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Forging: Can't learn from glyph, learning anyhow?

06:21 PMSkaster introduced me to forging, and I've been trying my hand at it.

I've about 100 crafting aha's (113 to be precise) and at 105 of them, I started seeing messages when I gazed at the handle and head glyphs, as well as my wax dagger- hilt glyph.

The message says:
Gazing intently at the glyph, you are able to recognize that it is too simple a design for you to learn anything from during the process of creating this item.

And yet, when I craft the hammer-handle, I still get that faithful old.

Aha, you learned something that time.

For those interested I'll paste a direct bunch of one handle making in the next message.

Does anyone know whether I am or am not learning?

For now, I'm keeping track of those crafting ahas seperately.

Lothiel Vonderblatt
Elven Craftsman

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So. Incredible crit-weighting, you say. Hmmmm. reg

06:23 PMGazing intently at the glyph, you are able to recognize that it is too simple a design for you to learn anything from during the process of creating this item.

The forging-hammer glyph glows brightly, and the outline from the forging-hammer head-glyph slowly etches itself onto the surface of the bronze in your hand.

Your material is marked with a pattern, next you'll need to shape it somehow. Glancing around you see the grinder and the doorway to the forging chamber.

Round Time: 30 sec.
R> turn grinder
...wait 23 seconds.
R> turn grinder

You give the grinding wheel a powerful shove to get it spinning, then move nimbly to take your seat at the wheel.

Roundtime: 105 sec.
Rs>
You set your right foot against the already moving rocker pedal and begin pumping to set the wheel spinning more quickly.

Settling the bronze bar comfortably in your left hand, you press it against the spinning stone. Bits of bronze leap into the air as the rough stone eats away at it.

Rs>
Dim, reddish sparks leap from the spinning wheel as you grind away at your bronze bar.

Rs>
Dim, reddish sparks leap from the spinning wheel as you grind away at your bronze bar.

Rs>
* Saphyr just bit the dust!
Rs>
Dim, reddish sparks leap from the spinning wheel as you grind away at your bronze bar.

Rs>
Dim, reddish sparks leap from the spinning wheel as you grind away at your bronze bar.

Rs>
Dim, reddish sparks leap from the spinning wheel as you grind away at your bronze bar.

Rs>
Things seem to be going okay, but this is more difficult than you expected. After grinding for what seems like an eternity you realize that the scribed pattern has been chewed away, but the remaining bronze doesn't look like anything yet.

You decide the safest thing to do now is to re-scribe the bronze bar with the glyph and try again. That's assuming the bar is still large enough to hold the pattern.

Resignedly, you get to your feet.


Aha, you learned something that time.

R> reg
11:01 PMYou're still learning. The message you're getting has to do with the glyph and weapon types you're trying to scribe.

There are 5 or 6 weapon categories - OHE, OHB, polearm, 2Handed, 2handed edged, and brawling (I'm not sure if 2handed and 2HE are seperate, someone correct me if you know for sure), with 4 subcategories each. For example:

(OHE category):
1. dagger
2. short sword
3. main gauche
4. longsword

When you first begin, you're only able to scribe the easiest glyph on the menu - #1. After sufficient practice, you're able to move up to the next one. If you wanted to make, say, a longsword, you would need to practice with a main gauche glyph first. The message you're receiving means you're ready to move up to short sword.

[This message has been edited by Taernath (edited 01-10-2002).] reg

07:10 AMThere's a bug on the hammer glyphs which has to be fixed so that you don't see that message, but you'll always learn from hammer pieces when grinding and using the vice. reg
01:58 PMAhhh. Thank you.

I'd imagined I was still learning, and I issued an ASSIST REQUEST to clear it up as well.

As CrystalTears says, it is in fact a bug in the hammer glyphs.

More on topic of what Taernath said, however, I would like to know if 2HB and 2HE are the same category? Does anyone have information to that effect?

Second, does anyone keep a list of available glyphs, and where one can get them?

Thirdly, how do I get my hands on invar, many months in the future, when I wish to work it? And do I need enchanted tempering oil for invar? reg

02:10 PM
quote:
Originally posted by Lothiel:
More on topic of what Taernath said, however, I would like to know if 2HB and 2HE are the same category? Does anyone have information to that effect?

Second, does anyone keep a list of available glyphs, and where one can get them?

Thirdly, how do I get my hands on invar, many months in the future, when I wish to work it? And do I need enchanted tempering oil for invar?

Edged and blunt weapons are two different types, so if you were making a two handed edged and a two handed blunt, you would be learning two different styles of weapons.

I wish I knew this too. I think I'm going to ask around to my fellow forgers and see what glyphs they have available.

I'm not sure if invar is available for forging yet. All of the magical metals are not available to purchase yet for weapons, and when they do they will be expensive and rare. reg

02:47 PMBoth invar and the longsword glyph are available in Zul Logoth. There are usually lists floating around on the official boards - I'll try and dig one up for a repost.

As to enchanted tempering oil, you'll need it for invar. Keep in mind that you need to create a forging hammer made of magic materials before you can start forging magic weapons. reg

08:56 PM
quote:
Originally posted by CrystalTears:
Edged and blunt weapons are two different types, so if you were making a two handed edged and a two handed blunt, you would be learning two different styles of weapons.

I haven't played around with this in forging yet, but i can say with 99.9% confidance that your statement is wrong. All two-handed weapons (not counting polearms) are in the same class. reg

09:54 PMGnomad is correct.

To be more precise....

Any weapon that requires the 2-handed weapon skill to use is just two-handed, not two-handed edged/two-handed blunt etc. Although in theory it might 'look' like an edged weapon, it is in fact a two-handed weapon.

So, to sum up... There is no such thing as two-handed edged or two-handed blunt, It's just a two-handed weapon.

-=Insomniac=- reg

10:13 PMWell I stand corrected then.. my apologies. Just saying I'm wrong is plenty though. No need to give me figures. ::snickers:: reg