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XXXXXX (at level 11), your skill bonuses and ranks are:
Skill Bonus Rank
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Armor Use : 58 [12]
Shield Use : 58 [12]
Combat Maneuvers : 58 [12]
Edged Weapons : 58 [12]
Climbing : 10 [2]
Swimming : 5 [1]
Scroll Reading : 5 [1]
Mana Sharing : 99 [23]
Physical Training : 58 [12]
First Aid : 35 [7]
Physical Training Points : 1
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Wisdom I placed high because I can't stand not having decent mana and CS.

I doubled in share because I wanted to be able to raise at 12. After next level, I'll lay off share until I can get it to a full 1x (unless someone can give me a reason why). So.. opinions? reg

I won't comment on stats, we all have our own motives on how to place.. my stats at 99.

Constitution (CO): 96 .... 38
Dexterity (DE): 100 .... 25
Discipline (DI): 100 .... 35
Logic (LO): 98 .... 29
Intelligence (IN): 89 .... 19
Strength (ST): 98 .... 34
Reflexes (RE): 100 .... 20
Charisma (CH): 100 .... 15
Wisdom (WI): 100 .... 25
Aura (AU): 100 .... 15
981 stat total. 58 mental, 59 physical TPs.

Unfortunately, the way you placed, yours will not come close. Dex grows extremely slow, as does charisma. Placing non optimized may be easier at lower levels, but with each train, you miss out on potential you could have had. Your skills will suffer, because as you age, you will have less growth in terms of TPs, and you won't be able to train in things that you might have.

Armor Use : 172 [72]
Shield Use : 200 [100]
Combat Maneuvers : 200 [100]
Blunt Weapons : 200 [100]
Climbing : 150 [50]
Swimming : 150 [50]
Multi-Opponent Combat : 96 [22]
Perception : 180 [80]
Scroll Reading : 154 [54]
Magic Item Use : 154 [54]
Mana Sharing : 200 [100]
Spell Aiming : 200 [100]
Physical Training : 99 [23]
First Aid : 140 [40]
Picking Pockets : 140 [40]

I feel I could have done better with my skills, being full 1xed in armor, percep, etc..
My spells:
Your spell lists:
Major Spirit......69
Minor Spirit......51
Cleric Circle.....99
Training for bind CS. 434 bind, 461 repel.

My advice to you, is to begin training in perception, magic item, scroll reading, and multi opponent combat. I'd get 5 ranks of MO- ASAP, and then consider moving towards 40 ranks. 40 ranks of MO is extremely useful for the undead gap, and is attainable with the excess of TPs a cleric has. (Especially when placed optimized.)
Also, avoid doubling in skills and then not training in them for a while at all, and then going back to singling. Try to reduce the number of TPs you waste.
Hope I was of any help.
-Zentalin

[This message has been edited by Zentalin (edited 03-10-2002).] reg

[This message has been edited by Gnomad (edited 03-10-2002).] reg

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Originally posted by Zentalin:
I think that you could have trained in more core skills.

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Oh, I'm sure I could have. The 2x share is eating up my mental TP's right now, but after I get to 102 skill I'll stop until I'm at a full 1x. Then I'll begin to get some more scroll reading, perception and MIU.

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Unfortunately, the way you placed, yours will not come close. Dex grows extremely slow, as does charisma. Placing non optimized may be easier at lower levels, but with each train, you miss out on potential you could have had. Your skills will suffer, because as you age, you will have less growth in terms of TPs, and you won't be able to train in things that you might have.

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I've never placed much weight on assigning to growth, at least if it's pure growth or if it involves compromising mana.

I knew DE grew really slow for clerics, but I couldn't rationalize placing a higher number into it. CH I'm not concerned about, giantment get a small bonus to it anyway, and when it gets to a non-positive number I'll be happy. Besides, there's still 50 levels to go through even if I was optimized, I might as well have a good time.

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My advice to you, is to begin training in perception, magic item, scroll reading, and multi opponent combat. I'd get 5 ranks of MO- ASAP, and then consider moving towards 40 ranks. 40 ranks of MO is extremely useful for the undead gap, and is attainable with the excess of TPs a cleric has. (Especially when placed optimized.)

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I'm definitely aiming for at least 5 ranks of MO for all my characters (more for the semi and physical ones), though for my cleric I think I'll start when my PT is maxed, probably around 20 or so.

Thanks for you help, Zentalin.
reg

I'm somewhat placed for optimization but I also placed for ease of hunting. With this, I'm only 1.2 physical points and 1.8 mental points behind Zentalin. What else would I do with those measly points? Get an extra first aid rank every now and then or maybe an extra spell every 35 levels?

What counts is getting the most training points in the beginging so that you can be fully singled in certain skills. When you place for optimization, while you get a bit more training points at the end, sometimes you don't get the training points you need in the begining so you can't be fully singled in skills. Being optimized is only good for picking up secondary skills in the future that you aren't fully trained in.

- Pudgee reg

My advice would be to put at LEAST a 60 in Wis so you can take advantage of the excellent growth a low wisdom will give you. Same with DI
-Zent reg

Alright he smells and his momma dresses him funny. Could be worse though he coulda been a dark elf.

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Anticor Rifling, Giantman Wizard reg

Heh.

>>My advice would be to put at LEAST a 60 in Wis so you can take advantage of the excellent growth a low wisdom will give you. Same with DI

Yeah, same here. I started with a 60 (not counting the profession bonus) in wisdom and I've had no mana problems at all...even in the begining.

However, I'd at least make DI a bit higher than 60. If it were any other attribute besides DI or AU, I'd go for a 60, but with those two attributes, they don't just add physical or mental points, they add BOTH. So for every 10 bonus, you would normally get 1/0 or 0/1 extra training points, but here you get 1/1.

I stuck an 86 is discipline so it's a bit low, yet still high. It won't hit 100 until level 42 which is a reasonable growth time without having to wait too long.

But keep in mind with DI and AU...if you stick a 60 in DI, you lose 4/4 training points each level if it were a 100. Since I stuck an 86 in it, I'd gain 2.6/2.6 training points over your 60 and early on is when you need the most training points.

- Pudgee

reg

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Originally posted by AnticorRifling:
Make fun of my cleric....

Alright he smells and his momma dresses him funny. Could be worse though he coulda been a dark elf.

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I had a pretty nice dark elf cleric once upon a time. I doubt he would be anywhere near the best but I enjoyed playing him and he didn't have any problems doing anything, except raise the dead maybe.

Which makes me think... With the new cleric raise changes, anyone think the dark elf is a more viable way to go about things with a cleric?

[This message has been edited by Dustin Brookthorn (edited 03-13-2002).] reg

Purely from a clerical spell view-point? I'd say yes.

Overall? If they still remained in Voln. They could still be in the council, but they wouldn't be as great as other races can be.

- Pudgee reg

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Anticor Rifling, Giantman Wizard reg