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Did you know that simutronics knows your password at anytime? I didn't, until recently... And i used the same password for many things online, which makes me wonder if perhaps, with a little work on their part, simu could've accessed anything i do online... e-bay information, ISP info, paypal info, read my other e-mails, etc. etc....

I don't remember there being a big disclaimer 'Remember, staff can read and see your password' when you entered it, like the one when i signed up for a name here <which i'm glad for>... reg

Yes, they can. They don't need proof, just a rumor. True, most GMs (especially in GS) aren't concerned with ages much and so you seldom hear about it.

But a couple of years ago, DR was really cracking down on it. Anyone who ever said that they were under 18 IRL (even if they lied) would be unable to engage in anything considered "adult".

Personally, I find this to be insanity. It is the job of PARENTS to censor things for their children. Not GMs. Furthermore, parents may have decided that they don't mind their 9 year old using profanity and engaging in adult situations online. What then? The GMs are going to override the authority of the parent?

Absurd.

- The Klaive reg

It's a legal issue for Simutronics. Age of consent and all that stuff. I'm no lawyer, but i believe allowing it to go one while they're aware it's illegal could make them an accomplice or what such; they are facilitating it. reg

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Originally posted by Urgoyle:
Did you know that simutronics knows your password at anytime?

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Did you know that paypal knows your paypal password?

Did you know that e-bay knows your e-bay password?

Did you know that your ISP probably has your credit card number?

Did you know that the post office knows where you live?

wow... reg

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Originally posted by Urgoyle:
Yeah, that's great specto, unfortunately, that's not what this topic was for, it's about the secret stuff behind simu screens.

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I think what he was, and I as well am, perplexed about was your seeming shock that they would know your password.

One would assume that its a given that they can check your password, no? I'm not sure what's so nefarious about them being able to check it.

And on a related note this would be a good example of why you would not wish to use the same password for all your different sites.

It would just seem to be common sense.

I don't know, maybe I missed something there. reg

(well.. without a password cracker being needed).

Thats a normal password system to me. MD5 or DES encrypted at least. I mean ,caps dont even matter in their password setup and they ask us to have secure passwords? A joke.

reg

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Originally posted by Skirmisher:

I think what he was, and I as well am, perplexed about was your seeming shock that they would know your password.

One would assume that its a given that they can check your password, no? I'm not sure what's so nefarious about them being able to check it.

And on a related note this would be a good example of why you would not wish to use the same password for all your different sites.

It would just seem to be common sense.

I don't know, maybe I missed something there.

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I've accounts/characters with about a dozen places online... some of them <blizzard, diablo2 for example> cannot see your password, cannot do anything to your password... you forget it, you're screwed...

Other places, cannot see your password, but if you screw up, and you can honestly and without a doubt, prove who you are, they can set your password...

Simu should be the same... forgot your password? Can't log in? Call the billing office, and they'll set your password to something, then you can log in, and reset it to what you want to...

So why shouldn't i think there's some nefarious reasoning?
reg

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Simu should be the same... forgot your password? Can't log in? Call the billing office, and they'll set your password to something, then you can log in, and reset it to what you want to...
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With the new website, all you have to do is click on the "lost your password?" thing and it will e-mail your password to the e-mail address that is on the account. That's something I've seen on a ton of major sites.

And if you call billing they will verify who you are, usually with a security question (which no one will know unless you tell them). You can't just call up and say " I need the password for <blank> account" and actually get it.

Sorry, but I don't see what's nefarious about that at all.
reg

Not that i insinuate they do, since the staff hates me, and i hate them right back, and i haven't woken up dead... yet... But again, it's possible, it's also possible a disgruntled GS player could have a nuke, and he could erradicate a chunk of the playerbase... not likely, but still, possible. reg

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Originally posted by NoOneImportant:
Sorry, but I don't see what's nefarious about that at all.

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Any self-respecting sysop would only store passwords in encrypted form. Especially in a commercial venture. reg

Yes, I'm sure they could figure out what your password is... just like your ISP can figure out what your password is if they really got an itch to do so.

MY point is that it's a bunch of paranoia about nothing. reg

I believe the most they have is your account name, which almost everyone would see if you post on the boards anyways. reg

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Originally posted by NoOneImportant:
If you call billing, they'll verfiy who you are then will reset your password to something else.

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::shrugs::

You implied otherwise. Regardless, my point stands; if you have any sort of login system, and the password's not encrypted, you're a fool. reg

Would you beat your life on that? You would be dead if you did. I had something altered on my account on accident by a GM once.

Amazing that they can restore a character, but not have access to the account. They can take away levels, dupe characters. But they don't have access to accounts. Amazing they can take or replace coins in your bank account. Oh wait, those merchants that send helpers to withdraw money. They really can't do that. They don't have the abilty.

Keep up the lies. Really getting good now.

Is that what Simutronics pays you to do??

edge reg

Your password would be more for things pertaining to your credit card info, purchases, and the USER gaining access to the product. But certainly if a GM wanted to access the part of the hard drive containing information about your character, they could do so without a password.

- Lord Kranar, human Archwizard reg

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Originally posted by edge:
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Is that what Simutronics pays you to do??

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Come on Edge you know the answer to that one already...

::snickering::

Hiway

reg

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Originally posted by edge:
**Also, NO GM HAS ACCESS TO YOUR ACCOUNT INFORMATION OR PASSWORD.**

Would you beat your life on that? You would be dead if you did. I had something altered on my account on accident by a GM once.

Amazing that they can restore a character, but not have access to the account. They can take away levels, dupe characters. But they don't have access to accounts. Amazing they can take or replace coins in your bank account. Oh wait, those merchants that send helpers to withdraw money. They really can't do that. They don't have the abilty.

Keep up the lies. Really getting good now.

Is that what Simutronics pays you to do??

edge

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You know Edge....I am sitting here reading this thread and I get to your post and am just struck at its totally uncalled for tone.

You clearly and many times have stated you feel those in charge of Simu are not trustworthy. See how I can say it without having to call someone a liar and without having to have it simply dripping with derision?

Two things come to mind when i think of your situation and opinion.

First is a question of why would you ever wish to pay money to a company that you have nothing but contempt for and why would you waste so much time and energy on it in the process.

Second _IF_ Simu were half as evil and dark an empire as you seem to feel it is why in heavens name would they not have already smitten you from the lands?
You have said time and again how easy it would be for them to get rid of any they do not want around yet you, clearly one of their most outspoken critics remain.

From what has been stated about Simu's policy it certainly sounds familiar to most that I have heard of. Even if there actually is some conspiracy out to get you, I think that this password thing isn't going to play a major part in their plans.

reg

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Originally posted by Hiway:
Come on Edge you know the answer to that one already...

::snickering::

Hiway

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It's the snickering that truly makes this a post just oozing with class.

Nicely done. reg

Good to know that the hard work payed off in a compliment.

Hiway-feeling darn satisfied reg

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Originally posted by NoOneImportant:
Also, NO GM HAS ACCESS TO YOUR ACCOUNT INFORMATION OR PASSWORD.

I believe the most they have is your account name, which almost everyone would see if you post on the boards anyways.

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You know, i remember reading on another folder, i think it was banned, where someone else picked apart a letter Daecir@lockout sent them... in the note, it was very clearly communicated, that Daecir could see the password at anytime... though i'm not going to pick it out for quotes...
He listed a time when the password was such..
He listed another time a few days later, when the password was changed, by one digit
He listed a time in the near future after that, where the password was changed back to what it was originally...

That seems like proof to me... as for your 'NO GM HAS ACCESS TO YOUR ACCOUNT OR PASSWORD' bit... can you tell me where you got that from? reg

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Originally posted by Skirmisher:

You know Edge....I am sitting here reading this thread and I get to your post and am just struck at its totally uncalled for tone.

You clearly and many times have stated you feel those in charge of Simu are not trustworthy. See how I can say it without having to call someone a liar and without having to have it simply dripping with derision?

Two things come to mind when i think of your situation and opinion.

First is a question of why would you ever wish to pay money to a company that you have nothing but contempt for and why would you waste so much time and energy on it in the process.

Second _IF_ Simu were half as evil and dark an empire as you seem to feel it is why in heavens name would they not have already smitten you from the lands?
You have said time and again how easy it would be for them to get rid of any they do not want around yet you, clearly one of their most outspoken critics remain.

From what has been stated about Simu's policy it certainly sounds familiar to most that I have heard of. Even if there actually is some conspiracy out to get you, I think that this password thing isn't going to play a major part in their plans.

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First question... and edge has posted this elsewhere... he believes gemstone3 is something worth fighting for, the time spent developing a character, the friendships made... i believe the same..

Also, it doesn't hurt to have someone there to point out the faults, if a business owner threw you out of his store, because you were black, but then told the police and everything you weren't dressed properly, and lied in front of you, and pissed you off, and made you angry, and then the nightly news reported that person's business was burnt to the ground mysteriously, wouldn't you watch, no matter how much you hated them?

If only to chuckle and go 'he deserved that' to yourself?... Call edge the news service, heh.

Second question... Edge has friends, many friends, it's probably in simu's best interests to not 'smite' him with heavenly force.. Because chances are, all of those friends would flood feedback... And also, the footing simutronics has to say 'Oh, what he is saying isn't true, he must be misleaded' is the fact that they just haven't snuffed him out...

That's also kind of tyranical... think about it, if simutronics got the reputation for snuffing out people who were pissed off at them, and had legitimate complaints, and evidence backing that, then how long would... they... be able to... maintain..... a playerba.......... wait a minute... Allow me to withdraw the previous comment... I had the opportunity to experience it...

Besides, they don't 'totally smite' anybody with no due cause... they hate me, i hate them right back, yet i was allowed back in, once i jumped through the hoops placed there for me, and now i'm going to change my way of playing accordingly, so they won't have anything to twist around against me..

And now i'm in the wonderful situation of being ordered to 'walk away' from every conflict, and to not act on other player's actions.... But i think they put edge there too, didn't they?... I'm not sure, but i thought i read about some sorceror trying to kill him, his wife, and someone else in the rift, just because they wanted to..

Urgoyle... Elanthia's new punching bag! Come abuse him, earn brownie points with his enemies! <both staff and mortal!> reg

No GM has access to your ACCOUNT information. All of the so-called invasions of your account you people have listed are all CHARACTER access.

[This message has been edited by Siara (edited 12-06-2001).] reg

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I got no dukes. reg

GM Daecir has ACCOUNT information....He has came into the game and warned Tsin\Zurrian about accusing Simutronics of giving out his PW.

What part of GM Daecir is not a GM?

When a Simutronics employee, that pays their bills with money from Simutronics, comes on these boards and lies. I will let everyone know it.

On top of that. When Gromial disappeared. Did not Kennesaw access his account to look for some missing items? Ask Zenmagic about that. So once again. If you keep saying they can't access accounts then you are lying.

The difference between my posts and someone like Specto, who hides behind a PC screen. I will say everything I say here, to your face. This is how I am in RL. I don't get braver when I am behind a PC screen.

edge

[This message has been edited by edge (edited 12-06-2001).] reg

Darren Hirschey- real name reg

ACCOUNT information/access - your method of payment, your personal address, your phone number, your account name, etc

CHARACTER information/access -- everything you listed, edge, is character access, and yes they have that or else the wouldn't be able to replace things after a crash or fix a corrupted character, now would they?

Noone is lying to you -- GMs do not have access to ACCOUNT information. And do watch your insults because I'm far from blind and see right through you.

edited by me coz I'll be the first to admit that I can't spell worth a hoot.

[This message has been edited by Siara (edited 12-06-2001).] reg

Seems like splitting hairs to me. Its all pretty much the same.

When they lock your Character out (warnings/bannings,etc.) - your Account doesn't work.

When your Account doesn't work (missed payments, canceling of account, etc.), your Character doesn't work.

Hand in glove. Glove on hand.

I don't see a great deal of difference.

And spare me the "well, the difference is the GMs don't have access to your credit card" - so what if they did? Most credit card companies have fraud protection so if someone runs up charges on your account, you aren't responsible to pay for them. reg

"Look! Look! The glove don't fit, Lance, the glove don't fit!!" - OJ Simpson

Sonic reg

What exactly is the problem?

- Lord Kranar, human Archwizard reg

1.) GMs have access to confidential information.

2.) GMs "leak" confidential information to their friends.

And that's all I'm saying about that.

Summer reg

Oh wow!

Sheep. Blind sheep!

edge reg

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Originally posted by Siara:
Let me see if I can say this slowly enough so that edge can understand...

ACCOUNT information/access - your method of payment, your personal address, your phone number, your account name, etc

CHARACTER information/access -- everything you listed, edge, is character access, and yes they have that or else the wouldn't be able to replace things after a crash or fix a corrupted character, now would they?

Noone is lying to you -- GMs do not have access to ACCOUNT information. And do watch your insults because I'm far from blind and see right through you.

edited by me coz I'll be the first to admit that I can't spell worth a hoot.

[This message has been edited by Siara (edited 12-06-2001).]

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You know, if you have someone's password, you can log into the website and get their information... the only thing you can't get is the complete CC number, but you can see most everything else, i believe... a phone number if they left one, the method of payment, the last 4 numbers of the card used to pay, etc. reg

You will continue to manipulate and misinterpret word meanings simply to feed your rants on how evil all GMs are. Personally, I think you are giving yourself far too much credit if you even think any GM has the time to waste paying you the slightest attention.

I do have a few questions for you, tho I doubt I'll get an honest answer out of you...

How many Host applications have you sent in?

How many times have you applied to be a GM?

How many times have you sent in a Mentor application?

I have found that those people that scream the loudest about how all GMs are 'on crack' and 'out to get me' or bash and complain about the Mentors, are the very ones that have been turned down. Now, like I said, none of you will ever admit that you have indeed sent in your applications, but I'm willing to bet that you have. I know a temper tantrum when I see one.

[This message has been edited by Siara (edited 12-07-2001).] reg

Never.

Never.

Why? Because I am involved in cash sales.

Seems it's alright when you called me a liar before. But when I call you one. You cry foul. Ironic huh?

Nice try at changing the subject. You lied. Simple. NOI lied. Simple. You know they can access information and you choice to lie. What part of your post was truthful? NONE.

You have accused me of being a liar. How does it feel to be proven you are one?

God! The truth hurts.

edge

Sheep. Blind Sheep!

[This message has been edited by LordKranar (edited 12-07-2001).] reg

..what was that called?.. oh yes, temper tantrum... reg

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Originally posted by CrystalTears:
I just wonder why some people continue to play and/or follow up with Simu games if they are so horrible. ::shrugs::

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Personally, I don't think all of the GMs/staff are bad, I've had some really nice interactions with some of them.

I think it's like a restaurant I go to near my work. They have the best salads around, and most of the staff are great. They do have a few employees that are rude, and some that couldn't get my order straight if all I was getting was a cup of ice! Now, should I give up my great salads because of a few incompetent employees, or should I take the good with the bad and continue to enjoy my salads?

I think it's unrealistic to state that ALL GMs do a great job and never show favoritism, never release confidential information.... just as it's unfair to cry that ALL GMs are incompetent and evil.

Summer

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"No Shame In My Game" reg

I can't understand the want or desire to play a game that frustrates you to that point. It's not a game after that, it's a job, and you're paying someone else to have a bad time? Doesn't make sense to me. But I guess some people love to complain. I'll never know.

Yep, this is where the flames will be thrown at me.. some of the larger complaints come from the reps on these boards. ::ducks:: reg

I dislike hateful people like Siara. Who is like. Throw them all out because I don't like them. They don't agree with my way of RPing. This is a mentor for you. What a joke.

Like Aleyxs is a mentor. A person who did a 40m scam to Craniol. This is why I complain about certain people.

You want to be corrupt. Then don't let me find out.

You like to kiss ass? Don't do it in front of me. I will tell you. Yes, I will say it in RL to.

Amazing how people like to say leave if you don't like it. You can kiss my arse. I fight for what I want or think is right.

But poeple like Siara have this brown ring around there neck. Very popular tattoo nowadays.

No honor in being a sheep.

Sheep. Blind sheep!

edge

reg

Want to know something even more unsettling?

They ask for your social security # on the GM applications and Celtic's GM character was in charge of sorting through those a while back...

I swear to all that is holy, that is the last person I'd want to know my ss#.

reg

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Originally posted by Siara:
I have found that those people that scream the loudest about how all GMs are 'on crack' and 'out to get me' or bash and complain about the Mentors, are the very ones that have been turned down. Now, like I said, none of you will ever admit that you have indeed sent in your applications, but I'm willing to bet that you have.

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Just for the record - I've never sent in an application for any of that stuff. Why would I want a thankless job (for the most part) of never ending headaches?

Of course, I also don't make broad stroking references that all GMs are corrupt/out to get me, or whatever.

For the most part, I believe that MOST GMs are hard working & honestly try to do the best that they can given their situation.

HOWEVER, I'm not so naive to believe that just because someone has been made a GM, that they are automatically cleansed of all past transgressions in their life, and are now without fault and now lack the ability to make mistakes.

There are a couple that come to my mind that I feel like to argue things under the least favorable light for a few select players and have made bogus decisions more so on their opinion of a particular person, rather than the actual merit's of that player's position.

Unfortunately, some are so high up the food chain, it would be darn near impossible to ever get anything done about their biased behavior.

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Originally posted by Rhain:
Want to know something even more unsettling?

They ask for your social security # on the GM applications and Celtic's GM character was in charge of sorting through those a while back...

I swear to all that is holy, that is the last person I'd want to know my ss#.

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Thats one of'em. And I agree - he's one of the last people that I'd want to know my SSN. reg

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Originally posted by Rhain:

They ask for your social security # on the GM applications...

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And in some areas, you must write your SS# on checks. If you're really that worried about fraud...
reg

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Originally posted by Taernath:
And in some areas, you must write your SS# on checks. If you're really that worried about fraud...

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Where? The only place I can think of was the BX in the military to cash a check. And that would be closed loop.

You shouldn't have to put that sort of information on any check or even credit card slip. Even a phone number which many merchants try to pull is not required. Just say no.

Hiway
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A couple days ago at Comp USA I had to write my SS# on the check I used or they wouldn't accept it. Apparently they've been having some problems with forgery or something, so now it's required. It's something I'm strongly against, but it seems that's the way the world's headed. reg

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Originally posted by Summerlyn:
Personally, I don't think all of the GMs/staff are bad, I've had some really nice interactions with some of them.

I think it's like a restaurant I go to near my work. They have the best salads around, and most of the staff are great. They do have a few employees that are rude, and some that couldn't get my order straight if all I was getting was a cup of ice! Now, should I give up my great salads because of a few incompetent employees, or should I take the good with the bad and continue to enjoy my salads?

I think it's unrealistic to state that ALL GMs do a great job and never show favoritism, never release confidential information.... just as it's unfair to cry that ALL GMs are incompetent and evil.

Summer

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Heh, i'm with you there.. problem is the evil ones start taking out the good ones one by one... or the good ones see how horrible things are, and surrender in frustration...

Pay attention, kids, this is why evil always wins over good... because true 'good' will not lower itself to evil's level to fight back, and evil will act anyway it wants to <evil, good, happy, angry, mean, playful> to get the desired effect.

-Urgo!
reg

The ones you see interacting with you in the game don't have your account info though. Only your character info.

There's over 40 GMs for GS right now, I'd hate to have my CC number floating around available for all those people. On the other hand, I'd have no problem if they had info like the first time I said mother&#@%$! in the game and issued me a warning, which is character info. I'd be the first one to protest if they all had my account info, but the info isn't available to them. So settle down, kiddies.

Bianca

[This message has been edited by Bianca (edited 12-08-2001).] reg

This isn't limited to on-site staff, unless only on-site staff sifts through the applications. As far as I knew, Kennesaw didn't live in St. Louis when he was doing the apps.

On the other hand, people buy stuff online or with credit cards at stores all the time, and I don't know the CompUSA clerk from a hole in the wall and I'm trusting that number to him aren't I?

::shrugs::

My credit just ain't good enough to bother stealing.

R
reg

::coughs::

Oh jeeze.. remind me not to drink coffee when I read these boards. It's far to messy to burst out laughing with a mouth full of coffee.

Siara's being mean again...whaaaaa! reg

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Originally posted by Siara:
remind me not to drink coffee when I read these boards. It's far to messy to burst out laughing with a mouth full of coffee.

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Sure thing - as long as you promise to remind me to not do the same at Simucon watching everyone suck up to the GMs. reg

edge reg

Why is it that a simple 'Way to go' to a GM is considered kissing ass?

Why is it that a well thought out POLITE letter/post, that's not dripping in sarcasm and laced with insults is also considered kissing ass?

When is it bad to ever say 'thank you' to a GM that has been up all nite, or sometimes days on end, to make sure an event runs smoothly -- regardless of whether they get paid or not?

It is one thing to provide constructive criticisms that accomplish the sharing of ideas, rather than insult the intelligence of the GM and then whine and complain that you never get listened to.

I don't listen to cry-babies either, nor do I listen to the person that feels the need to demean another person simply because they disagree.

There is an entire group that feels the need to post on every message board they can find, about the evils of GMs and the game in general. 'Lockouts' and Them That Are Banned spend their time posting on how bad GMs are.

Those that disagree with their line of thought are then called ass-kissers. I usually never say this but, my god the term 'get a life' really does seem to fit.

I haven't quite figured it out yet as to why sitting behind a computer screen, to some, equates to losing all your compassion, logic and basic humanity towards other people. None of them are 'improving the game' (thier rallying cry) nor are they, by the continual rants and bashing, offering any constructive suggestions whatsoever or exposing any true wrong-doings.

What they do show us, however, usually is their inability to form a complete sentence, their total lack in the grasp of the English language, and a true juvenile display of 'sour grapes'.

You (an in general 'you') are really fooling youself if you think that a GM, any GM, has the time to spend 'going after you'. Don't flatter yourselves. In the long run all you become is a waste of valuable time.

[This message has been edited by LordKranar (edited 12-08-2001).] reg

Oh well..

By the way I have personally talked to GM's who have said they wanted to drive another player away.

Suppose that blows your theory that no one would take something personally huh?

SGM Krash:

"Why don't you leave, no one will miss you."

This is after Drizzsdt and my character agreed with him about making a decision. God forbid.

That should be enough evidence on the maturity level and professionalism by one of the staff at Simutronics. And a SGM at that!

The majority of tone from so many staff are so poor that I can't even begin to offer any suggestion to them, but just to clean house.

I see some nice people at Simutronics and never criticized people for adding comments that show them support.

If you, yes Siara, want to pout and leave over a simple joke (or whatever reason) then go. I know I won't lose any sleep over it. You are not my customer. You are just one of the posters here to me. I like to read what you have to say. I like hearing all viewpoints. That doesn't mean I have to fawn all over those same said opinions.

The fact is you have made even worse comments directed at individuals on these boards. I made a small joke and really left it up to the imagination of those at large.

The sad aspect is you took it to be mean spirited. That isn't an indication of those who dislike you or even like you. That is an indication of how you take yourself.

Hiway reg

You say how you respond the same in real life to anything as you do here.

So you use totally inappropriate, crude and offensive innuendos whenever the whim strikes you?

If so I am amazed you have had this stellar career in the military you love to mention.

People here deserve respect, I or someone else may think your views are 100% wrong and say so but some of your comments of late have stunned me and I can only think you have not thought them through before speaking.

I can understand such comments from some obviously less mature posters but you can do better.

[This message has been edited by LordKranar (edited 12-08-2001).] reg

It's that time once again boys and girls to take a time out. Get in your prospective corners, grab a cup of herbal tea or a joint or whatever calms your nerves and chill out.

Bashing other players is still against the rules on these boards, no matter who started it. No ifs, ands, or buts. And this means you.

R
reg

Nothing in this world hurts more.

Instead of admiting when she was wrong. She says. I am never coming to these boards again.

You are welcome to stay Siara. But expect people to treat you how you treat them. If you can't handle it. Then you need some help.

You try and say these boards are bad. We don't censor very much. I don't think we edited a single one of your hateful posts.

So don't even try and say I go to other boards and post. I don't. I don't even post on the official boards anymore...period.

So if you say I am doing that. It's another lie.

edge
reg

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Originally posted by edge:
Instead of admiting when she was wrong. She says. I am never coming to these boards again.

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Which totally presupposes she was wrong.

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You are welcome to stay Siara. But expect people to treat you how you treat them. If you can't handle it. Then you need some help.

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Which is why NOI's personal life is a topic of veiled remarks on this board. Got it. Thank you for clarifying that for me.

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So don't even try and say I go to other boards and post. I don't. I don't even post on the official boards anymore...period.

So if you say I am doing that. It's another lie.

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How convenient then that she did not say that. Glad we avoided that problem!
reg

Urgoyle-who can't remember how many times he's gotten into small arguments, only to have people log in some multis to drum up support from all the 'normal' people hanging out... hah! reg

It's hard to balance out editting/censorship with allowing people to express themselves, however I must say that when you have WAY more people on one side argueing in a very harsh manner against the few people on the opposite side, as an admin I have little choice but to end the arguement then and there.

This has turned away from a logical and consise discussion and more into a Who can chase the other guy away. I'd rather not see any member(s) here chase any other member(s) away and when that type of attitude is displayed as the admin I will have to step in to balance the situation out.

No one should feel intimidated to post on these boards, no one should have to worry about being attacked because of their opinions, and no one should feel obliged to reveal their ingame character or real life name.

Let's try and discuss Gemstone, make our complaints about Gemstone known, and debate over issues that concern the game and the game itself, not actual people.

- Lord Kranar, human Archwizard

[This message has been edited by LordKranar (edited 12-08-2001).] reg