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Originally posted by Solkern:
Ok, My friend was recetly giving a warning for refering to a GM's name in game, Then he was shot down for refering to a GM as god,
My concern is, everyone refers tm Gm's as gods, God auctions, god weddings and sorts, If Gms make an appearence in game, why the hell can we reefer to them at all in game?
My friend got a warning, then had to read policy for simply saying "andraste" I'm sorry, but if a GM makes an appearence in game, and talks to us, we shouldn't be able to refer them whenever we please...
Would love some Gm feedback

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Uhoh.

You just opened a can of worms on these boards Solkern.

Just wait for the posts

Hiway! Where are you on this one? reg

Snotrezzer: I hate you dude you suck
Boogerpicker: Private picking at my thrak table! ::bounce::
Reject: No way you suck!
Masterhealer: Need a fogger plz
Snotrezzer: You suck yo mama!
Reject: Shut up or I'll report you
Meanguy: Selling a mystery note 1 coin to 3 trillion. MB: 1k
Andraste: Ok fellas that's enough.
Imcool: WTB FGB TTM
Solkernsfriend: Andraste what are you doing on the net?

************Solkernsfriend, this is an official warning********
reg

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Originally posted by Solkern:
My friend got a warning, then had to read policy for simply saying "andraste"

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So your friend just was sitting around at a table or the park or the boulder. Doing their usual thing. Said "andraste", then kept doing whatever, and got warned? Hmm... reg

I've mentioned GM names in-game. There's times when you just have to, like House Officers talking about what they've sent to the GS Housing GM.

Naw, I think what's being left out is what was said and in what context. But it makes for good anti-GM fodder for these boards. reg

Actually, there wasn't really much more, We just got off the boulder, and I i rememebr right we were sitting at the tables, and he was Telling me, how he thinks the Gods are aganist him, He then mentions he thinks andraste and others are on his back, he got an offical warning, pulled up, and was forced to read policy... reg

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simply saying "andraste"

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hmm? reg

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Originally posted by Solkern:

Actually, there wasn't really much more, We just got off the boulder, and I i rememebr right we were sitting at the tables, and he was Telling me, how he thinks the Gods are aganist him, He then mentions he thinks andraste and others are on his back, he got an offical warning, pulled up, and was forced to read policy...

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Ya know, I've been banned before. Told to take a hike, we don't need you here. All I did was attack someone, cause they were pissing me off.

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Okay, so they were pissing me off for being all fluffy-happy when I'd just lost everything I owned, and I decided to kill them and 11 other people next to them. But the first one sounds better! reg

Told me before he could tell me he got warned for syaing andraste, he was pulled up
and forced to read policy, so in effect, he only did say andraste reg

Siara...gimme a freakin' break.

That just lets me know that Andraste is way too angry at something at life.

There has to be way better things than warning someone for saying your GM's name in-game.

That's just rediculous in my opinion.

Find something better to do with your time Andraste...you've already shown us all the duties you have...

Sitting around the boulder warning people for saying your name...uhm...hmm...

Someone pick up where I left off.

reg

Even with the larger explanation about how he was griping about the Gods being on his back, that's not a reason to pull someone up from a table...Is it?

At least he didn't say "Those bastards at Simutronics can eat my dried foot fungus" right?

I mean, then I could understand the whole "Simutronics" thing.

I've been beaten about the ears for simply posting "mentors"..before though. hmm

reg

Solkern swings a blackened long-bladed khopesh at an Arachne servant!
AS: +245 vs DS: +110 with AvD: +34 + d100 roll: +33 = +202
... and hits for 78 points of damage!
Hard slash to the Arachne servant's side opens its spleen!
The Arachne servant exhales a final curse and dies.
>
Fog rolls in.
>
Solkern searches an Arachne servant.
Solkern gathers the remaining coins.
The Arachne servant's corpse exudes an overwhelming malodorous stench as it shrivels away oozing copious amounts of bile and putresence.
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Solkern says, "hmm"
>l
[Lower Trollfang, Near Shrine]
The path turns here, like a sharp "v", veering to the southeast and into a maze of pathways, or attempting to go around the great structure to the southwest, where one of the large black legs of the sprawling spidery building curls ominously. You also see some double leather, a jeddart-axe, a jeddart-axe and some double leather.
Also here: Solkern
Obvious paths: southeast, southwest.
>
A booming voice echoes, "Do what XXXXX?"
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Solkern scratches his head.
>'Do what?
>
You ask, "Do what?"
>'go away
You say, "go away"
>
Solkern asks, "did you see that fog roll in?"
>
A booming voice echoes, "This is for your insolence!"
>'it's the booming voice
You say, "it's the booming voice"
>
A bolt of lightning streaks down from the sky and strikes you!
... 63 points of damage!
Massive shock totally burns out the nervous system. Nothing works anymore.
Your sense of faith and conviction wane.
Your SIGN OF WARDING is no longer effective.
Your SIGN OF DEFENDING is no longer effective.
Your SIGN OF SMITING is no longer effective.
Your SIGN OF STRIKING is no longer effective.
Your SIGN OF SWORDS is no longer effective.

It seems you have died, my friend. Although you cannot do anything, you are keenly aware of what is going on around you...

You mentally give a sigh of relief as you remember that the Goddess Lorminstra owes you a favor.

...departing in 13 mins...

A tremendous crack of thunder follows instantly!
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Solkern says, "hmm"
>'see
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You say, "see"
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Solkern gestures and utters a phrase of magic.
>'now I report that to GSfeedback to
Solkern gestures at you.
You feel a tingle on your soul, as if a powerful hand is gently cradling it.
(Thy soul is bound to thy body for an extra 8 minutes and 30 seconds.)
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You say, "now I report that to GSfeedback to"
>'more harassment
You say, "more harassment"
>
Suddenly you have the strangest feeling that you are being watched.
The feeling fades as quickly as it came.
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Suddenly you have the strangest feeling that you are being watched.
The feeling fades as quickly as it came.
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A booming voice echoes, "Take not my name in vain, mortal."
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Solkern says, "that wasnt needed"
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Solkern says, "killing someone"
>'shut up
You say, "shut up"
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Solkern asks, "for speaking there name?"
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Solkern seems slightly different.
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Solkern says, "how childish can you be"
>'I was told the Gods dont do anything
A major spider just scurried in.
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You say, "I was told the Gods dont do anything"
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Solkern shakes his head, clucking his tongue.
>'now they're being hypocrits
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You say, "now they're being hypocrits"
>'or liars
You say, "or liars"
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A major spider tries to bite Solkern!
AS: +130 vs DS: +335 with AvD: +32 + d100 roll: +90 = -83
A clean miss.
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Solkern says, "the gods are being lil kids"
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A major spider tries to bite Solkern!
AS: +130 vs DS: +335 with AvD: +32 + d100 roll: +21 = -152
A clean miss.
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A major spider tries to bite Solkern!
AS: +130 vs DS: +335 with AvD: +32 + d100 roll: +13 = -160
A clean miss.
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The light returns.
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Solkern says, "yas get in trouble for speaking your mind"
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A major spider tries to ensnare Solkern!
AS: +130 vs DS: +335 with AvD: +28 + d100 roll: +43 = -134
A clean miss.
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* Olgretien Treefeller joins the adventure.
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A major spider tries to bite Solkern!
AS: +130 vs DS: +335 with AvD: +32 + d100 roll: +24 = -149
A clean miss.
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Solkern swings a blackened long-bladed khopesh at a major spider!
AS: +245 vs DS: +100 with AvD: +34 + d100 roll: +22 = +201
... and hits for 32 points of damage!
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A major spider tries to bite Solkern!
AS: +130 vs DS: +199 with AvD: +32 + d100 roll: +44 = +7
A clean miss.
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Solkern says, "someones coming"
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Solkern swings a blackened long-bladed khopesh at a major spider!
AS: +245 vs DS: +100 with AvD: +34 + d100 roll: +62 = +241
... and hits for 95 points of damage!
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A major spider tries to ensnare Solkern!
AS: +110 vs DS: +199 with AvD: +28 + d100 roll: +17 = -44
A clean miss.
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Solkern swings a blackened long-bladed khopesh at a major spider!
AS: +245 vs DS: +100 with AvD: +34 + d100 roll: +28 = +207
... and hits for 47 points of damage!
Quick, powerful slash to the major spider's left knee!
The major spider is knocked to the ground!
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Solkern swings a blackened long-bladed khopesh at a major spider!
AS: +245 vs DS: +50 with AvD: +34 + d100 roll: +61 = +290
... and hits for 93 points of damage!
Left eye ripped from head, along with most of brain.
The major spider's body jerks one last time and dies.
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A cloud of dense silvery fog suddenly appears. The fog quickly dissipates to reveal Kaittee.
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Zefar just arrived.
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Kaittee gestures and utters a phrase of magic.
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Kaittee gestures.
A sense of peace and calm settles over the area.
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Solkern searches a major spider.
A major spider's legs shrivel up beneath it as it decays into dust.
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Solkern turns to Kaittee and cheers!
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Kaittee put a pitted golden vultite falchion in her white weapons harness.
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Kaittee giggles.
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Kaittee slings a pure white vultite shield over her shoulder.
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Solkern says, "yaya for foggers"
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Kaittee giggles.
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Kaittee removes a tattered scroll from in her spidersilk cloak.
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Kaittee raises her tattered scroll and gestures.
Nothing happens.
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Kaittee asks, "he need lk?"
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Zefar says, "giantkin,,was going to offer a drag"
>l
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Kaittee raises her tattered scroll and gestures.
Nothing happens.
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Solkern says, "yeah"
[Lower Trollfang, Near Shrine]
The path turns here, like a sharp "v", veering to the southeast and into a maze of pathways, or attempting to go around the great structure to the southwest, where one of the large black legs of the sprawling spidery building curls ominously. You also see some double leather, a jeddart-axe, a jeddart-axe and some double leather.
Also here: Zefar, Lady Kaittee, Solkern
Obvious paths: southeast, southwest.
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Kaittee raises her tattered scroll and gestures.
Nothing happens.
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Kaittee raises her tattered scroll and gestures.
Sparks begin to fly between the tattered scroll and Kaittee's fingers.
With a sudden burst of enthusiasm, the sparks jump into Kaittee's hand and she seems to glow with power.
>'I was killed
You say, "I was killed"
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Kaittee gestures at you.
Nothing happens.
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Solkern says, "gods killed him"
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Kaittee put a tattered scroll in her spidersilk cloak.
>'By the Gods
You say, "By the Gods"
>'Literally
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You say, "Literally"
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Solkern says, "god are being lil kids"
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Kaittee frowns.
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Solkern rolls his eyes.
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Kaittee gestures and utters a phrase of magic.
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Zefar returns to normal speed.
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Kaittee removes a pitted golden vultite falchion from in her white weapons harness.
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Kaittee slings a pure white vultite shield off from over her shoulder.
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Solkern says, "killed XXXXX for speaking his mind"
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Kaittee reaches down and tenderly cradles your lifeless hand in hers.
>'they're just proving my point though
Zefar asks, "why was they upset?"
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You say, "they're just proving my point though"
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Kaittee says, "join up if you wanna come to town"
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Solkern joins Kaittee's group.
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Kaittee says, "leaving now"
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Kaittee gestures.

Your surroundings blur for a moment . . .

[Wehnimer's, Erebor Square]
The dome of a large temple rises before you. The circular building is surrounded by marble porticos and teak columns. A promenade leads to two pillars, through which you can peer into the inner sanctum. You observe priests, acolytes, monks and worshippers engaged in various rituals of devotion. A locked almsbox is securely bolted to an iron pole alongside the pillars. You also see the Griffin sword which is embedded to its hilt in a glowing white stone and a wrought-iron gate.
Also here: Lady Kaittee, Solkern
Obvious paths: south, east, west.
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Kaittee doubles over and turns a purplish color as she clasps both hands over her mouth, gripping tightly!
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Solkern says, "hmm"
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Solkern says, "sorry"
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Solkern says, "thw powers to be"
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Solkern says, "killed rorac"
>'I'm ready for life Solkern
You say, "I'm ready for life Solkern"
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Solkern says, "for speaking his mind"
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Kaittee grimaces visibly in pain.
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Solkern gestures and utters a phrase of magic.
>'and I don't wanna hear from the Gods again
Solkern gestures at you.
A silvery translucent thread extends from Solkern encompassing you.
You sense the warmth and comfort of salvation.
You say, "and I don't wanna hear from the Gods again"
>'that they don't get involved with people
You say, "that they don't get involved with people"
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The sickly pallor seems to fade from Kaittee.
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Kaittee frowns at you.
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Solkern says, "i got a warning"
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Kaittee says, "what happened hon"
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Solkern says, "for defending you"
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Solkern nods to you.
>'haha
You say, "haha"
>'They're stupid
You say, "They're stupid"
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Solkern gestures and utters a phrase of magic.
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Kaittee cringes.
>whisper solkern Andraste?
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You whisper quietly to Solkern.
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Solkern asks, "patch him up?"
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reg

Sonic reg

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Originally posted by Alfador:
He deserved a warning for that. Suck it up, who the hell really cares?

Sonic

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Alfy for GM! reg

Sonic reg

Have you ever seen the wonderful GM Tigermist's attire? She is wearing "a pouch that is so 'in' you could just die". That would NEVER be allowed for a player.

It's for the amusement of the people that look at her, and perhaps herself as well. It's an OOC joke. Not to be taken for a character's reaction.

If you choose to say the name of a GM outloud, you may as well be talking about football scores and computer hardware, because GMs are just as OOC.

Furthermore, GMs are not gods. We have a working pantheon in Elanthia and we GMs are not it. In fact, GMs are nothing.

GMs don't auction a damn thing. Merchants do. GMs don't give you alterations. Merchants do.

When you get a SEND. Your character doesn't know there was a SEND. You, the player, are being told something by us.

And as for saying "God Auctioned"... when's the last time you saw Sheru come down and sell spooky halloween masks? Has Eonak risen from the earth and presented his newest sanctified wares for your inspection?

No?

Then it's not god auctioned.

- The Klaive

Disclaimer - By "we GMs", the author only means that they have been/are currently/will be a GM of various online role-playing games or MMORPGs, and that in all games in which the author was affiliated in such a way, the above statements were just as relevant as they are to GemStone III. The author in no way intends to imply that they are a member of the Simutronics Staff.

(Edited to make the word "NEVER" bold.)

[This message has been edited by Klaive (edited 11-29-2001).]

[This message has been edited by Klaive (edited 11-29-2001).] reg

Not only did you deserve for your character to be killed but you should be kicked out of the game altogether. I am far from a RP meiser but thats just another pathetic example of how bad things are in the lands. Simu needs to grow some and take control back over this game and it needs to start with people like yourself. Solkern included, you were no better with your comments.

reg

"We GMs"? Are congratulations in order, Klaive? In light of your comment, and the little message I happened to see earlier, you know I just had to ask!

Summer reg

Mike

Zanagan/Zarosa reg

Gamemasters... The term really doesn't apply in Gemstone. It is so perverted from the original meaning in Dungeons and Dragons.

Gamemasters were people who actually created real time a storyline and made it fun to be in a game.

When was the last time anyone really had that sort of input from a GM in gemstone?

The first problem Simutronic's made was trying to make a GM a jack of all trades.

GM's in my opinion, this isn't new, should not appear to be in their 400's or such. They should not wear descriptions or clothing that can not be made by a regular paying customer.

They should not 'disrupt' the roleplay atmosphere by their entrance or departure.

They should look and act like real customer support personnel who care about people. They should go that extra mile to get past the anonymous feel of the virtual world of the internet.

They should not assume. They should take that extra step to make sure they understand what a person is trying to communicate.

They should understand the medium of the internet is a hard place to convey real feelings. They should understand it is easy to misinterpret other real people.

They should treat others the same way they would want to be treated.

I could go on and on.

Every rule in the customer support world Simutronic's has so shattered I think they could run for the anti service poster child.

There are many exceptions, but the majority of my encounters with staff have been confrontational and disheartening.

I am under firm belief that many GM's in this game do not gravitate to the job for the right reasons. The motivation is not of pure intent and that has been demonstrated time and time again.

I think it would take a major cleaning and perhaps a new ownership of the game for any real changes to take place.

Hiway
reg

I am pretty sure impersonating staff is a violation of the TOS and a bannable offense.

Let's see if the folks at Simutronics actually show some consistency about dealing out bannings for things that happen outside of the game.

I seriously doubt they will do a thing. Partly due to my making a point out of it right here. Just to be stubborn they will ignore it.

Ah the children....

Hiway reg

Create an OOC area, apart from the in-game world. Let ALL accounts log into that area, and have to go through an arch, or a gate, or whatever to get into the actual game. This will plunk them down wherever they left last.

In the meantime, the OOC area would consist of a few text-based chatrooms with atmosphere, the consultation lounges, the GM areas, all the dev stuff (inaccessable by anyone other than staff of course), a forum room for OOC forums, and a few meeting rooms.

The meeting rooms would be where players get their assists answered and reports addressed.

If you assist, and it's "your turn" to be seen by a host or GM, you'd get a [send] and you'd quietly excuse yourself from whoever you're with, go to an unpopulated room, and type QUIT. You'd end up in the hallway in the OOC area and go through whichever door the [send] said.

This way, the staff would *never* be seen in the RP atmosphere as staff, but would still be able to show up as nifty characters for the purpose of running events and plotlines. They just wouldn't ever be seen AS staff *in the game.*

Players would have the chance to speak one-on-one without being interrupted by anyone, without any disruption of roleplay.

I don't know why it was never implemented even after it was suggested several times by myself and others. It seems a logical solution.

R
reg

I think it would be too much work to implement something that big, even if it would rock, and change the world back into a roleplaying environment, one step at a time..

But of course, there's more important things first... we have breakage to worry about, and GP 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, etc... I'm waiting for 'old age' to be implimented, when you're in your 100s, roundtimes for walking, you might randomly walk in the wrong direction, you can only eat soft food, your bones snap at random if you bounce around, you need diapers, and when you try to talk, all you do is say stuff like 'dagnabbit!' and 'rone wehnimer was a good lad, his kind is only seen once in a generation' reg

I wish they would lightning you and others things when you do something wrong. Knida fun and more of a RP way of dealing with snerts. I know I got hit with lightning. Then kept talking crap. Then a swarm of monsters came in and killed everyone. That was a blast.

edge reg

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Originally posted by Urgoyle:
I'm with ~R~ on this one, but if they can't even code the 'who full' list into alphabetical, without changing the entire codebase of the game for all eternity...

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I'm not staff, but this would create a slightly larger problem than you make it out to be. Sorting is a huge overhead.

Your best sorts run in O(N*log2 N) time. Assuming 1024 players are on, in a worst-case scenario, will take 10240 algorithms to get them into order.

Even a sorted linked list would take some processor time. Every time someone logged in or out, the add or remove function would have to run in O(N) time. However, displaying would also run in O(N) time.

I could go into more depth and debate if a sorted or unstorted list or a tree should be used, and how it should be implemented, but right now, it's bed time. reg

Back to the original idea of this topic, what is the right answer? If its inappropriate to refer to GMs as 'gods' (which it clearly is in going with the Arkati history of the game), then how can we, as the good players we are, change this? I know I've said it and now that I've read this, I'm going to make a conscious effort not to.

As far as calling them by name... I don't see how that can be avoided. There are too many scenarios in which they interact in the game. They have names. Use them.

*drops one coin in the overflowing bucket*

Sorry that it was just one coin.. don't have change for a 20

~ Kaliopia reg

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Originally posted by Kaliopia:

As far as calling them by name... I don't see how that can be avoided. There are too many scenarios in which they interact in the game. They have names. Use them.

~ Kaliopia

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What scenarios would you need to call them by name?

If I see Andraste on the landing net doing one of her typical "Settle down everyone, lets make merry in the Landing"

I don't make a response to it, because its not meant to be responded to. Its intended for the player behind the character. Of course there are the dozens of morons who reply back to her and think they are funny etc etc

Mike

Zanagan/Zarosa

reg

~ Kaliopia reg

Don't use a GM name in game anymore and you won't get a warning for that. --Other things...Well, I think you've got your hands full there.

Great RP by the way. <smirks>

Leslie

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Smell that shoe! reg

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Originally posted by Gnomad:
I'm not staff, but this would create a slightly larger problem than you make it out to be. Sorting is a huge overhead.

Your best sorts run in O(N*log2 N) time. Assuming 1024 players are on, in a worst-case scenario, will take 10240 algorithms to get them into order.

Even a sorted linked list would take some processor time. Every time someone logged in or out, the add or remove function would have to run in O(N) time. However, displaying would also run in O(N) time.

I could go into more depth and debate if a sorted or unstorted list or a tree should be used, and how it should be implemented, but right now, it's bed time.

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Its not so much a fact of overhead, but more from what I've heard, GS3 's codebase don't support arrays (could be mistaken). Hence, the lack of features. Theres someone else who posts here who could clarify this since he's the programmer, I'm just the silly UNIX sys admin.

reg

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Originally posted by bezerker:
Its not so much a fact of overhead, but more from what I've heard, GS3 's codebase don't support arrays (could be mistaken). Hence, the lack of features. Theres someone else who posts here who could clarify this since he's the programmer, I'm just the silly UNIX sys admin.

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You can implement a linked list without pointers, which I doubt the GS Script has, it's just kludgy.

Even if GS Script doesn't have arrays, c does. I'd assume WHO is already implemented in c, sipmly because it's so old a command.

As for the overhead, it's more than it was before. An unsorted WHO FULL has worked for 10+ years, why change now? reg

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-SlicktecK (AIM = SlicktecK :: EMAIL = slickteck@hotmail.com) reg

P.S. If they refuse to that then they are just a power-tripping jerk-ass and I'd begin to refer to them as such. Maybe that only makes sense to me though... reg

I don't like that GM's or hosts actively disrupt the roleplay atmosphere with their grand lightning bolt entrances or such.

You are asking an age old question and the answer is the only one I have heard is the weak one I received as stated before.

Identify with customers not characters. Be people first not gods.

hiway reg