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SEND[Kennesaw] I think that's the last time you kill anyone, period.

He said it. He's a gm. wooooooooo. So it's automatically law. I assisted, and they said it's official policy that I can't kill anyone. I'm advised to never be in any conflict. And to never cast offensive spells on other players, even sleep, hand of tonis, leach.. Ect.

Well I don't know if I can handle this much more. If I do kill someone, I'm gone. This sucks.

Today, I was sitting at teras by the statue. I noticed that all my silver disappeared. So I said '' I hope whoever stole all 212 silvers is enjoying themself'' and Xanitar, the idiot that stole from me, confirmed that it was him. I hate thieves. If it wasn't for the damn policy, I would have blown him out of the water, but since I can't use physical action, I started arguing with him. Then he hides, and legs me. I would have died if the empath there didn't heal me.

What did I do? Nothing. I can't do anything. And I can't handle it much longer. This child was making fun of me because I have 2 characters, stole from me, legged me, and taunted me to kill him. Why is it that whatever GM's say goes? I e-mailed feedback and they said it's law because he's a real important person and said it out of no where. Well I'm asking any GM or player that reads these boards on some advice. Because despite the fact that the GM's have told me to play the role of a coward, that's exactly the opposite of what I'm trying to role-play with my character. And they also told me to stay out of conflict.. Well that's impossible. Conflict came right to my front door today, and I was so pissed off that I actually left the room so I didn't slip up and rapid fire 910 this guy and get auto-banned. That's why I support the idea of the sliding scale for punishment.

Well anyway, I'd like to hear some opinions on this. I don't see how it's fair that everyone else in the game in that situation would have perfect legal right to take pvp action in that situation, except me. And I'm not the only one who has dumb policy laws like this, I know some people who aren't aloud to kill people also.. Some can't use meteor swarm anymore.. Some are told to stay away from many areas of the game even. <Shrug>

~ Extremely frustrated player of Ice and Drake ~ reg

Is it fair what Kennesaw did? Most likely.

What should you do? I'd say lay off a bit. Be a good boy, and don't engage in PvP activities, in fact, don't get in trouble at all. After a year or so, the GM's will see you've improved, and will most likely not care if you engage in CvC.

Grhim's player,

Chris reg

Chris

Chris, no matter what Ice/Drake or whoever he is did, the simple fact is this, the game has a grey area that totally sucks.

IMHO if someone comes out of the blue and slaps me, smacks me, steals from me and taunts me over it, well, that person needs to be shown that disrespect of anyone, let alone myself, is just cause to retaliate.

They always say that they will handle situations and fix things, but let me explain to you how they dont always do such.

This absolute moron Zentalin for example. I cannot express how much of an idiot this guy is, but lets progress with the story....

I was asked to raise a dead person at Varunar, so I did. I kneel, put away my gear, bless the corpse, do my little ceremony, and then I raise the corpse.

in the half second between when I prepped and cast at the corpse, a person who had just recently walked in says, "if you raise that body I'll kill you". well, folks, I mean, I had already HIT enter when i read what he said.

Needless to say, this twit then murdered me, and he thought he was in the right, I had "stolen" a body that he walked from town for. Dear lords, then get this, the MORON raises me and then proceeds to tell me to stay away from places that are too young for me to be in.

The whole time that I reported this instance and its goings ons, I was in a [send] war with a gm. I was being told that their hands were tied, and that there was nothing they could do.

Another time with Andraste, whom I like a great deal, i was accused of instigating a fight, which I didnt, and then i was murdered. Andraste told me after I assisted to stop instigating fights with this person, Um, I DIDNT. He was rude, nasty, cocky, bossy, told me to go somewhere he wasnt and to basically obey his whims. I told him to mind his own business, my character died. He even had his fine paid off by one of his little cronies.

Eventually he DID get locked out for repeatedly hounding and harrassing and murdering people. it truly SUCKS that they didnt yank this jerk out for almost a year. I mean, how many people does it take to be upset before the Gms wake up and smell the coffee?

-Morandas reg

I've been dealing with a lovely snert by the name of Kharhazz lately, my situation started with him when I was in Varuner, in spectral monks. Wizards around this area drain the spectral monks of their mana. Our friend likes to drain the monks, but then leave others to clean up his garbage. So basically instead of getting mana you waste it.

I asked him to clean up his mess, to which he responded, "grhim do you want me to lay the smack down?" I rolled my eyes at him, and he killed me. He's killed me three times since then, out of the blue, and there is nothing I can do about it.

These are the sort of people that make me look at what Kennesaw did, and think this game still has hope. A permanent ban on violence, no exceptions is a brilliant idea. And frankly, there are people who just don't deserve to play. But if they must be here, and live in the grey areas of policy, then force them to live in the white, or leave.

Grhim's player,

Chris reg

As far as the PvP "grey area" there is NO way to make it black and white. There are too many people who try to cheat the rules, then report/assist when things don't go their way.

Example: JoeBob starts attacking you for no apparent reason. You, not being the type who likes to report, kill him. He then does a report saying YOU killed him for NO REASON! Now, the GMs didn't witness the situation because you didn't report at the start and he reported at the end saying you killed him. All they see is him dead by your hand. So what are they supposed to do? It's your word against his.

Example 2:You're a thief. You steal from JoeBob who catches you. He kills you, you consider the situation over. Next day he kills you again. You're pissed off, so you get spelled up and go kill him. He reports. All the GMs see, again, is him dead by your hand. Your story against his. What are they supposed to do?

Why do you think their hands are always tied? There's NO black and white, yes or no way to handle these sort of situations. Whenever it is one player's word against another, it's grey area.

Yeah, maybe you are in the right. But how are they supposed to know what REALLY happened when all they see is the end result, which doesn't exactly look favorably upon you?

reg

Some know Dionket, some don't. In all the years I've interacted with Dionket, he has been directly involved in PvP - once. He's been cajoled, provoked, nudged, threatened, and had instigators nag and harrass him on no few occasions; just to see if people could get a rise out of him. Throughout, he was a pillar of strength, proving (in character!) his superiority over any and every situation that came up.

People who antagonized him would usually give up, realizing that they were very small people with no real understanding of power. In fact, most who I observed would eventually learn to respect Dionket's quiet calm demeanor and yield to this subtle power.

I don't know if he still plays, since I don't play anymore myself. But I wanted to give that as an example of what someone who wants to RP a powerful person *could* do. Maybe it's a Zen thing. But if I had to compare Dionket's *behavior* (not necessarily his character's whole personality) to someone in real life, I'd compare it to Ghandi. This is only in reference to threats by other people of course. His character was a very powerful wizard (at least when I was playing), and could kick the crap out of just about anyone who bothered him if he wanted to.

But he just plain didn't want to get into it so he would refuse. He wouldn't run away, he wouldn't cry foul, he wouldn't send a GM after the twit. He would just sit there and smile gently (that was his "schtik" - smiling gently at people), and eventually the twerp would give up and find someone else to bother.

You don't have to get into an arguement with anyone, ever, for any reason. HOW you react to conflict is entirely in your own hands. The moment you enter the conflict, you are giving permission for the conflict to exist. And at that very moment, you are telling the GMs that all bets are off.

Roberta
reg

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Originally posted by Icedragon:
Well I don't know if I can handle this much more. If I do kill someone, I'm gone. This sucks.

Well anyway, I'd like to hear some opinions on this.

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Wonderful! It's about time they started cracking down on this. You killed one of my characters recently, then got into a snit when I confronted you. This is shortly before you started posting about how mean the GMs are.

My character had not interacted with yours at all, and he still died by your spells. That's usually called 'PvP', and I'm glad they're enforcing it. reg

One day back when me and Angellisa was close. He talked a whole bunch of trash about me. How he was going to remove my face with his blade. Back when he was hasting the village on Teras.

Well. What did I do? I made a Screen name that said...TakeThatBit@@. I then go inviso and go looking for him in the village...hehe. I find him tearing up a wasps nest. I meteor storm all the rooms around him. So they both bite the dust!

I then IM him and say. Now who is getting f'd with? He is like what the hell? What did I do? He didn't know who was messing with him.

Then he is resting at the North gate. I walk in as Edgeleaf with a Rogue stalking him. Log off Edgeleaf and sat there and rob him blind. Then logged off the rogue. Then logged back on Edgeleaf and go inviso.

He was freaking out. I was also locating with someone else so I could go rob him over and over. Then all of the sudden. Andraste gives me a send saying that is harassment. Locating over and over.

So, I IM him and say. I can't believe you actually reported...

Then I finally told him who I was and became friends for a while....

So, you can do stuff to get back at people. There are ways. But, you gotta be careful though. The people that start most of the stuff are usually setting you up for a report.

You need to learn how to make the system work for you.

Go to Xanitars area and quake all the time. Oops. He fell and got killed. Tons of things you can do without going off the hinge and just killing him.

But nowadays I have calmed down a ton. I just stay to myself in the rift. Actually made good with a ton of old enemies.

edge reg

Purely my advice. Take it or leave it. reg

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I don't see how it's fair that everyone else in the game in that situation would have perfect legal right to take pvp action in that situation, except me. And I'm not the only one who has dumb policy laws like this, I know some people who aren't aloud to kill people also.. Some can't use meteor swarm anymore.. Some are told to stay away from many areas of the game even. <Shrug>

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Well, let's see. One of two questions needs to be answered to be the basis of my opinion.

1) Did you kill regularly before or were you noted for PvP actions or deeds? Have you had several warnings?

If so, I'd say you made your bed and now it's time to lie in it.

Or...

2) Did this come, basically, out of the blue?

If so, well then, yeah, sucks to be you.

Pockets reg

'lood
been outa the grey area for almost a year... reg

Admitted mechanics abuse.

Admitted harassmant.

::counts the days:: reg

>My character had not interacted with yours at all, and he still died by your spells. That's usually called 'PvP', and I'm glad they're enforcing it.

Funny. I havn't killed anyone in over a month. But of course, since you said I recently killed one of your characters, it must be true. This is one of the reason's I dislike people who don't have enough courage to even post their characters names.

But anyway, I'm appreciating all the opinions, storys, and advice you all are posting. Thanks =0)

Player of Icedragon and Drakedragon

reg

You can still type POLICY to read it on screen. And if you aren't in a Consultation Lounge, the pages aren't timed.

--A. reg

I like to leave the petty posts. Just shows your true character.

edge

reg

Didn't you just post in the Events and Invasions folder a log of how you cast cone of lightning in the kobold village recently and killed someone else along with yourself? Not to mention stunned other people in the room.

You may have not meant to do this, but its pretty obvious its a possibility knowing the way cone of lightning works. I'm sure my opinion matters not, but I don't have any sympathy for you being attacked when you use a spell such as cone of lightning and end up getting others killed. I bet it wasn't the first time either.

Regardless, its probably not a good idea to be coning during invasions anymore since, more than likely, you will be initiating PvP.

Leslie reg

Player of Ice/Drake reg

Why doesn't it count? If you cast cone and got my character stunned, theres a very good chance you'll die. :P I'd consider that consentual PvP because you know that there's a chance you'll get someone else killed by coning in an invasion anyway(or in the kobold situation).

Casting call wind is not comparable to this. Sure, you could call wind, knocking someone over and stunning then a pyrothag could kill them -- But with cone its YOUR spell that kills them directly. In both cases your spell places other characters in peril -- All though with cone of lightning you directly kill them with YOUR bolts. :/

Of course, I'd not do either thing now in the situation you are in. Casting area spells, which only piss people off if you injure, stun or knock them down in some way. Is a good way to get your character killed. And you are the one hanging by a thread now. But, by all means, if you plan on casting cone and other area spells in situations you shouldn't -- Get a lot of deeds and get used to not being able to retaliate.

<<You mean Xanitar legging me? That had nothing to do with the cone in a completly different town.>>

Well, my post was a response to your initial post and I explained why I don't have any sympathy for your situation. If you don't have the common sense to not cone in an invasion (or around creatures who you know might reflect the cone), not to kill so many people that you CANNOT kill anymore, then my arguement fits just fine. I thought that was crystal clear.

<<Make your posts more clear, because it didn't make much sense.>>

You mean as clear as GS policy when it comes to PvP? Funny, two of my characters have killed a good number of characters over the years I've played. I've never had a warning for anything. Hmmm. I must know something you don't.

Leslie reg

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Originally posted by Icedragon:
That dosn't count. That's like saying, because somone walked into my room while i was call winding, they got knocked over, and a pyrothag smashed this persons dome in, i murdered this person. No, that's not how it works. And as for not having no sympathy for me being attacked... what does that have to do with anything? When was I attacked? You mean Xanitar legging me? That had nothing to do with the cone in a completly different town. Make your posts more clear, because it didn't make much sense. Now lets try to get back on topic.

Player of Ice/Drake

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<laugh> Of course it counts. You are using a spell that you KNOW stands a good chance of hurting someone else. Like I said, if you've had a history of these incidents and many warnings...you've made your bed now stop whining and lie in it. Cover up.

Pockets

reg

Icedragons on teras

theres a slim chance xanitar was in that cone and even a slimmer that he came to teras and wasted 50k to kill icedraggon most reasonable assumption was xanitar was on teras throughout

[This message has been edited by Rusval (edited 08-16-2001).] reg

Rusval reg

Because at the time that the spell was cast, It was intended only to hit the pyrothag, if you just walked in while I typed CAST and pressed ENTER, I had no intention of killing you.

>If you cast cone and got my character stunned, theres a very good chance you'll die. :P

lol.

>Casting area spells, which only piss people off if you injure, stun or knock them down in some way. Is a good way to get your character killed......

Call wind does not stun people. This was changed what.. several months ago? You sure your talking about the same game?
And cone is generally not an area effect spell against people.

>You mean as clear as GS policy when it comes to PvP? Funny, two of my characters have killed a good number of characters over the years I've played. I've never had a warning for anything. Hmmm. I must know something you don't.

I've killed 100's of people. Most of them in duels.. but anyway. There's the difference. Anyone can kill a good number of people without getting any warnings.

>Well, my post was a response to your initial post and I explained why I don't have any sympathy for your situation.

Me coning in the kobold village has absolutely NOTHING to do with my original post. Are you sure you’re even in the right topic? Anyway, stay on topic. If you have a problem with the village thing, post it in that topic, not a topic that has absolutely nothing to do with it.

Player of Ice/Drake reg

Er...He posted the log here in the Invasions folder under the kobold heading.

<<Because at the time that the spell was cast, It was intended only to hit the pyrothag, if you just walked in while I typed CAST and pressed ENTER, I had no intention of killing you.>>

Perhaps not, but this really has nothing to do with the argument at hand anyway. The fact remains, you know there is a risk when casting cone on certain creatures. Despite this you chose to cast the spell anyway - Its pure selfishness and a lack of caring for other people who play the game.

<<Call wind does not stun people. This was changed what.. several months ago? You sure your talking about the same game?
And cone is generally not an area effect spell against people.>>

Yer the one who brought up call wind, not me. And if you read my post correctly, you would have noticed I was speaking of spells in general then -- Not just call wind.

Yer right, cone is generally not an area effect spell -- But everyone knows what it can do during invasions to injure other characters.

<<Me coning in the kobold village has absolutely NOTHING to do with my original post. Are you sure you’re even in the right topic? Anyway, stay on topic. If you have a problem with the village thing, post it in that topic, not a topic that has absolutely nothing to do with it.>>

Wow, you just don't get it. Okay, I'm done. Enjoy your blissful ignorance.

Leslie

reg

If he'd not killed a number of people in a manner which the GMs felt was inappropriate and not role-played or consensual then he wouldn't be in the situation he is in now.

Its called accountability.

Leslie reg

Ok.. The fact that you don't even remember what you put in your posts goes to show why I'm most likely not going to bother replying to your posts anymore. This is exactly what you said...

>Casting call wind is not comparable to this. Sure, you could call wind, knocking someone over and stunning then a pyrothag could kill them....

And once again, call wind does not knock down and stun people. It just knocks them down. It hasn't stunned for months. In fact, no CM spell, that's sole purpose is to knock opponents down, stuns people. Tremors, e-wave, call wind, quake, all do not stun people. So I have no idea what you’re talking about. And as for me being selfish for casting cone... Kobold oracles were never brought into the game until that point. How was I suppose to know they reflect cone.

If you have absolutely no idea what you’re talking about, don't post.

Anyway, Ellarze that's a good idea. Thanks. I'll think about it =0)

Player of Ice/Drake

[This message has been edited by Icedragon (edited 08-16-2001).] reg

Let me refresh your memory then.

I posted about the log you posted in the other folder. You came back with:

(That dosn't count. That's like saying, because somone walked into my room while i was call winding, they got knocked over, and a pyrothag smashed this persons dome in, i murdered this person. No, that's not how it works. And as for not having no sympathy for me being attacked... what does that have to do with anything? When was I attacked? You mean Xanitar legging me? That had nothing to do with the cone in a completly different town. Make your posts more clear, because it didn't make much sense. Now lets try to get back on topic.)

If you have anymore problems recalling what you posted -- Re-reading the thread is a good idea.

<<And as for me being selfish for casting cone... Kobold oracles were never brought into the game until that point. How was I suppose to know they reflect cone.>>

That means the player of a warrior knows more about cone of lightning then you. Thats pretty damn sad...

Leslie reg

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Originally posted by Icedragon:
>And once again, call wind does not knock down and stun people. It just knocks them down. It hasn't stunned for months. In fact, no CM spell, that's sole purpose is to knock opponents down, stuns people. Tremors, e-wave, call wind, quake, all do not stun people.

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I think this is a matter of semantics. It may not "stun" you so that your game status is "stunned" but it does put you in round time so you are unable to do anything to protect or defend yourself.

Come to the ogre forest in Ta'Illistm for an example of this. The ogres love using it on us.

~Sayrena

reg

That means the player of a warrior knows more about cone of lightning then you. Thats pretty damn sad..."

Oh i was unaware that kobold oracles have been existance throughout gemstones history. Snicker

This was an invasion creature, not all of them reflect lightning and if theres about 30 in a room raisin hell and killin young ones of course yer gonna cone ta try to prevent as much massacreing as possible.
reg

Eesh some of you look at things so one-sided. We're talking about the spell, not kobold oracles. You may not have known that oracles reflect cone of lightning, but everyone knows theres a risk of casting that spell around creatures in invasions and the like.

<<This was an invasion creature, not all of them reflect lightning and if theres about 30 in a room raisin hell and killin young ones of course yer gonna cone ta try to prevent as much massacreing as possible.>>

Oh yes, I am certain that was what was on his mind. Preventing a "massacre"... <smirks>

Leslie reg