The Players Corner Archive

Character Sales

Im wondering how many people are against it, and why. Anyone care to give some reasoning for their position, whether it be for or against it?

Viril.. You say you don't like buyers, but could care less about the sellers. That just doesn't make sense to me. Without sellers you can't have buyers.

Also.. kinda going out on a limb here, but I beleive a majority of the people who buy or sell characters, actually do both!

I don't really care one way or another about character sales. I have bought and sold them. If I hadn't seen that first character for sale, I would never have gotten into the practice. I really think its fun to be able to get into the game quickly, and experience all the professions, without taking 5 years of my life or more to get a character of each profession to a high level.(I would LOVE to go into an argument about how LONG it takes to get anywhere in GS, they really need to take out the absorption process.)

I can't say it have improved or helped my GS experience to buy and sell characters, but I have learned there are professions, and training patterns that I really don't like, and I am very happy I didn't have to spend months or years to get a character to the point where I could test the stuff.

Anyhow.. comments on buying/selling would be welcome.
reg

I don't mind buying and selling for cash. I have done both and it doesn't bother me all that much.

I still have characters, items, and coins in the game that I have "earned" myself, and very rarely do I use bought characters to advance other characters at ridiculous rates of speed. Such as use a level 200 wizard or empath to haste and bind everything under the sun and level very fast.

I have earned by hand over 200 levels in the game, they are just spread out over lots of characters and most of those 200 levels are over title, so now I don't have a lot of little characters running around.

The one thing I don't understand about people who complain about the people who buy characters, is that they don't realize they generally hate these people anyway. Mainly because ALL they do is "powerhunt" day in and day out and they don't RP. So they spend 10$ a month for lets say 2 years to get to level 160. Thats 240$ just for the account not to mention how much time they have to be "anti-social" to get there. So lets say you put that 240$ towards the purchase of a level 100 character. And decide that you are going to take the next two years to gain your last 60 levels, and do lots of RP and interaction with folks.

I know its not the same thing, but it is similar. I know if I wanted my bard to be able to sing to all my gems really good, that I would power hunt him up to level 30. Probably take me about...4-5 months to do that. All the time not playing any of my other characters. Well now lets say Bubba Joe says here man buy my level 30 bard for 75$. It would make sense to me to do it because I am going to spend 50$ on the account just to get him to level 30. And the 25$ extra bucks is cheap work.

Just my thoughts though.

Buckwheet

PS. Anyone have a level 120ish sorc for sale for CHEAP let me know! reg

I don't think selling code that isn't yours in the first place is right, nor is making a business out of a game and giving advantages to people who have money in RL. It doesn't really bother me though. To me, Gemstone is a game. I don't see a reason to get all fired up and get an ulcer about the whole issue. I know people who buy and sell. What people like to do with their time is their business, and if buying/selling game items is what you get off on, more power to you.

Bianca reg

A short story:

Bestatte was once friendly with a certain sorcerer. She hadn't titled yet, and he used to bring her to the spider temple with some mutual friends and they'd all hunt together, watching each other's backs, and rest together and talk about the world (the in-character world, not the real-life world).

They went their separate ways eventually, on good terms, but he had moved on to other hunting areas and she developed other friends.

Bestatte made it to Teras, and after around 6 months, that sorcerer showed up again after being not only gone, but gone from the game as well.

Bes was so happy to sense his thoughts on the net she stopped what she was doing and found him on the Isle, and told him how he was missed.

He told me, in a whisper, that he knew who I was, and that he hated me.

Turns out, the character had been sold to a player who didn't like me. I have no idea who the player was, he didn't identify himself, and he refused to accept that the character he was occupying was FRIENDS with Bestatte. He harrassed me for months in the game, calling my character a whore, threatening her.

That's why buying and selling characters - and why people using other people's characters even if it's just borrowed - is a bad thing. There's no way for everyone ELSE to RP the situation when they meet up with a wife/husband/friend/sibling who suddenly has no idea who you are, or worse - has a totally different opinion of your character than they did the previous day - without any in-character reason or justification.

R
reg

I totally agree with you Desharei, but if you consider that OOC then there are some many other things. I do not know what you do with your characters, but putting more than 10 dollars a month into one character is being OOC. It affects everyones role play when people get special abilities by spending real life cash. Via examples airships, merchants, alter and homes for premies.

Lord Deprav
"Life seems to fade away drifting further everyday." reg

That's a whole nuther issue. And the system is set up intentionally for people to do those things. Character sales are not an intentional function of the system, and whether or not they enforce their policies, those policies do prohibit cash sales. They do not prohibit premium accounts or using the services that come with those accounts.

I don't like the separation either, but Simu does have their game set up specifically to allow the separation. You work within the system as it's set up. Afterall, typing text on a computer screen is also OOC, but we get past that

You could look at it from another point of view: People who don't/can't/won't have a premium account are being OOC, since the game does provide the ability to have a player home and those "basic" members are refusing to participate in a function of the game for OOC reasons. It isn't the split itself that causes the OOC problems. It's the people who make a fuss about it in the game, and direct our attention to the split in the game, that cause the problems.

The split is definitely OOC. Talking about it in the game is equally OOC. But then, so is the fact that GMs appear in the game and announce themselves when they're attending to assists. We get past that too, as disruptive to RP as it is.

R

[This message has been edited by Desharei (edited 10-23-2001).] reg

"You can't polish a turd"

Every which way and angle you look at it Simu's product, namely Gemstone III was born as a turd and will always be a turd.

How many years, yes years, will it finally become evident?

Simu staff does not make it a priority to use any sort of proactive leadership. That is a statement in itself. They sit on their haunches and state they will wait.

Waiting is something the company excels at. Procrastination, real soon now, just around the corner, etc.

As Roberta said, the environment is the way it is due to either the activity, rules, or inactivity or lack of consistency. Those combinations of poor policies, haphazard staff, and even the customers that come to the product are the results.

Simutronics does not plainly care about selling characters. It helps them as they see it. Roleplay integrity, policy integrity, professional integrity has never been a focus for the company.

It should not be a surprise to anyone.

Hiway reg

Tell ya the one area I've never had an issue with has been the billing department. Thus far everyone that's worked there has been wonderful. Although, I've been told that the billing department is seperate from Simu (could be wrong) and that they have no bearing on game decisions, etc.

reg

I tend to agree with Hiway on this one, as much as it pisses me off that Simu won't do anything to stop the character selling.

Selfcast may help it since the majority of people I've seen buy other characters to spell their main character up so that he can hunt/duel/whatever. That should drop drasticly once self-cast hits.

Then there are others who buy insanely old characters, put them inviso in a small hunting area on a rest script, and wait for a whole horde of monsters to show up and then cone/mstrike/whatever.

But self-cast will only seek to make people want to buy these old characters to play with, since they'll whine and complain about how they can't hunt manticores without shields and WOF at 2.

I've just given up on the sold character thing, it'll never end. But I've got scruples, when Revalos leaves, he won't come back.

-Revalos reg

I just cant see leaving the game then just deleting something worth 100s of dollars. Scruples or not.

edge reg

<<I just cant see leaving the game then just deleting something worth 100s of dollars. Scruples or not.>>

I'll make sure you are in game the day I decide to quit so you can see:

* Alfador's soul has been lost to the demonic!

Sonic reg

All the characters I have made will leave with me. However items/coins might be another issue. I don't "need" all the coins I have, so I might sell off 100m of them when I leave. I dunno.

Buckwheet reg