but really, give me a break... this is getting a little old now, usually I am calm and cool about things like this and do wish to help out and get it resolved, but this is really rediculous.

What other silly accusations towards me is going to stem from this? Do you blame President Bush for condoning pornography and snuff videos since his country allows for it? Is this a real concern of yours Sayrena or is this just an attempt to e-mail the head of Simu telling them that "Scint" is at it again so they can ban my character and shutdown these boards? I think this has stopped being a legitimate concern about how a member may have felt wrongly treated, and more of a way for someone to try and defame us.

Treatment of a fellow human being... whatever, next thing you know I'll be compared to Hitler.

- Lord Kranar, human Archwizard

[This message has been edited by LordKranar (edited 10-04-2001).] reg

Since when the hell has killing sluts on film become legal?

I must be really out of the loop.

Sonic reg

I'm getting married in hmmm... 15 days, 25 minutes and counting!! (gulp!)

whooop! You didn't want personal comments about his site on here.. I'll just delete them!

[This message has been edited by Rhain (edited 10-04-2001).] reg

Let's make a distinction here.

Killing someone is illegal. But having a video tape of someone being killed isn't in the U.S. A prosecutor would obviously charge the filmer for murder, but even so if the filmer put the video up on the internet or reproduced it and gave it away to others, there is no law in the U.S. that would prohibit it's continued distribution.

Snuff material falls under the same rules and regulations as pornography does. But in anycase the point I was making is that it's faulty to blame me or to try and discredit me because of what someone thinks someone else said.

- Lord Kranar, human Archwizard reg

Sonic reg

Mike

Zanagan/Zarosa reg

That people who were admittedly "curious" enough about the web site got the URL and went to look at it, then were offended in some manner or to some degree enough to complain to the owner of the web site.

You know what? Boo hoo. It was your choice, no one held a gun to your head and said look. Who did it hurt? No one.

Think again, if you're going to make outrageous comparisons...

Are the people who CREATED it sharing it in the game... like the infamous Scintillion site was? I'd be willing to bet pretty much that no, they aren't, not to the degree and manner as other sites have been shared. Group mass whispers, anyone? Thinking privately to everyone over the amunet they know...

Was the site done as an attack or parody on people? If you answer yes, go back and look at the content again, because you missed something.

One of these days, my site will launch. And if you find any of it offensive, then you know what? All you have to do is close your browser, move onto another site, and not save it as a favorite.

And take the victim sign off your back.

--A. reg

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Originally posted by Lord Deprav:
Thats you oppinion man. I know she looked ugly back in the day I remember seeing her she just started wwf almost 6 years ago when she was still married to Triple H. Of course gotta love technology. Make the ugliest of people pretty. Just my oppinion though. ::shrug:: If yah don't like the wild asian girls then oh well.

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At the risk of sounding like the hippie I once was, I have to degree with Deprav here, that Chyna (spelled correctly) is beautiful. But that's probably because over my long life, I can look at almost anyone and see beauty in them, and they become beautiful to me.

If you're going to limit yourself to only thinking those with a pretty package outside are the beauties of the world, you're going to miss a lot of wonderful people.

I wouldn't call any of my lovers models, or even to some degree attractive, yet there was something about them that made them the best-looking thing in the world to me, enough so that when they entered or room I'd light up with a smile in my eyes and on my lips. Even the fact that my most recent boyfriend gained about 50 pounds while we lived together didn't make me think him any less attractive, especially when we'd gaze into each others eyes, or lie curved up against each other in the night, watching the stars above, through the skylight.

Picking on people for what they look like is petty and immature. And those of you who want to brag about how hot you are... take a photo and post it when you're 40.

I'd like to applaud David for his artistic vision, as well as the women who have trusted his camera. And shake my head at those who want to make assumptions based on poses or dress in those photos.

Now... where did I put that photo of me in nothing by a black lace shawl...

--A.
reg

[This message has been edited by SG (edited 10-05-2001).] reg

heh I WONDER why your most recent boyfriend gained 50 lbs while living with you heh.

I assosciate with people even if they aren't considered attractive, but I let them know they are ugly, but they don't seem to care cause they laugh it off.

I find it hard to believe a hot babe like Andraste dated unattractive men..sheeesh

Mike

Zanagan/Zarosa

Thats worth an alter please.
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You're obviously not a golfer. reg

IF a girl (or guy) dresses in nothing but daisy dukes and 2 tassels she is asking for commentary. If the commentors are polite she will not hear of it, but it will still be there. Trashy is subjective, and one mans trashy is another mans treasure.

This doesn't apply in NOI's case at all however, since the commentary was made in private and then brought to her by a "friend" who wanted her to know how her feelings should be hurt. A real friend might defend her in private, and might privately tell her that she might want to change her outfit, but the only purpose it served to bring the information to her about what was being said was to hurt her feelings So, of course they were, and now all this.

NOI you are being childish in not accepting apologies, it can't be taken back, it can't be undone, the only place to go from here is forward and the board guys have said they are making the effort to ensure it doesn't happen again. That's all anyone can do.

NOI's friends, let it go too, you're stirring up dung better left as fertilizer.

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Try not to burn your fingers when you play with fire... reg

Excellent points

Where have you been all my life? <laugh>

Give this entire thing up.

And as Andraste says...take the victim sign off your back. There's nothing worse than coming out and just letting people know that you're a victim. It doesn't work well.

[This message has been edited by Omni (edited 10-05-2001).] reg

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Originally posted by Amelia:
NOI you are being childish in not accepting apologies...

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I think the main reason for this might be because the apology will be worth something less than the electrons used to send it. For some reason, Edgeleaf has decided that he will carry out a vendetta against NOI. He has chosen these boards as a venue for it. I know of at least three seperate areas where he has done this. He also happens to be a moderator for the Player's Coerner.

What I find truly ironic is that many people who post here have claimed a situation much like that exists in Gemstone and on the Simutronics boards. Man, if you can't trust other players, who can you trust, huh?

Now if you'll excuse me, I think I just heard about a mystery backpack that's worth ***WAY MORE*** than it's currently selling for...
reg

Yeah know though I might be considered to be a hyprocrit anyways. Cause some people who perhaps aren't the most attractive people on the outside I do not give the time of day. Of course there are alot of people that I will not give the time of day. Perhaps its just because I just do not want to hurt anyone else. Just my two cents.

Lord Deprav
"I'm not like them, I can pretend. The sun is gone, but I have a light. The day is dawn, but I am having fun. I think I am dumb or maybe just happy."~Nirvana 1988-1994~ reg

You are blowing hot air out your arse Specto.

I post a link to a pic I thought was sleezy in a private forum. Wouldn't it be more personal if I made it public? Plus, she has lots of skeletons I could mention.

I have never said anything on the official boards about her.

I have never spoken with her ingame.

I would NOT speak with her at Simucon though. But I didn't want to. She hung all over everybody. Not someone I wanted to know. She did try to speak with me though.

I did NOT post anything on her site.

It seems you are making it personal Speto.

Gotta love it when people call you out. But yet hide behind a fake name....

::chuckle::

edge

[This message has been edited by edge (edited 10-05-2001).] reg

This has to be the most immature flaming/attack session I've ever read.

We have the public/private debate.

Personal attacks on Edge.

Basically the teaming up of Specto/NOI vs. world.

I'm completely lost and I feel that this is just bringing out the immaturity in a lot of people that I thoroughly respected before this folder was created.

I think the issue should be dropped and it's gotten out of hand.

Take the apologies...quit the whining... reg

It's amazing to me though. We are suppose to the BAD people.....

Gemstone seems to attract backstabbers.

Scint backstabbed everyone he knew. So try and not compare us with him.

Got a problem with one of us? We have made it very easy to talk to us about it.

But it's personal I can see.

edge reg

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Originally posted by edge:
Ya, I really enjoyed how we was accused of making trashy Scint websites. Was kinda funny. But what I am sorry about is. How Summer got betrayed by her friend. If anyone owes anybody a apology. It's you(Sayrena) to Summer. Trust is something that when you lose it. Will never be fully there again.

It's amazing to me though. We are suppose to the BAD people.....

Gemstone seems to attract backstabbers.

Scint backstabbed everyone he knew. So try and not compare us with him.

Got a problem with one of us? We have made it very easy to talk to us about it.

But it's personal I can see.

edge

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Yes personal attacks aren't acceptable in my opinion. Especially in a form where one of the people attacking is not present. reg

There is nothing worse than a traitor, nothing.

Sonic reg

Most people, however, realize at some point that no one thinks they're witty, smart, funny, or cool for doing so anymore. Not to mention how "high school" it is.

heh I WONDER why your most recent boyfriend gained 50 lbs while living with you heh.

Probably because I happen to be a gourmet chef. And probably for the reason most America is... fast food, poor eating habits, lack of exercise, a comfortable lifestyle.

I assosciate with people even if they aren't considered attractive, but I let them know they are ugly, but they don't seem to care cause they laugh it off.

Thanks for letting me know who to skirt at SimuCon. I'll be looking for people who have content and conversation to offer, than deal with people who judge others based on the superficial. Just as likely, they're equally shallow.

I find it hard to believe a hot babe like Andraste dated unattractive men..sheeesh

Mike

Hmmm... Andraste is the name of a fictional GM persona. She doesn't date anyone. : :indicates a line on the ground, on which one side has been painted with the word "fantasy" and the other side has been painted with the word "reality"::

As for unattractive men... as long as that description doesn't include a lacking of hygienic care or manners... unattractive men are more likely to catch a woman's attention for one simple reason:

They don't have to prove they're as pretty as they look, nor do we have to fight them for time in the bathroom or space in the mirror. Instead they make it up in other ways... other ways that really count with a woman. Oh, I'm not saying that a pretty boy can't do both, but an unattractive man goes the extra... length.

I don't want no damn peacocks in my bed, thank you.

--A.

[This message has been edited by GMAndraste (edited 10-06-2001).] reg

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Originally posted by edge:

You are blowing hot air out your arse Specto.

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I've seen the threads before they were removed. Deliberate attempts to 'out' NOI on the public sections of this board, cute remarks posted on her webpage. Yeah, I'm just imagining it. If you're going to pull a stunt like this, at least have the balls to own up to it.

Peace out reg

Seems you don't understand....

We actually didn't know 100% for sure who she was until now. Several people thought she was somebody else. But thanks for making no doubt in our minds who she is now.

If I made it personal. Like I said before. I would have harrassed her on her site. Or ingame. Or email. Or IMs. But your attempts at trying to make this into something it's not are feeble.

I posted a opinion in a PRIVATE forum. She was the one that wanted it in public. Seems you to want it public and to keep it going. Just let it die man! You are wrong. But you can keep trying if you like.

edge

reg

That's cool your a gourmet chef but if your mate is getting mad large, why don't you do him a favor and not make such great meals.

I would expect you to skirt around me, heh most of the GMs did. Although, I don't treat people the way I might on these boards, I just have a good time messing with people on these things, and the reactions are humorous. I'm actually like polite etc

Andraste don't date? you just trashed Zanagan's hopes and dreams :/

Peacock= ...?

Mike

Zanagan/Zarosa

reg

Time to close shop.

Buckwheet reg