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The Symbol of Thought begins to burn in your mind and you hear Morgatha thinking, "anyone know anyone who's up in Elven Nations? Cryheart died up there in the blighted forest"

The Symbol of Thought begins to burn in your mind and you hear Drizzsdt thinking, "Morgatha don't do that. You know it's wrong."

The Symbol of Thought begins to burn in your mind and you hear Larenusia thinking, "Here we go."

The Symbol of Thought begins to burn in your mind and you hear Morgatha thinking, "huh? asking for help is wrong....hmmmm"

The Symbol of Thought begins to burn in your mind and you hear Jubaal thinking, "wrong how? if ya know where your friend is and ya have a feeling they've died.. "

The Symbol of Thought begins to burn in your mind and you hear Morgatha thinking, "he was helped"

The Symbol of Thought begins to burn in your mind and you hear Jacinto thinking, "Your name is Drizzsdt. How is this wrong?"

The Symbol of Thought begins to burn in your mind and you hear Drizzsdt thinking, "don't even get into it folks. There is no way to know that"

The Symbol of Thought begins to burn in your mind and you hear Larenusia thinking, "Don't know you know the voln net isn't for help? It's for drizz to piss and moan"

The Symbol of Thought begins to burn in your mind and you hear Amrenza thinking, "How about you argue face to face and keep yer thoughts out of my head, mm?"

>symbol of thought Ask yourself how you'd know someone in the Nations needed help.
You concentrate on the Symbol of Thought.

The Symbol of Thought begins to burn in your mind and you hear Sylesta thinking, "Indeed Summerlyn, indeed"

You sense Drizzsdt looking in on you.

The Symbol of Thought begins to burn in your mind and you hear Larenusia thinking, "Isn't Summer Drizz's wife?"

The Symbol of Thought begins to burn in your mind and you hear Jorddyn thinking, "I missed a wedding?!?"

The Symbol of Thought begins to burn in your mind and you hear Larenusia thinking, "Well..fiance."

The Symbol of Thought begins to burn in your mind and you hear Delyorik thinking, "I'm far from related to either Summerlyn or Drizzsdt, and I concur with them both."

The Symbol of Thought begins to burn in your mind and you hear Sylesta thinking, "What's that got to do with anything??? "

symbol of thought And I'm not allowed an opinion?
You concentrate on the Symbol of Thought.

The Symbol of Thought begins to burn in your mind and you hear Larenusia thinking, "Pathetic."

The Symbol of Thought begins to burn in your mind and you hear Jacinto thinking, "On the last bit, I actually agree with Sylesta."

The Symbol of Thought begins to burn in your mind and you hear Drizzsdt thinking, "not yet, but now you know why I"m marrying her, she has common sense. Something that seems to elude most in the lands these days"

The Symbol of Thought begins to burn in your mind and you hear Larenusia thinking, "The pot calling the kettle black."

The Symbol of Thought begins to burn in your mind and you hear Sylesta thinking, "you people are just ornery, you know that there's no way in this world you'd know about something happening in the Nations without divine intervention and I think the Lords of Liabo got better things to do"

The Symbol of Thought begins to burn in your mind and you hear Neralin thinking, "I'm not related ta any of ya, and I think y'all should just drop it. We all know nobody's going to get convinced of anyone else's point of view, so shut up."

The Symbol of Thought begins to burn in your mind and you hear Amrenza thinking, "Anyone have a seashell I could borrow, mmm?"

The Symbol of Thought begins to burn in your mind and you hear Garaven thinking, "i have one thing to say to those who take things too serious. PPPPLLBBBTTTTT"

The Symbol of Thought begins to burn in your mind and you hear Jacinto thinking, "There's no way we'd know about these thoughts that people use mainly to complain on without divine intervention. Think on that."

Now, I know I'll never be elected Roleplayer of the year, but this whole thing annoyed me a tad. First of all, just because I happened to agree with Drizz (for once), my opinion was disregarded because of our relationship. I hadn't see Drizz, or talked to him yet, I didn't have that box turned on, and I never wear an amulet. He was sighting me to try to figure out where I was. I agreed with the point he was trying to make, and would have voiced my opinion, if I knew him, or not.

The point was that someone in Wehnimer's wouldn't know that their friend had died in Elven Nations, and the location of his dead corpse. I've decayed many times because I don't use modern means to send an SOS. I don't expect everyone to share my opinions, but it just seems more and more that people aren't thinking about what is possible, and what isn't possible.

At times, it's really jarring to hear some of these things, and surprising that it seems to be considered standard behavior by so many.

And I don't have a clue what that pot comment was about.... anyone that knows me, knows I wouldn't get close to anything having to do with cookin'!

Summer

reg

If two people are good friends, and one goes on a trip to a place they've been before, it is certainly possible for one to tell the other,

"I'm going to the Elven Nations to see how well my skills fare against the creatures of the Blighted Forest. Pray for me, that Lorminstra bless my unworthy hide!"

And then, when the first senses the death of her friend, she would know the area in which he died. And of course as a friend she would call out for aid.

That is theoretically.

I don't see any need to challenge or question the means of determining this information, and further, doing so could draw attention to OOC activities which is ALSO an OOC activity in and of itself.

HOWEVER

That doesn't mean that people have the right to take potshots at each other simply because they're in a relationship with one of the parties involved.

It also doesn't mean that Morgatha would know which critter killed her friend, since I'm sure there are many different ones in the Blighted Forest and she would have no way of knowing which one it was. But there's no reason to question if she knew the general vicinity in which her friend set out to hunt.

R

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Mike

Zanagan/Zarosa reg

Jeez, Zanagan, how do you really feel about Drizz? I can't say that I agree with everything he does, or that I wouldn't handle things a bit differently, but think about his character... He's old as dirt, he's set in his ways, the customs of his past are changing rapidly. I like the mix of old and new... I appreciate elders that take the time to educate, and I like the young people that bring new life and excitement with them.

Please don't turn this into a bashing session on Drizz. I realize most people have strong opinions on him (I think I've heard 'em all!), but the topic is if you're in a relationship aren't you still allowed to have an opinion, and about a death in EN and asking for help in Wehnimer's.

Summer reg

If you're able to telekinetically hear and speak to your EN friend, perhaps you can use your divine mental powers and look for help there? I just think knowing the exact whereabouts of where a person just died without having the ability to locate them is absurd.

And unfortunately, that is human nature as far as sharing the opinion of your other half and being ridiculed for it. They figure that you're agreeing purely on the grounds that you're in a relationship, rather than assume that you actually have a mind of your own and coincidentally share the same views. I don't suppose sharing views has anything to do with the possibility of that being one of the reasons you're in a relationship in the first place?!

The same goes true for people that have to link what your spouse/fiance does with you. I've gotten heat with what my in game husband does. I'd love to know how him having an argument or problem with someone has anything to do with me, especially since I wasn't there! reg

The fact he is old as dirt doesn't give him the right to be OOC, which he blatantly was.

What makes it even worse was the OOCness of the thing he was calling someone on is debateable in the first place.

But i guess thats not the topic at hand.

Summer, were you at all surprised people drew some sort of assumption due to your relationship? I think it is a reasonable assumption.

'lood reg

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Originally posted by kelood:
Summer, were you at all surprised people drew some sort of assumption due to your relationship? I think it is a reasonable assumption.

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So you're saying because her view was the same as her fiance she's not allowed to it? It's alright for people to assume that her opinion is formed purely on her relationship with him? That's not right and I don't agree with that. reg

Actually, I was surprised, because if they know me well enough to know that I was in a relationship with him, then they should know that I rarely defend him. His battles are his to fight, and I sure don't expect, or allow him to take on any trouble that I get into. I make it clear that I'm not responsible for his actions, only my own. If I was always on the Voln Net agreeing with every word that he uttered, I could understand people disregarding my opinion, but I'm not.

Summer reg

Case in point:

SellerX is selling something on the net, you bid on it, then Buyer2 keeps upping your bid, you finally say screw it and just bid over what you want to pay because you would really like the item. You go pick it up at a table and Buyer2 is sitting right there with them, and you find out they have a friendship or relationship. You get angry thinking they were fluffing the bid, when maybe the seller was just being an honest merchant with both of you.

It just always happens that people assume that since you are with someone you know them, and that you support them 100% of the time on 100% of their issues.

Thats life in Gemstone for you.

By the way. Two more accounts are closed, and I now have 350 skill in armor crafting in DAoC.

Buckwheet reg

That's just so wrong, and it's unfair to assume that EVERYONE thinks like that... I know I sure don't. I'm friends with several couples and they all have separate and distinct opinions, beliefs, styles, etc. I enjoy presenting issues to one of my favorite couples because they are so opposite, and I know that I will get an interesting and lively discussion from both sides!

So, some people do think that if you are in a relationship, you aren't entitled to have and express your own opinion. This is surprising to me...

Summer reg

And I think that Drizz was wrong to say it out loud on the net. If you are going to correct people, do it in private, no need to embarrass them in public.

I do agree that you shouldn't ask for help for someone that far away. Because to expect to really get help for there is unrealistic. You can sense they were dead, but how could anyone else in Landing be able to do anything for someone in the Nations other than hop on the ol' OOC AIM net, and beg for help there. So therefore, why should your character expect that anyone else can do any more than she can, since the trip is 30 minutes?

Aerienne reg

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Originally posted by Aerienne:
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And I think that Drizz was wrong to say it out loud on the net. If you are going to correct people, do it in private, no need to embarrass them in public.

I do agree that you shouldn't ask for help for someone that far away. Because to expect to really get help for there is unrealistic. You can sense they were dead, but how could anyone else in Landing be able to do anything for someone in the Nations other than hop on the ol' OOC AIM net, and beg for help there. So therefore, why should your character expect that anyone else can do any more than she can, since the trip is 30 minutes?

Aerienne

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I agree.

This arguement reminds me of all the other idiots on the net who think its fine roleplaying form to answer someone who is openly OOC on the net with a wonderfully roleplayed
response such as..
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PERSON A "I love Blackhawk Down!"

Helpful PERSON B "What in the thraks name is Blackhawk Down? A new hunting area?"
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Yes, lets be OOC to show someone who is being OOC how wrong it is. Bravo.

If you really have an interest in pointing out an error to someone to aid them in their Roleplaying you don't immediately try to embarass them. Try a less abrasive method perhaps. I simply think Drizz tends to try to push people around....why, however, I really do not know.

That being said, of course no one should be calling for help for someone so far away. Its jarring and just totally ooc. I know that many will take the pov that they have some psychic conection or some such garbarge but we all know thats just what it is and there is just no excuse.
reg

So...Of course you are entitled to your opinion and of course you must also be prepared for many to assume, correctly or not, that you will side with your friend/brother/sister/spouse/whatever if there is a close and known relationship there.

But then..if your spouse is causing you difficulty on a semi-regular basis due to their interactions that to me suggests a talk or a change is called for. reg

If my methods are abrasive and embarrass the person. That is good. They should be embarrassed for not using their mental faculties to read up the policies and guides available as to what is acceptable in these lands before they run around them.

That would be like a chemist pouring a liquid on himself before reading that the liquid was acid. Just plain stupid move and you should be embarrased and disgraced.

Now on to the topic of this thread. Summer rarely agrees with me. She is a very loving person and she never wants to hurt anyone's feelings. Me, on the other hand, I don't really care. If your feelings get hurt there's a reason for it.

Drizz

reg

I don't agree. And with a debate like that on the net, I don't think that you necessarily turned 10 people off from repeating the problem. The debate then centers on people, not the issue at hand.

Aerienne
reg

Having spent some time in the east tower this past spring I would observe how Drizz and Summer interacted and it doesn't take a bright person to realize that Summer is RPing her character in a manner where the oppurtunity for her to disagree/tease Drizz is accepted by him, yet unaccepted when others may tease in a similiar fashion. She fits the mold of this high school cheerleader who is dating the school's star quaterback who thinks he is the biggest badass on the campus.

Also its kind of ironic that you both said you disagree often with each other yet on the voln net Drizz said Summer was full of common sense. Those two just don't mesh. There comes a time when a disagreement leads one person to think the other isn't logical.

Mike

Zanagan/Zarosa

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[This message has been edited by Zanagodly (edited 01-25-2002).] reg

I have a lot of common sense. I know how to find information. I am a good problem solver. I have a good understanding of the world, and know what the impact an action may have, depending on where it is taken.

HOWEVER, I may disagree with my other half on issues like abortion, a woman's place in society, capital punishment, tax laws, which sports team is the best, and any number of other issues.

Does that lessen my common sense? Absolutely not.

Does it make life interesting? Absolutely.

And what was the point of the cheerleader comparision? And what does that make you in the scenario? The social outcast?

Aerienne reg

I completely agree with the comments that Aerie made in regards to viewpoints and common sense... I couldn't have said it better!

Summer reg

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Originally posted by DUSTY:
I replied that way because it's already gone OOC. And by telling that person on the net that that action is not acceptable hopefully will educate 10 more folks that it's not acceptable to call for help for folks in another town. Therefor preventing them from doing it also.

If my methods are abrasive and embarrass the person. That is good. They should be embarrassed for not using their mental faculties to read up the policies and guides available as to what is acceptable in these lands before they run around them.

That would be like a chemist pouring a liquid on himself before reading that the liquid was acid. Just plain stupid move and you should be embarrased and disgraced.

Now on to the topic of this thread. Summer rarely agrees with me. She is a very loving person and she never wants to hurt anyone's feelings. Me, on the other hand, I don't really care. If your feelings get hurt there's a reason for it.

Drizz

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So, It sounds like you are the only one allowed to be OOC.

Ah, it's good to be the king.
reg

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So you're saying because her view was the same as her fiance she's not allowed to it? It's alright for people to assume that her opinion is formed purely on her relationship with him? That's not right and I don't agree with that.

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Its why your husband can't be on the jury of your murder trial.

It might not be the only factor, but it definately carries alot of weight.

In fact, citing summers percieved indecisivness , I would assume it was the leading factor in the opinion.

I don't see how factoring personal bias into things is somehow "wrong".

'lood reg