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Should PvP be allowed?

My belief...definitely. I have no idea still why it was ever taken away. Do other games hold PvP in such bad taste as GM's and GH's @ Simu? No. I think that PvP is a part of the game. Bleeds would kill people on the spot if they didn't approach him in a matter that he saw fit. Sagan slaughtered people everywhere just because he was Sagan. Why shouldn't stuff like this still be carried on today?

Yes, I totally understand that the age base of this game has dropped (Which I'm totally in favor of)...I also see the point that a lot of people would just come to the game solely for PvP...what's wrong with that? You'd be scared of those people is my point. That's my only point in the matter.

Would love some feedback from Khaladon and Andraste...as well as David (If ya got the time :P)

[Sorry for stealing your topic idea Roberta and Zachary] reg

1. PvP flag that when activated anyone can attack you for no reason.

2. PvP flag that when activated, only consent for a duel is given. Under this flag would the duel consent verb work.

With this, Simu would never have to get involved.

-Zentalin reg

duel stun zentalin
>You offer to duel Zentalin to FIRST STUN, he now has 30 seconds to ACCEPT or DECLINE your offer.
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Zentalin has accepted your challenge.

Then and only then would we be able to attack each other, only in certain places of course.

Maybe some of the other duel options could be first blood, first strike (first one to actually do damage), limb, or death.

Naramith reg

The Pain - Until they're knocked out and beat down.

The First Hit - First hit!

The First Blood - The first one to bleed loses.

The Stun - The first person to get stun dies.

And you can duel for several reasons, from contest to honor.

And if someone does accept your duel... you can kill them in town and you recieve no fine.

But then, in DR, duels are localized. When you engage someone, they can't run away all over town.

GS has become a "button-presser"'s video game in many ways... GS duels often come down to who's the best Keyboard Cowboy and has the fastest macro in the west. So the duels may still be irritating to see happen in town.

However, I'm in favor of the challenge verb in GS. It would save so much GM time!

- The Klaive! reg

[Statement removed] Their weapon is better then yours, their character is made specifically to kill yours better, so they walk around, in any room, saying 'who'll spar me?'

On occasion, some people do have worthy spars, the default is to 'the pain', the reason, is 'a contest of skill'... And you couldn't believe how violent these people get. [Basically - spelling], to the pain, means you fight until someone dies, or bleeds out, at which time, they collapse to the ground, and their bleeding is halted, and they remain unconscious for like 3-5 minutes <while they regain a little vitality>, then they wake up, and have little time to find an empath.. On occasion, a random roll <i'm guessing 1 in 1000>, will leave someone dead from a spar.

I remember one time i was clashing weapons with a paladin, in a purely roleplayed sense, and he got through my parry, very well i might add, and landed a hit which 'shattered my elbow into grinding splinters, knocking me completely senseless'. Now did this paladin suddenly turn red-eyed, scream 'HAHAHAHAH!!!!!!!!!!!' and proceed to pound my character into oblivion, like any little dewder would?..

Nope, he made a fantastic roleplaying opportunity, my character was bested, he knew that, i accepted.. <happy memory>.. anyway... Now, was he within consent and policy, to pound me until i was dead <unconscious>?.. of course, but that's it, roleplaying is still there, in small pockets, not totally blown to pieces like it is here... Maybe spars should be made for gemstone too...

-Urgoyle... Oh, another fun past-time there, for the PvPers, was to challenge someone, then when they beat the character, while they were unconscious, fed poison to them, like we might pour a potion in someone stunned... But since death still means a lot there, this was cracked down on hard by the staff.

[This message has been edited by Omnirus (edited 11-23-2001).] reg

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Originally posted by Zentalin:
What we need is PvP flags. Seriously. And a duel consent verb. There should be 2 kinds of PvP flags.

1. PvP flag that when activated anyone can attack you for no reason.

2. PvP flag that when activated, only consent for a duel is given. Under this flag would the duel consent verb work.

With this, Simu would never have to get involved.

-Zentalin

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A. It takes 7 days for the the flag to actually change, once the change is made. (this would preclude people from bouncing back and forth).

B. Those persons with the flags turned on, can do the "punch, kick, etc." - however, they would understand the potential downside for their actions.

I'm tired of getting told "they aren't really a threat to you because their punching/slapping, etc. isn't really causing you any harm" and "this isn't considered abuse".

Of course, when I respond with "So, if I just walk around town and punch/slap people - thats ok?", I get told "No, that would be considered abuse and you'd get in trouble".

How hypocritical. Just because you are an older persona, you have to take it. Totally bogus. reg

B. Those persons with the flags turned on, can do the "punch, kick, etc." - however, they would understand the potential downside for their actions.

I also think PvP should be allowed, face it the GM's are trying to make GS more life like by changing the way alterations are done why not the way people act as well? We all know everyone can not get along all the time. The flag is a great idea and the 7 day stick on it also, I could see people picking fights then toggling back to safe zone. GS has incorporated tons of changes since I started playing this one shouldn't be very hard to introduce. Youngins say elders abuse their power but for the most part I really don't think this is a problem unless the youngin deserves it. Being slept or webbed or silenced is too kind in a lot of instances after the snert comes out of it they usually cry foul and start saying elders just abuse their power, I really hate that. I think more elder influence is needed to the younger, newer players. I for one have a rogue that didn't even train to steal when she was young for fear of getting killed. Five years ago it was nothing to get killed when your hands were caught in someone else's pocket. I say let the lessons be learned so they can later be the teachers. Conflict has always been a way of life, let us play it out in GS to stay with the age it is set in.

Summir reg

Summir reg

- The Klaive>>

I'm sorry, but I had to quote this from the other topic. That is a hillarious statement, and because its true! This company has turned me inside out and drug me through flames and sent minions into conferences to berate me and actually put me through a nervous breakdown last year during VegasCon...

And for some sick reason, I still have an account open with them.

I also wanted to comment on the 'its just a game' comment, I just hate hearing this. Because the moment Gemstone actually DOES become "just a game", is the day it goes in the crapper. The only thing holding this symphony of text together is the community.

Once people start realizing there is more out there, they will move on.

reg

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Originally posted by Rhain:
I also wanted to comment on the 'its just a game' comment, I just hate hearing this. Because the moment Gemstone actually DOES become "just a game", is the day it goes in the crapper. The only thing holding this symphony of text together is the community.

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Hmm. Although I follow your argument, it's still JUST a game. Nothing more, nothing less. True, it's a *great* game (IMHO, problems or not), but that's still what it is. A game.

Gemstone III is addictive, I won't deny that. It's very, very fun. But still... you have to distance yourself every now and then and take a deep breath and see the overall picture. I see people get in an absolute huff over such trivial things...

Sure... breakage sucks. The GP project screwed some people over... there's no denying that. I really don't think it's good worrying myself over like I see others do, though. Such stress... and it's so, so unnecessary.

Although it probably seems like I couldn't care less for the welfare of GS, I do. I just know that everything has it's own place. Gemstone III is a fantasy world... and personally, that's it's appeal. A world devoid of the stress, hassles, and problems of normal, everyday work (or college, in my case).

Why bring those things into Gemstone, then? It seems like it would ruin the fun.

((Edited for this disclaimer, and some UBB code: Although I may seem to rant in some places, the overall point should be taken without much problem. It's a game... have fun with it.))

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-Emtel

[This message has been edited by Emtel (edited 11-26-2001).]

[This message has been edited by Emtel (edited 11-26-2001).] reg

Should PvP be allowed?

PvP -is- allowed IF it is consentual between players, roleplayed out, and no one else is involved in ANY manner, without first consenting.

My belief...definitely. I have no idea still why it was ever taken away. Do other games hold PvP in such bad taste as GM's and GH's @ Simu? No. I think that PvP is a part of the game. Bleeds would kill people on the spot if they didn't approach him in a matter that he saw fit. Sagan slaughtered people everywhere just because he was Sagan. Why shouldn't stuff like this still be carried on today?

It was never taken away, instead, Policy has been more strictly enforced to deal with those who are violating Policy (4). They are the people who attack without reason or unwarranted, do absolutely no roleplaying around the conflict (which would certainly make it MUCH easier to tell if it was consentual roleplay or a unconsented/unwarranted PvP attack), and othewise abuse or skirt Policy.

As for Bleeds... he didn't attack people for no reaon, or without warning, or without some roleplaying surrounding the event... unlike some of the folks in the game that think all they extent of RP they need to do is:
Bad Ass Sorcerer: Touch me again and you will die.
Little Snert: >touch Bad Ass
Bad Ass Sorcerer: Prep 720 Cast at Little Snert.
* Little Snert just bit the dust!

--A.

[This message has been edited by GMAndraste (edited 11-27-2001).] reg

Aerienne reg

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Originally posted by Emtel:
Hmm. Although I follow your argument, it's still JUST a game. Nothing more, nothing less.

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To you.

GemStone III is many things to many people.

To some, it is "the other world in which they live". To them, everything that happens there is just as important or more important than what happens in the physical world.

Keep that in mind.

- The Klaive reg

So many options here for actual roleplay opportunity. But its missed.. oh.. sure theres holes that need to be plugged to prevent abuse but.. it isn't that hard.
personally. my favorite mud was open PK. It wasnt the primary factor, and wasnt a major thing cept for clanwars/item obtaining, but it was there.. If someone insulted my mage to where i felt the need to reply with force, he surely regretted it. The fact im forced to deal with problems irl and then deal with them in game here, with stricter punishments than irl.. is a bit odd to me.

I mean, irl, if i get into a fight with someone, i can report self defense. Half the time in GS that excuse doesnt hold up.
Also, if you "report" etc.. and a gm interferes, you forever get the title of being a whiny reporter instead of standin up for yourself. I train my chars to be strong, i want them to be strong. I dont want my reputation ruined by some little arse thats sayin im a whiny GM reporter.

See my points here? You're striving for realism, yet moving father away from it. reg

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Originally posted by bezerker:
[B]i want them to be strong. I dont want my reputation ruined by some little arse thats sayin im a whiny GM reporter.
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No, it's the other way around, trust me, your reputation is ruined BY the whiny GM reporter, who says you're abusing your powers by doing anything to them. reg

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Originally posted by Rhain:
<<Simutronics could set the majority of their customers on FIRE and not have to worry about any account cancellations.

- The Klaive>>

I'm sorry, but I had to quote this from the other topic. That is a hillarious statement, and because its true! This company has turned me inside out and drug me through flames and sent minions into conferences to berate me and actually put me through a nervous breakdown last year during VegasCon...

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Any chance you could go into details? I'm curious about what they do to people in person who hate them and their actions... I'm a bit.. interested too... <wide smile> reg

What Rhaindrop went through was hashed out for many weeks in both the Simu and the other boards, both sides of the issue were seen to at least some extent. It was an emotionally charged issue all around, and there's no need to ask Rhain to dig it all back up again.

She's talking about something that happened in the past, to point out that even people who have issues with Simu staff still continue to play the game - herself included.

If you want to turn every folder into a flame-fest against Simu, I suggest you open your own BBS.

I have my own issues with them, as do I'm sure many many other people. But there's a time and a place for it and this isn't it. This folder is about PvP. Please stick with the topic.

R
reg

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Originally posted by Klaive:
To you. GemStone III is many things to many people.

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Maybe so, but it's still just a game! ::screams::

Don't make it more than what it is.

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-Emtel reg

Any chance I get to go over it again, it helps me get to closure...(which still, obviously, has not happened yet)..

And ~R~, since when did you turn into such a heavy hand? Don't forget these boards are here so we can be brutally honest and open...

reg

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Originally posted by GMAndraste:
[Cleaned up the post to remove my name and made the quoting with HTML coding work: Omnirus]
[b]Bad Ass Sorcerer: Touch me again and you will die.
Little Snert: >touch Bad Ass
Bad Ass Sorcerer: Prep 720 Cast at Little Snert.
* Little Snert just bit the dust!

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Bad Ass Sorceror is in the right in this situation. He warns them to keep their hands off him, and yet they continually touch,poke, prod him for NO REASON other than to aggravate and gode. Since that is what they are looking for, that is what they should get. If it is me in this situation, I'm not looking to start explaining to this person the why's and wherefores that I do not want to be touched. They were warned, and chose to ignore the warning. Then it is time to pay the consequences.

Just because Bad Ass Sorceror can kill Snert with a wink, does not make him the one responsible for the situation. If Snert was truly roleplaying, he wouldn't be intentionally aggravating someone that could blast him out of his boots.

Unfortunately, if things go awry for Snert, he has his hand ready to REPORT, and things really start to spiral out of control.

Murp

[This message has been edited by Omnirus (edited 11-28-2001).] reg

I have gone WAY BEYOND what was required to tell people what is consent or not. The typical player would just ignore it and say I will report you if you do that. I would tell them in crystal clear terms that IF they continued a certain behavior as in touching my character it would be consent to CvC. OOC whispers even would be included to make sure that other player would understand.

The fact is GM's say one thing here on a bulletin board, but in game you will get hung out to dry if you do anything about it.

Play a Bleed's style character and good luck. If you are not buddy buddy with the In crowd you will see a lot of the lockout cell.

Hiway reg

Now, back to the topic please - PvP.

R
reg

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Originally posted by Truth:
Bad Ass Sorceror is in the right in this situation. He warns them to keep their hands off him, and yet they continually touch,poke, prod him for NO REASON other than to aggravate and gode. Since that is what they are looking for, that is what they should get. If it is me in this situation, I'm not looking to start explaining to this person the why's and wherefores that I do not want to be touched. They were warned, and chose to ignore the warning. Then it is time to pay the consequences.

Just because Bad Ass Sorceror can kill Snert with a wink, does not make him the one responsible for the situation. If Snert was truly roleplaying, he wouldn't be intentionally aggravating someone that could blast him out of his boots.

Unfortunately, if things go awry for Snert, he has his hand ready to REPORT, and things really start to spiral out of control.

Murp

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Doesn't thrak tell the kids 'Not to annoy some lord or lady to the point where they wanna blast you out of your muddy boots'? I really think thrak should be recoded, to tell all the new players, how easy and simple it is for them to ruin years and years of work, through annoyances, false reporting, and crying wolf. reg

Bud I hate to burst your bubble, but you are just a number in a long line of the same thing that has been done for many years.

I know it might appear as some injustice, but the sad truth is this is normal.

Think of it this way. You got a group of people who have no real power or recognition in the real world. These same people are not attracted monetarily to something yet there has to be some motivation. Like personalities attract like personalities, especially when they are hired for these same attributes. The scheme if you will is the proverbial they like to eavesdrop and mess with people anonymously. The really ingenious thing is the tag of customer support is tacked onto this.

No one is surprised over your situation or appalled. It is old hat.

Go meet a few of them first hand. The picture will become so clear you will literally smack yourself in the head saying over and over "I am dumb".

Hiway
reg

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Originally posted by Truth:
If Snert was truly roleplaying, he wouldn't be intentionally aggravating someone that could blast him out of his boots.

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Roleplaying doesn't mean you have to be nice. His character could be a snert, but his player should know that there might be consequences.

That said, the sorcerer should face an in-game penalty of some sort. Extend the accuse verb beyond stealing; save REPORT for only the "killing spree" folks - the completely unprovoked attacks against multiple people.

If, in real life, some idiot 18 year old (so we're dealing with an adult) keeps poking and tickling you, and you say, "If you keep poking me, I'll beat you into a bloody pulp," you're not all of a sudden absolved of any blame. If he pokes you, and you turn around and break his arm (and both his legs, his jaw and cheekbone, and knock out a few teeth), you'll very likely be facing serious civil and criminal charges. reg

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Originally posted by Omnirus:
as well as David (If ya got the time :P)

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He doesn't read here anymore.
reg

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Originally posted by NoOneImportant:

He doesn't read here anymore.

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How would you know? reg

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Originally posted by Hiway:
Urgoyle's player,

Bud I hate to burst your bubble, but you are just a number in a long line of the same thing that has been done for many years.

I know it might appear as some injustice, but the sad truth is this is normal.

Think of it this way. You got a group of people who have no real power or recognition in the real world. These same people are not attracted monetarily to something yet there has to be some motivation. Like personalities attract like personalities, especially when they are hired for these same attributes. The scheme if you will is the proverbial they like to eavesdrop and mess with people anonymously. The really ingenious thing is the tag of customer support is tacked onto this.

No one is surprised over your situation or appalled. It is old hat.

Go meet a few of them first hand. The picture will become so clear you will literally smack yourself in the head saying over and over "I am dumb".

Hiway

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Oh, i've already got some plans set up for gemstone gatherings, heh...
reg

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Originally posted by Gnomad:
Roleplaying doesn't mean you have to be nice. His character could be a snert, but his player should know that there might be consequences.

That said, the sorcerer should face an in-game penalty of some sort. Extend the accuse verb beyond stealing; save REPORT for only the "killing spree" folks - the completely unprovoked attacks against multiple people.

If, in real life, some idiot 18 year old (so we're dealing with an adult) keeps poking and tickling you, and you say, "If you keep poking me, I'll beat you into a bloody pulp," you're not all of a sudden absolved of any blame. If he pokes you, and you turn around and break his arm (and both his legs, his jaw and cheekbone, and knock out a few teeth), you'll very likely be facing serious civil and criminal charges.

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Gnomad, how many times must it be HAMMERED into your, and our head, or anyone elses... THIS IS NOT REAL LIFE...

Damnitall, it's a one way street, unless you're a GM... if you get in trouble, they start going 'well if you did this and this in real life, you'd get in trouble' and then if you ever try to apply some of that logic back at them, they'll say 'This is gemstone, this is not real life, you're wrong'..

Nothing pisses a GM off more then being what you should... polite, concise, proper, and correct... and if you're smarter then them, and they start to get flustered with your logic... *BZZZZ!!!!!* down the drain you go.

-Goyle reg

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Originally posted by Urgoyle:
Gnomad, how many times must it be HAMMERED into your, and our head, or anyone elses... THIS IS NOT REAL LIFE...

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I understand, that's why the situation in real life I proposed is different; I meant for the two to be paralells. You get resurrected in game, but it's at a (supposedly) decent cost and recovery time.

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Damnitall, it's a one way street, unless you're a GM... if you get in trouble, they start going 'well if you did this and this in real life, you'd get in trouble' and then if you ever try to apply some of that logic back at them, they'll say 'This is gemstone, this is not real life, you're wrong'..

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As I see it, there should be OOG punishments for OOG violations, and IG punishments for IG violations.

Scripting, bug exploiting and the like should get you pulled away.

You meteor stormed the park? Well, we happen to have a nice cell for you that should drain your powers until your public execution comes around. What's that, you say? Lorminstra says she'll weigh the sum of your deeds and see if they are enough to take this black mark from your soul? Until then, you're stuck in limbo? Hrm? So, you did come back, grand total of 30 days later, but you're down from 70 deeds to 3, and buying new ones is a heck lot more expensive now?

Tough. reg

He doesn't read here anymore.
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How would you know?>>>

Because she moved to St Louis and they are "really close"....

You've seen her www.davidwhatley.com

reg

How would you know?>>>

Because she moved to St Louis and they are "really close"....

You've seen her www.davidwhatley.com

So basically he may not read here, but he'll get the message.

Summir reg

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Originally posted by Rhain:
<<<Originally posted by NoOneImportant:

He doesn't read here anymore.

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I know Rhain.

I was just teasing her.

It's been expressed here before...and Siara/NOI/Specto anyone else that's on that bandwagon got their panties in a bunch. reg

I'm just glad to see a place that doesn't care if you are on Simutronics payroll or not...

reg

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Originally posted by Rhain:

Yah, I was just being sarcastic too

I'm just glad to see a place that doesn't care if you are on Simutronics payroll or not...

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Ah...

Sorry Rhain <duck>

Sometimes it's hard to see sarcasm through typed words. reg

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Originally posted by Summir:
So basically he may not read here, but he'll get the message.

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Whatley is too cool for player's corner reg

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Originally posted by Omnirus:
I know Rhain.

I was just teasing her.

It's been expressed here before...and Siara/NOI/Specto anyone else that's on that bandwagon got their panties in a bunch.

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Omni, if I am a GM right now, so help me, the next SimuCon, I will get down on my knees, unzip your damn pants with my teeth and suck you dry in front of the entire attending mob.

As far as I know, I've yet to receive as much as a hundred silvers for any favoritism or compensation. A set of damage padded plate in my next box would be a great X-mas present if anyone's reading though... reg

That's just sick. I wouldn't be amused at all.

Summir reg

One will be more preferable from a personal perspective.

One will yield *much* more interesting photos.

On the bandwagon indeed! reg

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Originally posted by Specto:
One will yield *much* more interesting photos.

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Can I take the photos if I finally go this year? :P

Bianca, just kidding

[This message has been edited by Bianca (edited 12-02-2001).] reg

1. Kaliopia is not a 'disney' sorceress and I don't have a problem roleplaying her. I've not had any PvP situations end in some bloody mess "upstairs". Of course, I don't go around with a heavy hand looking for people to slaughter either.

PvP is the best. Interaction is just one of the many things that makes this game so much fun. If I wanted to play a computer, I'd get an Xbox.

2. And I know this is off topic, but I had to say it...I read these boards off and on and post rarely. But I just gotta say I find one thing rather humorous...you all talk about the 'in crowd'...you're your own in crowd. So many inside jokes and who knows who I can't even keep up! Not complaining or anything, just making an observation. ( This thought was drawn up in reply to a few previous posts on the 'mystery poster'...I still have no clue who you're talking about! )

~Kaliopia reg

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Originally posted by Kaliopia:
...I still have no clue who you're talking about! )

~Kaliopia

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I don't bash Simu. Doing so is popular on these boards. I do think there are some bad apples. I tend to believe the good ones outnumber the bad.

I do think there are a number of things that need to be changed. Some are big, some are small. Instead of talking about how I'm going to sue Simu, go behind their backs, how stupid Policy or GM X is, or talk about how they're a world-domination conspiracy with myself as their first target, I've chosen a different tack.

Keep my nose clean for a couple of years. Make sure I'm doing the right thing ingame, and noticably so. Create enjoyable RP that involves others, using my main characters and youngsters nobody has seen before. Get noticed. Submit GM application. Receive a 'thanks, we'll keep you in mind' reply.

Repeat ad nauseam until they change the reply.

Give up what little life I have while attempting to become an experienced GM. Stock up on batteries, 'cause boy am I gonna need them. Begin submitting suggestions for improvement on weaknesses in Gemstone and methods for solution. (Insert appropriate buzzwords here.) Get told, "no". Submit different suggestions until a "yes" is heard. Go fix problem, shuffle list, ask players about new problems and ways to solve them, start over again.

It'll probably take another 5 years before I'm even able to get past the 'thanks we'll keep you in mind' part. That's okay. I'm a very patient person. reg

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Originally posted by Specto:
I don't bash Simu. Doing so is popular on these boards..

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Wish i thought about that before i started posting some truth, and they decided to respond to my postings on a player-run-non-simu-owned-site by giving me hellish experiences with the game because of it...

Let that be a lesson everyone, censorship is everywhere... and speaking of which, anyone want to maybe start a secret forum?... where we collect GM IPs, ban every 'play.net' address, and basicly hide and plot in secret, to drive them crazy?... Maybe we could form a secret hacker task force to go after them too, or maybe get a bunch of RC hobbiests to build us an attack squadron of little flying helicoptors with knives on the landing skiffs, and little cameras to see where you fly.... oh, and a VR simulator for that.... oh, and we'd call them killer bees too...

And even if we didn't, them knowing that secret SECRET plotting was going on behind their back, would drive them insane... Since simu is an information giant, quite obviously... why else would staffers post here? Except to

1 :Drum up support.
2:Find the 'I love <name a gm>!!!!' people, to be nice to
3:Find the 'I hate simu!!!!' people, to be mean to
4:Take a break from warning people for sneezing.
5:Maybe <hahahahahahahah etc.> just maybe, post innocently... but some disinformation theory makes more sense.... still, i have to show every possible explanation.... unlike SOME people.

Urgoyle 'O is for "Oh me god, them bastards went and did it again"' Stellerax

Oh, quick poll too... How many simu employees think that name quote was a direct jab at the company, and not an obscure south park referance?... If the answer is 'More then %95', then add paranoia to the list of charges... I find it funny i even need to clarify this $h!t... wonder who'll edit that out, heh...

[Edited once, to disable the damn smilies.. who's next?]

[This message has been edited by Urgoyle (edited 12-03-2001).] reg

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Originally posted by Kaliopia:
Couple things...

But I just gotta say I find one thing rather humorous...you all talk about the 'in crowd'...you're your own in crowd.

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I don't totally agree with this. I agree and disagree with much of what is posted on these boards by friends as well as people I dislike. These boards aren't a big clique..I mean look how much difference of opinion is posted daily. Certainly there are some people that are classified into certain groups. Some I would consider to be part of the "in crowd," while others fit into other groups.

I reread my post and it didn't even make sense to me now, but posting anyway.

Mike

Zanagan/Zarosa

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heh ... that should be interesting

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reg

Well, we certainly can't force people to post good things about GS. We have the Gemstone Gems to contrast this folder, but you can't expect us to force others to post there.

A lot of nonSimu bashing is also done on these boards every day in folder such as Events and Invasions, the profession folders, the hunting folders, roleplaying folders. Hell, I'm not in love with Simu, but GS is a great game and I appreciate playing it and those who provide and maintain it. Think I'd spend my time administrating these boards otherwise? I don't think many others would either.

Information and exchange of ideas is what we aim for, and it isn't perfect, but I think this place is one that has shown excellent improvement as well as growth and we have a wide range of posters and moderators. I mean heck, I just posted 2 weeks ago that the boards reached 2 million hits. We're now almost at 3 million, and I'm thankful that you guys are around with your 83 posts of various opinions across 23 active topics. Just last month it was only 42 active posts a day on average.

Any improvements you're interested in seeing here that can be applied to the boards as a whole can be mailed to chronomaster@home.com. I promise you I'll read them and also take them into consideration as I have done in the past.

- Lord Kranar, human Archwizard

[This message has been edited by LordKranar (edited 12-05-2001).] reg

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Originally posted by Specto:
I don't bash Simu. Doing so is popular on these boards. I do think there are some bad apples. I tend to believe the good ones outnumber the bad.

I do think there are a number of things that need to be changed. Some are big, some are small. Instead of talking about how I'm going to sue Simu, go behind their backs, how stupid Policy or GM X is, or talk about how they're a world-domination conspiracy with myself as their first target, I've chosen a different tack.

Keep my nose clean for a couple of years. Make sure I'm doing the right thing ingame, and noticably so. Create enjoyable RP that involves others, using my main characters and youngsters nobody has seen before. Get noticed. Submit GM application. Receive a 'thanks, we'll keep you in mind' reply.

Repeat ad nauseam until they change the reply.

Give up what little life I have while attempting to become an experienced GM. Stock up on batteries, 'cause boy am I gonna need them. Begin submitting suggestions for improvement on weaknesses in Gemstone and methods for solution. (Insert appropriate buzzwords here.) Get told, "no". Submit different suggestions until a "yes" is heard. Go fix problem, shuffle list, ask players about new problems and ways to solve them, start over again.

It'll probably take another 5 years before I'm even able to get past the 'thanks we'll keep you in mind' part. That's okay. I'm a very patient person.

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To put this in a nice way...

I don't appreciate it when you and NOI say that it's a good habit to bash Simu on these boards.

Please don't talk about these boards in that manner. As Kranar has pointed out I know that a lot of members have posted in the Gemstone Gems folder about how they've had several good run-in's with Simu employees. It's not a favorite thing to flame Simutronics' employees here. Although it is fun seeing how many times you and NOI say we do.
reg

Let's face it, if there was nothing to debate about, there wouldn't be BBSes around. And it makes for amusing reading....Otherwise, why do you keep coming back for more?

Aerienne
reg

You are very amusing. I don't edit your posts because they only makes your true self shine through.

Gotta love the void coming from that direction.

edge reg

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Originally posted by edge:
Wow Specto. You talk about blowing a guy on these boards.

You are very amusing. I don't edit your posts because they only makes your true self shine through.

Gotta love the void coming from that direction.

edge

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Void? As in the loud sucking sound?

I just have one question. Would you:

1) Point and stare
2) Take pictures for later
3) Get in line
4) Ask if I'm getting any ingame benefit and decide whether or not it would be worth it to get down on your knees
5) Other reg

How about you put a little 'by accessing this site, you certify that you are not a simutronics employee, or, if you are a simutronics employee, that everything you read, post about, and do on these boards, stays ON THIS BOARD ONLY, and WILL HAVE NO IN GAME EFFECT EVER'

Urgoyle 'E is for "Everyone would be satisfied with that, no?"' Stellerax reg

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Originally posted by Omnirus:

To put this in a nice way...

I don't appreciate it when you and NOI say that it's a good habit to bash Simu on these boards.

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A good habit? No, and if you'll read that quote carefully, you'll note that was not said. A popular thing to do? Yes. Does it really matter one way or another? Not really.

After I saw someone who killed a younger character of mine who had never seen him before post here that the GMs are against him and told him he can't defend himself, it was a quick reality check. Anyone who believes everything they read, here, on the Simu boards or elsewhere, is a fool. I just get tired sometimes of having to do so much sorting and reading between the lines.

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Please don't talk about these boards in that manner. As Kranar has pointed out I know that a lot of members have posted in the Gemstone Gems folder about how they've had several good run-in's with Simu employees.

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You're right. I took the time to load up the entire Gemstone Gems folder, and there was a good 30, 35 positive posts there since that folder opened.

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It's not a favorite thing to flame Simutronics' employees here. Although it is fun seeing how many times you and NOI say we do.

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Kranar was more honest. He said that there's a lot of nonSimu bashing that goes on here. Anyone and everyone is a potential target, Simu or not. I take some, I dish some. I think it's fun to see how many times people bait and smear GMs or Simu and yet when someone mentions it, the hackles go up.
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I think it's hilarious.

Buttering up the Gemstone Gems folder? Hmm...well because you're good at it. reg

The BBS has 10,000 posts on it, 3000 posts are in here and another 2800 are shared amongst Off-Topic, Board Issues, and Moderation. That leaves a good 4500 posts left to discuss information and other interesting aspects of GS!

Oh and as for the @home e-mail aspect, my @home e-mail address still works.

- Lord Kranar, human Archwizard reg

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Originally posted by Omnirus:
[B]What's actually funnier is seeing you kiss-up

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Why would I 'kiss up'? Ask a random GM who my characters are and you'll have a better idea. I choose not to disclose who my characters are because I knew when I signed onto this board that many of my opinions would be unpopular. I'd rather not face ingame repercussions, virii sent my way, seeing snide remarks about my personal life here and other little nasties I've observed in the Gemstone community directed to me.

Could the possibility actually exist that I choose not to believe that Simutronics is inherently evil (or actually attempting to drive themselves out of business for the past 10 years) and that people who believe that either got a bad experience or have a persecution complex? Naaaah. You're right, the GMs are out to get you. Yes, you. Be afraid, be very afraid. Soon, the black helicopters will be hovering over your house.
reg

And nope, I post a lot of opposing viewpoints not only here, but did on the official boards until Simutronics deleted so many of them to sweep things under the rug I quit.

Point out your opinion on flaws in management and structure with actual suggestions and your post will be removed faster than you can say Simutronics.

Hiway reg

I found when you face them. Then they really wasn't worth being scared of.

So what can happen to you if you let people know who you was?

Nasty emails? Oh my god!

Someone harasses you ingame? Well, that's against policy. You can report report report. My favorite is. Leave the room. Unpresence...etc.

What other things can happen that you need to secret identity on these boards? Not like someone is going to walk over to your house and kick your arse.

Someone might IM you and call you names? I get that. But I enjoy those.

Scan you PC? Firewall.

Send you a virus? that can happen without someone knowing you.

Oh wait. Someone might then have dirt on you. Because you are doing something wrong. You need to hide your identity.

Ah ha. I might be onto something.

But since you said Virii harrased you and sent you emails. I will go ask him who you are.

Better get me a wheelbarrel for all the dirt I might find.

edge reg

1:Person at voln, who thought kicking me 30 times in 10 seconds would be funny... i told him to stop, he kept it up.. dragged him down the silent path,he kept it up, so i went to give him a voln kick <almost got 'im too> he kept it up, kept it up, kept it up, kept it up, <axe to the head> suddenly stopped.

2:Person on the boulder... Dragged me off the boulder, went back up, snickered... I went to drag him, his group was closed, so i used empathy to make him run away... then suddenly he comes leaping out of hiding to attack at me, swinging his weapon at 500+AS with all his lil crystals and COL signs, then had all his old friends spell him up... Was lovely watching the magic peel offa him once he failed to avoid a boil/implode combo...

3:The person who wanted to battle me the other month i got locked out for... the 'Fine, go ahead and try to kill me, you think that will stop me?' person <that's not consent, he was just trying to get my goat, says krylan>

And those are over the last 6 months-1 year... I wish i had GM friends like some of the boulder crowd... how many people up there kill 5-10 others a DAY and still get away without one single warning?... 3 legit kills in a year, and i'm mister horrible.

There is no more honorable a weapon then truth itself...

-Goyle
[Edited to include third kill... one shouldn't 'omit' certain things, due to lack of memory..... or just wanting to, eh specto?]

[This message has been edited by Urgoyle (edited 12-08-2001).] reg

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Originally posted by Omnirus:

To put this in a nice way...

I don't appreciate it when you and NOI say that it's a good habit to bash Simu on these boards.

Please don't talk about these boards in that manner. As Kranar has pointed out I know that a lot of members have posted in the Gemstone Gems folder about how they've had several good run-in's with Simu employees. It's not a favorite thing to flame Simutronics' employees here. Although it is fun seeing how many times you and NOI say we do.

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I don't really appreciate my personal life being brought up every time someone disagrees with what I have to say, but you all don't seem to give a rat's rear end about that. One thing I've learned here is that you'll say what you want to say, I'll say what I want to say and neither of those things will change.

So your request for me to stop saying most people on this board like to bash Simu?

Denied.

[This message has been edited by NoOneImportant (edited 12-09-2001).] reg

Sonic reg

If they didn't then Simu would have lots more satisfied customers and would have a much larger player base.

Look at some of the best games ever made. There is always a critic. All I am doing is providing those critic and non-critics who have experienced problems air their frustrations.

And I always tell people. If there is some aspect about your like you are embarased about, and don't want everyone to know. Maybe you should re-examine why you do or involve your self in things that are or could be potentially embarassing.

Just my two cents.

Buckwheet

PS. There is not one aspect of my life I am ashamed of. Yeah I made mistakes. I learned from them. I moved on. reg

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Originally posted by Buckwheet:
By all means feel free to say that some or most of the people here like to bash Simu.

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I will.

Someone told me (and Specto) to stop saying that people here bash Simu, I said no.

Enough said. reg

NOI, I don't agree with all the comments made to you (or made on this board), but I think sometimes you set yourself up for it. If you post, or write about personal aspects of your life, people are going to comment on it. It reminds me of a saying..."If you don't want 'em to fire that gun, don't hand 'em the ammunition"!

In regards to "bashing Simu", there are plenty of positive and informative posts here. I agree, there is a lot of venting and negativity, but where else can people talk about these things? Anything that even hints of a concern, or complaint gets pulled on the GS Official Boards.

I can appreciate that you are defending your friends, and displaying your loyalty to them. But, it's just unrealistic to think that all of the decisions made by your friends are ALWAYS right, that confidential information isn't leaked, that favoritism isn't shown, etc., etc., etc.

Summer reg

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Originally posted by Summerlyn:
<< I don't really appreciate my personal life being brought up every time someone disagrees with what I have to say, but you all don't seem to give a rat's rear end about that.>> NOI

NOI, I don't agree with all the comments made to you (or made on this board), but I think sometimes you set yourself up for it. If you post, or write about personal aspects of your life, people are going to comment on it. It reminds me of a saying..."If you don't want 'em to fire that gun, don't hand 'em the ammunition"!

In regards to "bashing Simu", there are plenty of positive and informative posts here. I agree, there is a lot of venting and negativity, but where else can people talk about these things? Anything that even hints of a concern, or complaint gets pulled on the GS Official Boards.

I can appreciate that you are defending your friends, and displaying your loyalty to them. But, it's just unrealistic to think that all of the decisions made by your friends are ALWAYS right, that confidential information isn't leaked, that favoritism isn't shown, etc., etc., etc.

Summer

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Hey Summer -

I never once said that GMs are perfect angels who never make mistakes. There have been GMs who leak (hell there are some right now who do), there are GMs who have been caught breaking the rules. There are always bad apples.

As far as the things about my personal life...it's constantly brought up in completely irrelevent situations. I say "billing has always been good when I've dealt with them" and I get comments about silicon greasing the wheels of corporation or some BS like that.

Me saying that David doesn't post here anymore isn't an invitation for everyone to start discussing my personal relationships with him or anyone else. Sorry, but it isn't. And if you don't believe me when I say he doesn't post here, e-mail him and ask. SIMU-DAVID@play.net. reg

I'm wasn't referring just to that post, NOI. I was really referring to comments that were copied from your website about your personal relationships and living arrangements. I think all that is YOUR business, and in a perfect world they wouldn't be considered when you state your opinions. I'm just trying to say (and probably not doing a very good job at it), that if you do choose to be that open about your business, you can't be surprised, or annoyed when people comment about it.

I don't have a website, I don't post personal information, I don't have pictures flying all over. I'm not looking to hook up, I don't need to be stroked, and I don't have any interest in what inter-net people think about my personal business, or my appearance. I've been in Gemstone for a while, and a moderator on these boards for a few months, and except for ONE person, the most anyone knows about me is that I'm from the West Coast, and I work in law enforcement.

Everyone is entitled to their opinions, and has a right to do what's comfortable for them. Apparently, some people are comfortable with sharing intimate, personal facts and feelings on websites....that's fine for them. But, I think they need to be prepared for people stating their opinions, and being judgmental and critical.

Summer reg

And in regards to writing the Main Man, "been there, done that".... he didn't respond.

Summer

[This message has been edited by Summerlyn (edited 12-10-2001).] reg

In a word. Yes.

If you feel the need to be public with your journal with your website, PASSWORD protect it, if you need to pose provacatively for the CEO of the game we come on these boards to talk about, maybe you should be a little more open to discussion about your personal life with him...

Because *R*, the goings-on of David Whatley are actually of some interest when it comes to the game and how the business is managed...Just like when any other CEO of any other business or any other government position has something going on in their life...

You are putting YOURSELF in that position, and if you don't like being talked about, like Summer said : Don't give us anything to talk about.

reg

me: "I think the people at billing are really helpful."

next person: "Yeah well, you sleep with David Whatley! So there!"

Come on. It's pathetic. You want to discuss my personal life, go ahead. Make a whole damn thread just about me. They already do it in the mod folder.

I just think it's moronic that it comes up in every debate especially when it's completely unrelated. I know personal stuff about half the people who post here, but you don't see me bringing it up every time I disagree with them. There's just as much dirt flying around about you Ginger, including pictures far worse than me sitting on a bed in a short skirt. Do I bring that up every time you take a pot shot at me? No. Cause it's unrelated and I really don't care what you do on your personal time or at Simucon/VegasCon. To each their own.

reg

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Originally posted by NoOneImportant:
MY whole point is that these personal attacks come out of nowhere in the middle of a debate about something completely unrelated.

me: "I think the people at billing are really helpful."

next person: "Yeah well, you sleep with David Whatley! So there!"

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Hmmm, that was NOT the comment that was made after you posted your billing comment. If you changed it to make a point, than that should be made clear to the reader.

NOI, I'm going to try one more time... you write about your personal business on a website that is available to the public. Almost every other post you comment on what "David" is doing, or not doing, or saying, or not saying, you quote "inside" info. Are people suppose to ignore, and forget all that when you are defending your friends here?

It's a double-edged sword, if you want everyone to know that you have "juice" with the CEO and staff, then be prepared to have that taken into consideration when people respond to your posts. If you want your posts to be read for their content without your personal situation brought into it, then stop blabbing about it.

Summer

[This message has been edited by Summerlyn (edited 12-10-2001).] reg

LOL! I think the difference, Ryllina, is that I don't care, and you *obviously* do..

Actually to ammend that, because I'm not taking shots at you personally, I'm trying to explain Summer's point..the fact that you DO care what people say about you on some forum board, or website, or convention is kind of odd...since you put yourself out there like that. I already know that I put myself out there like that, and fully expect comments from the peanut gallery on everything I do in life..

~Ginger

[This message has been edited by Rhain (edited 12-10-2001).] reg

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Originally posted by Summerlyn:
NOI, I don't agree with all the comments made to you (or made on this board), but I think sometimes you set yourself up for it. If you post, or write about personal aspects of your life, people are going to comment on it. It reminds me of a saying..."If you don't want 'em to fire that gun, don't hand 'em the ammunition"!

In regards to "bashing Simu", there are plenty of positive and informative posts here. I agree, there is a lot of venting and negativity, but where else can people talk about these things? Anything that even hints of a concern, or complaint gets pulled on the GS Official Boards.

I can appreciate that you are defending your friends, and displaying your loyalty to them. But, it's just unrealistic to think that all of the decisions made by your friends are ALWAYS right, that confidential information isn't leaked, that favoritism isn't shown, etc., etc., etc.

Summer

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Funny, I've been reading these boards for a while and haven't once seen NOI say anything about their personal life, other than they know and communicate with David Whatley.

It has been other posters who have made comments, including a link to a personal Web site, and discussion of the material therein, which doesn't say much for those posters.

Heed the words of Kranar. You want to attack the product, fine. You want to attack the people on a personal level, not fine.

S.D.
reg

I'm one of the most clueless people here. I don't know who plays what character, I don't know the "dirt" on anyone else, I don't know who is sleeping with who, etc. And I don't want to know ANY of that stuff. Something may get shoved in front of my face, and I'll think "Oh!" for a second, and then in most cases I completely forget the juicy little tidbit. I just don't care about all that.

And just to show you how brain dead I am, I totally forgot what character NOI played until it was mentioned again in this thread. I like that character, and have been trying to "steal" some leather pants from her for months!

Summer

[This message has been edited by Summerlyn (edited 12-10-2001).] reg

There was a private discussion in the Mod folder that someone showed a friend. Then the discussion was sent to Melissa. Then Melissa showed Whatley. Then Whatley showed NOI. Then NOI came onto the boards and posted about it and make a bunch of accusations.

Then NOI posted personal things about me and made a challenge to me on her webpage. Then she took the challenge down. Most likely because I would take her up on the challenge.

Now she wonders why people, especially me. Take shots at her.

What I say to someone in private is between me and the people I say it to. Like she says stuff about me to her friends and so on. But now she brought it to the boards and I will be damned if I will feel sorry for her.

You want it to be personal and want us to talk about your personal life NOI. We can hun. What is funny. I live close to you and know a few people you know. So, I would not even go there.

Plus, I attract ever bit of gossip in the lands for some reason. Maybe it's because of my Mod position. But I get emails on so much stuff that I DON'T post. So you better be real happy I don't let people know about all your skeletons.

You take your shots at me to. So don't try and act innocent. The difference is. I don't care and you do.

edge reg

<shrug> reg

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Originally posted by Summerlyn:
If you read back a few posts, NOI quoted a statement that she MADE up regarding a personal relationship. No one said that statement in regards to her billing comment. It's things like that, that flame the fire.

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That was an example, not a true quote (which is why I didn't put any names to it).

I can't remember the exact quote in regards to my billing statement but I believe it was something along the lines of "silicon greases the wheels of corporate" or something like that. <shrug> No clue what it meant.

But there have been other times where people posted veiled remarks about my personal life in response to a statement I made that was completely irrelevent.

THAT is the whole point that you all seem to be missing. Instead of responding to me and discussiong the issue, people take it to a personal attack. THAT is what I don't like.

The thread in the mod folder bothered me, but oh well. I don't think it should have been there or have ever been leaked.. what I don't know can't hurt me, right? That's over and done with and is in the past, in my mind.

reg

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Originally posted by Rhain:
<<There's just as much dirt flying around about you Ginger, including pictures far worse than me sitting on a bed in a short skirt. Do I bring that up every time you take a pot shot at me? >>

LOL! I think the difference, Ryllina, is that I don't care, and you *obviously* do..

Actually to ammend that, because I'm not taking shots at you personally, I'm trying to explain Summer's point..the fact that you DO care what people say about you on some forum board, or website, or convention is kind of odd...since you put yourself out there like that. I already know that I put myself out there like that, and fully expect comments from the peanut gallery on everything I do in life..

~Ginger

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The point isn't the comments about my life, Ginger. It's that they're brought up whenever anyone disagrees with me for no apparent reason. reg

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Try 'landfill' edge, you'll need plenty of space for this... Because in an earlier post, he insinuated i killed a younger

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Was not you, Urgoyle. If you took it as such, my apologies.
reg

I rest my case.

Hiway reg

"Santa, I think I've been a good admin this year, you think for my present you could just tell everyone to DROP the whole NOI situation? Pwease?"

Come on folks, this should have been over months ago... let's get back to PvP now.

The challenge idea I've heard on the official boards, but I think I've yet to hear an official response to it. Another interesting idea posted was an official dueling ring, now my dream dueling ring would be the following:

1) An area split into three main sections, one where magic is allowed, one where magic but non-area effect magic isn't allowed, and one where anything goes, and I mean anything.

2) The dueling areas would have multiple rooms, so instead of two guys in one room, you would have two guys dueling across several rooms, perhaps an RT of 5 or 6 seconds would be given everytime you enter a new room.

3) Everyman for themselves area. This is just the riot room.

Any other ideas on what the ultimate GS arena would be like?

- Lord Kranar, human Archwizard reg

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Originally posted by StDymphna:
Funny, I've been reading these boards for a while and haven't once seen NOI say anything about their personal life, other than they know and communicate with David Whatley.

It has been other posters who have made comments, including a link to a personal Web site, and discussion of the material therein, which doesn't say much for those posters.

Heed the words of Kranar. You want to attack the product, fine. You want to attack the people on a personal level, not fine.

S.D.

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Welcome new poster!.. It's always nice to see someone come by to support someone else.... right?...

Oh, and by the way, attacking the product too much can get you in trouble, especially if you post e-mails here, they _HATE_ that

-goyle reg

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