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I would like to know if Xeldria is a GM\Sage
GH. I suspect her as someone. But not for sure. Plus go to the HS porch when a group of the elitist are there. Logged all the names then post them here. Maybe we can put 2 and 2 together.

Let's start sharing this knowledge. Make then accountable for their actions.

I had a list, but lost is in a bad crash. So let's start a new one.

Also if you know what GMs are certain merchants.

Off the top of my head...

Andraste is Orlic.

Never really paid attention to those though.

edge

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GM Warden is Thrudh (I seriously doubt that guy would use favortism, seems from what I have read of his posts he is one of the few who is worth something at simu).

Used to know more before but many have left.

This is a good list to start and for the reasons Edge stated. Not to harass but just be aware.

reg

I could go into a ton more...but a lot of the people i know are gone now.

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Is it really any of your business?

NO reg

So, is it any of my business?

YES.

edge reg

Not going to make it easy on you.

edge

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I'll go give your lawyer, Ima Dumas (according to David Whatley), a call right away! reg

edge reg

[This message has been edited by LordKranar (edited 07-30-2001).] reg

[This message has been edited by LordKranar (edited 07-30-2001).] reg

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Originally posted by edge:
I would like to know if Xeldria is a GM\Sage
GH. I suspect her as someone.

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Unless things changed within the last 2 months, she's not. She was at Simucon and wasn't wearing a staff badge.

BTW, please consider the downside to this thread: only a fraction of the GMs and other staff are involved with customer relations. When you "out" their PC's, it basically means they can't play them any more without being constantly hounded by other players. You're going to hurt any GM you do this too, whether they deserve it or not. reg

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She was at Simucon and wasn't wearing a staff badge.

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I know of at least two other GH's who didn't wear a staff badge to Simucon. OF COURSE if they did, you'd know who their players were from past gathers.

OF COURSE, also, I'm not talking. reg

Once a GMs PC is "outted" to the general populace they can no longer play that character because players will constantly hound them, as Tsoran said.

If you behave and act like adults, you won't have to worry about getting kicked out of the game. Unfortunately, most of you don't seem to understand that simple concept.

By the way, I bet you more non-staff players report about you than staff players. When GMs play the game, I highly doubt they hang out at the boulder. reg

NoOne, if you really believe that statement, I have some beach property in Arizona I would like to sell you!

Gandmor
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Sure they do... I've seen Khaladon there a couple of times and other GMs.

Oh sure "they were just answering an assist", uh huh. Deep down they know it, and I know it, they were there for the duels

- Lord Kranar, human Archwizard reg

Show me a case where someone respectable got locked out "for no reason." Every single lockout post I've read here is from someone with several warnings (read: more than 5-10) and previous lockouts. They are people who constantly cause trouble (as I've often seen with several of my younger characters).

The only cases I've heard of where more respectable people got locked out are those where they abused bugs and/or were caught AFK script hunting. They knew it was wrong, but hoped to get away with it anyways.

I've never once heard of a lockout that wasn't actually warranted. I've heard tons of people proclaiming innocence and GM corruption, but then you find out they have 10 warnings and a previous lockout. It's just like when you go to a prison. Everyone there claims they were innocent. Very rarely will people admit to being wrong.

~NoOneImportant reg

Not only did she receive a very stiff punishment for a first offense, she lost the money that she had spent on tickets for airship trips. I'm a little uncomfortable with a company that sells tickets to an event, prevents someone from attending, and then refuses to refund their money.

When I tried to bring attention to this case, my posts were removed from the boards and I was instructed to write Feedback. After writing Feedback, they responded by saying not to write there. Letters to staff went unanswered.

The GM that handled this case was extremely rude to my friend and refused to consider that she was telling the truth. Letters she has written to Lock-out, Feedback, and GMs, asking for advice on bugs and how to know if someone has encountered one, have gone unanswered. GM Zulkata did respond to one of her letters and explained to her how serious bugs were and the effect they have on the game. Until his letter, all she had received was a form letter that didn't offer any explanation as to what she did wrong.

I have played Gemstones for years and never had any reason, or desire, to get involved with issues regarding staff conduct and decisions until now. It has been disgusting and disappointing to witness the favoritism, and lack of customer service by Simu Staff.

Gandmor reg

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Originally posted by NoOneImportant:
I've never once heard of a lockout that wasn't actually warranted

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I can. The Bard Gem Bug at Hearthstone with Malok. It required a bard. Malok is a sorcerer.

Even GM Krash wrote the following, in part, by e-mail to Malok after his 30 day lockout:

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A great deal of discussion went into that issue, between numerous gm's.

Not all gm's shared the same opinion on what should be done, and indeed, I think you and I both know, the entire issue was cloudy at best, with many folks not telling the truth, distorting the truth, or conveniently not
giving full details of the issue. I'll again say, not all the gm's agreed on the final results, but you are aware of how it was resolved. I'll simply say that I'm glad you decided to stick with us, and if in your heart you feel the lockout was 100% unfounded, than I apologize for what was certainly an inconvenience to you.

I'm always available should you have comments or concerns, please don't hesistate to write.

Tony - Krash

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As was stated, at BEST, the issue was cloudy. Yet, Malok got a lockout. Undeserved. And up to that point in time, he had a grand total of 1 warning.

To believe that NO ONE in the entire history of Gemstone has been wrongfully punished is ludicrous, and naive. Mistakes happen.

Very rarely will people admit to being wrong. ~NoOneImportant

Absolutely. However, GMs are human and fall under that statement as well.

Back to topic though...

Personally, I like knowing who they are. Helps me avoid the ones that I don't get along with, and allows me to help the ones that I do.

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NoOneImportant...i don't care how sad it might seem that you claim your innocence of not at least being a host...but either you are...or you just prefer sitting in either GH's or GM's laps while you play? Or you just prefer sitting under the desk of billing representatives while they answer phone calls.

It's pretty rediculous...i've seen girls suck popsicles and look @ me in a way that I would definitely be interested in them after a while...but anyway...

I actually have quite a few stories that i know everyone would just die laughing from...

GM to player to merchant conversions? Ha!

How 'bout Men playing Female conversions?

Female playing Male conversions...some people would die if i told you some of the people that play other sexes...hell I've done it several times in the past.

As for the 'innocent lockouts'...yes i actually know of a situation before about a few guys being locked out...Drafin and another guy that purchased Dissipate...seems Drafin went to SimuCon...hooked up with THE BEST EMPLOYEE OF ALL TIME AT SIMUTRONICS: Eric Slick (Of course that is the most sarcastic sentence ever typed by this Dell keyboard)...and was cleared of all charges...

The charges originally being something of Dissipate collecting several millions of coins from people for ET's...but taking too long of a time to return the items...why did Drafin get off and the other guy is permanently banned? Makes no sense. However the second guy did kinda help with "allowing" the GM's evidence proving that Eric Slick aka Sayzor aka Sagan was probably one of the earliest GS corruption artists that has ever been around.

As Edge's asked me to give a lil' dose of dirt every now and then...I think I'm gunna start "My Weekly Dirt Folder"...

Any objections?

PS I can't wait to see how much of this is edited, if it's pulled, etc. etc.

Thanks fer ya time...sorry for the length. reg

Why is certain people allowed to swear ingame with getting a warning? Chuckaar posted on the official boards that Angellisa got a warning for saying f*g. He then immediately said it several times without a single send or warning. Answer me why? You are one of the ones in power.

Oh wait....Still in denial that this doesn't ever happen.

edge reg

NoOneImportant:"I believe that the GM's opinion on this matter is simply wonderful. I usually sit outside with them and we drink coke and smoke candy cigarettes while playing hopscotch. Yes...Gm's know how to play hopscotch! Isn't it great!?!?!? I think they're so much fun...er...wait am I one...or am I NoOneImportant?"

Me:I think it's just that some people are friends with the right people. Hell...lemme think...if Psionix walked into a room and barked out a swear...hmm...bad example since he's Rex...

Uh...

I think that there is definitely an amount of favoritism...

I sent Edge a log of Boomsplat being picked 5 times in 6 spins by Eza's spinner on the airship...then I left that room...he was picked 3 times by Mazied and Megwyn for puppets. Now if you've looked at Booms there's no doubt he's covered in altered stuff...

That's fine with me..hell put me in his position i'd love life...BUT...

When Giantphang walks on the airship for the first time in 3 days and is picked @ 2 consecutive merchants while I wasn't picked for either merchants in 3 days @ 2x @ each merchant...that's a little worse...but I'm fine...

When you can do this it's rediculous...

<person> whispers to you, "Bet you 1 mil that 2 people out of Parlanne, Reyvin, Razina, Giantphang, Boomsplat, Viviana, or Amerek'll get picked..."

whisper <person> aight bet

Congratulations Parlanne...

Congratulations Viviana

Congratulations Viviana

Congratulations Viviana

Congratulations Amerek

Congratulations Parlanne

Congratulations <person>

Ya...they got picked...but that's the actual text that was seen (With some editing to get to the jist of the idea) when waiting in Eza's hatch...

That's rediculous IMO

But hey...who am I? NoOneImportantJustLilOlMe

Teeheee!

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Originally posted by edge:
Since we got people talking about this.

Why is certain people allowed to swear ingame with getting a warning? Chuckaar posted on the official boards that Angellisa got a warning for saying f*g. He then immediately said it several times without a single send or warning. Answer me why? You are one of the ones in power.

Oh wait....Still in denial that this doesn't ever happen.

edge

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[This message has been edited by JustLilOlMe (edited 07-30-2001).] reg

Eric Slick is NOT Sayzor/Sagan.

As far as favoritism, yeah, it probably exists somewhat. But if any GM is out there giving their favorite players super "kewl" items, they'll get fired for it if they get caught. Most GMs care too much about their position to put it in jeopardy by doing that.

I'm sure you all don't believe me since you seem to get your kicks from saying all Simu staff are power hungry monsters who get off on making YOUR (yes, I'm talking about YOU) life miserable and giving YOU warnings/lockouts for no reason whatsoever.

I mean, shouldn't we all be allowed to go around swearing like little thugs and killing everyone just because it's fun? reg

I'm glad that a lot of people are bringing up questions and issues which you would never dream about asking on the official boards. That's why we're the Player's Corner, far from anything official.

I don't want to ever see these boards become the Official Boards Part II (oh, there's already an Official BBS part II? Well then let's not make this one Part III), but on the other hand this folder above all is touching on some serious and sensitive issues. These topics are causing a ton of "questionable language" to be let loose, and posts being deleted.

I would ask that if you have a good point to make, don't let your point be lost or have it deleted/edited because of some language or very vulgar insult you tried to pass into your post.

This place is here to let you take risks, and ask questions perhaps that you wouldn't think about asking elsewhere. Just take this thread for example, GMs and their PCs, very risky thread to discuss and touch on, but it's not my intention to shut it down. Don't always believe the answer you get or believe something simply because you WANT to believe it.

We can continue to post info that Simu most likely doesn't want us to know. Post about characters who have wronged you through scamming, about lockouts for questionable reasons, favortism. But the further we dig into that info, we may find ourselves believing it's true simply because we want it to be that way.

- Lord Kranar, human Archwizard

Trying to keep it clean. reg

Care to make a wager on that one?

Why don't you get on the website and check out the article on how GS is okay for children...written by Eric Slick...

Check out the pic's at old GS gatherings of Eric Slick (AKA Sagan)...in several pictures not one...

Get facts straight...if you work for Simu and I know that and you don't...you're just plan dull.
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Originally posted by JustLilOlMe:
[B]<<ROFLMAO!!!!
Eric Slick is NOT Sayzor/Sagan.>>

Care to make a wager on that one?

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Sure. How about any amount you care to name and are able to afford to risk?

-Andy
who loves taking bets that can't possibly be lost
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And yep Eric Slick aint even close to Sagan or Sayzor. Much different looking and much lighter in weight.

Sayzor is no longer staff.

Wow and imagine if the official staff instead of reading fringe boards actually answered the legit questions on their own official boards? Maybe, just maybe, the game would get better.

Since this thread is also fragmenting from the original topic. I would swear under oath that I have personally seen at a GM's home her make special items for a person she was intimate with in real life.

Put that in your pipe.

And why was my Andraste comment deleted? Doesn't seem too far out there considering the previous post before mine.

Care to explain Kranar?
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- Lord Kranar, human Archwizard reg

Glad to see "The Watcher of Growing Trees Here"

How you doin' Andy?

I guess I'm not as versed in Real Names of GM's and GH's as I thought I was...

I _did_ know that Sayzor/Sagan was a bit more on the hefty side.

As for posts being pulled Kranar am I being bad? Lemme know.

Good to see we have more and more staff posting here...I was just about to give up hope on the player to GM/GH/Staff Relationship as a whole.

Lil' Me
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NoOneImportant...

You must be doing well at this job...

Ever since you've posted more and more people from staff seem to be showing up...

Hmmmm.......

:yay: reg

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Originally posted by NoOneImportant:
As far as favoritism, yeah, it probably exists somewhat.

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Agreed. They are after all, human.

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Originally posted by NoOneImportant:
But if any GM is out there giving their favorite players super "kewl" items, they'll get fired for it if they get caught..

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I seriously doubt this is happening nowadays except under the most unusual of circumstances. There are more checks and balances in place today, than there were way back when. But, in my opinion, to say that this has never happened would be erroneous.

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Originally posted by NoOneImportant:
Most GMs care too much about their position to put it in jeopardy by doing that.

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Generally - yes. However, there are times (as with any company), that a disgruntled employee that plans on leaving to get a different job in the very near future, does make this sort of situation a possibility.

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Originally posted by NoOneImportant:
I'm sure you all don't believe me since you seem to get your kicks from saying all Simu staff are power hungry monsters who get off on making YOUR (yes, I'm talking about YOU) life miserable and giving YOU warnings/lockouts for no reason whatsoever.

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I've never said anything of the sort. In fact, I've openly stated that I believe a vast majority (read: 90%+) of the Simu staff are honest, straight forward, hard working people.

Simutronics is a company as any other. If they banned all customers, there wouldn't be any revenue - and thus, self-defeating.

Even if you believe that 100% of the staff is all great and good - there is always room for improvement.

However, the minority percentage of staff that is OOC (out of control) is an issue. The "you are guilty until proven innocent" approach that they seem to have adopted, is worth discussing.

After the minority makes a totally bogus decision, the other majority that are straight forward are hesitant to usurp that person's authority. So, in a lot of cases, the bogus decision stands.

Allowing the small minority to steam roll over the other good persons is more wrong than discussing the issues.

The issues ARE worth discussing. The personal attacks are not needed, and only demonstrate a weak person's inability to adequately defend their position.

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Originally posted by Magister:
I've never said anything of the sort. In fact, I've openly stated that I believe a vast majority (read: 90%+) of the Simu staff are honest, straight forward, hard working people.

Simutronics is a company as any other. If they banned all customers, there wouldn't be any revenue - and thus, self-defeating.

Even if you believe that 100% of the staff is all great and good - there is always room for improvement.

However, the minority percentage of staff that is OOC (out of control) is an issue. The [b]"you are guilty until proven innocent" approach that they seem to have adopted, is worth discussing.

After the minority makes a totally bogus decision, the other majority that are straight forward are hesitant to usurp that person's authority. So, in a lot of cases, the bogus decision stands.

Allowing the small minority to steam roll over the other good persons is more wrong than discussing the issues.

The issues ARE worth discussing. The personal attacks are not needed, and only demonstrate a weak person's inability to adequately defend their position.

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Now why can't you post like that NoOneImportant?

Very agreeable post.
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- Lord Kranar, human Archwizard reg

Hortinger was Aephir aka Arathorn (The Elf Ranger)...

Forgive me for that...

As for Orlic...I dunno...

But I'm 100% positive on Melusine/Andraste/Deavon...I have a source for that information that is w/o a doubt correct.

I know old conversions like that...

Ex.
Laranna/Twinkles
Luciana/Tailari
Kodos/Zamperon
Sagan/Sayzor
Gillaume/Ophion

I usedta know all of'm...now I forget...

Oh well!

NoOneImportant! You cracked a funny! j/k I get off your case

reg

Infact it's more than probable they are. So just take these with a grain of salt. Most GMs don't even play their PCs anymore, or hardly ever do.

- Lord Kranar, human Archwizard reg

Just a thought, thasall...

Bezerker
reg

Especially if you went to Simu, you should be able to name at least two new GMs and one GH and their former players. Even by looking at pictures.

The only problem is that once they become the GM/GH, they dont' play their characters, so what does it really matter?

Another thing you'll notice is the players that do become GH's that were't very good or popular players, suddenly lose all thought of their player and want to be known as THE GREAT GH. Losers.

reg

Why don't you report these corrupt GMs?

Obviously Aldrek is proof that they WILL get fired if they're caught giving players/hosts/whoever items that they shouldn't be giving them. reg

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Originally posted by Howard:
I got to agree with Kranar, you all are just guessing and arguing over who is who. I have seen NO facts posted.

Especially if you went to Simu, you should be able to name at least two new GMs and one GH and their former players. Even by looking at pictures.

The only problem is that once they become the GM/GH, they dont' play their characters, so what does it really matter?

Another thing you'll notice is the players that do become GH's that were't very good or popular players, suddenly lose all thought of their player and want to be known as THE GREAT GH. Losers.

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Sorry...

The names that I pointed out are not corrupt...those are people that have been around for a while and I've known were those PC's...

And Yes Kranar...although I've never known you too well...check my credentials with Edge...he knows I know what I'm talking about...

Sorry I never got to know you very well...but I've seen you making posts here and on the officials...never really took the time to read any of your posts b/c they were mostly just rambling about how well armor use works for wizards, etc. etc. But you actually have a pretty open mind in certain areas...

Just check my credentials with Edge when you get a chance...

Heh...check those...or check the old anti-GSIII website conversions that I did...or perhaps the TaRtCuTtEr story about Irathra/Dissipate/Drafin/Edward,etc...

Err oops...maybe I'll be sued or banned now! <flail>

reg

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Originally posted by Howard:
I got to agree with Kranar, you all are just guessing and arguing over who is who. I have seen NO facts posted.

Especially if you went to Simu, you should be able to name at least two new GMs and one GH and their former players. Even by looking at pictures.

The only problem is that once they become the GM/GH, they dont' play their characters, so what does it really matter?

Another thing you'll notice is the players that do become GH's that were't very good or popular players, suddenly lose all thought of their player and want to be known as THE GREAT GH. Losers.

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One more thing...
READ THE THREAD YOU POST IN

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Originally posted by NoOneImportant:
Instead of complaining about it...

Why don't you report these corrupt GMs?

Obviously Aldrek is proof that they WILL get fired if they're caught giving players/hosts/whoever items that they shouldn't be giving them.

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Unless you are a kamikaze and don't care if you get taken out with them - Payback.

While they are being investigated for their wrong doings - they can make your character's life a living hell (directly, or indirectly).

It would be VERY easy as a GM to set someone up, and argue a particular character's situation under the least favorable light from that character's perspective.

Personally, I prefer to only pick fights that I have a chance of winning (without commiting suicide to do it), and just avoid the bad eggs altogether if at all possible.

reg

You obviously don't want them doing the things they do... but you don't want to do anything to stop it?

<shrug> If you have proof of a GM doing something wrong, send it to their boss. Or Melissa. Or someone. If you don't, then you really have NO reason to complain when nothing is done about these supposed "corrupt" GMs.

And if you're worried about them picking on you before they get fired... send the stuff anonymously.

[This message has been edited by NoOneImportant (edited 07-31-2001).] reg

THE THREAD I POSTED IN.

You still have no idea what your talking about with names to GM's and GH's. Give us some CURRENT news?

Your 'all the people i know are gone/old' is really boring. reg

Noone, once someone has done that and STILL receives no response, then what?

I have witnessed blatant favoritism, rude and unprofessional behavior, and "Guilty No Matter What" attitudes by GMs. Respectful and concise posts regarding my concerns were pulled with no explanation. I was told to address my concerns to Feedback, Feedback responded by saying "Don't write here". Letters to GMs, Melissa, and others go unanswered.

I admit there are disruptive players that deserve their punishment. Why can't you admit there are "respectable" players that DON'T deserve the severity of their punishment?

By the way, I sign my posts by my character's name that I have played for almost 5 years. I have nothing to hide, can you state the same?

Gandmor reg

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Originally posted by NoOneImportant:
So basically you just want to complain about corrupt GMs?

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Hardly. I just like to stay apprised of who they are so I can avoid dealing with them.

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Originally posted by NoOneImportant:
You obviously don't want them doing the things they do... but you don't want to do anything to stop it?

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I come to Gemstone to enjoy myself. Not to be a detective or work my behind off building a case to prosecute a GM thats corrupt.

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Originally posted by NoOneImportant:
<shrug> If you have proof of a GM doing something wrong, send it to their boss. Or Melissa. Or someone. If you don't, then you really have NO reason to complain when nothing is done about these supposed "corrupt" GMs.

And if you're worried about them picking on you before they get fired... send the stuff anonymously.

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If you were a GM, you'd have to be an absolute moron to not be able to figure out who dropped you in to your boss.

Dear Melissa,
GM so-and-so gave the uber sword of death to so-and-so today at so-and-so's house. I was there, along with 2 other people.

Yeah, the GM will never be able to figure out who to stick it to. Right. reg

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Originally posted by Howard:
I was reading and responding to 'Who are the GMs\Sages\GHs ingame characters?'

THE THREAD I POSTED IN.

You still have no idea what your talking about with names to GM's and GH's. Give us some CURRENT news?

Your 'all the people i know are gone/old' is really boring.

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Hmm...didn't actually copy my post...

I actually posted new one's...do I need to direct you to them Howie?

[This message has been edited by JustLilOlMe (edited 07-31-2001).] reg

And to answer that one question.. NO, I have never seen/heard of anyone getting a lockout who didn't deserve it. Many of my friends have gotten locked out before and I felt every one of them deserved it. You can call me a GM rear end kisser all you want, I don't care.

My thoughts are this.. if you want to come here and have fun, GREAT. Just play by the rules and we'll all have a good time. Just be prepared to face the consequences of your actions if you decide to turn around and act moronic and then get locked out. reg

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Originally posted by NoOneImportant:
Instead of complaining about it...

Why don't you report these corrupt GMs?

Obviously Aldrek is proof that they WILL get fired if they're caught giving players/hosts/whoever items that they shouldn't be giving them.

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Peronally I have written 2x to Mellisa about GM abuse of power. These were also very repsectful letters and correspondences. I asked her:

A) What kind of proof would she need (i had it on hand but I know that files can be doctored so i didnt bother sending them)

B) I offered to give her names of the persons involved, Items involved as well as date and time.

C) I also wanted to know how to file a complaint against a certain GM who was extremely rude to me in a situation that did not warrant that kind of treatment. (Later i called simu and loged the complaint on the phone)

On the official boards GM Melissa asks us to write her if we notice any of this type of behavior or any kind of Gm abuse. But the bottom line is she won't answer you when you do.

Also does anyone know if Gms have to keep their consultations loged also? I believe that all consultations or GM interactions should be filed and loged officially.

So for Nooneinportant, there are people who try to do something about the Corruption. But on the most part we are universally ignored. In fact I think this message board and posting on it *is* doing something about it. I dont see what is being said here as complaining but actually education and awareness.

As for this thread... well I dont know if its right or not announcing who Gm characters are like this but who am I to judge? I myself have figured out a few of them also. One way to test if your right or not though.. steal from the character that you suspect.. if you get slammed a few moments later then your on the right track. Also keep your eyes open when people get pulled up by a certain GM. There always tends to be the same people hanging arround at that time.

Vicdotcom
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How hard is it to hit reply. Then just say. I got your email, thanks!

But, you got your head so far up the Staff arse. You can't see to read. I am still trying to figure out where you begin and they end...Geez. Have a original thought please.

I also think NoOneImportant is Siara. Since Siara started a GM outing thread trying to get us in trouble here on these boards.

If we are doing something wrong. Mr. Whatley will say something to Kranar or Buckwheat, since they are in contact with each other.

edge reg

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Originally posted by edge:

I also think NoOneImportant is Siara. Since Siara started a GM outing thread trying to get us in trouble here on these boards.

If we are doing something wrong. Mr. Whatley will say something to Kranar or Buckwheat, since they are in contact with each other.

edge

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Personally I don't think anyone here can get in trouble for anything we say here. Nothing we say here is slanderous or abusive just stories, opinions and criticisms. And believe it or not if they try to get us in trouble because of what we post here it will only sending people a stronger message confirming everything we mention here about certain (note not I did not say all) Simu staff. But if someone is worried about that they can always post under an alias, like the simu staff does.

Also I don't think nooneinportant is even a simutronics staff member. And if she is I would actually be glad. I think it would be productive for other GS staff members to read these BBS to see how many others really feel about what's going on and realize how staff can't really get away with as much as they think they can. So if you are a staff member. Thank you

What everyone should understand is that message boards like these would not even exist if there weren't cases of abuse and and unfair treatment. That on top of the censorship that occurs on a regular bases on other forums only lead up to this. Some may say that its only a few disgruntled people who post here. I believe though that it is more than that. I believe that this BBS is getting more popular all the time as cases of unfair treatment and abuse increase.

Nooneimportant may consider everyone here a bunch of whiners and complainers. But really, everything that is discussed here is just a symptom of a much larger issue if you spend the time to analyze it.

And yes I do think that every complaint sent in about GM abuse is practically ignored. As Edge said it wouldn't be hard to hit a reply button to just confirm that she recieved it. Even people who get their posts deleted get some kind of form letter. That is another sympton reason why boards like this exist. reg

I'm not whoever you say I am. And, I've got the balls to sign my character name to any thing I post and/or privately write to anyone -- which as a FEMALE - is more than I can say for most of you.

Siara
sorry to disappoint, but I'd never pick the Nome de Plume of NoOneImportant

[This message has been edited by Siara (edited 08-01-2001).] reg

There, happy now?

Roberta (I have a log!) reg

Buckwheet

Who now knows where (s)he stands.

PS. Welcome back Siara. Glad to have you.

[This message has been edited by Buckwheet (edited 08-01-2001).] reg

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Originally posted by NoOneImportant:
Ok, so you just want to whine and complain about all the crooked GMs and how nothing is being done. <shrug> Not my fault if you don't want to do anything to stop it.

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Just because someone doesn't want to commit suicide with their character (and do someone elses job to boot) to take down a corrupt GM, you equate that to doing nothing.

There are many forms of protest to bring attention to an issue. Thats why you see things like picket signs, signature petitions, million man march, etc.

On the flip side, you also see vigilantes, and lynch mobs.

I view discussing the issue in a forum such as this, a protest that brings attention to an issue.

Ironically enough though, I see little difference between your coarse remarks, and those fanatics on the other side that you are arguing with. Just insert "NOT" in your posts - and they carry about the same merit. Instead of the fanatics saying "There is corruption in Simutronics" - you say "There is NOT corruption in Simutronics", etc.

Persons that resort to "Yes, you are", "No, I'm not" as the basis for their position lose merit in my eyes.

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Originally posted by NoOneImportant:
And to answer that one question.. NO, I have never seen/heard of anyone getting a lockout who didn't deserve it. Many of my friends have gotten locked out before and I felt every one of them deserved it.

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I assume you are speaking from your own personal experiences and you are certainly entitled to your opinion.

However, I am also entitled to mine. It took me 5 years to see my first significant bogus decision with regard to Malok & the Hearthstone Bard Gem bug.

Malok got a totally raw deal. And since that time, I've seen other events using the "guilty until proven innocent" approach - and that is of great concern to me.

For me personally regarding the Scintillion issue - my concern stems from, if Simutronics intentionally misled Scintillion into creating an apology website, what is to preclude them from intentionally misleading me in a particular situation later on down the road?

And either Scintillion is the scumbag that you think he is - and he cut a deal to get back in the game, or Scintillion is not as much of a scumbag as you think he is, and he was truly apologizing for his actions.

Either Scintillion repented, or he was misled by Simutronics.

You can't be a little bit pregnant. You either are, or you aren't. And you can't be a little bit of a liar.

So, is Scintillion the scumbag that cut a deal and was misled by Simutronics?
or is he someone that was truly sincere and repented?

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Originally posted by NoOneImportant:
My thoughts are this.. if you want to come here and have fun, GREAT. Just play by the rules and we'll all have a good time. Just be prepared to face the consequences of your actions if you decide to turn around and act moronic and then get locked out.

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This is how it should be. And in a vast majority of cases - it is.

However, mistakes happen - and discussing those issues in a rational, and uninsulting fashion should be able to occur.

Hopefully, constructive remarks regarding particular situations can be utilized by Simutronics to improve the game for everyone.

reg

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Originally posted by Desharei:
Actually, Siara is GM Ursus. I'm that pig Andraste that everyone loves to hate. Kelood is Romulus, Buckwheet is (surprise!) SimuMelissa.

There, happy now?

Roberta (I have a log!)

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Who are you? NoOneImportant's girlfriend? Quit giving Simu lapdances.
reg

'lood
continue... reg

However I think it's a bit more than Scint being a scumbag or Scint being the repenter.

If you've known Scint at all you know that the way he acts definitely merits the idea of him being a creator of the original GemstoneIIIFreaks website. He's cocky to a point that it's funny...because his cockiness is built up through lying.

(Ex. I remember him telling me (Through one of the thousand IM's I received a day from him) that he was such a 'pimp' and that @ Gemcon he had been asked by a fairly good looking girl in my opinion to go back to his room, etc. etc.)

Funny thing is...I believe it for a day...until I visited the Gemstone III Freaks website and noticed the picture of Scint raising his arms in the air with a gut that I've only seen on 2 people: my 2 grandpa's.

He's a liar...always has been...always will be.

For all of you...you mad that HasteII was changed primarily due to Scint's overuse of HasteII through use of Crazyfinger? You wanna know where all Scint's fame came from? Try Haste hunting with Crazyfinger in wasps so much that he could tell exactly when wasp nests appeared and where they would appear.

Has he ever fessed up to doing that? Nope.

Might not be good examples but I hope you can see part of my point here. Your argument is a good one...however...you just gotta know that Scint's a pretty bad liar...always has been always will be.
reg

If there's not a downside - it doesn't take a lot of courage.

edge

P.S. exactly what charm school did you go to learn language like that?

Real Lady like. reg

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Originally posted by JustLilOlMe:
...I think it's a bit more than Scint being a scumbag or Scint being the repenter.

He's a liar...always has been...always will be.

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For me personally, I don't really care if Scintillion is Satan himself.

Simutronics knew what they were dealing with when/if they made a deal with him.

Regardless of how much of a liar/scumbag he is, Simutronics should honor its commitment (if any).

reg

I also don't believe him writing an insincere apology site (then telling all his buddies that he didn't mean it and he only wrote it to get back in the game) is a condition to be allowed back. They could have told him that he might be allowed back if he made a sincere effort to apologize, but I don't think they specifically said "go make a website apologizing to everyone and we'll let you back in."

The key word there is sincere. He made it quite obvious that the apology was not his idea and he wrote it only because he thought it would get him back in the game. Sorry, in my opinion that's not good enough. reg

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Originally posted by NoOneImportant:
I prefer to remain anonymous for several reasons. Most important being that I dislike being harrassed and if I posted my name here, I would be harrassed for it. It's happened before and I learn from my mistakes.

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You mean you know what you say is annoying?

:laugh:

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Originally posted by GS3Aura:
You mean you know what you say is annoying?

:laugh:

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<<I prefer to remain anonymous for several reasons. Most important being that I dislike being harrassed and if I posted my name here, I would be harrassed for it. It's happened before and I learn from my mistakes.>>

No no no!

Remember...we don't care who you are...hell you can't be all that important can you?

NoOneImportant...I doubt you are anyone important...

Please excuse the pun-like phrases.

reg

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Originally posted by Magister:
For me personally, I don't really care if Scintillion is Satan himself.

Simutronics knew what they were dealing with when/if they made a deal with him.

Regardless of how much of a liar/scumbag he is, Simutronics should honor its commitment (if any).

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Okay....I just gotta ask after reading all this....

Who said Scintillon made a deal with Simu? Scint did? Uh....there's a good source of information.

Someone else said Simu did? Who then and where did they get their information?

Seems to me like the whole thing is bogus and that there was no deal...after all this way....Scint either gets back in cause he apologizes or he doesn't get back in but gets to slam Simu for not holding up their deal...so he can look good either way....

Snook reg

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Originally posted by Snooky:

Seems to me like the whole thing is bogus and that there was no deal...after all this way....Scint either gets back in cause he apologizes or he doesn't get back in but gets to slam Simu for not holding up their deal...so he can look good either way....

Snook

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I can't say that I haven't thought of that myself. In fact it is quite devious. The problem is that most of us that read these boards don't know Scint personaly and what he is capable of. Because of this most who dont know him personaly would probably rather believe that Simu has backed out of their "deal".

I don't know Scint personaly so I can not comment on if this is what he is trying to accomplish. All that I know is that if I were in his case what else would I have to loose?
reg

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Originally posted by Snooky:
Okay....I just gotta ask after reading all this....

Who said Scintillon made a deal with Simu?

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Actually, Kranar did in another thread. He's talked to David Whatley, so I assume that he's a reasonably reliable source.
reg

Fool me once, shame on me. Fool me twice...

I'm betting there was no "deal." reg

She thinks she knows it ALL.

[This message has been edited by LordKranar (edited 08-02-2001).] reg

Must make for a great big mystery, but I think Bardon brought up a better one.

Who's this Simu guy?

- Lord Kranar, human Archwizard reg

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Originally posted by GS3 JRT:
Kranar said that Scintillion was sending him logs of some ingame meeting. This was of course before Kranar realized Scintillion did in fact lie to him.

I'm betting there was no "deal."

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I'd bet otherwise.

For Scintillion to come clean about the website, and to write an apology making himself look like a fool - he had to believe that he was going to get something out of it.

My 2 cents.

reg

A nice big pity party.

reg

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Originally posted by Desharei:
Magister, there is something he could have thought to get out of it.

A nice big pity party.

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I think he would have gotten more sympathy by sticking to the "I didn't write the website, and Simu is banning me for it anyway" story.

It doesn't make a great deal of sense to me that he'd go to the effort of writing an apology and putting it up on a website - and at the same time, alienate all of his friends by making them look foolish, merely to change his sympathy story.

He would have gotten a lot more sympathy by sticking to his first version of events. Thus, leading me to believe that he believed there was some sort of deal.

Simutronics knows if they cut a deal, or led Scintillion into believing that they'd work a deal. If they did, they should honor their commitment.

This sets a tone of integrity on their behalf.

(And ensures that if I'm ever in a position of talking to Simutronics, I don't have to wonder if they'll "pull a Scintillion" on me.) reg

"Scint did have a meeting with David and Eric. They said if he apologized publically, that they'd let Scint back in, but then there was that large uproar on the 'Topic of the Day' and David changed his mind because he was going to lose alot of accounts and get slack if they let him back. Also, they didn't find his apology was truthful."

As for NOI, I was just getting tired of everytime I read a post it says "I'm not telling who I am because you all harass me". reg

I guarantee you David Whatley didn't discuss the details of the Scintillion issue with Kranar.

Also, Scintillion DID have a meeting with David and other Simu people from what I hear. But I bet you they did NOT tell him to write a BS apology and post it on a website, then go tell all his friends that he didn't mean it and only wrote it to get back in the game. That kind of defeats the purpose of writing the apology, right?

If Scintillion made a sincere effort to apologize to those he hurt and actually meant it, he would probably be back in the game right now. Just the opinion of NoOneImportant.
reg

At least you recognize that reg

I just enjoy playing devil's advocate. reg

Don't come here and cry foul. Specially since your not important, I won't miss ya either way.

Buckwheet reg

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Originally posted by NoOneImportant:
"Actually, Kranar did in another thread. He's talked to David Whatley, so I assume that he's a reasonably reliable source."

I guarantee you David Whatley didn't discuss the details of the Scintillion issue with Kranar.

Also, Scintillion DID have a meeting with David and other Simu people from what I hear. But I bet you they did NOT tell him to write a BS apology and post it on a website, then go tell all his friends that he didn't mean it and only wrote it to get back in the game. That kind of defeats the purpose of writing the apology, right?

If Scintillion made a sincere effort to apologize to those he hurt and actually meant it, he would probably be back in the game right now. Just the opinion of NoOneImportant.

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Is it me but Noneimportant needs to read the definitions of guarentee and the concept of what he/she/it can verify as the truth or not.

Simply put if NOI is not David Whatley then he/she/it can't say diddly of the validity of any claim. And the same thing goes for this meeting that happened.

Having opinions is one thing, but stating them as facts is another.

I know one thing for sure I don't know and I wasn't there. Not an opinion.

reg

I do know that Scintillion will never be returning to GS, unless some miracle happens like someone buys out Simutronics or something.

- Lord Kranar, human Archwizard

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Doubt it. reg

If it's an opinion, I try to clearly state that as well. reg

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Originally posted by NoOneImportant:
By the way, when I state something as fact, it is fact.

If it's an opinion, I try to clearly state that as well.

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Now is the a fact or an opinion of yours. And if you say fact, your positive everythign you say is true?

Isn't this exactly what you did to all the people who post about their lockout story etc? "How do we know its true?" and then you turn around and say EVERYTHING I say is true, is true. Sounds like a load of good old fashioned hyprocisy to me.

Ryan reg

I didn't say you had to believe me. Just as I don't have to believe any of you.

I'm just saying if I state something as fact, it is a fact and I can usually back it up with proof.

If I state something as an opinion, it's just that.

How you choose to take what I say is up to you. No skin off my back if you don't believe what I say. reg

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Originally posted by NoOneImportant:

I didn't say you had to believe me. Just as I don't have to believe any of you.

I'm just saying if I state something as fact, it is a fact and I can usually back it up with proof.

If I state something as an opinion, it's just that.

How you choose to take what I say is up to you. No skin off my back if you don't believe what I say.

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Why post then? reg

Why does anyone post? To get across the facts and opinions of the author. It seems pretty obvious to me. reg

I'm just saying if I state something as fact, it is a fact and I can usually back it up with proof.
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Why don't you start showing us all this proof? reg

I tend to think that personal feelings and looking at customers as quilty till proven otherwise are the norm for many situations.

SIMU has also has this habit of not being able to say "I'm sorry, we were wrong". Their whole approach to Customer relations is quite odd to say the least.

As far as blowing out staff's characters goes, I don't see a real useful purpose in that. Btw..Eric's not Sagan just for the record, incase you need a non-SIMU Andy reply to that.

Jim/Celtar reg

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Originally posted by NoOneImportant:
What do you want proof of?

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How about proof that you know what you're talking about?

Your statements and assertions are loaded with logical inconsistencies.
reg

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Originally posted by GS3Aura:
Is it me but Noneimportant needs to read the definitions of guarentee and the concept of what he/she/it can verify as the truth or not.

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It is just you, and from conversations with NOI, he/she/it can verify this at least as the truth (or not). Doing so might out them, which a name like NOI implies isn't something they wish to have happen.

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Simply put if NOI is not David Whatley then he/she/it can't say diddly of the validity of any claim. And the same thing goes for this meeting that happened.

Having opinions is one thing, but stating them as facts is another.

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Considering who it's coming from, I'm rather inclined to believe what NOI says is a fact, really is a fact. Of course, you don't have to believe me, NOI, any other player who doesn't agree with the majority anti-Simu feelings here, the GMs or Mr. Whatley himself. Because you know what? It could all still be a gigantic scheme, a part of Eviltronic's great plan to take over the world.

Based on the number of times, both here and on the official boards that I've heard people screaming about how unfair Simu is and how mistreated they are, only to have the truth come out as something totally different, I'm inclined to view Simu-bashing with a bit of mistrust.

I've also noticed statements by GMs that don't seem to match up to what's going on, so I take a good look at what they say as well. Overall, what they say does tend to agree with what I see as the truth more often. MUCH more often.

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