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The question now becomes - so what?

These same Plat players that are getting all bent out of shape about things
selling for cash are the same persons paying $70 MORE to Simutronics per
month to gain advantages in getting special equipment/items, etc.

If these persons wanted to take a moral high ground - the first thing they
should do is cancel their Plat Account, and go to a regular basic account for
$9.95/month with ONE (1) character and NEVER pay for special
events/merchants, etc..

Then they could argue - "Hey, I'm doing things 100% legitimately, and not
paying ANYONE for special perks".

Please spare me the "Well, I pay to play Plat so I can roleplay" crap. Leave
that type of stuff checked at the door. You pay to be in Plat for one
reason:

Special Perks - these perks include a smaller community so you can form
your own little cliques, special equipment, more alterers, RPAs, etc.

As it is, I consider them to be total hypocrites to pay $70 more than they
should to Simutronics, and then complain that someone else pays $70 for 3
million silvers.

You are both paying - who ends up with the money is wholly irrevelant.

Where is the difference between paying one entity more money for special
events to get a special item - or paying someone else to get a specific item?

Only difference that I can tell is that the person that pays someone else
directly KNOWS what they are getting. Paying Simu to attend a special
merchant is nothing more than going to Las Vegas and hoping you come out a
winner. At least the person that is paying someone else directly knows they
will get what item specifically that they want.

Seems to me, if the Plat persons have a such a beef with outside cash sales,
its because they are jealous that either:
A. they didn't think of it first.
B. didn't get what they wanted at the special event that they paid Simu for
for last time.
C. one of their select clique of friends didn't think of doing these types
of transactions first - therefore its better to be a hypocrite and criticize
others for doing them.

Until you are on a $9.95/month account with ONE (1) character, and NEVER pay
for special events - you simply have no room to talk.

edge

[This message has been edited by edge (edited 04-07-2001).] reg

Tell them what you think....

Edge reg

I agree. If people didn't reward or better yet condition Simutronic's by paying them for such things then I think the game would be better.

Can you imagine if Microsoft or Sony did the same thing for Asheron's Call or Everquest? I think they would be laughed off the game scene.

Did you read that article in the magazine that Simutronics sends us? Computer Games should of been less kind. There isn't a horde of GM's catering to player's needs. There are hordes of GM's who are people in real life are voyeurs (sp?). They get their kicks reading back and forth notes they give each other and who they can eavesdrop on and belittle and harass.

And to think people pay for that! The game is a AOL chat room nowadays. It doesn't have any depth nor any sense of magic.

If everyone just payed for prime and nothing more then resources would be divided evenly. It's pure greed and hogwash that the price they pay is needed in any way shape or form. If Whatley got off his fat arse and would of been more proactive then he would be a game with some respect. As it stands he gets a whopping paragraph and the real people know the game is history.

reg

Plat:

Box founds are very common. Not the jewelry crap either.

Never infuse for a enchant. Pools are always there.

RPA's are givin away like candy.

FLare merchant only charges 1.5m to add flares to a 10x item.

Padder's come.

Enchanter's come.

Critters are super wealthy. Not hard to make silvers if you try in Plat.

Prime:

It took me 4 years before I found my first true boxfound. Some people still havn't found one.

Takes hours of infusing to get a decent enchant with a slew of characters.

RPA's are very hard to get. About the only place is weddings.

Flare merchat charge 10m to add flares to a 10x weapon.

Padder charges 15m to add padding to a 8x item without padding. 25m to a already padded 8x item. We only seen one padder in years. I bet you got that beat in Plat.

Enchanter same deal as the Padder. Only one in years.

Rich critters are next to impossible to find. Plus you have to buy silvers for cash to attain any wealth. Then, nothing really nice is sold for silvers.

But yet you still complain in Plat that isn't enough.

edge

[This message has been edited by edge (edited 04-07-2001).] reg

I'm seriously considering bringing the true faith to Plat and turn it on its frigging collective ear. Edge, you are right on target. And Im with ya.

~Q

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That which does not kill you...Give it time. We all die in the end. reg

Don't get me wrong I think plat. is a bunch of hogwash, its sorta like the lottery, a tax on morons. But I'd be careful instructing people what they need to do so that their' opinions aren't slanted when you are in exactly the same posistion.

Chivalrous, Player of reg

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One group especially had me laughing at the banter, two groups did really fine roleplay, and I think fifteen of the twenty people got a roleplaying experience as well as a merchant service. The other five basically got what they were demonstrating was the only thing they were interested in, the servicing of items.

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Poor babies! reg

~felrick, sootic, adam.

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what spot? reg

<shakes his head>

Rusval reguba,
~Eater of halfling haters reg

One of the Plat players complained about me using Reagan in Plat to bless and open the graveyard gate. But yet, Donomyn himself says he MA's. But he is a welcome member of the plat players. Plus, they are against sales. But, Donomyn to his own admission sold tons of EQ stuff. Also other Plat players sold their Prime stuff. Now if you are part of the plat players you can do this. But if not, they will cry to Simu Melissa about it.

I remember one night. Lockae and Felrick got into a fight. Next day Lockae woke up to being rerolled. But what can you expect from the plat players.

Now don't get me wrong. Not everyone is part of the those plat players. But for the most part. They are.

Now try and make a intelligent response to my post. Seems you can't read very well Felrick. On top of that. You are trying to stand on higher moral ground. But yet you was at Quavvy's bar last year at Simucon. Which had a big sign saying. Sponsored by Gemmerch. What part of hippocrite are you not? Guess I will not be seeing any of the PPP at Quavvy's this year. Since you don't associate with people like us.

Look in the mirror and you would realize. You are not a very bright person. Hell, I can give many reasons why Plat would be worth 80 bucks a month.

::muters something about hippocrites::

edge

[This message has been edited by LordKranar (edited 04-19-2001).] reg

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Originally posted by edge:
I went to the Plat boards and posted. But Donomyn pulls them. I started a thread why is Plat worth 80 bucks a month? He pulled that. Seems none of them can answer it. My original post about hippocrites is pretty accurate it seems. Seems they can't come up with a answer to my original post. Guess there is no real intelligence in Plat.

One of the Plat players complained about me using Reagan in Plat to bless and open the graveyard gate. But yet, Donomyn himself says he MA's. But he is a welcome member of the plat players. Plus, they are against sales. But, Donomyn to his own admission sold tons of EQ stuff. Also other Plat players sold their Prime stuff. Now if you are part of the plat players you can do this. But if not, they will cry to Simu Melissa about it.

I remember one night. Lockae and Felrick got into a fight. Next day Lockae woke up to being rerolled. But what can you expect from the plat players.

Now don't get me wrong. Not everyone is part of those plat players. But for the most part. They are.

Now try and make a intelligent response to my post. Seems you can't read very well Felrick. On top of that. You are trying to stand on higher moral ground. But yet you was at Quavvy's bar last year at Simucon. Which had a big sign saying. Sponsored by Gemmerch. What part of hippocrite are you not? Guess I will not be seeing any of the PPP at Quavvy's this year. Since you don't associate with people like us.

Look in the mirror and you would realize. You are not a very bright person. Hell, I can give many reasons why Plat would be worth 80 bucks a month.

::muters something about hippocrites::

edge

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Reasons why Plat is worth the money...

Please note that comments on Prime are not meant to lump the few with the whole. There are merely my observations on my own experience with Prime as a whole.

1) Risk = Excitement. In Prime, being spelled up to the gills is the norm, in Plat having a few extra spells is the rare treat. Hunting is exciting again. Throw in the chance of lost items and decay and it becomes downright dangerous again. This is how it should be.

2) Sense of community. In Prime, there's a certain amount of emotional disconnect, for good or bad. Players could care less who heals them, who raises them, who spells them, etc. etc. etc. In Plat, it does matter.

3) GM attention. I realize this might be a sticking point with some people, but it's there whether you disagree with it or not. Because of the environment, we're able to have long term storylines (the current one has had several mini plots and is expect to last most of a year), alterers, merchants, and just plain old fun.

4) Roleplay. Again, people will disagree, but from my observations, players are not just players here, they're ROLEplayers. With the added contributions of the community as a whole, there is a general feeling of being in a WORLD, rather than a GAME.

There's a few reasons among many, Edge. They haven't been given in a confrontational, agressive manner. If you choose to attack me in turn for answering your general question, than you are either unwilling to listen, or you have some sort of personal vendetta against Plat in general. Either way, I can't really help you understand. In future discussions, it would be helpful if you separated legitimate questions, suggestions, criticism from whatever issues you may have with individuals, as they are not representative of Plat, as you imply by inclusion.

That said, Plat is not perfect, and I don't mean to portray it as such. There are exceptions to every rule. Just as there are good things about Prime, there are bad things about Plat. I was merely providing my own reasons why I'm willing to pay $80 a month for it, as requested, and I'm certainly willing to discuss this further if any of you choose to.

Jim

[This message has been edited by LordKranar (edited 04-19-2001).] reg

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Originally posted by GSPlatPlayer:
Reasons why Plat is worth the money...

1) Risk = Excitement. In Prime, being spelled up to the gills is the norm, in Plat having a few extra spells is the rare treat. Hunting is exciting again. Throw in the chance of lost items and decay and it becomes downright dangerous again. This is how it should be.

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Hmm. Who is in control of what your character does and doesn't do? Gee well it's the player typing on that funny thing called a keyboard. My point is you are the one who determines what sort of challenge you want or don't want in Prime or Platinum. I would say the well disciplined person in prime is the smarter man (in terms of saving money) and also has plenty of risk. Remember it's a game not a exercise in frustration. There are still times there are unexpected log off's (due to real life instances). Again it's a game.

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Originally posted by GSPlatPlayer:

2) Sense of community. In Prime, there's a certain amount of emotional disconnect, for good or bad. Players could care less who heals them, who raises them, who spells them, etc. etc. etc. In Plat, it does matter.

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Again it might be more difficult and I agree that is one reason I left, but it was one of the minor reasons. I would interject that GM's (generally and in my experience, there are some exceptions) could care less about you as an individual and do little to identify with you if you are encountering a problem with another player. They are aloof and uncaring many times. Quick to temper also seems to be common. I can't comment on Plat since I haven't played it. I do know though they are the same staff.

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Originally posted by GSPlatPlayer:

3) GM attention. I realize this might be a sticking point with some people, but it's there whether you disagree with it or not. Because of the environment, we're able to have long term storylines (the current one has had several mini plots and is expect to last most of a year), alterers, merchants, and just plain old fun.

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I was not impressed with the consistency nor the frequency of GM involvement and got to the point where I avoided any NPC or GM run event. I also know the people who went to Plat from their past in prime and find their roleplay styles around GM events to be quite distracting and disturbing to me. I would like to emphasize only most of those people not all exhibit a kiss up attitude that just turns my stomach. The sad thing is GM's quite often respond to this in a manner I just can't agree with either. On a fundamental level rooted in design I find flaws in the approach to storylines and roleplay by many GM's. This doesn't change because of different servers since it's the same company. Short examples are routinely using some aged character as a merchant always. Storylines that are vague and not tied to history or do not further the history of the lands given current documentation.

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Originally posted by GSPlatPlayer:

4) Roleplay. Again, people will disagree, but from my observations, players are not just players here, they're ROLEplayers. With the added contributions of the community as a whole, there is a general feeling of being in a WORLD, rather than a GAME.

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Again I can't comment because I haven't been in Plat, but I do know how the very same people acted in prime well before there were large numbers online years past. Poor history and support of roleplay development by staff and people leaning towards a rose-colored hug everyone world ruin the balance and the feel of the world in my eyes.

All in all I just can't seem to muster an effort to stay in Prime let alone pay a extra $70 to just see the same fundamental problems I see with Gemstone design and staff at a magnified level. I think I would be even more frustrated and more importantly not having fun in a game. reg

Aside from popular belief, we arent the alter-hungry, whining brats you make us out to be. When an alterer is around, a lot of people dont even go to it, and if they do a lot of people give up their spots to others.

I guess I think the thing I like most about Plat is that we care what happens in our community and to each other. If something is happening within our community that we dont agree with, we have small enough numbers to work together to change it. This is something yuou just cant get in Prime.

Lastly I guess I dont understand why so many people feel the need to b*tch about us. As far as I can tell, we mostly keep to ourselves, and we dont complain on Prime boards unless someone from Prime feels the need to address us. Try this.. instead of complaining about us, come try Plat. We welcome new players with open arms, and are always happy to have new people to roleplay with. If you try Plat, and decide that we ARE the whining brats youve made us out to be, then so be it.

Jemstra-Prime/Jasia-Plat reg

Why is GM Kiffin complaining about Plat players never being happy?

Why does Kiffin say, "why do I even bother anymore?"

You complain about everything over there. That is what I seen my short stay. Plus, you never meet anyone new. It's rare. I call that a clique. Just like Donomyn said on his boards. Outsiders are not welcome.

Also, I got harrassed for using my friends account to get blesses from. But yet people like Donomyn brag about MAing. I am the biggest MAer is what he says. But this is right? **Only in the clique** That is what ROLEplaying is about to you? You don't decay anymore. You MA and get your stuff back.

I like meeting new people. Plat got boring to me very fast. I felt like I walked up the HS steps.

edge

disclaimer: Not all Plat players are part of the PPP, some are there to truely RP.
reg

Lets see. To answer your questions..

As for Kiffin, in my opinion he tends to be a bit.. dramatic at times. He tends to post things without thinking them through all the way, but over all he is a good GM and is doing good things in Plat.

As for MAing, some people MA in Plat, just like they MA in Prime. That is SOME people. I know many, many people who dont MA in Plat, and IM one of them. If I die I just hope that someone saw it and is coming for me. How many people in Prime can say that the whole town goes looking for them when they die? Its a nice feeling to know that people actually care enough to come drag your dead body, plus your weapon and shield.

As for the whole "clique" thing, I cant say that I dont know what youre talking about. My main character has no problem fitting in since Ive had her from the start, but new characters are a little difficult... as it is in most any game. If any Plat players were "cliquey" or stand-offish its most likely because when new people join Plat, the players like to stand back and see what the new player is about and where they will create their niche in our community.

It a little like this... since we have such a small player base, every interaction between characters is remembered and builds on the relationship between those two. Its not like Prime, where a new player can just walk through town, say "hi" and head off again. Since every interaction builds on the roleplaying, you have to be ready and in character every moment you are in game. So, if someone didnt seem quite friendly to you when you played, Edge, it could very well be because they were waiting to figure you out and see what kind of character you roleplayed.

I hope this helps clear some things up, if not, Im really sorry you didnt enjoy your time in Plat. I hope you understand that most, if not all of us are not greedy, sniveling, whiney, nazi-like ..uh.. PPP. (I think thats the term you used)

Jemstra-Prime/Jasia-Plat reg

I just don't get it.

As for Donomyn and his thread pulling. Plus saying outsiders are not welcome. You might want to think what he is trying to do. He is like a ring leader. Trying to get people to gang up on Chris and let him decay and harrass him. I would think that is against policy.

But, I think everyone kisses his arse because he is the only enchanter.

What's up with that Donomyn? Still to scared?

edge

The truth hurts more then anything. reg

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Originally posted by edge:
[B]Ok, since you answered a few questions. Answer these.

Why is GM Kiffin complaining about Plat players never being happy?

Why does Kiffin say, "why do I even bother anymore?"

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This is a bigger deal than it really is. We've all heard many a GM say similar things. Kiffin gets singled out because he's the plat guru and easily the most vocal GM on our boards, so our posts are almost always directed to him.

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You complain about everything over there. That is what I seen my short stay.

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Do you read the Prime boards over there? I would say the ratio of complaints to otherwise is roughly equivalent. Plat players do expext more, and frankly, for $80 a month, they should get more. Some complaints are valid, some aren't, but the same goes elsewhere.

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Also, I got harrassed for using my friends account to get blesses from. But yet people like Donomyn brag about MAing. I am the biggest MAer is what he says. But this is right? **Only in the clique** That is what ROLEplaying is about to you? You don't decay anymore. You MA and get your stuff back.

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You got harrassed, and rightly so. Using another character/account to gain and advantage you wouldn't normally have is wrong. Donomyn and others do get harrassed. If you choose to ignore that fact and/or failed to notice, that is your own problem. That said, I'd say we do let some of the things he and others do slide more, simply because we know them, and they've been a general plus to the community.

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I like meeting new people. Plat got boring to me very fast. I felt like I walked up the HS steps.

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Yep, definitely a downside in Plat. Small population and low rate of increase are both downfalls. As for trying to fit in, it can take time, as it should. Any new person is a stranger, and not to be trusted right away, unless in character. However, there are always more than enough people willing to help out the new adventurer if he/she is friendly and makes the first step towards building any sort of relationship.

Jim

P.S. On a sidenote, as much as you claim that Donomyn is acting as some sort of ringleader, I see you acting in the same manner here on these boards. Take your own advice Edge.

[This message has been edited by GSPlatPlayer (edited 04-20-2001).] reg

I have had my new account, with Plat service for 2 days now. Yesterday I played for about 15 hours. I tried speaking with several people around town. Not one person spoke to me, or interacted with me when I was making the attempt. So I decided to park my butt somewhere and just wait for someone to come by.

Three people did come by. One made fun of my character for taking a nap where they shouldn't then walked off. Another walked in, rolled their eyes and left, the third walked in glaced at me and checked them selves in to train.

I tell you what. In 2 hours of playing prime I get more helpful people to work with me then I did in the 15 hours of Plat.

My opinion? Plat is a place to waste money and go at GS solo.

Buckwheet reg

So, by your own admission. You look past certain things because they are part of your **clique**. So, how can you stand on this higher moral ground? Is that not a hyprocrite?

Now your character is condemned for life Buckwheat. I tell you what. Outsiders are not welcome. Plain and simple fact Donomyn posted on his boards.

As for me being a ring leader? I am not saying that you should gang up on a person ingame and try and make him decay. I am not saying that you should pick on someone so it will ruin his gaming enjoyment. But that is what is being said on Donomyn's Plat boards. Donomyn is the one starting it. Let me ask you. Is that right? Is this not a game?

Once again. You are allowed to MA, share accounts as long as you are part of the **clique**.

Am I wrong here? Come people. Want to hear everyones opinions. If I am wrong I will admit it. Have admitted it in several post when I am proven wrong. But from Buckwheats experience it just really enforces my opinion.

edge

reg

As for the "clique" theory, like I said before.. yes it happens. It happens in all games. A "clique" in Plat isnt the way you describe it though. Its mearly a group of people who roleplay their characters in a certain way with each other. Anyone can be part of the Plat "clique", it just takes roleplaying. As far as people in the "clique" getting away with things, as another Plat player posted.. yes.. it happens. I know that Ive said things to other Plat players about things that they are doing that bother me, but sometimes when it is a friend its hard to stand up and telling them what they are doing is wrong. The isnt a "Plat" thing. I think most people let their friends get away with a lot more then they would put up with from strangers. Its just the way it is, its the way MOST people are.

Anyway, I hope you enjoy the rest of your stay in Plat, however long it may be.

Ang/Jemstra/Jasia reg

Yes it did happen. After 5-6 hours of "trying" to talk to someone, I went out and talked to Thrak and hunted in rats for about 2 hours. So after 8 hours I said enough is enough. I went to TSC and waited there for a while.

People came in bashed boxes, talked to people they new etc. I was ignored.

Then I moved to Thrak inn and sat down infront of the desk waiting to train to level 2.

After I trained I wandered town delivering messages saying hello and other various greetings. Nobody had the time of day. Then all of a sudden I get people saying I shouldn't rest here. I believe the terminology was. "Heh." "What a stupid place to lie down." Before I could even respond they walked away.

I can get plenty of harrassing in Prime. No reason to take that kind of abuse in Plat for 80$.

I believe I have some days left on my trial. I "might" try it again. But I seriously doubt it.

Oh and another thing. I sat in the manor in the landing waiting for a mentor for 30-45 minutes. I understand that you may not have that many people to have mentors, but as a new person entering the lands I would have hopped for some form of welcome.

Maybe my understanding of what Plat is might be wrong. But I didn't think Plat was made only for people who are experiences ICE agers.

I only new NOT to die because I would loose my stuff, because I played in ICE.

But anyway, it aint all its cracked up to be. Maybe when I get ONE of my characters past ledged, I would consider forging a new path.

But I can't see spending 80$ a month for the next 8 years to have a level 40ish character and beable to get along in that situation.

I appreciate your optimisim, but all in all my experience left me with a bad taste in my mouth, and for the first time in my 8.5 year GS career I felt as if I had intruded upon someone elses terf.

Buckwheet reg

::rub chin::

Lord Deprav
One who gets reminded of the Simpsons episode when Mr. Burns instead of sending $1 to happy dude says "I would just be happier keeping this dollar". reg

Vehnom whispers, "Say, aren't you the Platinum-basher?"

Vehnom whispers, "should see what you're missing out on before flaming like a five year old on Donomyn's boards. If ye never went there you'd never know how much we RP, ignorance is bliss.. idiot"

Well, Vehnom. I played Plat. Twice. So, who is the idiot now?

Thought everyone would like to see this.

edge reg

I'm not really sure why you loathe the Plat scene so much...

I've read your points from top to bottom and it seems like your biggest beef is that the Plat players complain about selling items for cash when they, in fact, are paying cash for what you *perceive* as special items...

To that I say:

It is all relative to your objectives and sense of enjoyment.

I pay to get far, far, far away from the rattling in my head from the amulet, and walking in on a freaky scene of five characters each spelling one person up at the top of the Inn, and listening to whaaaazzzuppppp!, and hearing 'heal me''heal me''heal me''heal me'....

I don't have an unusual amount of alterations on my Plat character (old or new one), I have more alters with my Prime, I also have TENS more RPAs on my prime character than my Plat, I have been involved in more storylines in Prime than Plat, I honestly *enjoy* Prime more when I want to be social and roleplay.

Plat is my escape from Prime. For that, I would pay a hundred dollars.

reg