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Someone,(not able to cast wof) commented that someone his age (my friend) did not need wof.

That comment started a whole discussion or rather debate.

Should young ones recieve walls because they are not 50 trains?

I think that if the person who can cast wof, has the right to choose who he/she cast wof on and the reviever of the spell should not be given the third degree by other people.

In the few times a good friend has casted them on me without being asked, I don't think he once ever wondered what i was hunting, and if i was too young for the spell.

If mana is being offered and the caster is willing, what would it matter what age the reciever was or even what he was hunting.
Mind you, however i certainly would not be offering to send mana for spells for someone who was hunting rats.

My friend was hunting over his head, what he was hunting is his business, but i am sure the person who would cast wof on a younger one has the right to ask what they are hunting and chose not to spell my friend up. It is the people who can not cast wof that should not being making the comments or giving him a third degree about him not needing them. reg

- The Klaive reg

On the other hand, anyone who should be hunting hill trolls and can't hunt them without wall of force should reconsider their training instead of insisting that they're unviable or that the staff has made it impossible for them to hunt.

I've seen characters in the catacombs for crying out loud, spelled up and glowing like the Northern Lights. No one hunting in the catacombs needs that kind of defense. Even my level 1 sylvan empath using a rapier didn't need it.

When you start to depend on outside forces to survive, then you have no one but yourself to blame when the system changes to *require* it.

R
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But you must considered those two handers or those archers, they really need a halping hand, unless of course they are fortunate enough to kill before getting killed.

But my friend who was in need of walls does not need them to hunt young critters, which would be sad if it were true. he needed them or rather would have liked them for security reasons.

Sure some will say, then don't hunt something that much higher then your own trains that you need wof to survive.
Perhaps that might be true, but the point is he asked, and was commented by a none spell caster that he did not need them.
My point is, that it isn't anyone's business what he was hunting or his trains, which the none spell caster gave him the 3rd degree about.
If at all it is the person willing to cast wof on him, to ask him what he is hunting and to decide whether he thinks he should.

there was no demand for him to get wof and could have gone without them but there is no harm in asking for the extra security. If their was something wrong with it, then perhaps people should stop asking for wof, shield or alkars. reg

Character are SUPPOSED to get injured and die when they hunt sometimes. Characters are also supposed to train appropriately for whatever they are trying to accomplish. They are also supposed to hunt smart, within 10 levels of their own. That is the way the system is designed. By circumventing the system design, the player is encouraging staff to change the system which makes it difficult for people who DO work within the system.

It is *everyone's* business.

R
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Number 1) As longs as spell-ups are allowed and people can cast spells on others for positive reasons, there will be spell-ups. Saying that someone "doesn't need" certain spells because of their age is just plain silly. If you wish to go by that logic, NO-ONE of ANY age needs ANY helpful spells. If you are age 50 and you can't hunt your age without getting killed on a regular basis and spending everything you have on deeds, then go hunt 35.

Why don't we just get rid of a third of the bard songs then? After all, Kia's Song of Triumph is mainly for a group of people hunting and just causes them to rely on Bards, right?

I agree that people hunting rats and nymphs don't need spell-ups. I also disapprove of people keeping "zombie wizards" for that purpose.

However, an honest player, about to hunt a few above their level, asking nicely for a spell and willing to send/tip for it in return, getting hassled by others for it? That was plain bad manners on the part of the people hassling.

I am a high taxpayer. Right now I have two characters. Both of them are PLAYED, not zombied. My newbie ranger hasn't gotten a spell-up yet, she hasn't needed one. In a few more trains she will need it because she is an archer and her DS, to put it frankly, sucks, because she can't use a sheild. She will NEED the spell-ups to be able to hunt within her level, much less 10 trains of it.

My Bard is a bit older. She gets spell-ups frequently and she doesn't hunt more than 2 trains above her level. Even with spell-ups she dies frequently because she is a brave soul that doesn't hesitate to protect the town when there is an invasion. If she gets two hits in during that time, she counts it lucky that just MAYBE she has helped someone who is older than she last a bit longer to kill the creatures that are desicrating the town.

Even when hunting her own level, she dies if she is without spells. Is this her training? I am training her as a fighting bard, she gets shield, armour, combat manuevers, edged weapons and physical training EVERY YEAR and OFTEN double trained in them. Why should she die?

Yes, in the game we should get injured...and often, if we are hunting. Some of Xanathia's friends joke that they have yet to see her when she DOESN"T look like an Empath and one friend has asked if it is her goal in life to financially support every Empath in the lands. She has gotten to the point that she only carries the salads that stop bleeding...and HAS been known to pause while hunting, munch some stem and grass, follow up with some leaf, then go back to hunting, minor wounds all over her body. ( I have had two times when there was, literally, a minor wound on EVERY part of her body)

However, that is not the point here. The point is that as long as there ARE positive spells, they are GOING to get cast on other. A 9th trainer hunting above their level has every bit of a right to ask for spells as a 40th trainer hunting above their level. THERE IS NO FREAKIN DIFFERENCE.

If you want to complain about people getting spell-ups causing the game mechanics to go awry, then write to the Gods and ask them to remove ALL defensive spells that are not self cast.

Xanathia CloudSinger
Bardess reg

Johnny reg

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Originally posted by Johnny:
I think Klaive has come to the best solution thus far. ::duck::

Johnny

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::Cheers::

I know a few i would like to do that to. reg

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Originally posted by Xanathia:
Okay, this is pure silliness.

Number 1) As longs as spell-ups are allowed and people can cast spells on others for positive reasons, there will be spell-ups. Saying that someone "doesn't need" certain spells because of their age is just plain silly. If you wish to go by that logic, NO-ONE of ANY age needs ANY helpful spells. If you are age 50 and you can't hunt your age without getting killed on a regular basis and spending everything you have on deeds, then go hunt 35.

Why don't we just get rid of a third of the bard songs then? After all, Kia's Song of Triumph is mainly for a group of people hunting and just causes them to rely on Bards, right?

I agree that people hunting rats and nymphs don't need spell-ups. I also disapprove of people keeping "zombie wizards" for that purpose.

However, an honest player, about to hunt a few above their level, asking nicely for a spell and willing to send/tip for it in return, getting hassled by others for it? That was plain bad manners on the part of the people hassling.

I am a high taxpayer. Right now I have two characters. Both of them are PLAYED, not zombied. My newbie ranger hasn't gotten a spell-up yet, she hasn't needed one. In a few more trains she will need it because she is an archer and her DS, to put it frankly, sucks, because she can't use a sheild. She will NEED the spell-ups to be able to hunt within her level, much less 10 trains of it.

My Bard is a bit older. She gets spell-ups frequently and she doesn't hunt more than 2 trains above her level. Even with spell-ups she dies frequently because she is a brave soul that doesn't hesitate to protect the town when there is an invasion. If she gets two hits in during that time, she counts it lucky that just MAYBE she has helped someone who is older than she last a bit longer to kill the creatures that are desicrating the town.

Even when hunting her own level, she dies if she is without spells. Is this her training? I am training her as a fighting bard, she gets shield, armour, combat manuevers, edged weapons and physical training EVERY YEAR and OFTEN double trained in them. Why should she die?

Yes, in the game we should get injured...and often, if we are hunting. Some of Xanathia's friends joke that they have yet to see her when she DOESN"T look like an Empath and one friend has asked if it is her goal in life to financially support every Empath in the lands. She has gotten to the point that she only carries the salads that stop bleeding...and HAS been known to pause while hunting, munch some stem and grass, follow up with some leaf, then go back to hunting, minor wounds all over her body. ( I have had two times when there was, literally, a minor wound on EVERY part of her body)

However, that is not the point here. The point is that as long as there ARE positive spells, they are GOING to get cast on other. A 9th trainer hunting above their level has every bit of a right to ask for spells as a 40th trainer hunting above their level. THERE IS NO FREAKIN DIFFERENCE.

If you want to complain about people getting spell-ups causing the game mechanics to go awry, then write to the Gods and ask them to remove ALL defensive spells that are not self cast.

Xanathia CloudSinger
Bardess

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Yikes sis, If this is just number 1..am afriad hear number 2..you tell em girl!

Baliana reg

Sonic reg

1. Ok, my view on this quote is, you shouldn't go into an invasion if your not at least 40 trains. You just cause more people to die coming to rescue you. Hell my cleric is 120 and has died in invasions, all you do is make the screen a mess for us to see what's going on.
2. For the most part i hate for someone to stand around asking for WOF to be cast upon them. For one they say "we'll send mana" well WOF last 10 seconds per train, per cast. Someone asks me, I start casting and they send 40 or so mana well I'm one of the older and more lucky one's that my cast last 20min per, but wait..they sent 40 mana sometimes even 100 mana but want 3 hours worth. I help people with spell-ups, but not usually WOF, I think it's an overkill when your young.
3. I don't like to be told what I can and cannot hunt, that has always rubbed me the wrong way weather I'm hunting over or under my age. But if you need WOF to hunt and under 50, re-evaluate. Your hunting above and beyond what you should be.
4. Yes as long as spells can be shared people are going to beg for spells and have other characters to spell them up. The person that butted in may not be able to cast the spell, but just may have been sick of people standing around asking for spells.
Maybe it was rude for them to comment, but isn't it rude to stand around and beg? Find someone that you can cast the spell and whisper to them your offer of mana for spells then no one will butt-in.

Summir
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Originally posted by Summir:
For the most part i hate for someone to stand around asking for WOF to be cast upon them. For one they say "we'll send mana" well WOF last 10 seconds per train, per cast. Someone asks me, I start casting and they send 40 or so mana well I'm one of the older and more lucky one's that my cast last 20min per, but wait..they sent 40 mana sometimes even 100 mana but want 3 hours worth.

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Agreed. I hate it when people say they'll send mana for 3 hours of wall of force - and you end up getting less mana than is sufficient for even 1 cast. reg

Hiway reg

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Originally posted by Hiway:
I can't believe you all are buying into this multiple personality ruse...

Hiway

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Actually, i don't give Klaive much thought at all. Was just adding my thoughts to the topic.

Summir reg

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Originally posted by Klaive:
Hell yeah! People need to mind their business! Kick them in the nads if they protest. And if they ain't got nads , give them a nipple twister!

- The Klaive

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Excellent post for a supposed self-claimed "legend" reg

What drives me up the wall. I log onto AIM. Get 5 IMs within seconds of logging on asking for spells. Not even ingame yet.

But people asking for spells. IT's there right to. I know I had to ask for spells when I hunted sherus. I didn't MA till I was 70 trainings.

But, I think if the lands became self cast. They would lose 10% of there accounts. Everyone has a second account for spells it seems... So doubt we will see that.

edge reg

I won't even go into the short duration and massive cost of Wof, either. reg

More like 25% I think. But that would probably be the best thing to ever happen to Gemstone. I submit that if self-cast was implemented on every spell over 15th in each circle (excluding ressurection of course...heh) in each circle 50+ level creatures AS could be lowered by 100 or more.

So then comes the money issue, well, people said similar things about breakage, but now that we've all been eased into it, and forging has come along, a lot of those "I'm quitting GS3" folk aren't quitting after all. I think that if self cast started with 150, 120 and 919 and worked its way down over time, some people might quit, 1% maybe, but then they'd implement some other artisan skill or have another Breg war and folk would stick around.

Simu is a master of waving good things around with its right hand and robbing you blind with its left, they've been doing it for 22 years and they'll keep on doing it. That's just good business sense, Microsoft, International Paper, Exxon, all the big boys do it, its what they teach in any good business program: Ease them into it and they'll learn to love it.

-Revalos reg

I asked 1 time for spells for my friend, only 1 time before the comment was made. Can't see that as begging.
Sides i never beg, would be beneath me.

As for you hiway, I am really Esmee, this is not Klaive, don't believe me, I'll give you my Aol screen name and AIM name, geez all ready.

Also to those people who do ask for WOF and do not provide enough mana for it just suck.

If wall of forse was not meant to given, then it should be self cast, reg

Mike

Zanagan/Zarosa

[This message has been edited by Zanagodly (edited 12-01-2001).] reg

I agree.

If wall of forse was not meant to given, then it should be self cast.

I agree, it should be.

I asked 1 time for spells for my friend, only 1 time before the comment was made. Can't see that as begging.
Sides i never beg, would be beneath me.

Have you ever sat in the park for just 5 minutes? or even on the net? You are constantly hearing..would someone cast some strength on me. Can i get a shot of alkars from someone? It just gets irritating. You just happened to get the brunt of someone that was tired of hearing it i guess.

Summir
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People doin that junk is why Wall is gonna be self cast. Then it's screwed for the people who are high level who could really use it.

Snook reg

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Originally posted by Hiway:
I can't believe you all are buying into this multiple personality ruse...

Hiway

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Hmm...a favorite tactic of some on these boards it seems.

More than one person who actually disagrees with you appear in a relatively short span of time and _of course_ they must all be the same person.

Same thing was stated about myself and others. Heh. My offense was that I chose not to agree that Simu is some cabal out to do bad evil things to us all.

reg

I know the feeling, though i am a cleric i constantly get bugged for well of life,
i guess people don't want to wait the few minutes it takes to gain it back.
If it isn't wol i am bein asked for it is my mana.
But i never really complain to them and just like those who cast wof also have the right to refuse.

reg

You wouldn't believe how much i hear empaths are needed, now that i'm not allowed in, it's pretty sad... and i had every spell... minor spirit to 50, major to 50, empath to 50... If i had a 'slave' wizard, or a friend i could use who had a wizard <and believe me, i can roleplay two characters at once, unless they like start whispering to the second person how much they hate me <urgoyle> then i get a little upset..

But still, 4 hours of 101, 107, 120, 3 hours of 103, and about 1.5 hours of 202, and 219... who needs more?... and if they do, i can slap on a few walls, and send them on their way post haste... That's all i wanted to do is help in the end, and it's pretty rotten when even that is taken from you..

-Urgoyle 'R is for really upset' Stellerax reg

~ Kaliopia reg

Des

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Originally posted by Desmonique:
If someone is around constantly yelling for defensive spells, hit them with an airwall.
That will curb their asking for a while.

Des

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I like your style! reg

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Originally posted by Desmonique:
If someone is around constantly yelling for defensive spells, hit them with an airwall.
That will curb their asking for a while.

Des

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That'll getcha warned, it's an offensive spell, according to $taff....

Urgoyle 'Y is for "Ye$, i wa$ once in with the premium player$ clubhouse$... then i realized you get what you pay for"' Stellerax
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