The Players Corner Archive

It takes guts.

It takes responsbility.

It takes intelligence.

It takes motive.

It takes a positive mental attitude.

It takes taking an insult and letting it go.

It takes asking questions that can be answered.

It takes asking questions in a respectfull manner.

It takes pride.

It takes work.

I worked with someone who gave this to these boards and they have since moved on to bigger things in their lives.

I must ask that ever poster, every moderator, and every admin read my list. If you fail to meet one of those requirements I would like you to think why you can't meet them.

These boards are here for people to express concerns and ideas and to listen to their peers responses. If you come here with a closed mind it will only frustrate those around you and yourself.

I want everyone to think about what they say here. This is not the place to get into a pissing contest. This is not the place to slander people. This is not the place to attack people for who they are or what they are outside of the game. If you want to do that there is another board that appears to be in need of some visitors.

Lets get our heads out of the name smearing bucket and lets put up some good quality discussions. I am asking you as members of this community to show me and your fellow members why we come here and put so much time and effort into this.

This is not a warning folks, however this is what I call getting back to basics. Everyone here needs to get back to the basics and start fresh. I know we are all capable of making this board the best board, and also making this board better then the Simu boards.

You can say whatever you want about Gemstone. Please hold your tounge about people themselves.

If you want to make a post about GM corruption or something that targets specific people please flesh out your arguments so that people don't believe just false accusations.

I look forward to reading all you have to write.

Buckwheet
reg

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Originally posted by Buckwheet:
This is not the place to attack people for who they are or what they are outside of the game. If you want to do that there is another board that appears to be in need of some visitors.

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Buck, as a moderator both here and at 'those' boards, I strongly disagree with that statement.
reg

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It takes responsbility.
It takes taking an insult and letting it go.

This is not the place to attack people for who they are or what they are outside of the game. If you want to do that there is another board that appears to be in need of some visitors.

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LOL, wow you just broke most of the things you outlined. You bashed the other boards, hold a grudge buckie? These boards were cool until it was swarmed by a bunch of retards. It used to be the place to get away from the harsh moderating of the Unofficial and Official ones. I guess things change with so called ‘fame’, 2 million hits WOW!

-Pirub reg

Very true Buck and I agree with yahs totally!

Lord Deprav reg

I for one don't think I have broken any of the things I have outlined.

And yes Pirub I agree with you. It used to be nice here untill it was bogged down with insults and flames.

I am sick of people taking advantage of what some people are working very hard to make.

It takes cooperation between the posters to make this place better. I pull a post I get bitched at for being to strict and people complain we are no better then Simu. I let a post ride and I get bitched at for allowing slanderous material on my boards.

These are not MY boards. These are YOUR boards. I am just providing the internet pipe and the computer it sits on. If you want to post nothing but flames tell me now, and I will re-name the site to Gemstone III Flames.

And if you can tell me why I would hold a grudge against a bulletin board that angered many folks, allowed me to offer those folks an alternative, and then came here and supported me, I will then believe you. I highly doubt you can find sufficent reason for me to hold a grudge against them.

Do you strongly disagree that the other board has lost traffic? Or do you think this is the place where people can come and take shots at eachother? Please clarify, but I do think I know the answer.

I could care less about fame, I could care less about making money off these boards with ads if I wanted. Lots of people don't understand that these boards are costing me about 50$ a month to run, not to mention the time it takes to keep them going, and making sure the server is always updated and going. Maybe you don't care that I put up $3000 to build this server. Maybe you don't care that I put the $200 dollars up for the software to power these boards. Maybe you just don't care that someone cared enough about you as a Gemstone III player to offer this to you. In which case there is no reason I should explain myself to you. If you don't know my reasons for making these boards, and you can't figure it out for yourself I will be damned if I am going to subject myself to an explaination to you.

There is a reason nobody knows my characters in the game. There is a reason I keep it private. Its not because I fear repercussions in the game, its because I don't want my characters to be associated with a out of character object such as these boards are. I don't want to become infamous or famous for them.

The bottom line is that if you want to act like thugs and attack every person't comments with personal vendettas then there are other places you can do that at, and I am sure someone will make a place just for flames.

It was nice when people would just discuss. Now its just nice when you can read one post out of ten thats not an insult or a direct flame.

You who post here owe me nothing. The only thing I am asking is to please use my time and my money for what I intended it to be used for. That is a forum where people who play the game Gemstone III can come and say anything they want about the game, but are capable of staying away from personal attacks on other players and GM's.

Maybe this will make it more clear as to what I would like this place to be.

Only say the words and this place will be gone forever.

My computer, my internet connection, and my time are yours to do with as you please.

Buckwheet reg

its so funny when people cry about getting flamed on the boards. a nice thing about the internet is you can say whatever the hell you want with no consequence.

if you're too sensitive for flaming you should be watching barney. can i get you your blankie? rofl
-Zentalin reg

-Zent reg

If you absolutely must flame in order for you to express yourself, there are plenty of internet avenues to take. You're being asked to not do it here and you should respect that request. reg

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Originally posted by Zentalin:
on a side note, i think Simu acts like a bunch of communists when they patrol the internet, scouring it for any negative feedback about their game. if they dont like it, such as that site Scint got nailed for, they'll just ban you. It really reminds me of people being executed in some third world communist country for opposing the government.

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On my own side note, many companies research the internet and the news to see what is and isn't being said about their company. The one I work for sends out a newsletter every morning with clippings of news articles from various news references that mention the company. It's a protective measure to know whether fact or fiction is being said to remedy the problem. If Simu is doing anything right, that's one. I for one wouldn't want to see my company flamed by a disgrunted customer. How they choose to make things right is another story, but it never hurts to find out the scoop. reg

Please, folks. Think long and hard about what Buckwheet has done for you. His own money and hard work are going into this, and he's asked nothing of you but to post with some modicum of restraint. Not such a huge request, really.

Ryshan's albatross reg

Gotta love the brainpower behind that one.

Hiway reg

I personally think you should take his advice and move on if you cannot stop.

What he does on his own time has nothing to do with these boards.

You bringing that up is a flame.

Aerienne reg

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I am sick of people taking advantage of what some people are working very hard to make.

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Good point Highway, I certainly do remember Buckwheet bragging about selling pirated copies of Windows XP to his friends at work.

When Buckwheet asks for us to stop flaming, yet he flames the unofficial boards, his words carry no merit.

-Pirub

[This message has been edited by Pirub9 (edited 12-13-2001).] reg

I didn't post his pirated software list. I didn't force him to keep it up. You too can view it right now on his domain.

I didn't make him do any of that. I didn't slander him by that statment. I am pointing out a fact.

Get over it.

Hiway fact finder not flame thrower reg

And what does all of this have to do with the game, or these Gemstone boards? Nothing. That is Buckwheet's Domain, nothing more.

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Gotta love the brainpower behind that one. - Hiway

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And what is the point behind that comment? Nothing, other than trying to singe someone. Call yourself the fact-finder. I call you a match looking for something to ignite. If you can't see what you are doing, then I have nothing more to say on the topic.

Aerienne

reg

It takes responsbility.

It takes intelligence.

It takes motive.

It takes a positive mental attitude.

It takes taking an insult and letting it go.

It takes asking questions that can be answered.

It takes asking questions in a respectfull manner.

It takes pride.

It takes work.

I worked with someone who gave this to these boards and they have since moved on to bigger things in their lives.

I must ask that ever poster, every moderator, and every admin read my list. If you fail to meet one of those requirements I would like you to think why you can't meet them.:::

Posted by Buckwheet.

I am using the point to contrast the money used to make the boards and software.

Using stolen money does not impress me and I feel no gratitude. (and don't get cute about creative accounting or such)

I view stealing as morally wrong (yes real stealing vice fantasy thieving). I see such a laughable contrast when someone says such things and does the other. Does that make me odd? I suppose so.

Sorry but I know the subtle differences in how people measure success.

Is that better?

So I guess we all should just ignore the bad things people do or promote and turn the other cheek. I am not going to applaud or sit silent as someone mentions such attributes yet lives a opposite life.

Bury the heads into the sand. Embrace the anonymity of the internet, ignore the obvious and just throw away the very basic good characteristics that people should have. I am not going to do that. I am not going to stand idle and let someone preach off some moral highground when it is not even remotely earned.

Hiway

[This message has been edited by Hiway (edited 12-13-2001).] reg

My last conversation with the Webmistress there (who, around this time last year?, was asking you to do the same things you have posted here) was that she was SO happy that you had created these boards because now her boards were back to the way she had wanted them.

I edited cause I decided I didn't like the ending. I was only trying to state that I know the Spot isn't hard up.

[This message has been edited by Cassioppia (edited 12-14-2001).] reg

Sorry Cassi. I strongly disagree with you. The people are different. We all get out of hand sometimes.

Plus, these boards are not made for money.

The gay companion banners use to get to me. Roommate would be like. wft you doing reading gay crap?!?!?! I would be like. Don't be gay. It's only banners.

That is a issue I don't like to get involved with. I don't care if people do it. Just don't show me the crap everytime I go to read some boards.

I get out of hand every once in a while and the boards pay for it. As for Buckwheat selling or giving away pirated stuff. You two are ones to talk. I bet you got some illegal stuff on your PCs.

If you want to flame people go to the spot. After they get pissed, expect your IP to be scanned non stop for a while. Amazing how that stopped when I moved over here.

edge reg

I am sick of people taking advantage of what some people are working very hard to make.
I'm sure Microsoft worked very hard on making Windows XP considering it is the best operating system they have made to date. And Buckwheet takes advantage of them to earn a extra bucks, but maybe it's ok because it is a big corporation, huh? I don't care if you're going to make that statement but you can't contradict yourself by doing what you said not to.

-Pirub

[This message has been edited by Pirub9 (edited 12-13-2001).] reg

No pirated or copied material without legal permission.

Hiway reg

I don't understand if you dislike me and what I am trying to do so much Hiway why you still hang around.

So this is going to be my last post in this topic. Please voluntarily remove yourself as a member of my boards Hiway. Your presence is no longer desired. If you are not removed as a member I will have no choice but to remove you myself.

I called it getting back to basics and you just used my post as a launch pad for a personal attack. Actually I will confess to the piracy however since it is everyone's buisness now I did refund everyone's money because the software didn't work on most of their computers.

So yeah I did offer the software at one time, however I gave back the money and stopped offering it. So you can call me a thief, however the version of XP I do own is an actual version since the version I recieved was not working on my system.

So I bet you both feel really good that you can sit behind your computer monitors and spit out insults to everyone. I am glad you see it fit to attack me. The money that pays for these boards comes out of my paycheck that I get. It doesn't come from shady deals as you speak of. You speak as if you know me like your brother, when infact you know nothing about where my income comes from or how much I make.

I am glad for you that you seem to take the moral high ground on so many isusses yet at the first chance you get to insult me you leap on it.

So again please remove yourself from my boards. I feel that your posts are detrimental to these boards. I don't feel that you have taken the high ground on this, and you feel you must bring someone's personal life into this.

My post stands valid. If the webmistress feels her boards are where they should be then thats great news. I am happy for her. However they are several other places that would love to get the attention of the flamers of this place and I would emplore you to visit them.

As I said in the topic pertaining to the XP issue I wasn't bragging I was just informing.

I will let my personality, honesty, and integrity stand for itself and I will let yours lie where it is.

This message has been posted at 11:38 central standard time and I expect Hiway will no longer be a member at 11:38 central time tomorrow.

Buckwheet reg

But... if you do have to ban him, wouldja take a look at one of your monitors while you're at it?... I posted right next to this one in a new topic... someone needs either..

1:to have a STERN talking to <not my first choice>
2:Have their 'representative' status revoked, as they aren't representing much except hate.. <good idea>
3:Be banned also <not as good of an idea, but one i'd vote for right now, out of anger>

-goyle reg

I don't insult. I think it is plainly obvious that you have inferred I dislike you based on what I said. Plainly wrong. I don't even know you the person behind the name "Buckwheet". Never met you, never talked to you, never looked you in the eye.

I am commenting on the behavior. It is also pretty safe to say the 'norm' do not pirate software and the accepted terminology is also stealing. I am not making it up. You just admitted to it which is admirable, but to try to sugarcoat it or "get back at me" by banning me for calling a spade a spade, well then goes directly against what I thought was your intention in the first place in having these boards.

In the fighter business we yell and cuss at each other behind closed doors. The tape doesn't lie. Facts are facts. The neatest thing in the world is we accept the faults and move on to fix them instead of dwell on them. If you don't like the image of a pirateer of software then remove the site bragging about it.

If you still want me gone voluntarily then fine.

Trust me it doesn't hurt me one bit to leave here.

Hiway reg

Who has never hid anything about themself? Me. My full name and even where I live has been posted on these boards.

I see what it means now. Just a little too close to home. When the reality of actually being personally accountable for who you really are and having it factor into the validity of what you say doesn't please you.

It all makes sense to me now. So many use these boards with fake names and identities to erect a fake persona to fill some void perhaps.

I don't think "this insult" of stating a fact that you Buckwheet yourself stated on this board would be taken as an insult if you truly thought it was an admirable act.

I am now leaving. My stance on personal accountability and real integrity must be a bit too strong to handle I suppose. Perhaps one day you will see what I mean.

Darren Hirschey

-Check Six and God Speed. reg

Lord Deprav reg

I truely believe in karma. Stolen stuff brings bad karma upon you. I can afford to buy anything I want.

On another note....

Get off Buckwheats back. He has been nothing but fair to everyone.

edge

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The first is that the banning of Hiway was not just because he insulted me. Shortly before his post was made regarding software piracy on my part I recieved a letter from the BSA, which is a group of people that looks into software piracy. They forwarded me a letter along with a letter from Hiway, It was signed with his real name and it was telling them that I sell pirated software for money.

I of course handed everything over to my lawyers who are just about done taking care of this problem. I was asked to voluntarily submit to a inspection of my computer software, which I did with local authorities this morning. They found no pirated software in my house, my computer, my car, or in my trash.

They inspected my servers and everything for possible software piracy and invalid license information. They found nothing.

It seems that either Hiway or someone posing as Hiway tried to take a real life shot at me and they failed in doing so. The only thing that they accomplished was making me think twice about being exposed to people here.

My lawyer suggested that I not contact Hiway about the matter because his digital fingerprints so to speak were all over the letter, however because these fingerprints are easy to mask we can't be 100% sure.

So Hiway there are two main reasons you were asked to leave. One, someone posing as you, or you yourself attacked me legally and I want nothing to do with that.

The second is my lawyer advised severing all ties I have with you, incase either you or your imposter, if there is one, decides to attempt to attack me again.

As for the letters I am not allowed to post them here because they will be used in a court if need be. I really hope it wasn't you Hiway, but if it was you might want to call the dogs off incase we do decide to go to court.

Again the FBI and the local police task force against piracy inspected all my computers this morning and found no signs of pirated or illegal software.

I hope this clears up my personal life and everyone can move on.

I hope this isn't true Hiway and I wish you the best of luck in the future.

Buckwheet

reg

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The FBI reacted to software piracy within 24 hours?

Call me crazy but, don't they have better things to do?

AND the local authorities?

Something seems REALLY wrong here.

reg

So yeah I did offer the software at one time, however I gave back the money and stopped offering it. So you can call me a thief, however the version of XP I do own is an actual version since the version I recieved was not working on my system.>>>>

You might want to get rid of this post too if the FBI cares so much...

reg

Either way, I think it's rather sad that someone would stoop that low to incriminate someone.. especially someone that you don't know and has never done anything to you personally. (General you mmkay?) reg

Call me crazy but, don't they have better things to do?

AND the local authorities? >>

I don't think you really understand the situation. The FBI themselves have announced last month they were going to take a lot more strict measures against software piracy and just last week they showed exactly how serious they were by raiding several computers (mostly located in universities, but they also raiding some top executives who were spreading early copies of software to software pirates)

Actually you'd be surprised too at what has happened to Buckwheet in regards to his servers.

Once these boards were shut down for 3 weeks because of someone posting child pornography on Buckwheet's server. The FBI stormed into his house and confiscated his computer equipment, not to mention when you get raided they are pretty messy.

This luckily wasn't a raid, and it wasn't taken up with the FBI either. What Buckwheet did was voluntarily offer an inspection of his computers to local authorities. (which is another word for the local police department)

I have to admit, he does take a lot of crap for running these boards, you can say you don't believe him and that's totally up to you, but even if this were some kind of lie (which it ISN'T), it's not unreasonable to ask that those on the boards comply to some simple rules regarding the way they treat others.

- Lord Kranar, human Archwizard reg

Getting a letter in email, forwarded with an email from (still unconfirmed)Hiway, then having a lawyer tell you to take your computer down to the police station to have it inspected "just in case you get slammed for something you confessed to", is a FAR...far cry from the FBI storming your home along with the local authorities for possible software piracy..

I'm just saying that was an awful dramatic recreation of what really seemed to happen.

What seems to have happened to me, is that Hiway ticked off Buckwheat and so he was banned from the boards.

There is NOTHING wrong with that, and no need to drum up another reason. Its your site, you have every right to kick people out on a whim. As a matter of fact you told him he would be removed even before this 'FBI' scare, so why make it seem like you were the hero in all of this?

Just odd to me is all,

reg

-Pirub reg

Also I didn't take my computers down to them, they did come to my house to search it and the contents of my house again.

To expand upon the situation:

When I was 14 I was at my friend house and he was raided by the FBI and local police for having a dialup BBS that hosted pirated software. Since I was present at the time of the raid my information was taken down and stored in a file with my name on it for future use.

Then a couple months ago one of the users on my server hid some child porn in his directory and linked back to it with a site made over seas. The files were distributed and my server was reported to the FBI again. However they take porn more seriously then they do a 14 year old involved in minor piracy crimes.

As for then knowing about what I did previsouly there is no evidence to convict. There are no CD's and there is no cash. However because this was reported and I have a "record" they did search my residence and this was to prove my innocence and since it was proven this morning the legal action is over with.

So this has been something in the works for almost two weeks. It wasn't just something that occured with in 24 hours, several of my closest friends knew this was going on in the backgroud.

Buckwheet

Buckwheet reg