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The Mods, our folder, and you.


In light of the recent events i would like to take the time to clarify a few things considering the moderator folder, the discussions therein, and the moderators themselves. I felt this was of significant enought importance to warrant a new topic.

First the folder itself. The moderator section is not only used to discuss board related issues, methods of moderating, voting on applications, etc. -- it is also a little community for the mods to get to know each other better. Not everything, and i would probably guess half of the things posted in the moderator folder have nothing to do with moderating, and half of those posts have nothing to do with GS at all.

For example, a month ago I posted about a movie that i saw at least one mod quote from, and i wondered if they felt the same way about the movie as I. It is also a place where we can have discussions amongst ourselves that are more lenient than normal. For example, we can use the occasional four letter word or sexual reference without someone running to mommy and mommy getting her senator to shut us down. I'll use this analogy a couple times, I liken it to your workplace. In most work places 100% of the conversation is not devoted to work related matters. In fact, i bet most conversation amonst co-workers isn't. And as maybe you wouldn't say to your co-worker friend "give me my damn stapler back" when a customer is present, you would be more incline to if one wasn't there.

Not only that, but everybody talks about their customers behind their backs. And before you say you don't, remember that customer that gave you the hard time that you talked to your co-worker about, or the hot girl that you waited on last tuesday that winked at you, or "here comes that stupid old lady again", etc. etc. I bet the Pope himself talks about lower church members behind their backs Professional? No. Human nature? your damn right.

Now about the moderators. By and large, we're a strange bunch (well, we play gemstone, so of course we have to be a little wierd.) We talk about some of the most bizarre things at times. Among our posts we have inside jokes, movie quotes, and other generally wierd things, taken out of context seem really strange (that reminds me, who had the whip last?-- i know Caels had the handcuffs...).

Taking bits of posts, or even a string of consecutive posts out of the whole mess of stuff in the mod section is not doing that post justice. ("like a child who wanders in to the middle of a movie..."-- to use an inside joke). All the fuss over this makes me really glad someone didn't leak out bits of some of the really strange stuff...

Now i'll touch base on something else. Yeah, you can liken this big mess to a GM conspiracy theory or whatever you want, say its unproffesional or something of that nature. The bottom line is, we aren't professionals. We devote alot of hours to something that we don't get paid for, and have no gaurantee of stability.

All of this could be for nothing. In two days buck could say well, im done with this whole board thing , and we're left with hundreds of hours wasted on a dead link. "We're authority figures"-- news flash, we're moderators to a message board about a text based game. Their is no standard of quality here.

In lieu of the multitudes of crap out on the web right now, your damn lucky we're this "professional".

So, to conclude: If you want to be upset, fine. I just hope i enlightened at least a few people. Maybe , just maybe, I convinced some nieve person that the next time they drive through wendies at midnight in just a bathrobe, people WILL talk about him when he drives off, and it might not be to pleasant. And they probably won't tell you , and if you get an email about it, well-- maybe you should put some clothes on...

'lood
reg

>The bottom line is, we aren't professionals. We devote alot of hours to something that we don't get paid for, and have no gaurantee of stability.

Whoa really? You're not professional? You do this out of the good of your heart and don't get paid for it?

Sounds like most of the GMs I know. reg

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Originally posted by NoOneImportant:
>The bottom line is, we aren't professionals. We devote alot of hours to something that we don't get paid for, and have no gaurantee of stability.

Whoa really? You're not professional? You do this out of the good of your heart and don't get paid for it?

Sounds like most of the GMs I know.



Some day NOI...you'll wake up and life will be happy! Everything will be happy! You'll love everyone! Player/GM/Host/Cat/Dog...

That day I can't wait for!

Also the day that you tell another player that they're wonderful...and a GM was @ fault.
reg

I believe you missed the whole point of the post, but thats ok, I'll bite on this one.

Even if they don't get paid a salary, all GM's work for simu, aka a company turning (or hopefully turning) a profit. aka professional.

These boards do not generate positive cash flow, we don't even banner advertise. And the last part of my sentence was stability. The chance of simu just saying, ok we close shop two days from now is infinite times more costly and less likely than buck doing the same thing.

but anyway, i give up...

'lood reg

<<Whoa really? You're not professional? You do this out of the good of your heart and don't get paid for it?

Sounds like most of the GMs I know. >>

You just didn't go there?

I guess those alters, padding, RPAs they got for doing there job...Ooops thats only the GHs. GMs get a pay check and can make themselves equipment.

God, I can understand that statement if you was drunk or something. Otherwise it was....Hold my tongue.

We get nothing but friendships.

I really seems like you are trying to get us to flame you. Now if I wanted to do that. I would do it on you site. Not here.

You go to college. Now form a arguement that is not all full of holes. God, I think they are being easy on you due to your friends. You would have been torn appart on the other boards.

Ya ya...looks who talking.

edge


reg

You mean it's you've given up the plots for world domination? Forget it then, I don't want to be a mod.

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He who laughs last, didn't get the joke. reg

Actually we have moved to a new policy.

We are currently taking every mods paycheck and subtracting a portion of them. I have setup a nice investment policy since the stocks are so low,(mine grew 8% yesterday alone) and when I get enough credit line I am goint to offer Simu a purchase plan for just the product line Gemstone III.

Of course once the negotiation is done, it will become Gemstone IIII no not IV but thats right IIII.

We will fire all the GM's, GH's, and Sages and make them all re-apply.

Then we will start finishing growing pains and once everything is done everyone over the current age cap will be forced to re-allocate back to 160. Don't like it? Leave.

All players will be forced to re-allocate under the new growing pains and under the new 620 roller. Solhaven will be finished, as well as Rivers Rest. Then we will tackle the Elven Nations.

Semi-dux and self cast environment? I say YES to semidux, but I would have to consult about the self cast.

Oh yes. Edge would become the GM incharge of Lockout. Kranar the GM incharge of community management. I would of course just be the big guy who helps in development.(I have a REAL nice set of Cattle Brands.)

'Lood would become the GM incharge of mechanics.

And Summerlyn would become GM of events.

Alfador and Pirub9 would be GM's of invasion.

NOI would be incharge of feedback.

GOD would fix the damn Wizard music.

And Insomniac would write a new FE WITH MP3 support!

So to sum up, while on the way to taking over the world we have other small goals...

Buckwheet
The Insane.

[This message has been edited by Buckwheet (edited 10-04-2001).] reg

Ummmmm I hate to poke holes in your grand plan.... but a portion of nothing is nothing, and therefore your stocks won't get far, thus making it difficult to offer to pay more than $23.75 or whatever the current value of your portfolio is.

Can I be in charge of waffling, confusion and disinformation??

And I SO wanted to be part of world dominion

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He who laughs last, didn't get the joke.

[This message has been edited by Theonic (edited 10-04-2001).] reg

Huh?

The mods generally work...

They get paid at their jobs, but I don't pay them. So part of their income they give to me to invest...at last check my portfolio was over six digits...

Buckwheet reg

Gads, GM of Events... I don't care how much I would have to pay Buckwheet, that would just be grand!

My first order of business would be to "organize" everyone! No more boots on your ears, and earrings on your feet! Next priority would be mandatory shopping trips. The days of just hunt, hunt, hunt would be long gone. Oh, I can just see it all now....

Summer reg

OHHHHHHHH!!! Their own paychecks from their mundane jobs, well, sign me up then.

6 figures is pretty impressive, I wasn't trying to knock ya, I was just making a ridiculous example. Since most of us on these boards couldn't make a serious offer to buy in to Amway, much less simu. Now that I know that you're starting to roll in it, buddy ol pal, I got this investment opportunity....

Nooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo no shopping! my characters are happy to dress in whatever they can find, in TC on the ground, off a stinky hob, whatever, they even upgrade if they're wearing a tattered shirt and happen to find one that's only faded or worn. It works for us, and besides, wearing my boots on my ears keeps em warm.

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He who laughs last, didn't get the joke.

[This message has been edited by Theonic (edited 10-04-2001).] reg

Ok ok,

I feel bad my retirement is fairly large because my grandparents were smart and since I am the eldest grandson I got to inherit a lot of things that made my retiremen fairly lucrative.

Buckwheet

However the taking over GS...well I don't think David would sell to me.

reg

quote:

And Insomniac would write a new FE WITH MP3 support!

Didn't I already do that Buck?

-=Insomniac=- reg

Perhaps could I do something related to llamas? I just want to be big enough where I could get David Whatleys "Special friends" (The Big Lebowski).

Lord Deprav
"It could have been and African swallow but definitely not a European swallow."~Holy Grail~ reg

Hey Bucky you forgot me! I wanna be the General of the RP Police! Head Chief, Commanding Officer, etc. etc.!

Don't RP the way *I* want you to RP? You're outta there! Don't have a character name *I* think is appropriate? Fuggedabout the last chance inn, you'll get the name I give you and be happy!

Come crying to the GMs because Suzie killed you at the boulder? I'll just remove the boulder - problem solved!

God I love power...mwuhahahahahahahhaa

reg

Isn't one of the points being missed, something that has nothing to do with human nature, but instead has to do with personal integrity?

As I heard it, someone posted some rather trashy comments about someone (NOI) based on a rather superficial judgement of a photo posted on a web site, and did so in what was supposed to be a private and confidential forum. And then someone else took those person's remarks... remarks made in what was supposed to be considered a safe space for making them... and shared them outside of this board's moderator circle, including showing them to the person the comments were made about.

And you'd rather sit here and post that she deserved those comments for the way she posed and what you think her relationship to someone might be? Or deflect what happened?

Instead of being outraged that someone -- no wait, not even some, but a fellow moderator for these boards! -- took some petty jealous remarks said in a confidential forum and shared them openly with those who should have never seen them.

Yep, this makes sense to me.

--A. reg

quote:
Originally posted by GMAndraste:
...And then someone else took those person's remarks... remarks made in what was supposed to be considered a safe space for making them... and shared them outside of this board's moderator circle, including showing them to the person the comments were made about.--A.


I've heard different versions of this. Why don't we ask NOI directly who sent her the comments and end the speculation?
reg

quote:
Originally posted by GMAndraste:
...And then someone else took those person's remarks... remarks made in what was supposed to be considered a safe space for making them... and shared them outside of this board's moderator circle, including showing them to the person the comments were made about. Yep, this makes sense to me. --A.


Maybe it doesn't make sense to you because that isn't what happened.

Summer

reg

Well, from my understanding (and I use that term because I could have a things misconstrued)..what basically happened is a certain moderator pasted comments made in the MOD folder (which are supposed to be seen by mods only--hence the reason that particular folder is only open to moderators) to someone else, who in turn turned around and showed it to someone else, blah blah blah. I have to agree with Andraste, no matter who is mad at who, who took sleazy pictures of who, who said what, the person who is mainly at fault would be the MODERATOR who is going around showing every Tom, Dick and Harry stuff that's being posted in the MODERATOR ONLY section. I'll say it again for the benefit of those a bit slow to catch on--***THINGS SAID IN THE MOD FOLDER ARE SUPPOSED TO BE SEEN BY MODS ONLY, WHY DO YOU THINK IT WAS RESTRICTED TO OTHER PEOPLE IN THE FIRST PLACE?***
reg
It's just hearsay folks...

NOI claims to have read the thread, but she just doesn't know who said what...

Problem is that EVERYONE who made a post (and there were 5 posts) signed their name at the end.

I thought at first she had a legitimate concern, but she went about it the wrong way making this a public issue and trashing an apology made to her. None of us posted that any of those pictures belonged to NOI, none of us discussed NOI until after she made this issue public.

All that was discussed were pictures on www.davidwhatley.com, it had nothing to do with anyone posting on these boards, it had nothing to even do with these boards.

- Lord Kranar, human Archwizard reg

quote:
Originally posted by Weedmage Princess: ...the person who is mainly at fault would be the MODERATOR who is going around showing every Tom, Dick and Harry stuff that's being posted in the MODERATOR ONLY section.

This is exactly the kind of thing that occurs in GS that causes problems. People "hear" something and they accept it for fact. The story told here by you, and Andraste is not what happened at all. I explained my involvement in the thread that was closed down ...if anyone would like to read what really happened, and not what they "heard" happened.

The truth is that I took a few comments made in the Mods section, removed the names, and showed them to ONE friend that asked for some support of her opinion. I never mailed, or showed NOI, or any other person a thing.

It was very wrong for me to show my friend those comments, and doesn't really matter that my reasons were only to help her. As soon as this became an issue, I explained my actions, sincerely apologized, and offered my resignation. I don't know what else I can do. Please feel free to flame me for what I did do, but base it on the truth and not what you "heard".

My fellow moderators have been gracious enough to accept my apologies and have been amazingly kind about the whole stupid mess. Why anyone else has an issue with it, is beyond me.

Summer

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"No Shame In My Game"

[This message has been edited by Summerlyn (edited 10-08-2001).] reg

Well then Summer you've learned 2 things.
One is that once you let something out you have NO control over where it goes.

The other thing you learned is about the person you sent the comments to, and whether or not you'd trust that person again with confidential information. (let's hope the answer is no)

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He who laughs last, didn't get the joke. reg

<< and whether or not you'd trust that person again with confidential information. >>

Well, it's just this one particular person who has several times in the past yelled Bloody Murder on our boards to try and defame them making us all look like the devil.

- Lord Kranar, human Archwizard reg

Okay, this is just getting too crazy. I need to make one more comment, and then this incident is history for me.

People seem to want, or need to make this incident into something that was mean-spirited, or petty. Nothing could be further from the truth. I showed a website link to Sayrena... she didn't think it belonged to Whatley, and sent Whatley and Melissa a letter alerting them to the site. Melissa replied to Sayrena that it was Whatley's site, asked Sayrena what she thought was "trashy", and thanked Sayrena for her good intentions (alerting them to the possibility of a bogus site). I showed Sayrena a few of the comments made by the Moderators. I was trying to support Sayrena's opinion and show the type of comments being made.

I didn't show anyone else the comments. Sayrena didn't send, or show the comments to anyone except Melissa and Whatley. If NOI received a copy of Sayrena's letter, it didn't come from us. We didn't even know who NOI was until a few days ago.

You're right on the first point, Theonic, once something is "out", you lose control of it, and it doesn't matter what the original intentions were. You're wrong on the second point. I have known Sayrena since my first days in the Tower and she took the time to show me which end of the lockpick to use. She has been amazingly kind, patient, and supportive towards me. I trust her completely.

What I have learned is that I won't discuss, share, or show anything in the Mods section again with anyone. It was my fault, and bad judgement that caused this whole mess, no one else.

Summer reg

Not only is Summerlyn a traitor to the moderators, she is guilty of heinous crimes against women worldwide! Horrible gossip and maliscious rumor-monger that she is, she's even managed to raise the ire of Simutronics corporate officers, her ISP, my ISP, and my own sainted grandmother.

I don't know what's worse - having to hear my ISP tell me that all my activity will be monitored for the next 3 months, or having to hear my grandmother ream me out for my choice of friends.

Summer you are a BAD girl. BAD! Rotten to the core! Shame on you! Afterall, you didn't show anyone a link to the website with pictures of ME on it! You are truly a horrible person and I will no longer allow anyone to speak of you in my presence ever again.

That goes as a warning to the rest of y'all - if you ever even THINK of discussing NOI's photograph (which I must say showed her in a rather attractive light, though I do agree that the hotel room background was pretty, well, trashy), be sure you have all seen MY photographs and commented on my extraordinary beauty first.

So there. Nya.

R
reg

Umm... This is a tad late, but what did ye have in mind for my side-GM job, Buckwheet? Just wondering... *whistles*

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Caels Onae'Rae
AIM : Caels OnaeRae
MSN : Caels_Onaerae@hotmail.com
ICQ : 91446467
Yahoo!: caels_onaerae reg

Soda Boy.

Bring me one good ole Caels with a cup and some ice...


Buckwheet reg

Well, here's yer soda, on ice, and I also brought the cuffs and a whip if 'lood and Desh wanna jump in...

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Caels Onae'Rae
AIM : Caels OnaeRae
MSN : Caels_Onaerae@hotmail.com
ICQ : 91446467
Yahoo!: caels_onaerae reg

Your punishment Summer is to reach 1000 posts by the end of the week!

I do so wonder how NOI got a copy of the letter...

edge reg

quote:
Originally posted by edge:

I do so wonder how NOI got a copy of the letter...

The one-armed man.

reg