The Players Corner Archive

A Few Comments

There is a reason for the following post, tho not all of you may fully understand what that reason is.

Dispelling Myth #1:

The Coven is a player-run group of female spellcasters.

Dispelling Myth #2:

Moonstone Abbey accepts characters of all genders, races and professions.

Dispelling Myth #3:

Moonstone Abbey is an officially recognized Great House.

The Coven is not an officially recognized Great House.

Dispelling Myth #4:

Moonstone Abbey is not the officially recognized House of a female only group of characters.

Moonstone Abbey is the ancestral home of the original Coven Sisters. (Role-playing concept many people don't seem to be able to grasp)

Dispelling Myth #5:

Moonstone Abbey was approved as a Great House at the same time as Willow Hall, Jarkata(sp?) and a few others years ago. While ALL of the others were built at the time of their approval..Moonstone Abbey was NOT built and opened until December of last year.

Favoritism? We waited longer than any other of the approved Houses - approx 4 years after receiving 'official' status for our house to be built. (yup, sounds like favoritism to me)

The Abbey and the Coven do not accept those that have no desire to role-play their part of this particular group. If anyone has not been accepted into the Abbey or the Coven, it's because of their over-all game conduct and lack of role-playing. For those that do not like this practice, go elsewhere. There are many other options within this game for you to choose.

What this all boils down to is this -- there are many of us role-players that are getting fed up with having to defend ourselves for daring to ROLE-PLAY in a ROLE-PLAYING game. This includes posting on these boards.

Not me, not any of the other Coven/Abbey folks, nor any other ROLE-PLAYER in this game likes to come to these boards only to be continually called 'suck-up-ass-kissers' from these board's very own MODERATORS.(Edge is another one that always let's us know what and who we kiss) The answer I'll be getting from quite a few of you is, "well, don't come to these boards". This is the VERY thing a group of us are now chosing to do --- BUT -- in doing so, we have now upset the board's owner.

Have I/We blown this whole thing out of proportion? Probably. But, I, and many others, grow tired of having to justify ourselves for simple things like:

Appreciating the work that goes into this game.

Recognizing and acknowledging the true meaning of the term 'Game Master.'

Role-playing in a game that advertises the fact that it's a role-playing game.

As its already been pointed out elsewhere on these boards, the true concept of 'role-play' is so distorted in GS to the point of males not being able to play female characters without having to hear the idiotic comments of 'men-in-drag' 'gay/faggot' and whatever else some of the players come up with. So much so that the game loses out on the attempts of outstanding role-players (as in Jim/Celtar) that will not even create a female character until "the level of maturity" improves. (Sorry, Jim, what goes on on these boards shows me that you should not hold your breath -- which is GSs loss)

There is also a high level of envy among several posters here. What I fail to understand is this constant cry of GM favoritism and those that continually bemoan the fact that the GMs look at and watch and pay attention to those very players that come into this game and do the very thing it's advertised for -- ROLE-PLAY.

That the Game Masters pay more attention to those players that have shown true interest in the world they have created, the quests they have worked on and in developing a character that becomes a vital part of a community - has become such a bone of contention to those of you that don't even attempt to role-play.

Most of you would rather sit back, cry 'foul' and whine about how the GMs look at and give more to a player-run group than they do the average screw-up. Here's a tip for you all -- that is just what a GM SHOULD be doing. Ignore those that don't come to role-play. Playing GS like its another shoot-em up bang-bang video game, or showing how cool your character is or abusing game mechanics and/or abusing Hosts/GMs/Sages totally negates your 'right' to complain about 'favoritism'.

Buckwheet...

Nothing I say or do here on your boards are going to make one bit of difference. This is an age old battle in GS..role-players vs the non-role-players. It's not going to be 'fixed' here and it's certainly not going to be fixed in the game. That I and my bothers and sisters have taken the stand of 'we're not going to take it anymore' and have chosen not to further participate here, should not be taken personally by you.

If you want a total free-for-all posting environment - in essence a place where people can yell 'fire!' - then you had better be prepaired for the consequences of those actions.

"Damned of you do and damned if you don't"? I don't think its that way at all. Look at it like -- the free enterprise system. You are offering a service/product here that is going to appeal to a particular clientele, you aren't going to please everyone. You have a lot of support here. You have some good hard working people helping you out, don't give up on these boards simply because one stuffy old lady doesn't have the stomach nor the patience to put up with a constant load of crap. (I do not have the tenacity of NOI - you go girl!)

reg

Originally posted by Siara.
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Not me, not any of the other Coven/Abbey folks, nor any other ROLE-PLAYER in this game likes to come to these boards only to be continually called 'suck-up-ass-kissers' from these board's very own MODERATORS.(Edge is another one that always let's us know what and who we kiss) The answer I'll be getting from quite a few of you is, "well, don't come to these boards". This is the VERY thing a group of us are now chosing to do --- BUT -- in doing so, we have now upset the board's owner.

Have I/We blown this whole thing out of proportion? Probably. But, I, and many others, grow tired of having to justify ourselves for simple things like...


Siara, please do not point your finger at a mass when it is only one or two doing it. Edge may have his issues, but he is a great guy, and I know he can control himself. *glances at Edge pleadingly*
And I do not think the majority of moderators here have been pointing at you or any other role-players and calling them suck-ups or what not. I happen to enjoy RP very much, and I don't know anyone to suck up to.

Also, I find it strange that you feel like you have to explain yourself or your methods to anyone. That is a personal choice.

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Caels Onae'Rae
AIM : Caels OnaeRae
MSN : Caels_Onaerae@hotmail.com
ICQ : 91446467 reg

What I still don't and I guess never will understand is we all know you as the Coven put up with a lot of trash talking behind your back. In fact I would consider you only second to the Dhe'nari as controversial "role-playing" groups. I have had as a player several encounters with your members and most of them have not been to my liking. I will not say however you weren't role-playing, it was just not someone I would care to ever interact with again.

Now to say I am "upset" by this is a understatement. After you tell me that what I chose to do in a case involving you was wrong you proceeded to hurl one of the most hurtful and harmful posts these boards can see. Which was to basically blast every contributor and moderator by saying these boards are trash. In fact Kelood resonded to that exact statement.

Now the problem I have is that you are willing to throw away what you give to these boards as are you sisters because of one post that "broke the camals back" and destroy any chance I had at fixing it. You say I am not doing the "right" thing, however you don't allow me the opportunity to try and make things right.

I never want to see posters leave, why? Because each and everyone of them will add to discussion and maybe once, or twice someone will actually listen to what they have to say.

To be quite honest I think "elite" roleplaying groups are making themselves prime targets for this treatment. They are constantly saying, "Your not good enough so you can't be with us." Which can only cause hard feelings from the people you turn away.

I take personal insult to some of your statements. That a GM should be looking at player run "groups" is wrong in my eyes. I belong to no such group, I never have, never will. However when I am in the game helping someone or RPing(which I believe I can do with some of the best of them.) I think that I should have the same opportunity to get a RP award or recognition just as the same group of people who always hang out do.

Sometimes I come to role-play. Sometimes I come to fight in an invasion. Sometimes I come to hunt for 12 hours non-stop. This does not mean you can draw black and white lines as to what I am. You can't classify or box me in. Many would say I am a number crunching mechanic finding non-roleplaying jerk who does nothing but ride herd on a bunch of non-roleplaying jerks. However, there are an equal number of people who say, he sits around and roleplays great. He has unique characters with unique names that must have taken him months or even years to fully develop.

I don't think many people will be saying "Don't come" if they do, thats something you just need to look past. I for one would like and enjoy having you post here. Further withdrawing from this can possibly have more negative effects on you and your group then you think. People may look at this situation and carry their opinions over into the game. Which can't be good for your or the group.

Now I am not saying I am right, or wrong. I think that I tried to do too much and should have just removed all the posts like the official boards would have and closed the topic. However I used my logic and figured it would end there. I did not expect this reaction from the Coven and its members. But I can fully understand where they are coming from.

I hate to see them leave, but that is again their choice. I just would like people to think about their posts in the future because while these boards don't rest in the hands of one person quitting or leaving. If we begin to loose a couple every day soon there will be nothing left.

All I ask is that posters have mutual respect for eachother, and if my Mods get out of hand I will deal with them in a private manner.

I will continue to take you leaving personal because you made it very clear in both letters to me and in posts here that "I" did not aide you enough.

Buckwheet reg

This is why I do not like matters that began in public to be taken privately. As I told you in my letter to you, I too have mishandled this entire situation and indeed apologized.

My attempt to let you know the reasons why we/I have taken this postion, are also not being expressed. I told you in my letter that you have indeed done everything that you could. Do not misquote me and do not give false impressions.

I have been very careful in my wording that I'm referring to a COUPLE - SOME - A FEW - of your moderators here are out of control. I have also, in my letters and here in public, made comments in SUPPORT of the OTHER moderators and YOU, yourself Buckwheet. All that is being ignored.

A group of people have been 'pushed'. Now that this same group of people are 'pushing back', you don't like it. Now we now "elitists"... hmm.. yeah we are! ::beams:: We are "giving out the wrong message about our group".. umm.. yeah ::nods nods:: And basically you are saying "I never met a Coven member that I liked". Hmmm.. then why in god's name are you taking it personally if a Coven member doesn't want to post here? ::laughs::

And you ask me why I'm giving up here. ::chuckles::

[This message has been edited by Siara (edited 08-23-2001).]

[This message has been edited by Siara (edited 08-23-2001).] reg

Actually I haven't done everything I could.

I think you will be pleased to find out what what I view as finally doing everything I could.

Buckwheet reg

I'm going to start this off with I'm extremely sorry I know that I'm not that good with apologies so I just wanted to get that said first and foremost.

I want to say that I never meant to hurt or offend anyone I was just stating what I felt at the time. I'm so sorry that people were hurt by these comments I have been working very hard to try and be very friendly and chill with everyone so again sorry about upsetting any people who I don't mention.

Siara I'm very sorry you took my words to heart I have no problem with you and never have in fact I've always found your posts enlightening.

I'm very sorry for the delay in my reply I was away for a little bit and I didn't know anyone even replied to my post until Buck came to speak to me.

We had a very long talk and I more fully understand what it means to be a MOD. I abused my title by making the boards look badly with my personal thoughts and again I apologize for this.

I'm sorry for my comments against the coven because I did not mean to hurt anyones feelings from now on I shall keep harsh thoughts about certain groups to my self.

Buck came to me and after the long talk asked me to step down as a mod for the entire board, I said I fully understood and apologized to him for making the post. After I apologized Buck told me he would re-think his decision about me as a mod, but he gave no promises.

Again I just want to stress that I'm so upset that I hurt so many people's feelings and that in the future I will keep my posts much more low key.

I'm truly very sorry for all the pain I caused.

Mano reg

I can assure you that you are not being ignored.

As for my post you read to much into my words. The "encounters" were not to my liking, not the people.

As for pushing back I am all for that. However the methods you used to start the pusing I firmly disagree with, especially when they are targeted at me and things I am working on.(The comments made about getting your post pulled. Did you hear your hand contact my face or did it just make my head into mush?)

Infact one of my good friends in the game Khait was a member of your group once. I like her a lot. I like her even better since she is no longer part of that group, however I would never have asked her to leave or treated her bad because she was part of your group. I like her overall, not just one or two aspects.

Also you are mis-understanding again what I am saying. I don't care if you are a member of the coven or a member of the PTA. You signed up as a member here, told me I wasn't doing my job properly and that stings. Especially when people leave something you have created.

Like you said. YOU are the ones giving up. I have fully extended my hand, and again here it is. See it? Its reaching out to anyone in the GS community and its there for the taking and all I ask is that instead of just saying I didn't appreciate that, advise me of how you would like to be treated in the future.

I am here, I am willing, I have what it takes to make a differance and I am sure you do to. But everyone needs to get off their high horses, pull their foot out of their mouth and decide today, right now, that they are going to make a differance. Without that dedication, what we are trying to do here won't succeed.

Sarcasim by the way is not the best way to make your points. It sounds flippant and it gives the air a certain attitude which might also bring negative light on the situation.

But that is of course my opinion.

Buckwheet
PS. Thanks Manodith for sticking to the common ground you and I hammered out.
reg

Thanks, Manodith!

Your thoughts and apology are appreciated, truly.

I'm a grumpy old broad, but I'm not a mean old witch and my thanks are sincere.

This matter is now ended and the issue, for me, will be dropped. reg

quote:
Originally posted by Siara:
Not me, not any of the other Coven/Abbey folks, nor any other ROLE-PLAYER in this game likes to come to these boards only to be continually called 'suck-up-ass-kissers'...

Just because a person is a roleplayer in the game, does not automatically make them a 'suck-up-ass-kisser'.
Some of the best roleplayers in the game have had very hotly contested "issues" with Simutronics & staff.

Conversely, Nor does being a 'suck-up-ass-kisser' make a person automatically a roleplayer.
Some of the biggest kiss-ups at Simucon (you know the ones - they think ALL GM's jokes are the funniest things they have ever heard. Yes, even Kennesaw's. (Just teasing!)) are notoriously out of character in the game.

Complaints, concerns, and roleplaying are all independent issues. reg

Hate to go off topic but

{{Some of the biggest kiss-ups at Simucon (you know the ones - they think ALL GM's jokes are the funniest things they have ever heard. }}

I found David Whatley to be quite funny, his keynote speech was full of laughs and I sure as hell am no suck up.


PS thanks for being so cool about the whole thing in the end Siara showed how mature we all could be. reg