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Open mindedness

I suppose disagreeing with someone means I am right? I am glad that much has been established (roll eyes).

All that I stated were opinions of how I thought Andraste deals with people and I am sorry that I want to protect my character in game from a GM that I do not trust. She gave me one option and to the tune of her own choosing. She stated my opinions were harassing. I do not feel like they were. I am not forcing her to read them here nor anyone else.

That does not make me right. It is a choice I made. If you want to close that down then by all means regress to the same type of policies that Simutronics uses.

Oh please edit this response out if you can't stand yet another person's opinion on the matter that was closed out.

quote:
Originally posted by Buckwheet:
To clarify and I might have to get a mechanics expert in here...

Hiding does not add to the ability to steal.

I can steal just as good from the open as I do in hiding.

All hiding does is after they steal then can then sneak away into another room to pocket the gem, and if someone did see them hiding again means you can't get attacked untill pointed out.

Buckwheet


Doesn't matter it is the only way you could look at someone and see if they hold a gem you had. Plus it is only one example mechanically. The game's mechanics don't cover all the combinations of encounters.

I think pointing at a hider is bad mechanics anyway. I think it should factor in success based on other's perception and also include someone looking at you when they see you hide. If the character wanted to look at someone they saw hide I don't see why they have to point them out for everyone else in the first place. It is a limitation. And people complaining about having some policy to back up their hiding then it's even more silly then 3yr olds hiding in a sandbox.

The above is a critique of the current game mechanics and a suggestion. (don't run away)

-no three year olds were harmed in the making of this sandbox.

reg

I'm disappointed the other thread had to end as it did. There are ways of disagreeing with someone without turning a thread into a one-sided flaming match. Such is the way of life, I guess. reg
I am too. I think Buckwheat is being changed.

If I wanted to flame I would use a flamethrower. I didn't even pull it out of the closet.

-no buildings were burned in the making of this post. Wear abestos don't breathe it. reg

Oh no! Heavy-handed censorship! EDIT! BAN! DELETE!!

::runs around in circles and falls down:: reg

quote:
Originally posted by GS3Aura:
All that I stated were opinions of how I thought Andraste deals with people and I am sorry that I want to protect my character in game from a GM that I do not trust.

Why would you go to such lengths to protect your character in the game? We all know it's just a fictional character in a game and nothing done to it can ever harm you. So go on, take your fictional character into the game and have a meeting with the fictional character named Andraste. You have nothing to lose.

~Sayrena reg

quote:
Originally posted by Sayrena:
Why would you go to such lengths to protect your character in the game?

Well, seeing as how on the old AOL boards, Andraste (then posting as her primary player character) once said she would hold my OOC posted views of the Silver Gryphons against one of my daughter's characters in-game, I can understand the desire to remain anonymous. It's a roleplaying deficiency. Some folks just have trouble with the distinction between player and character.
reg

I am not being changed. I felt you went on a tirade against Andraste and I also felt it was uncalled for. So I closed the thread.

Simple as that.

Buckwheet reg

Ya id have to agree with ya there Buck reg
<<Well, seeing as how on the old AOL boards, Andraste (then posting as her primary player character) once said she would hold my OOC posted views of the Silver Gryphons against one of my daughter's characters in-game, I can understand the
desire to remain anonymous. It's a roleplaying deficiency. Some folks just have
trouble with the distinction between player and character.>>

Bingo. Andraste is, by far, not an innocent when it comes to "strictly enforcing policy" when it pertains to her own character(s).

By the same token, Aura's response was a little heated. I can understand it though. It's tough to hear someone forcing something down your throat when they are (or at least have been in the past) the pot calling the kettle black.

Perhaps Andraste has matured and changed as a GM. Perhaps not.

Irregardless, now that Whatley and crew seem to be posting here, the boards seem to be moving towards a "Welcome to the Player's Corner."..an extension of the BBS of Simutronics.

Pockets reg

I don't think Buckwheet "has been changed". I do think, however, that he is seeing that the vast majority of board readers and participants are pretty much fed up with discussions always degrading into -- well, whatever they always end up being.

Some people just don't get it. There's a difference between 'open mindedness', stating opinions clearly in a non-confrontational manner and the juvenile rantings we see here.

It's also becoming clear that most people aren't interested in hearing the personal vendetta's some players have against anyone. If a person cannot fully grasp the ways of exposing true corruption and/or wrong doing, all the complaints on a public message board aren't going to do it. That's not how you go about it.

I read a comment elsewhere of the complaint - "I don't see why everything always comes down to role-play (or lack there of) in GS". Well it does.

Everying action, every word spoken by you the player of a character that is done within the confines of the game, should be done as role-play. That it's NOT in GS in particular, is why there are these constant battles.

Hiway in another thread already said it... it's all taken personally.

I'll go out on a limb here (and be prepared for some of you to saw the dern thing off) Most people in GS do NOT know how to role-play. This will be taken as an insult. This will be taken as me trying to push my RP standards on others. So be it. Bottom line is, the trouble most folks get into is because they cannot or do not fully understand RP. Little Sally Sunshine gets really mad if she does something in the game and her CHARACTER suffers the consequences. She wails and REPORTS. Joe Kewl can't understand why he can't roll-up that 'evil' character and run around killing people - just coz he's 'evil' - so he wails and trashes GMs in a public forum.

GS is treated like a chat room where you can 'do' stuff, and our GMs are now chat-room monitors.

And, Desh, fer gripes sake.. do NOT encourage people to take things to e-mail. If it cannot be said in a public forum without the possibility of it being 'pulled', then it should not be said. There are many of us that have done exactly as Andraste has said -- delete and report the harassment to FEEDBACK (these are for e-mails that come via our play.net addresses) reg

quote:
Originally posted by Pockets:

Irregardless, now that Whatley and crew seem to be posting here, the boards seem to be moving towards a "Welcome to the Player's Corner."..an extension of the BBS of Simutronics.

Pockets



Really? These boards used to be known as (and are still often called) the snert boards. I think having staff come and post here have changed things and made them more of a board for GS players, not just GS snerts.

I think Buckwheet was right to close that thread. Attacks against anyone should be pulled/closed, not just attacks against people who agree with you.
reg

Also I would like to make note.

That these boards are by the players for the players. That means if lots of your peers are complaining about you it is my job to reduce the negative impact you are having on them being here.

I didn't pull your thread. I just closed the topic of discussion so it could not degrade further. Not saying Aura you personally would have let it get that bad, however someone else could read your posts and register as a user then just use their own flame thrower. I felt points were made by both sides and that it was at a point where no matter what was posted it would lead to hurt feelings or a flame war.

Just so you know, I had over 20 members of this board contact me. Many of course called for the posts removal, which I was debating. It was Andraste herself that told me to let it stay up. If you can't take the chance that a person has changed, and take her up on her offer I don't see what you have to complain about. I personally have assisted and spoke with her before she knew it was me and she was more then willing to help me.

I don't see why she would publicy annouce she is willing to talk with you only to be waiting in the bushes to blast you. Expecially since she knows how vocal you are on the boards.

Thats my take, and a large portion of the posting/reading population disliked the treatment of Andraste, some even said they felt that way even though they disliked her.

There is nothing more I can say.

Buckwheet reg

I am not going to assist in game to risk such. I would be open to a neutral territory and have no idea why this forum isn't good enough. I feel the scrutiny by the public eye is bounds enough without the need to use email or in game where GM's "have tools".

I have seen first hand GM's abuse these tools. I have seen it happen more than one occasion and just because they say they have changed doesn't make it truth. Why is it so important that I -must agree- to meet her on her terms when some other medium would suffice all the same?

Just as she protects her anonymity I will protect mine. Whoever stated that I am meeting her anonymously has no idea that the GM's can easily check your account and know your credit card information and other personal details.

I too remember very vividly what Andraste has done in the past. She isn't a young person. People don't change that much in that short of time. I do not trust her given her past behavior. Why is that so hard for everyone to understand? Why do I have to take what she calls the higher ground and tolerate her behavior and forgive it? I have done nothing but point out her behavior in a game I play. I have no impact on her life in general. In the game she has the power to divine who I am and what character I play both of which she in the past has chosen to violate.

What exactly has changed? I have seen no indication to change my mind. I have seen a GM come here to become defensive over an issue where she was caught red handed.

Just tell me Buckwheet if you don't wish me to post any further. I will honor it.

I did not make a point to attack her. I highlighted her statements and countered them with my own opinions.

I take offense she labels so many people as being immature, lacking common courtesy and common sense yet she tolerates it allowing these people to disrupt the game. Does that not amaze anyone?

She flips back and forth from stating something is common sense when she mix and matches the character/player viewpoints.

I would suggest she step back and really try harder to view things in the game in character. When people react to things in game give them the benefit of the doubt that it is a character reaction and not the player's or at least have the "common courtesy" to ask. Gm "tools" do not include mind reading devices. To pounce and assume that someone is doing something disruptive without asking that person is just as bad.

Excusing away player convenience where the game touts Role-playing is hypocritical. She states like it is some call of ultimate injustice that someone should have a right to hide so they are not an eyesore? Where does common sense factor into this? Seems to me she is compromising the very foundations of the game in making exceptions.

Maybe it should be stated in policy a bit clearer if something is not ooc in game and you the player don't like it then either shut the hell up, move to another area or log off. You have no right to tell others who are roleplaying something to report it as disruptive.

Obviosly if they follow you to another area and continue it then sure, but I know Andraste pokes her nose into things all the time directly affecting the roleplay with her GM actions etc. She forces the creative bent because some snerts who are so disturbed by an in character arguement can't either ignore it or are so rude to tell people where they can and can't roleplay. That's a bunch of horse hockey.

-no chipmunks were abused in the game of horse hockey reg

quote:
Originally posted by NoOneImportant:

Really? These boards used to be known as (and are still often called) the snert boards. I think having staff come and post here have changed things and made them more of a board for GS players, not just GS snerts.

I think Buckwheet was right to close that thread. Attacks against anyone should be pulled/closed, not just attacks against people who agree with you.


Where is it called the snert boards? I haven't seen it. Because you say it is so then it makes it that way NOI? Because GM's come here to post makes it more of a player's point of view? Hello? Wow.

Where oh where did I attack Andraste also? I critiqued what she did not who she is. I do not know who Andraste is. I can't attack her. I don't even know she is a she. I have no way to validate any of that. I don't want to know. I don't think it really matters.

What matters is people, real people have come to this message board to post some concerns about the game that deals with the topic at hand.

I have no way to validate your concerns either NOI. If I were to use any common sense and make any inference based on your choice of name alone I should just take your advice and think that you are not important.

-no acronyms were made without prior consent and reference to common sense and common courtesy reference materials in the U.S. Library of Congress
reg

There is a big difference between an opinion and a personal attack. I offer this as an example…

Opinion…
“Closing a thread because it is not popular should not be the policy of the Players Corner.”

Personal Attack…
“If you want to close that <the thread> down then by all means regress to the same type of policies that Simutronics uses”

The first states that you disagree with the closing of threads, the other is little more than an insult, thrown because you did not care for the mod's decision.

I firmly believe that an open discussion of issues any player has with GS is a good thing (after all, sunlight IS the best disinfectant), however many need to recognize the line between opinion and insult.
reg

quote:
Originally posted by Ellarze:
There is a big difference between an opinion and a personal attack. I offer this as an example…

Opinion…
“Closing a thread because it is not popular should not be the policy of the Players Corner.”

Personal Attack…
“If you want to close that <the thread> down then by all means regress to the same type of policies that Simutronics uses”

The first states that you disagree with the closing of threads, the other is little more than an insult, thrown because you did not care for the mod's decision.

I firmly believe that an open discussion of issues any player has with GS is a good thing (after all, sunlight IS the best disinfectant), however many need to recognize the line between opinion and insult.


Not in my view. My example states my opinion that I didn't UNDERSTAND why and was CONFUSED why it was done. My last opinion was I thought the ACT of doing it seemed like just like simultronics does.


If I wanted to attack a poster then I would have to belittle their capabilities or abilities. Not question their motive or ask why they are doing it? If my opinion or inference is wrong then the person can simply reply and clarify. Much like I am doing here.

Alfador a person who has used alternate signin names to voice an opinion for example thinks my posts are complaints. I disagree with his opinion. My goal as the person authoring them are to clarify my message and concern.

Thanks for the input Alfador. I have heard you state your desire for me to leave and it is noted once again. No need to repeat it more than once. You have the ability to skip my "complaints" if you wish. No one is forcing you.

-no opinions were forced to become attacks in the making of this post.
reg

quote:
Originally posted by Pockets:

Irregardless, now that Whatley and crew seem to be posting here, the boards seem to be moving towards a "Welcome to the Player's Corner."..an extension of the BBS of Simutronics.

Pockets



Lets see you guys post 90% of what is in this concerns folder over at the official boards and see where that gets ya...

When it doesn't get pulled within 15 minutes of posting, then I'll do something besides laugh at these types of comments.

'lood

reg

quote:
You preach and preach about this common sense people should have yet you do absolutely nothing to help anyone. Ignoring the problem does not solve the problem.


Thats a direct quote from you Aura to Andraste as a person. What she does/does not do.

Thats just one instance.

She does help people, but I can't prove that to you, but if you want you can come over to my house sometime and I will show you.

Buckwheet

By they way, your last couple posts are what I have come to expect from you. Its nothing personal that I closed that thread down. I also enjoy reading them very much.
reg

Your last “opinion” was not inferred at all, it was an accusation, which came across as an insult. You, in no uncertain terms, told Buckwheat that by closing the thread down, he had sunk to (what you consider) Simutronics level.

Belittling a person’s capabilities or abilities is not the only way to insult a person. For instance, if I were to say “due to your refusal to stop flaming your fellow posters, I think it would be best if the phone company were to cut off the lines to your trailer park” I would not be insulting your “capabilities or abilities”, but I’m sure it would be hurtful just the same. reg

quote:
Originally posted by Buckwheet:

Thats a direct quote from you Aura to Andraste as a person. What she does/does not do.

Thats just one instance.

She does help people, but I can't prove that to you, but if you want you can come over to my house sometime and I will show you.

Buckwheet

By they way, your last couple posts are what I have come to expect from you. Its nothing personal that I closed that thread down. I also enjoy reading them very much.


I have no problem with people asking for me to clarify. I am offering my opinion on how she has not helped from a first hand viewpoint. I don't need to see the "tools" the GM is using to know when I have seen her interfere countless times in a roleplayed situation where GM participation was not asked for by the parties involved, but where I found out a non participating person reported it as disruptive. Be it hiding or otherwise.

Just as you have seen that she can help or not is not in my experience when I have seen her act. I am stating what I have seen. I can't speak for her other encounters with other people. People treat other people sometimes differently.

I feel she does not use what she preaches. In my opinion she does not use common sense. Common sense would dictate that a person would at the very least tolerate roleplay (even if negative) in a roleplay game. If they don't like it then do the "common courtesy" thing and leave. Is that so hard to understand? It seems(as in from my past interaction with her) to be for Andraste she does this very same thing.

I am not saying she or any other GM is perfect, but to make it seem like there are so many problem players just begs for me to think they are not solving the problem but ignoring it. If you intervene and support the people who report something as disruptive when the activity is roleplayed, and not affecting the people who reported it, then TELL the person who reported it a decision that supports roleplay and not snertdom.

I never understood why people in the game have this need to report so many things when they perpetuate and make a problem worse by responding and dictating to others how to behave.

If I see someone go ooc I am going to first whisper respectfully to that player I don't like it. If it stops no further conversation is needed. If it doesn't then I report. I will NOT report someone argueing with another character if it is IN CHARACTER.

Gm's like Andraste I feel measure disruption and determine if it is or isn't purely by the number of reports they get without standing back and asking those involved if it is roleplayed or watch the encounter.

I blame policy and supervision as the real problem. Andraste is not a SGM. I am not blaming her, just vigorously disagreeing with her viewpoints and highlighting how she does her job.

I am NOT evaluating her as a person. I am stating my opinions on how she does a job in Gemstone. I have NOT stated anything about how she is when she is the real person with real friends and real family. She might or might not help thousands in her own personal life. I simply do not know.

Don't take things out of context please. I am not perfect and when a single sentence or quoted line of text taken away from the context of the topic or the idea then it can be made to seem generalizing.

The fact is Andraste is not a real name. The fact is she is anonymous to me and I have no ability to know who she is or what she is. I only am stating some opinions of how she has handled things I have seen first hand or have heard from people I trust and know. I have read logs about her caring and help...

I guess I have a different viewpoint of what that means then she does. I would approach the player's in a much different way then she does and have offered a suggestion(s) already.

-windex was used liberally in the cleaning and clarifying of this post
reg

<<Lets see you guys post 90% of what is in this concerns folder over at the official
boards and see where that gets ya...

When it doesn't get pulled within 15 minutes of posting, then I'll do something
besides laugh at these types of comments.

'lood
>>

'Lood -

You'll note that I said in my post "...seems to be moving towards...". Key words being "seems" and "moving towards". ;-)

I don't think that they are there yet but I do note the increase of closed threads and GM defense by other readers. This is not to say that none of these are not warranted. Just an observation.

My main hope is that they do not get as heavily moderated as the Simu boards. Take the conflict folder over there. With all the rules in place this would be an appropriate post:

"There is a warrior. He stole from me. I didn't like it.".

<grin> Okay, maybe I'm exaggerating just a bit but not by too far, I don't think.

-Pockets reg

This board is commonly called the snert boards. Many people I know call it that. If you want to argue that, go right ahead. Doesn't bother me. When I first started coming here I laughed when I saw who the moderators were, many of them known "snerts."

And in MY OPINION, since staff have started posting here the boards have become a better place for all to post their feelings/concerns. I still have to put on my flame-retardant suit before posting because I get lambasted so often, but it's better than before.

My comment is merely that this has become a more player friendly board lately. In my opinion, it has a long way to go, but it has gotten better. Even now anyone posting anything in defense of Simutronics or GMs still will be flamed thoroughly, but at least the moderators are attempting to cut down on that behavior.

reg

Just some comments, naturally...

People do change, as do situations, if they work at it. Those who don't wish to work at change or resolution wind up carrying the baggage around with them for a long time. This I have learned, this I practice. Again, ask Edge, ask Buckwheet. There are many others, too, that don't post here.

Hindsight is wonderful. Foresight would be even better. Being psychic would be grand. Being able to transport myself from place to place (in the real world) and say, "Beam me up, Scotty" would be fantasy come true.

I did not intend to denigrate the majority of players by any of my comments posted here (and judging from the replies, it doesn't appear I did). I did however offer my opinion that those who are here and appear to thrive solely on acting disruptively, which gets them reported, seem to demonstrate a lack of courtesy and common sense than other players. If this was not clear in my previous posted, then I apologize for that and hope this clarifies it now.

Anything I might have said or did when the game was on AOL was before I was hired to be staff... when I was still "just" a player, just like you folks are doing now. This is not an excuse, but it is fact.

When not posting as staff, I am posting as a player. Let's draw the line between the two. Ditto for when I am in my PCs in the game.

--A. reg

These boards are breaking down some of the barriers between GMs and Players. I know we all want to do our fair share of flaming.

Let's not try to chase away the staff that is coming here to post. They are trying to bridge the gap with all of us.

Andraste stated that she would be more then willing to talk to people ingame to solve their differences. I don't see what else she can do.

edge

reg

I couldn't imagine being a GM who would be willing to give their real name to someone, especially when they often post the general part of the country they live in or describe things around their home that would indicate their geographical location.

Just the thought of handing out my name to someone who is totally pissed off at me and has some major axe to grind gives me the creeps. Given the severety of "problems" people have, mental instabilities, total psychos, stalkers, sex offenders, terrorists, hackers, crackers, etc so prevelant on the internet, it makes me wonder why anyone would have a problem with a GM refusing to give that information out to anyone.

R.
reg

quote:
Originally posted by Desharei:

Just the thought of handing out my name to someone who is totally pissed off at me and has some major axe to grind gives me the creeps. Given the severety of "problems" people have, mental instabilities, total psychos, stalkers, sex offenders, terrorists, hackers, crackers, etc so prevelant on the internet, it makes me wonder why anyone would have a problem with a GM refusing to give that information out to anyone.

R.


Who asked for a GM name? I merely wanted my discussion to remain free of real names. Gm's can determine this in game. So in a way Dehsari you validate my reason to stay anonymous.

I must of missed something.

-no names were harmed in the making of this post

reg

Well I did not even bother reading this full post. Quite franky I am disgusted in how you talked to Andraste, Aura. I one have never been a fan of Andraste, but I do respect what she does and how she handles the majority of situations just like the rest of the GM's. I am glad you closed that thread Buckwheet, and I hope you do the same here. This conversation is not a very good one and I think we all can have a better discusion about other things rather than.

Lord Deprav
"Donny your out of your element."~Walter~ reg

quote:
Originally posted by Lord Deprav:
Well I did not even bother reading this full post. Quite franky I am disgusted in how you talked to Andraste, Aura. I one have never been a fan of Andraste, but I do respect what she does and how she handles the majority of situations just like the rest of the GM's. I am glad you closed that thread Buckwheet, and I hope you do the same here. This conversation is not a very good one and I think we all can have a better discusion about other things rather than.

Lord Deprav
"Donny your out of your element."~Walter~


Thanks Deprav, I truly appreciate your comments.

I'll make you the same offer I made to Aura... and have offered to others who have said they have difficulties with me. Be it perceived as my style, my attitude, my methods, etc., I'm willing to listen to how you view it, and share my views as well.

Assist when I'm onduty, or drop me an email asking to set up a more convenient time.

--A. reg

quote:
Originally posted by GMAndraste:
Thanks Deprav, I truly appreciate your comments.

I'll make you the same offer I made to Aura... and have offered to others who have said they have difficulties with me. Be it perceived as my style, my attitude, my methods, etc., I'm willing to listen to how you view it, and share my views as well.

Assist when I'm onduty, or drop me an email asking to set up a more convenient time.

--A.


I guess third time is a charm.

No. I am not going to let you devine who I am with your GM tools. That is not a fair area. I have no further items to discuss with you. I do not think given your past behavior in game deserve to be a GM.

If the same policy were applied to you you would of been banned a long time ago in my opinion. Just as Simutronics doesn't give second chances to permanent banning means the same for me. You have burned me just too many times for me to trust you.

reg

quote:
Originally posted by GS3Aura:
I guess third time is a charm.

No. I am not going to let you devine who I am with your GM tools. That is not a fair area. I have no further items to discuss with you. I do not think given your past behavior in game deserve to be a GM.

If the same policy were applied to you you would of been banned a long time ago in my opinion. Just as Simutronics doesn't give second chances to permanent banning means the same for me. You have burned me just too many times for me to trust you.



Heh.

Aura....before this topic is closed I wish to offer some advice.

1. Don't re-organize another topic that's already been closed in a sense.

2. And the more important one:

The Simutronics Customer Service and Billing department is open 7 days a week from 1 p.m. to 9 p.m. Eastern. You can reach us at 1-636-925-3172 or by emailing custserv@simutronics.com

Quit the whining ;P

Fergot.

In case you need more help:

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[This message has been edited by JustLilOlMe (edited 08-28-2001).] reg

a fat lotta good posting on a message board is gonna do ya then...

if a GM i had a problem with came out and said , ok, ill sit down with you and discuss this thing, i'd jump at the chance.

Thats all i ever asked for in the first place, the canned-macro-response-throw-ya-in-the-cell garbage just didnt cut it for me.

But, that was a year ago, and i haven't let it interfere with my playing experience and i dont hold a grudge, i dont have some personal vendetta against the person, and i dont have the GM's simucon picture taped to my wall so i can throw darts at it...


'lood
reg

quote:
Originally posted by JustLilOlMe:

Heh.

Quit the whining ;P


What am I whining about? Did I confuse you by stating three times I am not going to talk to Andraste in game? Sounds like a statement and not a begging for something to be done. Whining entails that someone is complaining about something and they want it changed. I have stated numerous times I am not going to change nor expect Andraste or other GM's to change.

I do not believe her. Hey shut down the topic about having an opinion that she has not changed. I don't care.

Or were you distracted by that fact? Or were you distracted by the assumption that I haven't already talked to the management already? Wow.

Take your own advice. reg

quote:
Originally posted by GS3Aura:
Or were you distracted by the assumption that I haven't already talked to the management already? Wow.

Random thought of the day:

I wonder if GS3Aura has not only talked to management, but also successfully sued them? reg

Andraste, thank you for the offer, that is why I have always appreciated you as a GM. You have always listen with me and from what I have heard from close friends you have too. I also appreciated when you turned Nindy into an Orc. That was rather humorous, and yes he did deserve it! ::cower:: If only I could have silenced, binded and calmed him. My dream would have come true. ::smirk::

Lord Deprav
Hiding underneath a table now. Nindy is on the loose! reg

It totally amazes me that the author of this thread entitled it 'open mindedness.'


~Sayrena reg

quote:
Originally posted by GS3Aura:
What am I whining about? Did I confuse you by stating three times I am not going to talk to Andraste in game? Sounds like a statement and not a begging for something to be done. Whining entails that someone is complaining about something and they want it changed. I have stated numerous times I am not going to change nor expect Andraste or other GM's to change.

I do not believe her. Hey shut down the topic about having an opinion that she has not changed. I don't care.

Or were you distracted by that fact? Or were you distracted by the assumption that I haven't already talked to the management already? Wow.

Take your own advice.


Actually...I wasn't too distracted.

I have better things to do with the time I can read the boards than bicker to a GM about this and that and this and that...yadayadayada.

You're not the only one! :P

And sorry if I didn't thoroughly read all of your post. reg

Let's quit ganging up on Aura. Andraste has given you a chance to try and make amends. Now the ball is in your corner. What else can she do then offer to have a private conversation with you?

I personally like reading Aura's posts and don't want to chase him away. Brings a totally different veiw to topics.

So, contact Andraste and see if something can be worked out. If not, then come back and explain why.

edge

reg

You know, that's one thing that's always impressed me about Andraste. Her willingness to attempt to work out a problem.

I truly wish a few other staff would have this sort of outlook, instead of the glib, sarcastic and unhelpful type that I deal with frequently. Its like SIMU hired a bunch of Celtars!<grin>

Btw the above statement was a generalization, not all staff are that way by any means. Andraste is one of the most caring, helpful and understanding sorts I know. Yes she can be harsh when she has to and is frequently so. But only when it usually is required.

Have any of you ever seen some of the assists that hosts, sages and GMs put up with? It boggles my mind that they deal with it, I know that I could not do so day after day.

Anyhow I'd like to say well done for making the attempt Andraste, btw can you send a play book to Brauden on how you opperate, I'd appreciate it.<stares off>.


Celtar reg

Alright, I'm going to try really hard to not get this reply pulled. The following are all PERSONAL OPINION.

Over the past couple of years, I have watched both on these boards and others, opinions flow about Andraste. Those that defend her at all costs. Those that revile her at all costs.

I personally heartily dislike her. I've never bothered to say anything because it won't do any good. Simu sticks up for their staff - no matter what. GM's have been known to be vindictive. I enjoy playing GS too much to risk that.

I KNOW that Andraste has had her in-game characters use knowledge that she could have only known via GM tools. Not only that, but she has then told OTHER characters about personal player information that should only be known to her as a GM. And not years ago... recently. There are some that are willing to take the risk that have reported to her Simu for this. I'm not one of them.

I know at least one of her characters. My characters will not speak with them. I won't even whisper to another player if her character is in unless I know it is something that there is NO WAY she could use against me. OOC? Maybe. But in this instance, I have learned I have to cover my behind.

I feel angry and bitter about SENDS my characters have gotten from her because she has either made assumptions about them - without actually watching my characters actions - or she judges them on her personal value system rather than actual Simu policy.

I am an adult playing what is *supposed* to be a game for those over eighteen. I am not a snert. I have never had a PvP sitation. Heck, the only reason I can (barely) stand CvC disagreements is because behind the scenes I'm IMing with the ones I am having the conflict with to make sure everything is okay!

I have never had a warning. I have had three SENDS in three or four years. Two of them from Andraste. Both I highly disagreed with because they were based on her own personal biased assumptions. *shrugs* Once I oops on a word considered vulgar and I apologized right away for it.

And no, I'm not going to sit down and talk with her either. I'm not stupid. I enjoy GS too much to have it ruined by one GM.

Bah, I hate this type of thing. I hate conflict and I hate what this will probably degenerate to. But I've kept my trap shut for years about this and had to vent a bit. Hopefully, I was... calm enough to not get this pulled.

~B reg

hmm, it's funny..most of the people I know think Andraste is wonderful.

I only hear complaints when she does her job as a GM perhaps too well..

I don't know her well enough to judge, but from what I can discern, she is a gem of a staff person.

My one experience with her was when a friend of mine was having a problem with something and she came around and took care of it quickly, and made my friend feel a heck of a lot better, which to me means she has the ability to be strict and kind hearted at the same time..:nods:

:shrug:

Ilvane, and her elf reg

quote:
Originally posted by Ilvane:
I only hear complaints when she does her job as a GM perhaps too well..

While playing your character, telling Character A about Character B's personal account information that can only be known because you are a GM is doing the job "to well?"

Oooookay....

I really didn't think I was going to change any opinions one way or the other. I just needed to vent a couple years of frustration. Believe me or not... *shrugs*

~B
reg


Hey, more unofficial boards...groovy

Celtar, you change your opinions about people like the wind. The moment they pay any attention to you, they are your best friend.

And I only say that like that because you know I love you.

Andraste is enemy #1 in my book, she's had SEVERAL complaints and seems to be the topic of many irrate players since I can remember. She might say that's because she's in charge of lock-out, but I just find it an overwhelming amount of people that dislike her that haven't ever been spoken to about behavior.

I don't blame Aura for not wanting to speak to her on her 'turf', and I think she's getting picked on unfairly here. I can tell you firsthand that talking to Andraste would be exactly like she said, you give your opinion, she'd listen, and she'd give hers...So nothing would really be accomplished in that because well, she's never wrong.

I say don't work yourself up about her, just treat her like an NPC Game Master.

It seems to work for me


Sincerely,

Rhaindrop reg

I am now closing this topic I think its gone on long enough and I don't see how it has anything to do with open mindedness

Mano reg