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This is the post I am responding to:

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Simutronics has NEVER been sued. Not by this Luttiano character or anyone else. If you want to argue that they have, prove it. Legal information like that is pretty damn easy to find, so it shouldn't be hard.

Lawyers may have gotten involved on a less official level, I don't know. I do know that NO lawsuit has ever been taken against Simutronics.

And Edgeleaf, can I have the name of that lawyer that you use all the time for GemStone matters? Please? I really would like to give him/her a call.

Ry
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Ry sorry for the informal greeting. You indeed are right court records are available, Simutronics HAS been sued *BUT* has always settled out of court. (That means there is not a written record of suit)

Now that I have pushed that tad bit of information out let me continue with a bit about myself, I am a Tort lawyer hence thats why I was handling e-bay fraud cases. I met Edge a few years back and we have been close friends sense. He often sends me clientele. I have handled about 10 cases with simutronics and I have gotten my clients what they ask for 7 of the 10 times (7/10 that is not bad) most of the time I don't even haft to obtain a court order due to Simutronics likes to keep a quite profile and a good record. Forth the questions of what Scint is demanding I can not release that information.

That is all I have time for I look forward to feedback.

GS Lawyer reg

Sorry to ruin your mud slinging.

GS Lawyer reg

It isn't even the spelling ("haft to"? Err no, it's "have to" Mister Attorney.). It's the amazingly sloppy sentence structure which can cause confusion to the readers, thus muddying your own defense.

To whit:

"Forth the questions of what Scint is demanding I can not release that information."

Are you trying to "put the questions FORTH" in the viewers' minds? Or are you suggesting that this is the FOURTH issue you wish to discuss?

I'm not scrutinizing just for the sake of scrutiny. It's to point out that lawyers (real ones, not the "I watched one on TV one day!" types) are trained to write better, because a single slip of a word can cost them their case.

Finally, the fact that you neglected to post your name, and that your profile lacks name, website, company name, e-mail address, and/or website URL, leads me to believe that your desire for "feedback" is merely a show to get people riled up on the boards and publically slam Simutronics.

A real lawyer wouldn't want to do that when attempting to gather documentation of any case. Encouraging defamation of a corporate entity is a "bad thing" in the legal world.

In summary, I don't believe that this "tort" person is a lawyer.

My senior year in college was devoted to court reporting and law, and during my tenure with a temp agency I've logged countless hours at legal firms. The very least competent lawyers I've worked for presented themselves better than this "tort" person in writing.

Roberta
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What lawyer with a successful record of winning settlements from Simutronics would post on a message board concerning Simutronics, reaching an audience of potential clientele, and offer no means of contacting him so that he may take our cases?

Well, no lawyer would. Exactly. reg

It's 2305921

If you don't have ICQ, e-mail me. It's teintnatural@yahoo.com

And for anyone who has issues with me and thinks this is just the chance to send me a virus.. hehehe won't work. Gotta love Black Ice and MDaemon.

Roberta
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I would not advertise what firewall you are running, especially if it is Black Ice. Slashdot recently linked a story detailing how Black Ice was entirely incapable of preventing your machine from participating in a DDoS attack (initiated by irc bots and back orifice type infections).

I will contact you when I have a few minutes to spare. Thanks. reg

Sneaky huh! But the secret's out - okay everyone come on and hack me to pieces! Get those three fake credit card numbers I've plugged into my cache code! Steal the false SS numbers I give to each thing that asks for it!

Honestly though - I don't have anything on my computer that anyone would want to steal. As for viruses, I don't accept attachments or forwards from anyone, for any reason, ever. Not even from my dad! And I don't use any Microsloth mail programs, so any of the "usual" viruses won't get to me anyway since they're targetted specifically to MS Outlook and similar.

Good advice though. I'll keep it in mind in case I need a new firewall.

Thanks,
Me.
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1."Neener neener, you can't get me" is not the best thing to say. That is basicly an open invitation to get hacked. Some see that as a direct challenge.

2. Listing that you have a firewall, even if you don't say the name,listing that you never open attachments, etc. etc. Is not a good idea. Though you might see that as a preventative measure, it actually just gives a would be hacker some useful information. He now doesn't have to waste his time with the simpler methods and go directly to something that might work.

3. The "I don't have anything worth stealing" defense. Personal profit gain is not the only motive for hacking, just as in any other crime. Throwing bricks through a window, egging houses, what is the financial gain in that? Though not worth something to a hacker, you have plenty of things on your computer worth something to you. You'd be surprised how much havoc someone can cause you just with your telephone number and your pets name. Got sparkies picture on your hard drive? Your husbands? His work number? Got your email password saved? Forget to click sign out last time? Gemstone/inferno passwords?

I doubt you would like to be called every day at 3AM for the next two weeks, have your inferno account hacked, and have trojans sent to all your email buddies, you'd probably rather have the brick through the window...

Chances of that happening? Slim. Most with the skill wouldnt risk jailtime over someone that annoys them on a message board, but then again, your less likely for an fbi investigation opening and closing some joe smiths cd rom bay then hacking into paypals credit card database...

'lood
off topic, but worth posting.
pluss, this topic was a joke to begin with. reg

But since I was called on my post I shall post one that hits a little closer to our adult intellectual capacity. The first step in becoming a lawyer is quite simple, most lawyers get their degree in English. I obtained mine in Political Science. I scored a 32 on the Senior LSAT exam; I am on the bar in OK, KY and TN.

Okay, I am going to give you a quick enlightenment about Simutronics. Simutronics is a Limited Liability Company (LLC).

Limited liability companies are formed and established much like a corporation. The founders must prepare and file the proper documents with the state, according to the state's limited liability company law. These laws normally provide that the LLC may have powers like a corporation. However some states restrict LLCs from certain activities, such as banking, insurance and professional services. LLC's have members, similar to a corporation's shareholders. These members must have a written agreement, much like a partnership agreement.

Due to Simutronics being an LLC they can write their own Terms of Agreement/Policy. There are good things and bad things about being an LLC. One of the good things is being able to write your own legally binding policies. One of the bad things is that by writing your own policies you usually leave a lot of gray area (area that can be interpreted differently) i.e. Simutronics will attempt to investigate the problem and may, at its sole discretion, authorize adjustments to your score or inventory.

Sole discretion meaning they hold all the stops.

Only an LLC can say that and not be taken under by the BBB.

I only go after Simutronics when I do indeed think they have wronged one of my clients.

As for stating "Forth," I wished to address a question that was posted previously. My word use may have been in error. As for that and sentence structure, that is what paralegals are for.

That is all for my quick post, if there are any further questions about me or my integrity please ask and I will clarify them as best I can.

GS Lawyer

The reason I refrain from posting my name and other personal information is strictly because I only help friends.

If you think I am not a lawyer, why would I lie about being one? (I would much rather be a doctor.) reg

Any hacker that knows his elbow from his backside knows that you have described a "cracker" and not a "hacker". He also knows that a *nix box is no more secure than anything else of not properly administered.

And by definition, a script kiddie doesn't know a line of C or C++. Don't thank me, that one was free.

[This message has been edited by LordKranar (edited 07-19-2001).] reg

In anycase, if you wish to discuss hacking, do so in the off-topic folder. I personally think hacking is a major waste of time and would rather put my programing skills to work on something more creative, but I do find the occasional info on hacking other programs and computers interesting.

- Lord Kranar, human Archwizard

[This message has been edited by LordKranar (edited 08-01-2001).] reg

One day I get a IM asking if I got scammed by a <not going to disclose due to the fact he was sold>. He then asked me all the info I had on the person and so on. Well, he petitioned Simutronics for the info on this person for me. The outcome was very good I must say. So, we became friends.

I don't give his IM or info out to every Tom Dick and Harry. Why you say? Figure it out. Got a legit problem. I will send you to him. But he is a lawyer and can't talk about other clients cases. You are suppose to be so smart. Can't figure that out?

Now that this thread has started. Ask some legal questions. He can answer them when he does have time. Be respectful now. He knows what he is talking about.

You all badgered me into asking him to make a post. Use this for something positive and quit being jerks to everyone that tries to help others in the lands. He doesn't deserve this type of treatment.

If you got a legal problem. IM me at LordEdgeleaf or email me at edge@kcnet.com. If it is a real concern I will tell you how to contact him.

edge

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~*~ Laura ~*~ reg

Oh and by the way, LLC's were not considered acceptable corporate entities in the United States until 1988, when the IRS granted them partnership tax classification, as long as the members were exempted from personal liability for the company debts. Simutronics was founded in 1987, a year prior to this.

GG reg

Tort law, you are correct in some ways it is considered personal injury BUT it is also considered intelectual injury as well. I am actually going to go into deceptive trade practices. I started out to be a 'car wreck' attorney.

Oh an sense you do know about LLC's I am guessing you know about S corporations which is what Simutronics was before it filed LLC.

Anyways that is all I have time to say.

GS Lawyer reg

edge, who really has no clue that a S corporation is. reg

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Originally posted by edge:
So explain to me what is S corporation is Ghost Girl. Since you know so much.

edge, who really has no clue that a S corporation is.

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Put simply, the decision to file as an S Corporation or an LLC is really based on how your corporation wants to be classified for tax purposes. I already explained a bit about LLCs, so in brief, an S Corporation, which is called that because they filed under Subchapter (s) of the IRS Code, is treated like a partnership for determining Federal Income Tax Liability. At the end of the year, total net profits or losses are prorated to each of the Corporation's shareholders based on their equity interest in the company, and their profits or losses are incorporated into their personal income tax returns. The "double taxation" that was referenced is avoided because the individual is responsible for the taxes on the profit or loss, but is not then responsible again (through their stake in the corporation). The corporation is not generally liable for federal income tax at all.

What all of this has to do with Simutronics is beyond me. It appears that the tort lawyer is trying to make it sound like all this has some bearing on how Simutronics acts as a company toward its customers when really it's all just tax classification. But you know, when you use those big words that the general public doesn't usually understand, you can make yourself sound like you know a helluva lot about something...

GG reg

Just show up to Simucon a day early, and run down to the courthouse and get a copy of every complaint that has been filed.

Might make for some interesting reading. Then again, maybe not.

reg

Roberta
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GG reg

GS Lawyer

Oh since you know the law so well you should know copying copyrighted material is *illegal*. reg

GS Lawyer reg

Sometimes it appears as though I'm reading the post of a mature adult, and sometimes it looks more like the scrawling of some punk kid who looked up a few impressive phrases and plunked them down so we'd think he wasn't a punk kid.

The jury's still out

Roberta

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Originally posted by tort:
There you go again thinking you know everything, I am perfectly aware of what an S corporation is I just pointed it out to you since you believe Simutronics was a corporation when in all actuallity it is not.

GS Lawyer

Oh since you know the law so well you should know copying copyrighted material is *illegal*.

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I don't see how this case falls under tort law. I've seen tort cases ranging from faulty breast implants to false imprisonment. Yes minor things like someone slipping in Mcdonalds (O'Banner v. McDonald's Corp.), or even Repainted BMW's ,But I don't get why Scintillion's case would fall under this category.

Heh, unless you are going for defimation of character(the emotional scars from his damaged *good* name)...

And if thats the case, assuming their actions were libelous per se (unless you plan on showing his inability to have sex or other nonsense injuries), that malice is presumed. It would be hard for any court to believe that simutronics acted with deliberate malicious intent, as per his 7 warnings and their policy that pretty clearly states that is more then enough for removal. (New York Times v. Sullivan).

Id also advise that you make darn sure that Scint has absolutely no affiliation with that website whatsoever. Not a friend of his who knows a guy who contributed, not a girlfriend who made comments, nothing.

Just some free advise.

'lood
nottalawyer reg

Maybe you're really Tort!

One week you're busting on everyone and their brother making snide remarks and accusations, and the next week you're making 100% total and completely logical sense.

What's up with that!

Oh and by the way, I once knew someone in GS whose character name was Tort. And he wasn't a lawyer. Just thought I'd throw that in for kicks.

Roberta
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Originally posted by tort:
There you go again thinking you know everything, I am perfectly aware of what an S corporation is I just pointed it out to you since you believe Simutronics was a corporation when in all actuallity it is not.

GS Lawyer

Oh since you know the law so well you should know copying copyrighted material is *illegal*.

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Actually, I was responding to a question posed directly to me, asking what an S Corporation was. I wasn't saying that *you* didn't know what one was, did I? And um, since I "believe Simutronics is a corporation when in all actuality it is not"? Huh? They sure are a corporation. Are they an LLC? Not from anything I've been able to find, but I won't go so far as to say they aren't.

I have no idea what you mean about copying copywrited material, so I'll not respond to that particular delusion of yours.

GG reg

Fish sticks in a paper sack are fish sticks. The same fish sticks wrapped in a gift box , tied with a pretty bow, and laced with sparkles are still the same fish sticks.

The same holds true for lobster

'lood
Not one to bring up old analogies... reg

Roberta, well fed. reg

GS Lawyer reg

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Asmodea Drey'Haus reg

But tort claimed that while most lawyers start out with an English major, he started his in poli-sci.

Now where he got this bit of information I'll never know. When I lived in Cambridge and applied to Harvard for some post-grad courses I was interested in taking, I read over their yearly stats brochure. The majority of students graduating with a law degree started out in political science. Same with Yale - been a New Havenite most of my life. Same with Cornell - my twin cousins both passed the bar after graduating from that college.

Roberta
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This whole thread is a bunch of crap. If Simutronics had been sued (even if they settled) there would be a paper trail of some kind. So prove it.

Also, give me the name and number of this lawyer (or your name and number, tort... as well as where you graduated law school and what state you practice in).

I know this is pointless. Why? Because there IS NO lawyer. If there was, he/she would have no problem giving up basic contact information. Especially since you all seem to sue Simutronics so often. Funny how we never hear about it except on these boards...

reg

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Originally posted by NoOneImportant:
Heh.

This whole thread is a bunch of crap. If Simutronics had been sued (even if they settled) there would be a paper trail of some kind. So prove it.

Also, give me the name and number of this lawyer (or your name and number, tort... as well as where you graduated law school and what state you practice in).

I know this is pointless. Why? Because there IS NO lawyer. If there was, he/she would have no problem giving up basic contact information. Especially since you all seem to sue Simutronics so often. Funny how we never hear about it except on these boards...

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Well posts like these usualy get pulled on any other boards. I wonder if there is a paper trail of Scints settlement? My bet is no.

reg

When you want to sue someone, you don't just call them up and demand a settlement. You file papers with a court (through your lawyer) and you have a little court case. Then if you all decide to settle, you withdraw your complaint and all are happy. Whether you settle or not, there is STILL a paper trail that would be easily findable by anyone willing to search.

So, Mister Tort Lawyer (aka Edgeleaf incognito, probably) you're wrong when you say there is no paper trail because they settled. You could at least do a LITTLE research before coming here trying to BS people.

NoOneImportant reg

http://www.lsat-center.com/lsat-page2.html

They only score 120-180. reg

I hate to “out” you, Ima, but you’ve caused my company so much hard earned cash with your constant string of lawsuits. For everyone’s benefit, Mr. Dumas, Esquire has been successfully slinging lawsuits against us for quite some time. None of these, as he as said, have ever gone to court because, given his reputation in his home town, there is no way we’d be able to defend ourselves for less money than it takes to just settle. If any of you have ever seen the show Matlock… well Ima was the inspiration for that character. Facts mean little when the sheer force of your down-home southern lawyer’n can twist pretty numb-headed jurors to your way of thinking.

The worst, of course, is the lawsuit he brought on behalf of Tae. You may know him as Psionix. Before Mr. Dumas and his client were done with me, that guy ended up driving away with my coveted ’96 Acura NSX as several pictures on the web have already documented. That one really hurt! I’ll never forgive you for that Ima! I mean business is business, but man you go too far.

Many of you are confused why there are no legal records of any lawsuits being filed. Obviously you can’t file a lawsuit without there being quite a bit of paper work presented to the court, but so far we’ve been pretty sensitive about letting this sort of thing get out. And, as anyone who knows anything about Mega corporations like Simutronics, we have certain “friends” in the court clerk’s office who help us in this regard. <wink wink> I mean, how else can you explain it?

Obviously we hesitated to reveal the truth about our willingness to settle just about any lawsuit that comes our way, but in the end the Board decided that the best policy was to address the issue head on. So, from this point on, we will not settle any lawsuits brought by Mr. Dumas. As God is my witness, he will no longer be the harbinger of such torment ever again! We will FIGHT FIGHT FIGHT!

Now, excuse me, I must get back to my party. I have lots of very pretty, nubile GemStone girls waiting quite impatiently for me to propose another toast to capitalism! Life is hell, but at least I am free of the Ima Dumas scourge once and for all!

David Whatley
President & CEO
Simutronics Corporation (a ‘C’ Corporation, by the way)

[This message has been edited by LordKranar (edited 07-30-2001).] reg

~ A long-time player and gamehost who wishes to remain anonymous. reg

<g> reg

As for the Tort Lawyer. Not me.

edge

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NoOneImportant reg

But I got the proof I needed. Sorry for the mistake, but understandably, if it weren't him and I just let a post like that get away, it would violate T.O.S and it's there to serve a purpose.

- Lord Kranar, human Archwizard reg

Fishing around.

reg

Most likely not.

I would have to say if anyone from staff actually does come here and post, they will post one or maybe two times and then never be back.

Thanks for the post, it was humerous, but the concerns addressed elsewhere could use some attention.

Buckwheet reg

Well, when I made my post it was immediately yanked for apparent violation of TOS... impersonation of staff. The "Bardon" account was also blown away cuz the trace-rt didn't lead to Simutronics (I was posting from home).

I subsequently contacted a very skeptical Kranar via IM to plead innocent. I followed up with ironclad evidence of my identity... much to his surprise I think. <smile>

Kranar reposted the message then edited the author to be "Bardon", an account that no longer existed.

Upon noticing this myself, I was instructed to recreate the Bardon account. And here I am again. And all is well.

Or maybe, that's just what someone WANTS you to believe!

By the way, for anyone who still thinks GS Lawyer is, well, an officer of the court... I'd like to suggest the following book. This will serve as an enlightening guide back to planet Earth:

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0716733870/qid=996507597/sr=2-1/ref=aps_sr_b_1_1/102-6217014-6912930

Throw some points into the ol' critical thinking skill. Makes success in life sooooo much easier. <wink>

David Whatley
Misses his NSX (boo hoo!)

reg

Kranar is my most trusted right hand man, however with a topic as sensitive as this I personally require proof.

Here is my position. Sorry if this seems to be dragging this out. But here goes.

In all the years I have played GS never once have I seen an official employee of the company post on any board. I open up the players corner less then a year ago and we have the CEO of the company post. I don't know if this is good or bad, or if someone is playing a joke at my expense and at the person they are attempting to be.

You have fully conviced my right hand man of your identity and regardelss if you are or are not the person you say you are, your posts are highly enjoyable and I hope you continue to make them.

All I am asking is you offer me the same concrete proof that you did Kranar.

Hopefully you can understand my position.

Buckwheet reg

A hell of a lot more proof of authenticity than, say, a certain "lawyer" has proffered. <wink>

-- David
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Welcome to the Player's Corner!

Sorry for the hassle. Now back to suing!

Buckwheet reg

‘let the powerful get away with whatever they want’
I don’t work that way, neither does Bill O’Reilly.

-Pirub reg

As for expecting a reply. Please tell me when posting a reply on this board became a required task to be expected? reg

-Pirub

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The latter can cost you loyal customers if you do nothing about it. reg

edge
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'Why ban people for making anti-gs webpages?'

-Pirub reg

In my opinion, Simutronics isn't too worried about losing loyal customers. The staffs' "Guilty - no matter what you say, or prove" attitude, their lack of response to letters and concerns, their failure to accept ANY responsibility for things that go wrong, or for the bad decisions they make, shows me that Simutronics isn't too concerned with losing long-term, loyal customers.

Gandmor

[This message has been edited by Gandmor (edited 08-01-2001).] reg

I never claimed to be an officer of the court.

I am only 20 and still studying to become a corporate lawyer.

Just to set the record staright.

GS Lawyer reg

GS Soon-to-be Lawyer

PS
David since I got your attention I would like to say... growing pains suck!

[This message has been edited by GS Lawyer (edited 08-01-2001).] reg

I'm going to be skeptical of everything! Man, can't trust anyone anymore on the net.

Now I know why Desharei is so skeptical.

- Lord Kranar, human Archwizard

P.S - I'm Bill Gates. reg

Edge man I am sorry for not telling you the truth about all this and that you defended something that wasnt true.. I am really sorry man! I know I could have told you that I had a buddy posting but I figured you would be mad when you were defending lies... I had no idea it would go this far. reg

Roberta
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But aren't you at least glad you know the truth now?

By the way, Simutronics has NEVER settled out of court and never been sued. Maybe now you all will believe me when I say that.

NoOneImportant reg

You'll make a fine lawyer some day son...

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Ry sorry for the informal greeting. You indeed are right court records are available, Simutronics HAS been sued *BUT* has always settled out of court

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I never claimed to be an officer of the court

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I am a Tort lawyer
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If you think I am not a lawyer, why would I lie about being one? (I would much rather be a doctor.)

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I am only 20 and still studying to become a corporate lawyer

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The reasoning for the bad post is that I don't have very much time to fool around with 13-20 year old kids.

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I scored a 32 on the Senior LSAT exam; I am on the bar in OK, KY and TN.

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I was informed via IM to put a 1 in front of the posted LSAT score. This puts him right above the average zoo primate in LSAT ability. 150 is the 50th percentile. To get in a top tier school, they require at least a 165 (most of the time much higher)

'lood
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I am running out of friends!

I am really disappointed. Scint's crap. Now Tort. Anyone else?

I need something to drink and lots of it.

I think it's about time to take a break....

edge

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Maybe you've been putting your faith in the wrong sort of people. It's fun to think in terms of conspiracies and this notion that Simutronics does things with sort of malicious or ill-considered reasons. The more likely scenario, though, is that we have very good reasons for what we do and you just are not aware of all the facts surrounding it.

People like "GS Lawyer" and the other guy... demonstrate that the truth ultimately comes out. It'd just be nice, speaking personally, to get the benefit of the doubt once in awhile. <smile>

-- David

ps. Special thanks to NoOneImportant for never waivering from the known facts.
reg

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Originally posted by edge:
:Sigh:

I am running out of friends!

I am really disappointed. Scint's crap. Now Tort. Anyone else?

I need something to drink and lots of it.

I think it's about time to take a break....

edge

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Am I all that bad? <pout> Thought I was the only good one left...

Beer...peh...

Err...you gave that up! <wink>

reg

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Originally posted by Bardon:
I hate to say this, I know it'll strike the wrong nerve, but...

Maybe you've been putting your faith in the wrong sort of people. It's fun to think in terms of conspiracies and this notion that Simutronics does things with sort of malicious or ill-considered reasons. The more likely scenario, though, is that we have very good reasons for what we do and you just are not aware of all the facts surrounding it.

People like "GS Lawyer" and the other guy... demonstrate that the truth ultimately comes out. It'd just be nice, speaking personally, to get the benefit of the doubt once in awhile. <smile>

-- David

ps. Special thanks to NoOneImportant for never waivering from the known facts.

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I feel like this is metaphorical to the early days of Secure Web Transfers...

No one was really sure if they wanted to send their CC across the net...just in case someone might steal the number and buy up a buncha stuff.

Get into a game full of people you've never known personally...hell...you could be playing against Bill Clinton for a while and never know it...

I'm pretty sure on this one...although it was a rumor that I believed for a while...

Sandra Bullock usedta play an empath in the late AOL - early web era...I might be wrong...but I thought that was pretty cool...

Hell...Tedra's a famous person herself :P

reg

That would be Eric Bloom, lead Guitarist for BOC, a real RAD dude. The last two times that Eric has been close by he has sent us tickets and passes to come up back/on stage with him pre/post shows. Us as in Galyden, Freth, Morandas, Temperess, Seckara.

Heh, the last time we went Me and Galyden almost got mauled by some drunk idiots that were behind us fighting each other in the crowd. Definately an exciting time.

fear the reaper man!

-Morandas reg

Another really RAD dude.

-Morandas reg