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12:40 PMHow do you all feel about people that were banned...however still seem to find a way into the game?

I'm gunna open up a huge can of worms on this one.

Who was Scintillion's girlfriend? Clearity.

Who supposedly helped him create the website that got him locked out? Clearity.

What level was Clearity when she was hunting on the isle with my wizard? She appeared in her 60's.

How long ago was this? Around 7 months.

What level is she now?

411242816 Clearity Dayz 411242595 85 Dark Elf

Incredible coincidence, eh? reg

01:33 PMBro, lay of Scintillion. He got banned for some stupid reason and you still hold something against this guy?

-Pirub reg

01:43 PMNope absolutely not. Was and still is a friend of mine.

Just find it intresting that they threaten people with the IP address thing Pirub. I've nothing against Scint at all...and he knows that :P reg

03:03 PM
quote:
Originally posted by Omnirus:
Nope absolutely not. Was and still is a friend of mine.

Just find it intresting that they threaten people with the IP address thing Pirub. I've nothing against Scint at all...and he knows that :P

I just think he was young and coupled with policy/GM's not educating people instead of punishing them he expressed himself harshly.

People make mistakes. The key is learning from them.

I have talked to Ryan before and he seemed like a nice guy to me. A little angry at Simutronics, but many do given some of their antics over the last few years.

Hey if you see him tell him Darren say's hi and hope he is doing well.

Hiway

reg

05:34 PMSorry, I thought you were bashing him or something.

I've only talked to the guy a few times. Let’s get real, what he did wasn't a mistake. Nor was it grounds for even a warning but a permanent ban? I thought it was pretty funny.

-Pirub reg

08:38 PM
quote:
Originally posted by Pirub9:
Sorry, I thought you were bashing him or something.

I've only talked to the guy a few times. Let’s get real, what he did wasn't a mistake. Nor was it grounds for even a warning but a permanent ban? I thought it was pretty funny.

-Pirub

That anyone could fail to see just how much what he did hurt some people speaks volumes. reg

08:43 PMAwww your feelings are hurt because someone online made fun of you! Poor baby!

-Pirub reg

09:10 PMMaybe I'm just a jerkoff or thick skinned, but where I'm from, it takes a little bit more than being called fat or a loser by some internet person to hurt your feelings. If anyone was seriously offended by that, it's time for a reality check. What Scint posted wasn't nice or right by any measure, however it's nothing to ruin your day over. If the WORST part of your day is being called lazy on the internet, I'd like to be you.

Sonic reg

09:24 PM
quote:
Originally posted by Pirub9:
Awww your feelings are hurt because someone online made fun of you! Poor baby!

-Pirub

I see...you instead see this as a good thing.

You know, I don't personally get "hurt" by such people who in such behavior merely show how small and sad they are themselves.

What I do is to not associate with such people. Such behavior is infantile and something I simply have no time to waste on.

Its unacceptable and in an arena where we are paying money to spend leisure time I agree wholeheartedly with the decision to bid such a person good day. reg

09:31 PM'I simply have no time to waste on.'
If you have no time to waste, then why post about it?

Say I make an Anti-Microsoft webpage and make fun of Bill Gates and the people who play Asheron Call. Should I not be able to play Asherons call? I rest my case.

-Pirub reg

09:39 PM
quote:
Originally posted by Pirub9:
'I simply have no time to waste on.'
If you have no time to waste, then why post about it?

Say I make an Anti-Microsoft webpage and make fun of Bill Gates and the people who play Asheron Call. Should I not be able to play Asherons call? I rest my case.

-Pirub

I think it would be foolish or at the very least naive to believe that you could insult the members or owners of a private organization and then feel they owe you a thing. reg

09:40 PMYea, that was a pretty weak argument. It's great you feel that: "Its unacceptable and in an arena where we are paying money to spend leisure time I agree wholeheartedly with the decision to bid such a person good day.", however you are mistaken that it isn't IN the arena. Scint just had some bootleg geocities page that probably no more than 50 people saw. I think it was a poor decision to ban him JUST for that (on top of his other warnings), if that was the case. That's the bottom line; the freedom of speech should have protected Scint's right to do that, but I guess some people don't like their fat toes being step on.

Sonic reg

11:00 PM
quote:
Originally posted by Alfador:
Scint just had some bootleg geocities page that probably no more than 50 people saw. I think it was a poor decision to ban him JUST for that (on top of his other warnings), if that was the case. That's the bottom line; the freedom of speech should have protected Scint's right to do that, but I guess some people don't like their fat toes being step on.

Sonic

If it had stayed outside of the game, you would be right. But it didn't. It was brought into the game in a very big way and used as an excuse to OOC harass the those players in the game.

Additionally, first amendment rights don't cover what is discussed in the game, that's what Policy and Terms and Conditions are set up for. And certainly, being OOC and harassing someone in the game are two such violations of those.

--A. reg

12:17 AMWell I guess some employees can discuss why something happened after all.

Again the consistency blows me away.

Hiway reg

12:42 AMI don't think that was fair, Hiway.

Andraste wasn't saying anything that was confidential.

Slamming her for responding is inviting her to stop posting here. And I for one enjoy hearing from the other side of the fence.

Aerienne reg

12:53 AM
quote:
Originally posted by Aerienne:
I don't think that was fair, Hiway.

Andraste wasn't saying anything that was confidential.

Slamming her for responding is inviting her to stop posting here. And I for one enjoy hearing from the other side of the fence.

Aerienne

From what I understand I have never heard of a Simutronics employee stating the particulars of any individual. Her statements are in reference to a individual's status and why something happened.

I see selective application of their own policies. That is what I commented on. I didn't slam her. I called a spade a spade.

Hiway

reg

08:05 AMSay whatever you want but those photographs had to have hurt. People who are overweight already know they are, they don't need some pimply teenager to remind them that they're fat and plaster degrading stuff with it.

The old anti-GS websites were funny to me, they had a buncha rumors about players and the game but they never crossed the line. The pictures were just too much, IMHO. I'm glad to hear whoever made the website banned. ::shrugs::

Bianca reg

10:08 AMWhether my toes are fat or not is my business, and if I don't choose to share that with the rest of the world, then I don't think that it's particularly ethical of someone to post my picture with cruel captions just because they think that it's funny.

What I look like or do in real life has nothing to do with who Ylena is and what she does in Elanthia - that's the point of roleplay. There have been numerous incidents where Ylena been insulted either in whispers or aloud because someone has seen my photograph and felt it necessary to comment.

And I'm sure that the group of you who don't understand just how cruel it is to take pictures from a fun event and twist their context with nasty captions are going to post in reply to me how there are free speech rights and I shouldn't care anyway...

You know what? Save it. I can prattle them right along with you. In a perfect world, that kind of crap wouldn't bother anyone. But you know what? It does.

Elizabeth reg

08:47 AMTough subject. I never saw scint's page because edge wouldn't tell me about it. Someone actually sent me a link but by then it had been pulled and edge was livid that someone even made me aware of it. Apparently I was on that mean, spiteful page. Do you people think that everyone chooses to be too fat, too thin or ugly? We are given gene's at birth and have to live with what we have. To be downright vengeful about it is just cruel. Do I think Scint should have been banned, absolutely. Do I think he is the only one that should have taken the heat for this, noway. Edge and I disagree on this one and don't discuss it because it would not get us anywhere but angry at each other and frankly I wouldn't give scint the satisfaction of his behavior causing me any grief. You may say poor baby to people that got their feelings hurt, obviously you weren't the subject of such foul behavior. When you people look perfect and have the perfect personalities to go along with it, then you may cast stones. Shallow people in my opinion are missing a lot in this world and usually the one's criticizing are the one's that are trying to divert from their own shortcomings.

Summir

[This message has been edited by Summir (edited 11-22-2001).] reg

10:00 AMNot to get off on a tangent or anything, but being to fat or too thin is not like being born blind or with only one leg. Your weight is something you can control.

You can throw the genes issue and the metabolism issue around as much as you want, but the laws of the universe dictate that you can't form something out of nothing, therefor as long as you burn more calories than you ingest, you will lose weight. Vice versa for gaining.

To put weight issues up with conditions that truly can't be helped is wrong.

I see that being no different than making fun of the car a person drives, or the hat they wear. And to those that say that losing wieght is alot more difficult then changing hats, yes it is. But, I'd be willing to bet that most every blind person, if they could gain sight by jogging on a treadmill for a half hour each morning or eating one less meal a day for 6 months, would start to do so in an instant.

'lood reg

10:31 AMSo that makes it ok to laugh and judge peoples personalities by the way they choose to live their lives? or face it some people do have problems physically that may not just stem from consumption vs. intake, that's a very small avenue to travel saying simply it's a matter of what you consume but I'm not going to get into a medical debate here. My point is if someone wants to hate people or make fun of them for who they are, they should do it privately and not try to degrade them to make themselves look better.

Summir reg

11:03 AM
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Originally posted by kelood:
Not to get off on a tangent or anything, but being to fat or too thin is not like being born blind or with only one leg. Your weight is something you can control.

When I was 7 I was very skinny. When I was 15 I weighted 270 lbs. Now that I'm 20 I weight 175 and have 12% body fat (2% less than average for my age/height). Wana know what? Genes may not be to blame but there are many other fowl things at play.

First off, the more weight you gain the more active fat creation becomes. That means that someone who has 15% body fat vs. someone who has about 19% is going to be about 3x as likely to gain fat from food. Also, the chemical signals that tell you you're not hungry begin to weaken in there effect. The more you eat the more desensitized this signal becomes. The more you weight the less calories you burn sitting in front of a computer becomes you need to create less body heat.

Over all the deck is completely stacked against over weight people. In fact, if I hadn't of moved out of my parent's house, been unable to AFFORD to eat for a few years, move into a condo that's four floors (I can now run up and down with a cup of water and not even change in breathing) then I would STILL be over weight.

People have families so they can't devote nearly as much effort as I did. In fact I'm still desensitized to the fact of whether I'm hungry or not.

I cannot for the life of me understand how someone who has never gone through being over weight can even BEGIN to talk about it. Everyone looks at you different, you're treated badly by a large segment of people. And to tell someone who's over weight "just stop eating," you have no idea what you're talking about.

The only thing you're correct about is metabolism being the same or greater for over weight people. But with everything else, what does it matter if doing the same exact activity burns the same exact amount of calories? Given that I use to do everything my skinny friends did, obviously not much. Even when I ate the exact same foods (because we were on rationed camping trips) I would sometimes come out weighting more when my friends weighted less.

--Jonathan Ross, Player of Zachary Haedden reg

11:26 AMThen there are the few people who have medical situations that cause them to gain weight, and those very situations prevent them from being able to lose it in any healthy way.

People taking steroids for life-threatening or debilitating illnesses are a good example. Steroids plump up the fatty tissues and can cause you to retain massive amounts of water. Yet taking diuretics can be deadly if you're actually trying to counterbalance the effects of the steroids, so you end up looking like a jelly-bean with legs and there's *nothing* you can do about it because your diet is probably exactly - I mean *exactly* perfect.

Diabetes is an illness that can afflict the obese, and with diabetes comes very specific dietary needs and medications. In some cases, a diabetic will lose weight as a result of these lifestyle changes. In other cases, they don't. But they *cannot* do anything else beyond what the doctor recommends, and may wind up overweight and have to just live with it in order to be alive.

Having to live with things like I just described, AND having to live with being teased and tormented because of their looks - -is enough stress to cause anyone to wanna just give up and say "screw it, I'm gonna have a hot fudge sundae."

Roberta - slightly round, eating hot fudge sundaes, and smiling contentedly while everyone else expends WAY too much energy worrying about what SHE looks like
reg

12:03 PMI'm fat...and proud of it!

(Buck sixty-five and working on it this Thanksgiving)

reg

05:36 PMWe all proud to say we're fat? Heh... I weighed 320 once...


-Urgoyle, 6'2, 265 pounds... Kind of fun just how strong a kick you can manage, when your legs are used to hauling around your big body... Or the plainly imposing stature you can have... Oh, and if anyone does call me lardass in public or something, it's even more fun, since i only have one real body area to defend, my face, since gut punches don't work when you've so much damage padding, heh :P

I'd love to be thin, sexy, and attractive, but you know, then i'd have to carry a gun if someone like me now decided to attack me... Sometimes it's good being big!....

What does this have to do with not correct banning?... *shrugs* reg