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I am a follower of Fash'lo'nae. Dark Elf. Wizard. Like black or dark items. Veil Iron is my favorite metal. Also love veniom or krodera.

I love ancient items but they said you can't use ancient. I want things that look like they are old and mysterious. Maybe been handed down. Antique sounds to fragile.

My question is this. Will they allow me to have the rings made of veil iron if I supply the veil iron. Can it be added to the description of the alters?

I just have no clue what I am doing.

It said the wedding rings can have some scripts. Do you get to make those or are they aleady predetermined? As with the special verbs. Are those unique to us or same as all married couples?

Now is the containers made from scratch or can I supply them so I can have a pinworn vest? Since weight is a major factor to me.

If you need anymore info just ask. They sure do make it complicated.

edge

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You see Edgeleaf Drastlore the Dark Elf Hedgewizard.
He appears to be in his 150's, has shoulder length, curly silver hair, dark eyes, and tanned skin.
He has a lightning bolt tattoo on his finger, a twisting black kraken tattoo on his ankle, a tattooed symbol of Fash'lo'nae on his neck, and an oak leaf tattoo on his ear.
He has developed slurred speech.
He is wearing some ancient silver-banded mail, an ink-black elven leather sack, an ancient veniom threaded components satchel inlaid with small veil iron runes around the edges, a ruby-dusted silver teardrop locket, an antique engagement band, a feystone-studded veniom skeleton key suspended from a fine brass neckchain, a glowing amulet, an ancient holy shroud, and a gold ring.

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* All wedding rings have the same script. When the married couple tap, or rub their rings they get a cute little message. The message changes depending on who is "awake", and where you are located. For example, if you're in the Landing and your wife is in Ice Mule, she won't "feel" you rubbing your ring, and you will get a different message than if she was in the same town as you.

* Two of the wedding alters can have pockets. For my wedding, I had my bodice pocketed, and my husband had his cloak pocketed.

* If you have special material in the alters, or wedding rings, you will be asked to supply the material. For example, many of my items had yellow sunstones, so my maid of honor spent weeks gathering yellow sunstones. My husband's and my rings were made from platinum, and we were told we had to supply the platinum. One little odd note, when we submitted our list of alters, we were told we had to have all the special material (platinum, sunstones, etc.), but we were never asked for it. I would suggest that you have it ready, just in case.

* All of the alters are made from scratch, you don't have to supply anything (except the special stones, or whatever), but as I said, only two items can have pockets.

Just a couple of suggestions, submit your lists EARLY. I waited until the last minute, and changes were still being made hours before the wedding. Very hard on the nerves, I tell ya!

Try to be patient... I can't tell you how many of my husband's ideas were rejected. He wanted things that were very unique, and some things that were approved by the wedding coordinator were denied once they hit QC. It can get extremely frustrating. They seem to be very strict with wedding alters, food, etc, and the list is approved by several people. It's much more involved than dealing with one merchant alterer.

My best recommendation is try to have fun with the process. My husband and I never fought, but had two major blow-outs while planning our wedding (hee hee), how much more "real" can it get!

There's some really helpful information listed on the GS website and a couple of other places. Please let me know if I can help in anyway, or if you want to hear more of my personal "do's and don'ts"!

And yes, in my opinion, based on my experiences, it's worth the money!

Summer

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Origanally posted by edge:
My question is this. Will they allow me to have the rings made of veil iron if I supply the veil iron.

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Maybe? Heh. Expect to hear a lot of "other suggestions". If it wasn't veil iron, I'd say it's very likely, but the whole "chaotic metal" catch might get you.

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Originally posted by Summerlyn:
Just a couple of suggestions, submit your lists EARLY. I waited until the last minute, and changes were still being made hours before the wedding. Very hard on the nerves, I tell ya!

Try to be patient... I can't tell you how many of my husband's ideas were rejected.

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I wholeheartedly second this.

News to me that spidersilk is a dull fabric. ::grumbles::

Instead of ancient, try aged, worn, faded, archaiac, or, my personal favorite, antediluvian. Antiquated also sounds a lot better than antique, IMO. More if I think of 'em. I got the word "ancient" in my show description. ::shrugs::

Also, in my experience at least, if you ask for a shirt-type item, it'll be armor worn. I was a guest at a wedding only to see the groom die to a cocatrice on the way to his honeymoon. ::grin:: That, and if it's anything you plan on keeping post-wedding, you won't get as much milage out of it.

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Originally posted by edge:
Now is the containers made from scratch or can I supply them so I can have a pinworn vest? Since weight is a major factor to me.

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The people in charge of weddings don't alter, they only create new items. Also, as before, make sure the vest will be pin-worn, not armor-worn. (Tell 'em you want to be able to wear it over an armor-worn shirt. ::grins:: Can't hurt.)

And try not to slur your vows. ::nudges::

Never married, but I've been there.
Gnomad reg

Lady Brownyng's Site is a great reference for information about creating wedding alters.

From the GS Site :

Are there any restrictions on the items made for the ceremony?
We are flexible with the items, but they all must be "wedding-specific". No spectacles or toys or any other "verbed" item will be made. Please also refrain from asking for everyday wear, such as an empath’s cloak, a mage’s casting gloves, a Faendryl satchel, etc. For best results, please choose apparel that is appropriate for a memorable ceremony.

You may include two pieces of jewelry or two special ceremonial items.

The items made must be within our policy guidelines -- if a merchant won't make it, we won't. There's a full list of acceptable materials on The Wedding Site (http://members.aol.com/gmtehara). For general guidelines though:

· No weapons or armor will be made.

· No out of genre items, such as a tuxedo, top hat, spiked heels or lingerie.

· Metals or woods that are rare or ancient should not be requested.

· We will not make any items that are overtly real-world based, such as Celtic crosses, claddagh rings or pentagrams.

· No items that can be interpreted as an artifact (lost scroll of Niima, keys to hidden fortresses, symbol indicating one holds an unofficial title in the lands -- like High Priest of Lornon).

· Items that are not visible all the time should also not be requested. These include tongue studs, thighbands, or bellychains with navel rings, to name a few.

· Certain gems, flowers, or other items not found in the game and/or not in-genre might also be refused.
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GM Tehira's site seems to be down.

Once you have an idea of what items you'd like, post them here. I can see there are a lot of people, including myself, who would love to help you.

Aerienne reg

I like this one the best....

an archaiac veil iron eternity armband with runes of love and devotion etched along the edge

Don't know if they will allow armbands. Just don't like rings or bands.

Or

an archaiac veil iron eternity band with runes of love and devotion etched along the edge

But I am thinking 'an archaiac veil iron eternity band' is to big to have a show.

whats everyones thought on this?

Just wish ancient was allowed. Sounds more like a heirloom then.

edge reg

Summer reg

Perhaps this:

An ancestral vaalin eternity armband if you want a short. /an ancestral/vaalin eternity/armband/ is 15/15/15

if you convince your Wedding GM to do veil iron, /an ancestral/veil iron/armband/

an ancestral veil iron eternity armband with runes of love and devotion etched along the edge

Aerienne
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You could alter the new hauberk!

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We are going to submit those rings\armbands. See what they say.

Now I want to make the other items. But I want stuff that is not going to be put in the locker. Plus, these are items I will never sell.

edge reg

My suggestion if you don't take off your armor often is to buy an inexpensive shirt, and then have a vest or cloak made to match some trousers.

An elegant black silk vest with small veil iron runes along the edges, a billowing white silk shirt, and some soft black silk trousers with a small veil iron buckle. reg

I love some soft black silk trousers with a small veil iron belt buckle.

Also love the vest.

edge reg

You guys are killing me here! I wouldn't wish those alterations onto anyone, even people I don't like.

Silk trousers? Somehow I don't think you were imagining medieval knickers, but do you know what silk trousers look in RL? Ok, try imagining them on your character. Do you really want to walk around looking like you have Victoria Secret's long PJs on? What respectable guy runs around in silk trousers anyway?

Runes of love and devotion. What makes a rune like that different from a rune of death and slaughter? And secondly, do you really wanna go prancing around with symbols of love/happiness/snugglies on you? You don't really need to show your love for your mate through runes/symbols.

OK, first you find out what your soon to be wife is gonna be wearing. You wanna be color coordinated a bit, or at least not clash. Second, what is the image you want to project with your outfit? Do you wanna be elegant, dirty, comfortable, etc.? Those are just some of the things you should be figuring out.

Here's some examples of better ones:

some tailored trousers woven from soft wool of rich black
- some people don't like rich, replace with deep if you have a problem

an heirloom eternity armband wrought by interweaving twists of veil iron and (insert your wife's metal here)
- same result that you're bound together, no tacky love and huggies stuff. Which brings me back, I don't like archaic. I replaced it, but if you like it.. more power to you.

If you don't like or agree with any of them, there's no accounting for taste, huh?

Bianca reg

Anything suggesting some sort of knowlege about where an item comes from or it's age to me is ooc. Ancient is a load of bunk on anything.

Hiway reg

1. Apparently you've never seen good fabric. Weighting in silk is important when used for outerwear. Try going to Brooks Brothers or Nordstrom and see what I mean. Soft doesn't mean billowing and sheer.

2. Before you beat people over the head with your fashion taste, perhaps you should consider your words and their impact on others. You don't have to put others down to promote your ideas. Good ideas will stand on their own.

Aerienne
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I can reasonably date most pieces of jewelry within a few decades based on design. Fashion trends progresses in and out.

Metals become worn. Chasing, scrollwork, and filigree can become blackened over time. Take a tour through a museum like the Smithsonian some time. Check out their jewelry section, particularly the pieces that are several centuries or millenia old. Perhaps you will reassess your thinking then.

Aerienne reg

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Originally posted by Aerienne:
I think ancient, heirloom, ancestral, etc are perfectly valid adjectives when it comes to an item.

I can reasonably date most pieces of jewelry within a few decades based on design. Fashion trends progresses in and out.

Metals become worn. Chasing, scrollwork, and filigree can become blackened over time. Take a tour through a museum like the Smithsonian some time. Check out their jewelry section, particularly the pieces that are several centuries or millenia old. Perhaps you will reassess your thinking then.

Aerienne

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I agree with the second paragraph. But worn, blackening is something I can see. Ancient, anscestoral isn't.

You honestly can say from looking at someone from normal (personal space) distance at a person you can really tell if an item is an heirlom? I don't believe it. If they TELL you then sure.

They still are bad adjectives to me.

And you are assuming every single character has the same ability as you do in real life to "date period jewelry". Give me a break.

Hiway

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Show anyone a 1950's style car and a 2002 car and I am sure people would beable to determine the differance.

Things can look old. Hell I have a piece of paper that looks brand spanking new but it has a date of 1962 on it. I also have a piece of paper that is all crinkled and yellow, but it has a date on it of 1995.

I don't think age really has to do with how an item looks, I think people can make an item look however they want really.

Thats why people use special coats of paint or stain to make newer furniture look older.

To some people the older things look, the better they like them.

Besides Hiway, Gemstone and the people that play it are not perfect, and if thats the kind of game you want go play on your Dark Age of Camelot servers.

I still fail to see why people who are so upset with the game, GM's, policy's, and these things result in them leaving the game, come back and insult or put down the people who do have some, all be it sometimes little, fun in the game.

I think people should decide to quit and move on instead of constantly berating everyone who plays, or runs this game.

Buckwheet
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You see plaid.

A Scotsman sees the plaid of a clan. Can see whether it is dress plaid, or not. Can see affiliate to other clans. All based upon the colors, size of the stripes, and difference in banding. Because this is part of his culture.

But you see plaid.

In the days of yore, you could tell a lot from what was on a man's shield. Different symbols of heraldry can give you royalty, nobility, birth rank.

But you see a pretty picture on a shield, because this is not your culture.

Most of you see that "Asians all look alike."
But someone who is Japanese can tell you that the other people in the room are Chinese, Vietnamese, or Korean, because noticing the difference is a part of their culture.

I think within reason, you would be able to tell something that is fairly new, from fairly old. We have to have some give and take with a world that is text based. I cannot look at a piece of jewelry at a glance/from a distance and say, that is silver, platinum, steel, chrome, plated, an alloy or what have you when it is all highly polished and is silver in color.

Because based on what you are saying, everyone might as well be wearing outfits along the lines of:

A cloak, a shirt, some pants, and some shoes.

After all, some people are colorblind and have no sense of fashion to know what the different articles of clothing.

I'd prefer to give the benefit of the doubt.

Aerienne reg

Those previous ideas with the runes of snuggles and happiness (or whatever the hell else) sucked. Sorry, there was no way for me to break it down easier to anyone. I meant it in a joke through exaggeration anyway, it wasn't there to hurt anyone's feelings.

Bianca, can't believe she's walking on eggshells in the unofficial boards

P.S. I agree with Hiway. Those are bad adjectives with the now current alteration rules but if he HAD to use an adjective to determine age, I still like heirloom better. reg

I don't expect you to walk on eggshells, and I don't expect you to like every idea that gets posted. But I also don't like being told my ideas are fashion disasters and that you wouldn't wish them on your worst enemy either! If we were chatting, I could hear in tone if you were joking...But in a text forum, it isn't apparent.

One of the best things about taste is that everyone is different and I can walk around town and not see everyone dressed exactly the same Life would be so boring if there was nothing to giggle and groan at... ::whistles::

My guy has some extremely nice heavy silk shirts...I love hugging him when he is wearing them because of the softness of the fabric and the way silk feels. Not to mention he looks damned good in em.

You think VS PJs, I think Brooks Brothers. (I'm lacking the name of any medieval tailors here...)

Aerienne reg

Bianca...you seem to not like a person in this world at all. At least give credit to some people.

And please please please...of all places for flaming...the ALTERATIONS folder?!?!?!? I mean come on. reg

I am not berating someone only analyzing the idea.

It is my opinion that in Gemstone (and yes I still play - no comment as to who) there are varied cultures and even races from a very large area of real estate.

Just in general and I agree with you that again a judgement call be made and it applied evenly and consistently.

My pet peeves are those. Either stay with SAID policy on alterations or don't. Grandfathered items just add fuel to the fire and people will always point fingers at them.

I own plenty of the garbage alterations. I think people should have an avenue to express their characters with items either fluffy or not.

I don't know, but when I see really long and "dark,ancient,veil iron" I see someone who is crying for attention. I don't see expression in character identity.

Hiway reg

Omnirus, I like plenty of people. I just don't know who the hell you are or else I'd like you too, if that makes you feel warm and cuddly inside!

Bianca, smoochies and kisses! reg

The typical peasant cloth for medieval times was muslin, cotton (for the wealthier peasants), and wool (often raw and very itchy).

The typical nobility fabrics were cotton, boiled wool, and silk. This applies to men and women, in all manner of articles of clothing, including pantaloons, breeches, and trousers.

Whether you assign your own image to something as innocuous as silk, Bianca, is irrelevant. As far as silk-lined goes, that's just plain ridiculous. How will anyone looking at a person know what their trousers are lined with? Unless of course the person is waving the trousers around inside out and not wearing them, of course.

The topic of this thread is Wedding Attire. Let's try to stick with that. Silk is a perfectly reasonable and expected fabric for wedding attire, except for the very poorest of peasants and slaves during medieval times.

R
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What anyone other then the bride would have their hand down the grooms pants is beyond me...

Buckwheet reg

Food for thought on runes...

Runes/characters/symbols (basing this on Scandanavian/Native American/Asian cultures) started as pictographic in nature. Most of them have a basic meaning (one for everyone) and a covert meaning (one for the educated/religious/political). Most people in a particular area would be familiar with the basic meaning. The educated would be taught the secondary meanings.

ie. Water may look something like ^^^^^^^^^
It may mean water, river, lake, ocean. Even if you aren't educated, you can probably look at this pictographic/rune and figure out its basic meaning.

It may also mean emotion, particularly a deep emotion such as anger.

I can think of a pretty obvious "rune of love" which I think every seeing person in the majority of cultures of the world would recognize and equate with love...It's call a heart.

Aerienne reg

Aerienne reg

Always fun.

Starts work on making his next batch of 20...

This is a cute topic.

If I can lend an opinion feel free to ask here or drop me a note. Or ask Andraste, she-that-runs-weddings.

Khaladon reg

So what else do I really need? Boots? Someone mentioned getting gloves. But I don't know about that. I just want to be practical.

How about a belt? I just am not feeling creative right now. Think more on it after the holidays.

Also, Khaladon. Will they let me use veil iron in the alterations if I supply it?

edge reg

Yep. If you got a rare substance, we can use it.

Khal reg

some polished black leather boots with small veil iron buckles

some formal black leather boots (with a show)

some elegant black leather boots (show)

some veil iron buckled leather boots (show)

a pair of supple black leather boots polished to a glossy shine

:chuckles:: I can go on and on...Give me a hint of what you are looking for, and we can build on that.

What we should look at is how this is all going to be put together. You should have a mix of shorts and longs, so that everything looks good together and we don't get caught up with the same phrases over and over or bogged down with too much stuff.

(I'm revamping my own wardrobe, because I now have too many jewelled items, which is getting monotonous to me.)

Aerienne reg