The Players Corner Archive

I was hoping an administrator could answer this one.

Exactly how filtered is this site exactly? I noticed I mentioned the persona of a GM and it was edited 'at the request of the GM'.. (?)

Do you expose game secrets, puzzles, scripting techniques, etc?

I'm just curious, I've seen A LOT of sites that "expose" GM's PCs so I didn't know if there was some legal view you were avoiding, or just out of respect for that particular GM or your fear of Simutronics.

I'm fine either way, but I was considering for future web site production....

Thanks!

Mrs. Miphnik reg

"Do you expose game secrets, puzzles, scripting techniques, etc?"

Some of those things might be exposed. I think though unless someone has a specific question concerning these things, it is never brought up. To people figure out some of these things you brought up might mean the reason they play gemstones. So I think basically its a one way or another subject. Totally depends on the question or comment. We try and not ruin anyone elses game expierence.

Lord Deprav reg

It's been asked from several GM's in the past that their PC's names not be giving out to public knowledge.

As a way of at least honoring their request...many of the moderators here on the boards feel that we should listen to their requests and keep the identities of their PC's hidden at all times if possible.

reg

Sometimes we win new members because of this, sometimes we lose... but we aim to win new members.

So in regards to your question... it really depends if what is said is unreasonable or if someone has a legitimate problem with it, or it's just out of place for what is being discussed... we'll act. Otherwise, we like to give as much leeway to the members of these boards to post comfortably.

- Lord Kranar, human Archwizard reg

okie doke...Sounds good, thanks

reg

I make a post that leaves it up to the imagination of the individual to fill in the blanks and I get deleted yet when direct names and insults are thrown at others they remain.

Amazing...

I never realized saying when was the last time you got a hug was so awful.

And before you start forcing your viewpoint of what I meant to say without actually being me save the bandwidth. I know what I meant and the test was loud and clear.

I see selective editing here too. One day this boards applauds the lack of editing and the next they remove posts that are daisies in comparison to what is left alone.

I left the boards as a moderator because of this haphazard application of judgement. At least be consistent.

I changed a single word in a post from an outright swear word to a word that meant the same thing and get roasted alive. The message remained though.

I see how it goes here. This place is evolving just like the unofficial boards have. Get a little attention and then the true animal shows it's colors.

Hiway reg

The sooner this edit is made, the better since if a post is responded to after it's been editted it can leave for awkward reactions by the readers who have not read the original message.

<< And before you start forcing your viewpoint of what I meant to say without actually being me save the bandwidth. >>

In response to this, it is the responsibility of the poster to make sure his post comes out in a clear manner, not the readers responsiblity. If several readers get the wrong implication of your post because it was made in a very vague manner and one that can easily be interpreted as insulting and offensive, it will be removed or edited.

Editting over Gemstone related issues is rarely done, if someone makes some blunt or rude comments over a general aspect of the actual GAME, that is much different than making rude and demeaning comments about a member of these boards or an actual human being. They will also both be dealt with differently. Comments made about the game will generally be left to the moderator to decide if it flows with the conversation, comments made about other members of the boards or people will most likely be dealt with by an administrator as they go against the intention of this BBS.

<< I left the boards as a moderator because of this haphazard application of judgement. At least be consistent. >>

A lot of changes to the boards have been made since you were a moderator, and a lot of changes will occur as well as we continue to find more effective ways of keeping the boards interesting and discussing better ways of keeping conversations under control. Our methods of dealing with posts are done on a very subjective level, we have to see what is reasonable, does a post which may seem objectionable hurt anyones feelings? Does it have any information about it that is useful to the discussion? Is it just a mean slap on the face to get someone to leave? Various factors have to be considered when deciding if a post should remain or if it needs to be removed.

<< I see how it goes here. This place is evolving just like the unofficial boards have. Get a little attention and then the true animal shows it's colors. >>

If you feel this strongly that I acted wrong by deleting your post and closing the thread, then I can only suggest that you e-mail the true owner of these boards and tell him your complaint. It's not in anyway my intention to bring a bad reputation to these boards, I did what I did because I felt it was what's best and what's right. One person was being constantly singled out and I put myself in their position. I can say if I had those kinds of comments sent my way I too would have felt rather hurt, so I closed the thread.

However I'm not perfect, and if you honestly feel that this is a sign of poor administration on my part you can bring this to the attention of Buckwheet by giving him an e-mail. I only want what's best for these boards and what so many other moderators have worked hard to make it.

- Lord Kranar, human Archwizard

[This message has been edited by LordKranar (edited 12-08-2001).] reg

:::Rusval, for someone who hates "cocky asses", you sure seem to be one yourself.
Just because someone doesn't share the same viewpoint as you do, doesn't mean you have to berate them in an attempt to make yourself look better.

And as far as "acting like a kid" goes, I think you'd get a little more respect if your posts were legible and made some actual sense. It's a wonder what capital letters and a little bit of punctuation can do for you.

------------------
-Emtel::::

reg

You know... there was a time when I could read over every single post and catch every single swear word or flame made, and let me tell you we used to get tons of them. Infact at one point I had to spend a good 40-60 minutes at the end of the day just removing them.

That was back when we got an average of 30-40 posts a day. Last month we jumped to 60 posts a day, last week we were at 83 posts a day, and this week we're at 120 posts.

I can no longer read through every single post to see who's insulting who, but I will try and check through the "hotspots".

I would prefer however if people would e-mail me if they see a post they think is questionable or should be reviewed.

- Lord Kranar, human Archwizard reg

Lord Deprav
Proud of how different the Player's Corner is to any other gemstone related sites. reg

It was a test of sorts to see what people would insert. Am I at fault for people's predisposition? I don't personally think I was attacking Siara or otherwise. If anything her or his posts were outright that way to other posters on these boards.

I didn't label her a name or even make a judgement call on her abilities. I asked an open ended question for the reader to fill in the blanks. Mostly in humor and in part a wee check of how people are here.

I even followed up and said "When was the last time you got ... a hug".

God forbid that being an attack or trying to dress someone down...

Yep I am such a vile and mean evil person for doing so.

I got my answer and the predisposition of many on the boards and how they view me. That is fine.

I am the only one that takes real personal accountability in this medium. I have never (yes that's for you Roberta) asked anyone else to do so, nor expected anyone else to.

I hate when people read between the lines and assume about what I know is my purpose.

Am I upset? No. I am simply just amazed and continually so by the attitudes that populate this genre. I have yet to meet people like this so frequently in the real face to face world.

I would bet a lot of money these same people would not be like this face to face. I am. That is my background. I don't pull punches and don't expect others to either. I like it that way.

What I don't like is haphazard excuse making about even handed editing and deleting.

There isn't that much traffic... Especially for the moderator in charge of each topic. Especially given the frequency and time certain mods are online.

Hiway reg

We get 16511 hits a day on these boards.

I'm willing to bet that is more traffic than any other GS related site.

In terms of visits, since I'd assume that A LOT of people visit tsoran.com to get their maps, I will compare our site to his just for the purpose of showing that these boards do gen a lot of traffic, and UNIQUE visits. His site having received 436,140 visits since March of 1997 means he gets an average of 7651 visits a month.

The Player's Corner is getting 12,613 visits a month. So point being, these boards are busy, we will continue to try and maintain them as best we can and ask that the members also help out by notifying the admins or moderators if they see a post they find insulting or uncalled for.

- Lord Kranar, human Archwizard

[This message has been edited by LordKranar (edited 12-09-2001).] reg

In your free time vist http://forum.gsplayers.com/stats

This will confirm the hit count and the visit count and it will also provide you with several other interesting facts about the boards.

I would also like everyone to keep in mind that a "visit" is only one time per unique IP address a day.

So for those of us on Cable or DSL or who stayed dialed in for extended periods of time it will only register one visit per day for you. However all your hits are cacluated.

Thank you everyone for the support.

Hiway you once said you would no longer partake in these boards and you wished us well on our way. I would kindly remind you of this and also then ask you for what gain or purpose do you have to come and say you are getting treated badly, but never once have you sent me or Kranar as far as I know a letter stating that someone posted something you disliked and wished not to read.

We have made it plainly clear in both the TOS and in several posts made here on the boards that this place is a place designed by players of a fantasy game for players of this said game. It's content should be dictated by what these player's wish to discuss as long as it pertains to said game. If you are seeing something on the boards as a member of this community you wish not to partake in then maybe you should try and bring something else to the table. If you bring something else to the table and someone comes in and invades that topic and you wish for a moderator or an admin to review the situation. By all means let us know, and we will review it.

Buckwheet reg

And I still stand by my assertion.

I have heard some things, but this takes the cake.

Hiway reg

Hiway reg

You just can't please everyone.

This folder is afterall for making suggestions and complaints about the Player's Corner, I'm afraid however that in regards to your concern Hiway, I will have to disagree.

Justifying your post by saying "Well he got to do it, why can't I." isn't exactly going to persuade me into allowing insults to continue on the BBS.

If you really are concerned however about your post, I will once again let you know there is an edit button available to all players so that they can edit their posts. It's the responsibility of the poster, and not the reader, to make sure their post comes out in a clear manner and one that will not reasonably be misunderstood. If you can't make use of the edit button to fix up your post so that it can be understood clearly, we will.

- Lord Kranar, human Archwizard reg

Show me a direct insult then.

And I am not saying I am complaining because someone else did it therefore I should be. Come on now. Get a grip. I said if you would read the posts to have some semblance of standards, meaning apply the same one every time.

I don't frankly buy that you can't even moderate and read the posts in your assigned folders. I would be a whole lot of money and would even foot the bill on a lie detector test on this one.

Hiway reg

quote:

---

Originally posted by Hiway:
I said as a moderator Buckwheet.

Hiway

---

I don't care if you are a mod or not.

If you see things you don't like let someone know.

Also there is a post count at the top of the main page. I also have removed about 300-500 posts through pruning and dead topics. That would bring the total number of posts we have recieved in 11 months almost to the day to an average of 30 posts a day.

Keep in mind as well that for those first few months there was hardly anything going on. I suspect that we are still averaging atleast 30 posts a day. Personally I am more then pleased with this.

Buckwheet

[This message has been edited by Buckwheet (edited 12-09-2001).] reg

Hiway reg

In anycase, even though we disagree, I still hope you read through the boards and give your opinions about GS. You have provided a wide range of opinions and you seem to post in various forums and threads, which is something I personally like to see and I think is helpful to the average player. I honestly don't intend to turn you away from this BBS. Perhaps in the future as we the moderators and administrators continue to try and maintain these boards more effectively your opinion of how the boards are run will change and be more favorable.

Thanks for sticking around with us.

- Lord Kranar, human Archwizard

[This message has been edited by LordKranar (edited 12-09-2001).] reg

quote:

---

Originally posted by Hiway:

I see selective editing here too. One day this boards applauds the lack of editing and the next they remove posts that are daisies in comparison to what is left alone.

...

I see how it goes here. This place is evolving just like the unofficial boards have. Get a little attention and then the true animal shows it's colors.

Hiway

---

For once I agree with Hiway. The world must be ending or something.
reg

It's a sign of the apocalypse...

I'm scared.

- Lord Kranar, human Archwizard reg

Now NOI is agreeing with Hiway...

The world really must be ending...

Perhaps it's just me, but

HUMAN = FALLIBLE

The intention is to censor personal attacks. Sometimes the lines become blurry. And sometimes, we miss. When we miss, point out our errors. To get a faster response, email both Buckwheet and Kranar and see who is available first.

Aerienne reg

Lord Deprav
Reading in between the lines does include ignoring punctuation and grammar and focusing on the material. reg

quote:

---

Originally posted by Aerienne:
First Roberta agrees with Klaive...

Now NOI is agreeing with Hiway...

The world really must be ending...

Perhaps it's just me, but

HUMAN = FALLIBLE

The intention is to censor personal attacks. Sometimes the lines become blurry. And sometimes, we miss. When we miss, point out our errors. To get a faster response, email both Buckwheet and Kranar and see who is available first.

Aerienne

---

I think the issue is more about the selective censoring and the fact that often the mods themselves (not all, but some) are the ones dishing out the personal attacks. reg

(Roberta takes a breath before moving on to her next runon sentence.)

Next - you can ask Edge, Alfador, Omnirus - I have lambasted them plenty over posts THEY have made that I felt were inappropriate or too provocative (meaning that they would likely incite a riot unless they were edited). I have been on the receiving end of a couple of beatings from Kranar and Bucky as well for the same thing.

So yeah - we miss stuff sometimes. If you want to believe that we do it selectively and that we moderators all stick together thick as thieves, have at it. You'll be wrong, but you're allowed to be wrong.

R
reg

quote:

---

Originally posted by Lord Deprav:
I tend to disagree with the statement "I hate it when people read in between the lines and assume what I know is my purpose." That is a very poor statement. One I have never met a person who does assume things about another. Hiway I am sure if I met you in person I know you would assume something about me either by my looks or my words. Two, reading in betweens the lines is what has created this country into what it is. For example, the richest man, Bill Gates. Do you think he created computers by standing outside the box and not creating ideas? I really doubt it. And when he did create these ideas do you not think he assumed they would work? I don't think so. I would also like to point out your first post that is a response to Kranar where you are criticizing his punctuation and stuff. How hyprocritical is that? It amazes me. Hope you understand where I am coming from.

Lord Deprav
Reading in between the lines does include ignoring punctuation and grammar and focusing on the material.

---

I don't read between the lines. That is exactly what I am saying. Loud and clear yet?

Hiway
reg

quote:

---

Originally posted by Desharei:
Umm No. First of all, moderators only have "poofing" abilities in the topics they moderate, and only admin can "poof" all of them. Sometimes days will go by when admin simply isn't around, and by the time they can get back to reading the boards, the issue is already resolved or the topic has already changed so it would be stupid to bring it back up and get everyone all riled up over something that is already passed.

(Roberta takes a breath before moving on to her next runon sentence.)

Next - you can ask Edge, Alfador, Omnirus - I have lambasted them plenty over posts THEY have made that I felt were inappropriate or too provocative (meaning that they would likely incite a riot unless they were edited). I have been on the receiving end of a couple of beatings from Kranar and Bucky as well for the same thing.

So yeah - we miss stuff sometimes. If you want to believe that we do it selectively and that we moderators all stick together thick as thieves, have at it. You'll be wrong, but you're allowed to be wrong.

R

---

(sarcasm)

Ok Roberta. Never has a mod made a personal attack against me. So sorry for being wrong.

(/sarcasm)
reg

I would think mods would be even more strict in how they post, regardless of how laid back these boards in contract to the official ones. It doesn't excuse saying "you're an idiot" or "that sucks".

I'm amazed at the mod staff, to be honest with you. I wouldn't allow some of them to be in charge of anything with the attitudes I've seen. But again, that's just my opinion, and it makes me nervous to post at times when I'm more afraid of what the mods will say over the regular posters. They seem to be more brutal because I guess they feel they have the authority to be. ::shrugs:: Just my feelings since I've started reading them. I enjoy the honesty, just not the nastiness of them. It's not necessary to get a point across. reg

Just didn't feel right to me. I let folks know up front what I think about them.

Hiway reg

As a moderator here, that part of your post concerns me because I want EVERYONE to be comfortable posting here. As moderators, our job sure isn't to "scare" people away.

In regards to the authority issue, I really don't think that any of the moderators have a "power" complex. We have such a mix of moderators, old, middle, young,.. people that are more direct, others that are more sensitive, mods that are super smart, others that are usually clueless <cough, cough>, etc. I think that because we are all so different, one of us almost always agrees, or supports a member's viewpoint, and that's a good thing. At times, one of us will go a little nutty, but there's usually someone around that will calm us down, and remind us that we do have a responsibility to these boards, and to the admins here.

I appreciate your honesty, Crystaltears, and you raised some very good points. And I'll tell ya a little secret, just last night, the bosses kind of brought up some of those same issues with us!

Summer reg

??!?!?!

reg

I feel the love! reg

------------------
I got no dukes. reg

quote:

---

Originally posted by Fralcon:
A few? Sorry to disappoint you, but that just isn't true. As much as you would like to think you are all that we talk about in the mods folder, it just isn't so. Let me count the threads in there about you...1.. whew I'm outta breath, there's just so many to keep track of!

---

Gee I hope for that person's sake it's a debate if they should be a moderator or not because of their posting style, not because of their personal life, which quite frankly I don't find to be of anyone's business, regardless of the websites out there. If you have no other way to make an argument than to use someone's personal life as an attack, well then something's wrong. Reminds me of sandbox quarrels in school. "You stole my apple!", "Yeah? Well your mom chews like a cow!" No relation in the argument whatsoever. Rather childless and pointless.

That's one too many threads if you ask me. Instead of talking about a person's life, why not talk about how to improve the boards by learning how to post without being flaming eh? reg

Also Hiway you must either be a super intelligent person or just plain dumb. Because I have never met anyone who doesn't question things. And yet you post here questioning why your topic was removed. I think you need to rethink your thoughts. Not only is that an ignorant statement but just a plain out lie.

Lord Deprav reg

This is a very good concern, and one I PERSONALLY want to hear. Please e-mail me who's responsible for this and I will do something about it. If it's me who's making you feel this way, then e-mail Buckwheet, he too will keep your identity to himself and he can be a very strict person.

<< Gee I hope for that person's sake it's a debate if they should be a moderator or not because of their posting style, not because of their personal life, which quite frankly I don't find to be of anyone's business, regardless of the websites out there. >>

The only time we've named a folder under someone's name was with one person, and that was regarding if they should be banned from the boards because of their constant use of vulgarity. The only time we discuss a particular person is if we need to send them an e-mail, ban them, edit their posts, and issues such as that. Once we discussed Whatley's web site and it had a picture of someone who went to Simucon on it, so someone pointed that out and NOI revealed it was her and made a big deal out of it. To this day I'm wondering what the big deal is.

We don't discuss peoples personal lives, that I promise you. Hiway, you made a very selfish lie plain and simple.

You left because I wanted you to leave and I know you may resent me for it, but there is nothing I can do about that. You were not a team player since day one, you wanted it to be your way or the "Hiway".

Well sorry, maybe in the army everyone does what you say and maybe in the army you're allowed to judge people and say what goes and what doesn't, but not here and not under our terms.

In anycase, I'm going to allow this folder open so that you and NOI and anyone else can continue bashing these boads. Heck have a party in here. I'm going to ask that no other moderators however post in here since it's clear from Hiway's lie that all he wants is to start up a fire for the members of these boards. We feed him that attention and we just fuel his fire allowing him to manipulate and perpetuate his disrespect and resent for the boards. You're trolling for attention right now, and it's very low. The only thing that worries me now is that you may get it and hurt as well as throw away a lot of what the moderators here have done and worked for who have never done anything wrong to you. It was that same disrespect towards another person that got your post removed Hiway, nothing else.

If the members wish to continue this discussion amongst each other, go ahead. Anyone who has an intent on making a suggestion to improve these boards are best to do so through e-mail.

- Lord Kranar, human Archwizard

[This message has been edited by LordKranar (edited 12-10-2001).] reg

------------------------------------------

Already done. Well through IMs, not e-mail. reg

quote:

---

Originally posted by Hiway:
To be honest I left being a moderator here because of all the talking behind people's backs in the mod folder. There were literally folders dedicated to certain people.

Just didn't feel right to me. I let folks know up front what I think about them.

Hiway

---

Oooh! Oooh! Did I make it, did I?

*cough*

Sorry, regressing a bit.
reg

quote:

---

Originally posted by LordKranar:
<Lotta stuff>

---

Wow. Kranar, I am truly impressed. Seeing your response to my post in the Concerns board, and now this... wow. I'm not sure I trust the PC any more than I do Simu (which I don't mean as a flame, since most comments by both have some truth to them. Just got to figure out who's saying it and how much truth.) but seeing multiple posts by a mod indicating a level of maturity I don't often see here is a definate step up.

There are a few mods that I have issues with. My posting habits reveal that very clearly. Much as with Simu, one bad apple can ruin the barrel.

I'll try to keep my responses to those posters, mods or otherwise, on a level appropriate for what you seem to want these boards to be. If I have problems with a post, expect emails. Now I just need to find out what I used for an email address for the PC, since my main addy for the past 3 years is a free account that I couldn't sign up with.
reg

quote:

---

Originally posted by Lord Deprav:
Whenever their is talk about a specific individual it is basically to keep and eye on their posting. Some moderators do not have emails/instant messaging/or any other way of communication besides that folder with other mods. Basically it is a forum for us to discuss thoughts about the boards. If you want to keep off of our keep an eye list, don't flame and don't harass. All the problems will be solved then.

Also Hiway you must either be a super intelligent person or just plain dumb. Because I have never met anyone who doesn't question things. And yet you post here questioning why your topic was removed. I think you need to rethink your thoughts. Not only is that an ignorant statement but just a plain out lie.

Lord Deprav

---

Where did I lie?

Hiway

reg

quote:

---

Originally posted by LordKranar:
<< But again, that's just my opinion, and it makes me nervous to post at times when I'm more afraid of what the mods will say over the regular posters. >>

This is a very good concern, and one I PERSONALLY want to hear. Please e-mail me who's responsible for this and I will do something about it. If it's me who's making you feel this way, then e-mail Buckwheet, he too will keep your identity to himself and he can be a very strict person.

<< Gee I hope for that person's sake it's a debate if they should be a moderator or not because of their posting style, not because of their personal life, which quite frankly I don't find to be of anyone's business, regardless of the websites out there. >>

The only time we've named a folder under someone's name was with one person, and that was regarding if they should be banned from the boards because of their constant use of vulgarity. The only time we discuss a particular person is if we need to send them an e-mail, ban them, edit their posts, and issues such as that. Once we discussed Whatley's web site and it had a picture of someone who went to Simucon on it, so someone pointed that out and NOI revealed it was her and made a big deal out of it. To this day I'm wondering what the big deal is.

We don't discuss peoples personal lives, that I promise you. Hiway, you made a very selfish lie plain and simple.

You left because I wanted you to leave and I know you may resent me for it, but there is nothing I can do about that. You were not a team player since day one, you wanted it to be your way or the "Hiway".

Well sorry, maybe in the army everyone does what you say and maybe in the army you're allowed to judge people and say what goes and what doesn't, but not here and not under our terms.

In anycase, I'm going to allow this folder open so that you and NOI and anyone else can continue bashing these boads. Heck have a party in here. I'm going to ask that no other moderators however post in here since it's clear from Hiway's lie that all he wants is to start up a fire for the members of these boards. We feed him that attention and we just fuel his fire allowing him to manipulate and perpetuate his disrespect and resent for the boards. You're trolling for attention right now, and it's very low. The only thing that worries me now is that you may get it and hurt as well as throw away a lot of what the moderators here have done and worked for who have never done anything wrong to you. It was that same disrespect towards another person that got your post removed Hiway, nothing else.

If the members wish to continue this discussion amongst each other, go ahead. Anyone who has an intent on making a suggestion to improve these boards are best to do so through e-mail.

- Lord Kranar, human Archwizard

[This message has been edited by LordKranar (edited 12-10-2001).]

---

Sorry ol buddy. You are the liar. I instant messaged you and told you I didn't want to be a moderator. Your response was "oh moderating isn't cut out for you eh?".

You NEVER, yep never told me once, twice or even with telepathy for me to leave.

Hiway
reg

quote:

---

Originally posted by Fralcon:
A few? Sorry to disappoint you, but that just isn't true. As much as you would like to think you are all that we talk about in the mods folder, it just isn't so. Let me count the threads in there about you...1.. whew I'm outta breath, there's just so many to keep track of!

---

This may be off topic, but oh well, heh... I think if Fralcon changed that post, and replaced the final sentence with <starting at 'let me'> 'We have much much more important things to do then discuss about you behind your back, sorry, you aren't that important' he'd make a great GM!

Fralcon for partial GM!
-Goyle... heh reg

------------------
I got no dukes. reg