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CO 73
DE 79
DI 53
LO 53
IN 67
ST 78
RE 67
CH 67
WI 30
AU 73

This is, of course, after bonuses and all that. Here is his training at 1:
1x Armor
1x Shield
1x CM
1x Blunt
2x Spells
1x Mana Share
1x Physical

At 6 he begins 1x Multi-ops every other level, and at 16 he continues it for life
At 21 he begins 1x Climbing for life
At 25 he begins 1x Swimming for life
At 38 he begins 1x Brawling for life (Wanted to choose an extra weapon type simple for redux purposes, I could use another skill however)
At 42 he gets redux.
I plan on doing COL.

My questions would be: A. Does this training plan look good? If not, what should I change? B. Do I really need 1x share for life or should I quit at 200%? C. When does armor cap (so I can dump it in favor of another skill) D. Is it possible to "lose" redux? Like if I start tripling in spells, can the penalty acctually get so high it causes my redux to go back down again (I don't know the actual formula for redux... I just know what skills go in it) and E. Should I take brawling even though it won't help me simply because of it's value in redux, or should I choose another skill instead (I noticed that if I take brawling as opposed to pick pockets my redux is a bit better).

Any questions/comments/suggestions would be welcome, and you can IM them if you wish.

Bombsonengland reg

I'm amazed that the system is actually going to work well as I've seen you set it up.

I'm also impressed with your training. It must be nice now knowing that you don't have to train in lockpicking or disarming anymore. I wish I would've known it from the beginning now with my 94 ranks of lockpicking and 78 ranks of disarming. What a complete waste.

MO is incredibly nice too. I haven't even started training in it yet and I'm 137. I _do_ think that 2x mana sharing is going to be completely vital down the road. For some reason I don't know why I feel that way...but somewhere I read that repelling might be based off of mana sharing skill. I'd train in mana sharing 2x every level if I could...which is what I'm doing right now. I'm also training 1x spell aiming every level from now on.

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Sonic reg

Also Id leave out spell aiming, and I would make sure and get perception, and first aid.

Id say climbing and swimming and brawling are useless to do for the rest of your trainings.. brawling isn't helping anything.. and you don't need that many ranks in climbing and swimming to be proficient. 50 each is more than enough..

Of course.. that's unless I am mistaken and clerics can get redux..?

Heres my cleric.. hasnt trained in like 6 months. Am I lazy or what?

Race: Half-Elven Profession: Cleric (not shown)
Gender: Male Age: 32 Expr: 55911 Level: 5
Currently Stat Bonus
Constitution (CO): 60 .... 5
Dexterity (DE): 97 .... 28
Discipline (DI): 53 .... -4
Logic (LO): 58 .... 4
Intelligence (IN): 61 .... 5
Strength (ST): 57 .... 3
Reflexes (RE): 90 .... 30
Charisma (CH): 75 .... 17
Wisdom (WI): 60 .... 5
Aura (AU): 90 .... 20
Mana: 5 Silver: 0

(at level 5), your skill bonuses and ranks are:
Skill Bonus Rank
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Armor Use : 30 [6]
Shield Use : 30 [6]
Combat Maneuvers : 30 [6]
Edged Weapons : 30 [6]
Climbing : 5 [1]
Perception : 30 [6]
Mana Sharing : 30 [6]
Physical Training : 30 [6]
First Aid : 30 [6]
Physical Training Points : 4

Your spell lists:
Major Spirit......4
Minor Spirit......3
Cleric Circle.....5
Use SPELL ALL to view detailed list of spells.

And me maxs pretty late, at 140.

Also.. hunting characters with stats placed for maximum growth, is really really hard until they get old.. like 50-60. Most people cant or don't want to take the time/effort to do it solo.. so they have slaves to help out. reg

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Bombsonengland reg

Actually the penalty exponentially increases with each spell up the list.

Having 1 spell in a single list (1 x 1) = 1
Having 2 spells in a single list (2 x 2) = 4
Having 20 spells in a single list (20 x 20)= 400

This penalty also accumulates over each list.

So for a cleric to have redux, it would require keeping your spells down in each list.

Further help can be found ingame HELP under I believe DFREDUX.

Krylan
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I myself was looking into the possibility of a cleric having redux.

I think it could be possible only if you decided never to use CS based spells and only rely on your arm.

Currently I don't think a cleric like that would survive to long, but I could be wrong.

Just seems that once cleric get to fire mages and above swinging becomes almost non-existant.

Buckwheet reg

Having 1 spell in a single list (1 x 1) = 1
Having 2 spells in a single list (2 x 2) = 4
Having 20 spells in a single list (20 x 20)= 400

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Yep, except for one tiny correction to the formula, which can make for an even bigger difference.

If you have 20 spells in a single list, the penalty is 20*21 = 420. Just a minor correction, the point however remains:

SPELLS KILL REDUX

- Lord Kranar, human Archwizard reg

Sonic reg

Sonic reg

Blind and bind worked rather well both times.

I heard lots of clerics blind their way through mages and group hunt. I am sure some still swing, I personally have done both, bind then ambush, and also just blind them and let a rogue remove their head.

Buckwheet reg

Clerics _used_ to be able to blind in mages and sprites and gain a bunch of experience...that's all changed now.

Clerics also _used_ to be able to bind aivrens, then ambush their heads (If you had sufficient ambushing) on Plane 3. That's pretty hard now. I remember seeing Jamousii running through Plane 3 using this tactic.

After that...I don't know of any time I've used my weapon other than to slaughter a deadly kobold or rolton outside the north gate. reg

Your spell is ready.
>You gesture at an aivren.
CS: +618 - TD: +458 + CvA: +25 + d100: +37 == +222
Warding failed!
Its eyes cloud over, becoming a milky blue.
(Forcing stance down to guarded)
Cast Roundtime 3 Seconds.
>hideYou look around, but can't see anywhere to hide.
>ehide
[The Rift]
A small wooden sign sits before you, ancient writing scrawled across the surface. Just behind it, a huge pit extends deep into the ground. An unusual silence hangs heavily over the area, broken occasionally by a metallic squeak from the pit. Looking inside, you see thousands of small, grooved metal rods imbedded in the walls rotating slowly. The further down the pit extends, the more narrow it becomes until you can see no more. You also see a rickety wooden staircase.
Obvious paths: east, west.
>You look around, but can't see anywhere to hide.
>ww
[The Rift]
Iridescent grey slime crawls over the walls, ceiling and floor, seeming to pulsate and almost breathe. The air is heavy with moisture, and thick with the scents of jasmine and decay. You also see an aivren (stunned).
Obvious exits: east, west.
>hide
[The Rift]
Mist swirls and flows around a small monument here. A man lies on the ground face down, quite dead. There are ten longswords protruding from his back, from the tip of the neck to the back of the knees. Small rivulets of blood have dried as they left the body, forming an unusual pattern in the dirt.
Obvious paths: east, west.
Roundtime: 3 sec.
You attempt to blend with the surroundings and feel confident that no one has noticed your doing so.
>sneak eRoundtime: 3 sec.

[The Rift]
Iridescent grey slime crawls over the walls, ceiling and floor, seeming to pulsate and almost breathe. The air is heavy with moisture, and thick with the scents of jasmine and decay. You also see an aivren (stunned).
Obvious exits: east, west.
>stance oYou are now in an offensive stance.
>ambush ai headYou leap from hiding to attack!
You swing a sapphire-hilt Eonake falchion at an aivren!
AS: +431 vs DS: +370 with AvD: +34 + d100 roll: +89 = +184
... and hit for 77 points of damage!
Gruesome, slashing blow to the side of the aivren's head!
Skull split open! Brain (and life) vanishes in a fine mist.
The aivren crashes to the ground motionless.
The aivren regains its sight and focus.
Roundtime: 6 sec.

I'm a few years older but you can still do that around 115 or so provided you have enough ambush. reg

Then you would start having some problems, and lots of problems after that.

Not to mention the supposed downtweak to hiding and ambushing.

Buckwheet reg

Training would be about the same. reg

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