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Here is an e-mail i wrote to feedback, and their responce. Basically, i can't kill anyone, ever defend myself, if somone attacks me i have to log off the game or run with my tail tucked between my legs, and if i DO defend myself i get banned permenently. Plus i'm not aloud in dueling areas anymore suposivly but hell, they can't ban me for just sitting there watchin i hope. The point of this post is to warn other ''bad'' people like me not to get too many warnings <even though i consider my character to be very nice to people most of the time> because if you do, you don't have the right to do crap anymore.

At 10:42 PM 7/19/01, you wrote:

I have an issue with this statement on your policy.

GameMasters may not show favoritism towards one player or another.

OK, great. But, it's not enforced. I have a bad record. I have 11
warnings. So in almost every GM I've talked to, My right to do most things
has been stripped from me. Kennesaw said I cannot kill anyone, ever. Isn't
that showing favoritism towards players with no warnings? Yes, it is. I
will garentee no GM will tell somone with 0 warnings to never kill anyone.

Now, there is also a problem. I've been told by other GM's that I can, in
fact, kill people.

SEND[Kennesaw] I think that's the last time you kill anyone, period.

OK, so I can't kill people.

Mahegh says, "Being on the boulder, is invitation in itself of CvC.."
>'So I can kill anyone I want if I'm on the boulder?
>
You ask, "So I can kill anyone I want if i'm on the boulder?"
>
Mahegh says, "As long as it's not disruptive."

Wait, now I can kill people.

Marisol says, "But looking at your record, I would seriously think twice
about killing anything that's not a creature."

Hm.. now I can't kill people.

The real problem here is that every GM has a different opinion on how Policy
works. Some say you can defend yourself... some say if you do your banned.
That's a very large problem. Not to mention that Mahegh treated me with No
respect after he found out about my record, said that since I have a bad
record what I say is probably a lie, and everyone with whom I've spoken to
has agreed with this statement. Mahegh is conceited/self absorbed and his
ego is boundless.


Game masters like this make the game harder and harder to play, with being
constantly harassed and so on. It is currently impossible to play the role
of a bad guy when all GM's tell us to report and assist when anyone is
harassing you. This needs to change. Customers need to be treated with
respect. People of this game are not going to take abuse too much longer
before doing somthing about it.

Marisol told me to write here for a review of the situation. Well, that's
what I'm doing. I'm asking for better customer service. I've been a loyal
customer for 3 years or so, have 2 accounts, have recommended many people to
the game, and yet I still get treated like crap. Is there anything that us
as customers can do about this? And what can we do about Game Masters who
abuse their powers and ban / warn anyone who doesn't follow their every
command?

PS I'd be willing to bet that it takes longer then 5 days to get a response
to my e-mail. That would be a point made by itself. If I get a reply
earlier, perhaps I'll know that Service is improving somewhat.

Thanks

Player of Icedraggon

The policy you mention is designed to ward against GM's allowing their personal feelings interfere with their objectivity. GM's are not allowed to assist their friends, nor are they allowed to hinder their enemies.

Kennesaw's statement "you are no longer allowed PvP" is based on your record, not his feelings about you. Any statements you may have received from other GM's were made without researching your record appropriately and are superceded by his statement. At the point he said it, his statement became official policy with regards to your character unless it is overturned by feedback or the product manager. I can guarantee that we will not overturn a statement such as this on an account with 11 warnings. We may not catch you immediately, but the next time you are complained about, you will find that your record will have caught up with you. I strongly advise you to avoid dueling areas at all costs.

If you are attacked or find yourself in conflict with another player, your options at this point are to either log out of the game and come back later or place a report and attempt to leave the situation. If you report being harassed, the GM staff will investigate and deal with it appropriately.
reg

Consider a policy violation kinda like a speeding ticket. You didn't commit some horrible crime, just an infraction of the rules and had to pay a fine.

Now you got 11 speeding tickets. So they told you the next time, they're taking away your license.

"BUT I'M A TAXPAYER! I have the right to drive and you taking my license away is unfair! You're favoring people who have no tickets over me! I've been driving for 3 years now, with two cars, and I've paid for the right to drive. Says so right here on my license!"

Okay Icedragon, does the above quotation make ANY sense to you? At all? Even remotely? Does it make sense that anyone who breaks the rules 11 times in *any* situation "has the right" to continue doing whatever they were doing to break the rules?

If you think that the person with 11 speeding tickets should be told "Nah go ahead and keep speeding, you've paid for the right." then I hope to god I never have the displeasure of seeing you and your auto in my state.

Roberta
reg

You can't compare a speeding ticket to GS warning. No way in hell is that a appropriate comparison.

1. You get a warning in GS. It's there for life. Tickets come off in 3 years.

2. You get your license back if you get punished. Gs, it's gone for life if you are perma banned.

3. You can actually fight a ticket. In all my years of playing GS I have not known any of my friends to get a banning overturned. Scint will the be first. That is because of the pressure put on Simu by others.

I got 9 warnings. Some as old as 3 or 4 years. When do they come off? Never. Tickets leave after a while. So come on now. When you get a Rep or a Record in GS. It can NEVER be cleaned up.

Simu is losing membership pretty fast lately. Peak hours on a Sat. and didn't break 1000 players.

edge reg

Don't like my speeding ticket analogy? Fine, I'll do the kiddy with the ball analogy instead.

Kid gets caught bullying another kid with a ball. Mommy gives the kid a warning.

Kid gets caught stealing the ball from the other kid. Mommy gives the kid a second warning.

Kid gets caught throwing the ball at cars in the street. Mommy gives the kid a third warning.

Add another 8 infractions til you equal 11.

Mommy takes the ball, punctures it and stuffs it in the trash compactor.

Ball gone, kid will have to find something else to do. End of story.

Roberta
reg

Again a crappy comparison

Each warnings for something different and i know that icedraggons doesnt do stuff that we all know is blatantly against policy, Im real good friends with him and more than half the warnings hes issued has been in a grey area, and with each situation he and i are able to argue our point across till the gm just says alright i cant think of anything else to say, because im a highschool dropout and this is the best thing i can do with my time, the only escapre out of this situation is to send us to a cell, and ask a superior what they do next time their authority is challenged and they horribly wrong. GRUMBLE and by the way what the hell are you doin up at 350 in the mornin postin messages???

[This message has been edited by Rusval (edited 07-22-2001).] reg

In that comparision. But the boy can build trust with Mommy again eventually. But with Simutronics. You got a perma record. That 10 years down the road, it will still be held against you.

I guess when the kiddie gets 11 warnings. Mommy just kills him.

Try a better one...

edge reg

You can get rid of a rep.
It will be a full year in a few weeks since my last lockout. Its not hard to stay out of trouble. If you really want to.

Comments like "they cant ban me for just watching, i dont think". Thats where you get into trouble. You know damn well you can't just sit there and watch forever. One time you'll say something thats taken the wrong way, not meaning to cause trouble, and someone will get offended by it. And of course, since your at the boulder , they'll end up fighting you over it. Then your poofed into the consult room and plead you didnt do anything. Which, in fact , you did. You shouldnt have been there in the first place.

And now you want to get into scripting ice? Come on. Thats just asking for even more trouble. You get caught more with your first few attempts at scripting then any other time.

'lood reg

Icedragon, your situation has nothing to do with harassment or GM power abuse, you brought this attention on yourself by breaking the rules or attempting to toe the gray lines (and rather poorly if you have received 11 warnings). How long you have played GS3 or the number of accounts you have, are irrelevant in this situation, you have been identified as a problem by your very actions. As such, every questionable action you make will be seen as part of a pattern rather than an exception. So suck it up and make your choice: play by Gemstone’s rules or find a new hobby. reg
Weee Rusvals back in 30 days smirk

Mainly because of the weak case the gms had gainst me started as a permanent, but in any case i dun even think i deserved that, i was just reported by like 40 people in 5 minutes all on boulder because i was killin people whom killed me and were killin me... Ahhhh well, atleast no more powerhuntin fer a month, smirk, Till then, rusval signing off
grin reg

Scripting.. When did i ever say anything about scripting?
reg
You have 11 warnings and two lockouts and you think the GMs should let you stay? Come on now. Obviously your behavior hasn't improved.

reg

Well, someone using the name Icedragon has been posting script questions on the the-spot. Whether it is you or not the point still stands.
reg
That was icedragOOn different person i think......... reg
The number of accounts and years I've played is very relevant to the situation. I've got warnings on both accounts, but they add those warnings together. So I think I have 5 warnings on one account, and 6 on the other. Nearly not as bad as one person on one account with 11 warnings. Also, the number of years makes A difference because someone with 11 warnings in 1 year is much more of a troublemaker then someone with 11 warnings over a span of 5 years. And I haven't gotten a warning in over a year, so I don't see how NoOneImportent thinks my behavior isn't improving. Your just ignorant like the GM's in thinking I'm a good for nothing snert as soon as you see 11 warnings, but actually I'm nice to most people in GS. Next time, think twice about criticizing someone just because of their warnings. reg
You have not had a warning since July 26 2000?

Have you gotten a send, or been in the consultation lounge since July 26 2000?


'lood

reg

Whether the warnings were on 1 account or 10, it makes no difference. They were all played by YOU. That's 11 warnings for ONE person in five (heh)years. Most people only have 1 or 2 in that time. 11 is out of control.

As far as the not getting warned in the past year part - maybe that's true. But I guarantee you've been pulled in to the Consultation Lounge or otherwise spent time talking to GMs about your snertish activities. You've always been a jerk to my little characters, especially when I've seen you in the kobold village, so think twice before disregarding the opinion of someone. Never know when people you picked on will come back to haunt you. reg

heh, who exactly are your characters, maybe that could shed some light on the situation, lord have mercy on your sol if you ikenn, and been a little hypocritical bumb for all your posts
grunts reg
Only an idiot would post their real character names after saying the things I've said on this board. You think I want you all harrassing me in game all the time? No. I want to enjoy myself when I play, not sit and deal with you guys.

reg

<Only an idiot would post their real character names after saying the things I've said on this board>

God, people are so cowardly nowadays. Can't take responsibilty for their own actions. This is who you want running Gemstone?

Seems more like a stalker to me....heh

edge reg

quote:
Originally posted by edge:
<Only an idiot would post their real character names after saying the things I've said on this board>

God, people are so cowardly nowadays. Can't take responsibilty for their own actions. This is who you want running Gemstone?

Seems more like a stalker to me....heh

edge


Stalker? No no no...NoOneImportant has interests to protect, Edge. Either he is/isn't a GM/GH/Mistress to GH/GM/Father/Mother to a GM/GH's baby/or just prefers to be the one kid in the class that just sucks up to the teacher just so there lil' itty bitty self-esteem can be uplifted.

Don't feel bad NoOneImportant...you aren't the only one...just take a gander at the Suggestions/Comments/Concerns folder...I actually like the way it used to be...Suggestions/Whines/Concerns...that was way more appropriate :P

And heh...why should we all get up in arms if...you're NO ONE IMPORTANT?

: :

reg

ROFL

Yeah. I'm a coward because I'd rather not have you all harrassing me in game. Suuuuure. reg

>ROFL
Yeah. I'm a coward because I'd rather not have you all harrassing me in game.....>

Yeah. You are. First smart thing i've EVER heard you type. reg

"Yeah. You are. First smart thing i've EVER heard you type."

And we all know my goal in life is to impress you!


reg