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05:06 PMCurious on what people think the IDEAL training would look like for a level 160 character of each class displaying ranks known in each skill. A fairly laborious undertaking but it would be very interesting to see what others think the most powerful character would be trained like for each profession. It can be a rough outline of what you think they should look like...no need to figure out TPs or anything... In my mind...a level 160 cleric would appear:

110 armor ranks
161 shield use
161 blunt weapons
161 CM
322 known spells
161 ranks in spell aim
161 ranks in perception
50 climb
50 swim
322 ranks in mana share
maxed in health points
considerable amount of MO (what would be a logical amount?)
And a considerable amount of MIU, and scroll.


Mike

Zanagan reg

06:36 PMwhy only 110 in armor...isnt plate 160?
and 80 ranks of MO, smirk without ambush or anything 4 swings with 117 will kill almost anything in right stance

Pick pockets great fer clerics...MUAHAH

im sure some first aid would help there zan.. poke

and id prolly want to have at least 50 ranks of scroll reading and magic item use just incase...

jes some ideas..

reg

06:47 PMI'm against clerics 1xing spell aim. It becomes useless and isn't worth 3/3 per training in my opinion. Also, there is no reason to 2x mana sharing for a cleric. I'd 1x armor as to be in plate by the cap.

Sonic reg

07:54 PMahh i didn't know 160 ranks was for full plate..thanks


I heard 2x share for life helps with 319?

Mike reg

08:54 PMOmnirus (at level 137), your skill bonuses and ranks are:
Skill Bonus Rank
-------------------------------------------------------------
Armor Use : 120 [30]
Shield Use : 238 [138]
Combat Maneuvers : 238 [138]
Edged Weapons : 238 [138]
Climbing : 140 [40]
Swimming : 130 [35]
Disarm Traps : 179 [79]
Pick Locks : 194 [94]
Stalking & Hiding : 146 [46]
Perception : 165 [65]
Scroll Reading : 158 [58]
Magic Item Use : 120 [30]
Mana Sharing : 172 [72]
Spell Aiming : 93 [21]
Ambush : 126 [33]
Physical Training : 124 [32]
First Aid : 225 [125]
Trading : 30 [6]
Picking Pockets : 5 [1]
Brawling : 146 [46]
Physical Training Points : 5

I'm going to be moving to Multi-Opps of course.

W/O tripling of course.

My spell lists currently are MnS 50 MjS 50 and Clerical 185.

I'm going to continually just do 2x clerical and increase my brawling as well as spell aiming.
reg

08:55 PMAlso...

I _am_ the mod in the cleric folder.

I'd love a conversation about this over there! reg

08:21 AMOoof yer gonna regret that lockpickin,disarming, stalkin and ambushin
In my humblest opinion course reg
09:25 AMRusval, keep in mind Omnirus is created from WAY back in the day. Clearly no currently made clerics would ever bother with ambushing..but there is nothing these older clerics can do about it.

Mike reg

11:34 AMWhile the ambush and hiding is unfortunate, Omnirus was one of the few old clerics smart enough to 1x CM, edged and shield. Very good idea.

Sonic reg

12:39 PMAhhh sorry, i thought he was point that out as a perfect character not as his...smirk

and i think spell aimin is gonna be vital fer clerics, cause of ferstly 319 and courding to zentalins site it may become necessary in 302'ing so shrug 3/3 isnt too bad its good to have not like wizards and multi opponents...grumble reg

05:18 PMTrust me, I know what I'm talking about.

Sonic reg

06:19 PMProve it without a doubt.

Buckwheet reg

07:16 PM161 Armor ranks
161 Shield use
161 Blunt weapons
161 CM
322 Known spells
161 ranks in spell aim
161 ranks in perception
80 Climb
80 Swim
161 ranks in mana share
40 ranks in PT
40 ranks in MO
322 ranks in FA
161 ranks in MIU
161 ranks in Scroll

Any before you say this is impossible, My cleric will look like this at 160, plus 110 ranks in trading too

-=Insomniac=-
reg

08:00 PMStarting a topic in the cleric folder concerning this.

I don't wanna clutter up the concerns folder. reg

09:14 PM
quote:
Originally posted by Rusval:
Ahhh sorry, i thought he was point that out as a perfect character not as his...smirk

and i think spell aimin is gonna be vital fer clerics, cause of ferstly 319 and courding to zentalins site it may become necessary in 302'ing so shrug 3/3 isnt too bad its good to have not like wizards and multi opponents...grumble

According to Jaeden/Zentalin?

Well it must be written in stone then!

J/K reg

09:49 AM<<Prove it without a doubt.

Buckwheet>>

Ok, well I for one know more about Zentalin than anyone on this board. I also know that he has no idea about SA or MS ever being critical to spells. Zentalin is the oldest/closest to optimized cleric in the game. He's got the best stats of any aged character in the game without a doubt. His creator knew what he was doing when he first made him. I've discussed the usefulness of SA and I've seen how useless it is for him in action. The reason he got SA is because he didn't have much else to put TPs into. In retrospect, being more heavily dedicated to MO would have been better, however MO wasn't a useful skill at the time.

Zentalin will prove to be the best cleric once he caps, however SA will not be a contributing fact.

Sonic reg

11:08 AMWow Alfador, that's mondo impressive! Buckwheet asked you to prove something (meaning offer facts, not opinions) and you said, in part...

quote:
He's got the best stats of any aged character in the game without a doubt.

and then...

quote:
Zentalin will prove to be the best cleric once he caps, however SA will not be a contributing fact.

Now keeping in mind that you were asked for facts, I will assume these are not your opinions, but the facts, which was supposedly the purpose of your response to Buckwheet asking for facts, and not opinions.

Given the above...you must have some serious connections to be able to check out every single existing account's characters in the game's database. Afterall, you wouldn't want to mislead anyone by stating an opinion and claiming it as fact, would you?

Again, I'm impressed. Who are your connections, that you have access to the database to check every other character that exists in the entire game? Enquiring minds wanna know!

R
reg

11:27 AM<laugh>

And exactly how well does Zentalin RP?

plz?

thx?

Yes those are just 2 of the slew of words that Zentalin/Jaeden uses to talk.

He makes a mockery of the game.

reg

11:32 AM
quote:
Originally posted by Alfador:
<<Prove it without a doubt.

Buckwheet>>

Ok, well I for one know more about Zentalin than anyone on this board. I also know that he has no idea about SA or MS ever being critical to spells. Zentalin is the oldest/closest to optimized cleric in the game. He's got the best stats of any aged character in the game without a doubt. His creator knew what he was doing when he first made him. I've discussed the usefulness of SA and I've seen how useless it is for him in action. The reason he got SA is because he didn't have much else to put TPs into. In retrospect, being more heavily dedicated to MO would have been better, however MO wasn't a useful skill at the time.

Zentalin will prove to be the best cleric once he caps, however SA will not be a contributing fact.

Sonic

As well I can think of hmm...

4 other characters that have completely optimized stats at their level that were around hmm...before the owner of Jaeden was probably old enough to get to the keyboard. Yes...as Desh states...do _not_ make statements that have absolutely no factual or statistical backup. It just continually hurts your argument Alfador. There's no possible way that you would have known that Zentalin has the best stats when he caps out. It's simply impossible.

What you're saying is basically there's no other character that has better stats/training then Zentalin @ his cap?

My opinion:

1. Who cares
2. Scintillion part 2

reg