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110 armor ranks
161 shield use
161 blunt weapons
161 CM
322 known spells
161 ranks in spell aim
161 ranks in perception
50 climb
50 swim
322 ranks in mana share
maxed in health points
considerable amount of MO (what would be a logical amount?)
And a considerable amount of MIU, and scroll.

Mike

Zanagan reg

Pick pockets great fer clerics...MUAHAH

im sure some first aid would help there zan.. poke

and id prolly want to have at least 50 ranks of scroll reading and magic item use just incase...

jes some ideas..

reg

Sonic reg

I heard 2x share for life helps with 319?

Mike reg

I'm going to be moving to Multi-Opps of course.

W/O tripling of course.

My spell lists currently are MnS 50 MjS 50 and Clerical 185.

I'm going to continually just do 2x clerical and increase my brawling as well as spell aiming.
reg

I _am_ the mod in the cleric folder.

I'd love a conversation about this over there! reg

Mike reg

Sonic reg

and i think spell aimin is gonna be vital fer clerics, cause of ferstly 319 and courding to zentalins site it may become necessary in 302'ing so shrug 3/3 isnt too bad its good to have not like wizards and multi opponents...grumble reg

Sonic reg

Buckwheet reg

Any before you say this is impossible, My cleric will look like this at 160, plus 110 ranks in trading too

-=Insomniac=-
reg

I don't wanna clutter up the concerns folder. reg

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Originally posted by Rusval:
Ahhh sorry, i thought he was point that out as a perfect character not as his...smirk

and i think spell aimin is gonna be vital fer clerics, cause of ferstly 319 and courding to zentalins site it may become necessary in 302'ing so shrug 3/3 isnt too bad its good to have not like wizards and multi opponents...grumble

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According to Jaeden/Zentalin?

Well it must be written in stone then!

J/K reg

Buckwheet>>

Ok, well I for one know more about Zentalin than anyone on this board. I also know that he has no idea about SA or MS ever being critical to spells. Zentalin is the oldest/closest to optimized cleric in the game. He's got the best stats of any aged character in the game without a doubt. His creator knew what he was doing when he first made him. I've discussed the usefulness of SA and I've seen how useless it is for him in action. The reason he got SA is because he didn't have much else to put TPs into. In retrospect, being more heavily dedicated to MO would have been better, however MO wasn't a useful skill at the time.

Zentalin will prove to be the best cleric once he caps, however SA will not be a contributing fact.

Sonic reg

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He's got the best stats of any aged character in the game without a doubt.

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and then...

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Zentalin will prove to be the best cleric once he caps, however SA will not be a contributing fact.

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Now keeping in mind that you were asked for facts, I will assume these are not your opinions, but the facts, which was supposedly the purpose of your response to Buckwheet asking for facts, and not opinions.

Given the above...you must have some serious connections to be able to check out every single existing account's characters in the game's database. Afterall, you wouldn't want to mislead anyone by stating an opinion and claiming it as fact, would you?

Again, I'm impressed. Who are your connections, that you have access to the database to check every other character that exists in the entire game? Enquiring minds wanna know!

R
reg

And exactly how well does Zentalin RP?

plz?

thx?

Yes those are just 2 of the slew of words that Zentalin/Jaeden uses to talk.

He makes a mockery of the game.

reg

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Originally posted by Alfador:
<<Prove it without a doubt.

Buckwheet>>

Ok, well I for one know more about Zentalin than anyone on this board. I also know that he has no idea about SA or MS ever being critical to spells. Zentalin is the oldest/closest to optimized cleric in the game. He's got the best stats of any aged character in the game without a doubt. His creator knew what he was doing when he first made him. I've discussed the usefulness of SA and I've seen how useless it is for him in action. The reason he got SA is because he didn't have much else to put TPs into. In retrospect, being more heavily dedicated to MO would have been better, however MO wasn't a useful skill at the time.

Zentalin will prove to be the best cleric once he caps, however SA will not be a contributing fact.

Sonic

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As well I can think of hmm...

4 other characters that have completely optimized stats at their level that were around hmm...before the owner of Jaeden was probably old enough to get to the keyboard. Yes...as Desh states...do _not_ make statements that have absolutely no factual or statistical backup. It just continually hurts your argument Alfador. There's no possible way that you would have known that Zentalin has the best stats when he caps out. It's simply impossible.

What you're saying is basically there's no other character that has better stats/training then Zentalin @ his cap?

My opinion:

1. Who cares
2. Scintillion part 2

reg

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Originally posted by Omni:
Wanted to move it over here guys.

As well as give you my take on it.

I believe that mana sharing is going to be incredibly involved in repelling. I also feel that repelling is going to take on more of a mana disrupt approach to harming a target. Therefore, coupled with spell aiming, I feel that mana sharing is going to be vital in determining damage.

Currently I'm going 1x spell aiming and 2x mana sharing. I feel like that's definitely the way to go.

As for the ambush question.

Heh...if only Cru were around so I could smack him. He was the biggest fan of the ambushing cleric and now look what has happened :P

Post what you all think...would love to hear some ideas.

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Originally posted by Zanagodly:
I would of done ambushing as well if I made my character in the past, 1x hide, 1x ambush was a great option for clerics, but finally the GMs realize "uhh there are 3x hide,2x ambush rogues who have no ambushing advantage over a 1x/1x cleric" heh....they are smart ones

Mike

Zanagan

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Originally posted by Omni:
Exactly Zan.

I would have love to had eliminated ambush/hiding however, as well as my picking/disarming.

I would have loved to have full spell aiming as well as brawling.

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For someone whose character sucks, you sure seem to know a lot about optimization, Desharei. I can tell by your ideologies and attitude that your character was bootleg in terms of stats and skills. What do you think is the best stat growth race for a Cleric, or Wizard? This isn't an opinionated question, it's factual.

I've seen Scint's stats and training. He wasn't perfect either. His stats were not as good as Zent's. I can say this with confidence as I've seen both. He made a serious mistake by singling shield and doubling armor. He got MS, he was like .4x picking. Optimized Omni? I think not. Sagan knew what he was doing with rogues long before Scint, but supposedly Sagan didn't exactly use the most orthodox methods. I dunno, that's just what I've heard.

Omni, I can easily say that Zent's stats are the best clerical stats at his age. He had a virtually flawless roll. A high total, and the right numbers in the right slots. He didn't get his first 100 until like 85. Here is Zent at 92:

Constitution (CO): 93 .... 36
Dexterity (DE): 99 .... 24
Discipline (DI): 100 .... 35
Logic (LO): 95 .... 27
Intelligence (IN): 88 .... 19
Strength (ST): 95 .... 32
Reflexes (RE): 99 .... 19
Charisma (CH): 100 .... 15
Wisdom (WI): 100 .... 25
Aura (AU): 99 .... 14

I bet you've seen much better stats at that age right?

That's what I thought.

Sonic reg

Continually bashing my character is a result of your frustration with my obviously superior training/stats, and the fact that I dispatched you with such ease being almost a fourth of your age.
-Zentalin reg

Sonic reg

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For someone whose character sucks, you sure seem to know a lot about optimization, Desharei. I can tell by your ideologies and attitude that your character was bootleg in terms of stats and skills. What do you think is the best stat growth race for a Cleric, or Wizard? This isn't an opinionated question, it's factual.

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What the heck are you talking about? You know nothing about the character I played in GS, other than perhaps her name and profession. Bootleg? I don't know what definition you've decided to assign to that word, but the word bootleg according to the usual sources (dictionaries are your friends) implies stolen or illegally copied.

So you're saying I stole my stats and skills? How in the seven pales did I do that? From whom? Using what method of thievery, praytell? C'mon darlin, you're the one with all the "facts." I'd love to hear this one.

Try REALLY hard to understand those things of which you speak, before placing a finger on the keyboard, son.

R

Oh by the way - I don't know where you got the idea that I claimed any understanding of optimization. I don't. And personally I don't even care about optimization. I DO care when someone comes to the Forum that I help to moderate, spouts opinions and call them facts, and then gets huffy when someone calls their bluff.

[This message has been edited by Desharei (edited 09-20-2001).] reg

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Originally posted by Insomniac:
161 Armor ranks
161 Shield use
161 Blunt weapons
161 CM
322 Known spells
161 ranks in spell aim
161 ranks in perception
80 Climb
80 Swim
161 ranks in mana share
40 ranks in PT
40 ranks in MO
322 ranks in FA
161 ranks in MIU
161 ranks in Scroll

Any before you say this is impossible, My cleric will look like this at 160, plus 110 ranks in trading too

-=Insomniac=-

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Id love to see how exactly your going to pull that off. What race? initial roll etc.. In my year or so of rerolling I have never come close to getting my cleric to look like that. reg

You are right about not knowing anything about optimization. Here is my question though: Why bother posting in a topic regarding optimization when you freely imply that you do know nothing about it? That seems like the wasted bandwidth Buckwheet indirectly accused me and a few others of doing.

Sonic reg

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You're obviously not a golfer. reg

reg

Sonic reg

Im awesome reg

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Originally posted by Alfador:
I've seen the stats and skills of more characters than you would think. 90% of the characters I see are pretty bad. Occassionally I'll see someone that had the right idea just didn't really grind through the rough spots.

For someone whose character sucks, you sure seem to know a lot about optimization, Desharei. I can tell by your ideologies and attitude that your character was bootleg in terms of stats and skills. What do you think is the best stat growth race for a Cleric, or Wizard? This isn't an opinionated question, it's factual.

I've seen Scint's stats and training. He wasn't perfect either. His stats were not as good as Zent's. I can say this with confidence as I've seen both. He made a serious mistake by singling shield and doubling armor. He got MS, he was like .4x picking. Optimized Omni? I think not. Sagan knew what he was doing with rogues long before Scint, but supposedly Sagan didn't exactly use the most orthodox methods. I dunno, that's just what I've heard.

Omni, I can easily say that Zent's stats are the best clerical stats at his age. He had a virtually flawless roll. A high total, and the right numbers in the right slots. He didn't get his first 100 until like 85. Here is Zent at 92:

Constitution (CO): 93 .... 36
Dexterity (DE): 99 .... 24
Discipline (DI): 100 .... 35
Logic (LO): 95 .... 27
Intelligence (IN): 88 .... 19
Strength (ST): 95 .... 32
Reflexes (RE): 99 .... 19
Charisma (CH): 100 .... 15
Wisdom (WI): 100 .... 25
Aura (AU): 99 .... 14

I bet you've seen much better stats at that age right?

That's what I thought.

Sonic

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Actually I have.

Would you like for me to get proof for you Alfador? There's a half-elf ranger that had full 100's by the age of 87. Anyone that can guess...be my guest.

You haven't been around very long Alfador. As you might know...stats from way before AOL were setup in a completely different way in which you could have a level 10 character with 5 100's. It was completely possible.

Secondly...good for Jaeden. Yes...I know Zentalin's quite an amazing character as I've seen him hunt, etc. etc. Zeyrin (Striling's little cleric) was also incredibly impressive. He too was a dwarf.

Thirdly, Scintillion was not perfect yes.

And lastly...Alfador...I really don't know what you are trying to accomplish with your posts on the boards. I'm quite amused at how much hatred you have towards the basic human race. Couldn't we tone it down a bit and possibly have some rational arguments?

Thanks. reg

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Originally posted by Alfador:
Yap yap yap, bitch bitch bitch, it doesn't mean anything. Before the flaming started I was contributing what I consider useful information. Most others in this topic haven't. If you want to keep taking shots, do so, I don't care. But how about if no one has anything useful to say, shut up?

Sonic

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Then you should've shutup a longtime ago :P
reg

And that same character at level 10,000 would also only have 5 100's.

The reason I didn't shut up was because at first I was reasonably contributing. I felt that gave me the right to defend what I had to say against people that clearly only had the intent of instigating me. Think what you want, you're the one whose head was splattered open by a guy 100 levels below you.

Sonic reg

I'm starting a new topic in this folder regarding stat optimization. reg