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Yesterday, I believe it was the 8th of December, I came across an Ora claidhmore that was a raffeled premie item, I found it at a table. And Tanager was crying about losing it and offered a 6.6m note and a 6x blessable altered and scripted OHE for its return, So I went to meet her and told her to come alone, not tell anyone my name and bring the items. When she refused to give me the reward first, she started blabbering my name all over the lands, which caused disruption, so I tried to avoid her confrontation, then Brauden pulled me and was talking to me. Telling me I HAD to give it back or he would lockout my account, which he later did, but first, she DROPPED it, I didnt steal it, I found it, in news 5/7 and 5/8 it explains how if you lose an item there is no way of returning it, so GM Brauden broke his own rules by going against me in this one. Then after his threats of locking me out and me getting warnings, I made an agreement, the agreement was, her reward I would take, but instead of the note being 6.6m, it would be 2m and I would donate the note to the Mentors Society, so I did that, so she put the Machera and the 2m note in a cloak and handed it to me, and I handed her the satchel with the Claid in it, she was happy, I was happy, it was over. I go to look at the Machera, its gone. GM Brauden pulls me again saying hes going to lock me out, even though I did what was told. A few minutes later a friend sends me a log of him returning the machera and the note to Tanager, This whole thing could have been avoided if I would of been a more of an arrogant person and not even tried to give her the chance of getting her item back, and I get the bad end of the deal in the long wrong, I dont think I was treated fairly, being that you guys say if you drop and item its your fault, so I think the claid belongs to me, but I dont even care at this point, I would just like my accounts to be unlocked. Thank you, and please get back to me.

Please let me know what you think. reg

Mike

Zanagan/Zarosa reg

I remember losing a nice red laen shield by trusting a guy that wanted to look at the dachre on it (before you could show it to someone). I handed him the shield and off he ran. I reported the incident and was told that they couldn't do anything about it.

Gotta love the consistency.

Hiway reg

Sounds like someone made up a nice reward system in an effort to get her sword back and never intended to give them the items and have a GM force it back, regardless of how it was lost. I love how people make a big deal about roleplaying but only do it for situations that benefit them and report the rest.

Finders keepers, loosers weepers.. if it was so prized, she should have been more careful with it. And if she was willing to reward for the return, she should have held up her end of the bargain.

Would I get upset if I lost my favorite piece of weaponry? Sure! Would I offer a reward for it? You bet. Would I back down because I don't want to give up the reward? Hell no. They took the time to seek me out to return it me, they deserve the reward.

I don't see why the GM had anything to do with this. You didn't steal it, you found it. He should have told her to handle it herself. They don't intercede when there is a fraudulent sale on the merchanting net (as in selling a mystery note which ends up selling for 1mil and it's a 1k note.. gotta love those), I don't know why they did it here either. GM's are OOC right? Then why are they acting as referee in a character problem? Bah, I'm babbling but all of that just bothered me SO much. I hope everything works out soon. reg

I think the "right" thing to do is to return items found on the ground if you know who they belong to. I've been in a hurry and dropped items, and some of them have been returned, but most haven't. I realize it was my fault that I wasn't careful and dropped things, so I can't really cry "foul" if someone picks them up.

I had kind of a similar situation happen to me. Someone was leaving the Lands, and kept trying to give me his 10x weapon. This person had some "issues" and I didn't want a darn thing from him. He kept offering, and I kept declining and leaving the area. He caught up to me, dropped the weapon on the ground and logged off. I picked up the weapon and placed it in my locker. I was planning to return the stupid thing when he became "sane" again.

The next night, he kept locating and being a pest, and then started in about his weapon. I completely ignored him, and the next thing I knew I was in the Consultation Lounge and was instructed to go to my locker and return the weapon to him. I returned the weapon and told him if he ever dropped anything around me again, I would leave it for someone else to pick up.

In your case, it appears that everyone was happy and it had all worked out. If that's all there is to the story, I'm not sure why you are locked out. Maybe you were a tad greedy, but if greediness is a reason to be locked out, the majority of the people in Elanthia would be sitting in jail cells!

Summer

reg

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Originally posted by Summerlyn:
That claid was the first raffle item from one of four that a merchant (Stiley?) from Frostacres raffled off. One of my assistant's was in the tent where the raffle was taking place. Tanager's name was drawn as the winner of the claid. Before the second name was drawn (an hour later), people in the tent were discussing how she had dropped and lost the claid.

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Oh I know I'm going to sound an incredibly insensitive person... but I laughed when I read that. How do you lose an item that fast? I'm no perfectionist, and have managed to put things in the wrong containers because I didn't put "my", but dropped? I've never dropped anything ever since you have to type "put (or drop I think works also) claid" and it drops it. How much of a hurry was she in to not see that it was dropped and not put into a container? For something that valuable, I would have set up a macro right then and there, or looked constantly to make sure it was where it was supposed to be.

It's not so much that she dropped it and wanted it back... that's understandable. It was offering a reward, not living up to it, AND calling in a GM to handle it, and THEN the reward being given back to her. That was blatently wrong. reg

People in the tent were shocked that Tanager lost the weapon that fast! Right after her name was drawn, she had said she was going immediately to register the thing. Apparently right after she registered the weapon, she lost it a table.

Summer

reg

Good lords, since when did GM's become the 'morals' police?

Yep, this is the kind of forced sunshine that gives me ulcers.

reg

Hiway reg

Also, Tanager was wrong to go broadcasting your name all over the net.

Thirdly, Brauden was wrong. Do not clearly state in policy that staff does not have the right to interfere in such matters, and then break the rules in singular cases. It's not fair to the rest of the customers.

So, even though Imatek is a greedy jackass in my opinion, there are no grounds to lock him out.

Murp reg

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Originally posted by Truth:
My opinion - You were wrong Imatek. Instead of being helpful, you tried to milk every silver out of her that you could, and ended up getting a bite in the ass instead.

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Yeah, he could have just kept it for himself, put it in his locker for a few months until everyone forgot about it, then sell it to someone for way more than she was rewarding for it.

You're right. They were all wrong.. Imatek for thinking of just himself, Tanager for thinking of just herself, and the GM for thinking of.. uh.. no.. just not thinking at all. reg

Would be interesting to see how this all went down. reg

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Originally posted by mobbdeep:
Oh please Murp, EVERYONE in Gemstone III is greedy, so your just a stupid jackass for calling me a greedy jackass.

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Have fun when you start hunting critters that disarm.

Murp reg

Lord Deprav reg

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Originally posted by mobbdeep:
nope didnt log em, should of tho

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Oh well. Would have been interesting to read. Let us know what you hear back from feedback/lockout. reg

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Originally posted by Lord Deprav:
In no way was he really being greedy. He was offered a reward which was totally declined after he came forward. He basically had went through hell because of trying to help someone else out? And then after they decline he was willing to cut the reward to at least a quater of what it was. And then donate to the mentor society which is a good cause. I think that is one of the dumbest things ever. I would have not even settled to donate it to the mentor society. You get a reward I would have taken it. I am not in anyway a greedy person. Hell I probaly would have given it away to a useful cause after I got it but thats beside the point. I can't believe that they would do that to you. Very unproffesional.

Lord Deprav

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This isn't even the whole true story!

Imatek tried to ransom the item for almost 7 million coins after hearing that a reward of 2 million coins was offered. Why couldn't he just take the reward instead of being greedy?

Tanager was totally willing to give into his "blackmail" and pay that sum. Granted, not using MY to put the item away wasn't smart.

I lost an item in a similar way and also was lucky enough to recover it, from an honest person who asked for nothing in return. What I was told at my referral before I got the weapon back, is that it's an abuse of game mechanics to leave containers lying on the ground hoping someone will leave a "present" for you, and if they find you doing this on purpose, you can be warned or locked out.

My 8X falchion was almost lost this way, and it could have been a very expensive lesson to learn to use hot buttons and MY when putting stuff away. I think I was lucky.

Tanager did not "drop" her weapon, as Imatek told people. He didn't just find it. He had another person involved that passed it to him and our posse was chasing him around, too.

S.D.

[This message has been edited by StDymphna (edited 12-10-2001).] reg

Break me reg

Feedback will not overturn a lockout. Even if the GM is in the wrong. That would be admitting that GMs could make mistakes. Ask feedback if there ever was GM corruption and they will deny it...hehe.

Sorry, you are going to have to serve the ban. If you send in letters trying to dispute it. Daecir will threaten in perma ban.

If you write Melissa, she will ignor you letter.

So what do you do for justice? I say go postal at Simucon. I will bring a camera. But what everyone else will tell you is. Bend over and take the banning. Whether you was right or wrong.

edge

reg

You all question everything any GM says up, down and backwards.. but the minute anyone says they're locked out unfairly you blindly believe every word they say.

More often than not there's another side to the story that the locked out person doesn't talk about. Remember that. reg

Is Imatek the younger character you tried to hide the claidhmore on, or the older one you grabbed the claidh with?

Why was it on the younger character to begin with?

How did the cloak happen to be laying on the ground at the table to begin with? I've seen a lot of junk sitting on tables, but I've never seen a pocketed item besides the odd heavy backpack.

She refused to give you the reward first...you also refused to give her the claidh first. Did either of you try finding an acceptable neutral party? Did you show her the claidh before the exchange was to happen?

What it sounds like is that you had a nice little trick going and got caught. I might be wrong and you were being a nice guy, but something smells and it ain't the month old tuna in the fridge.

Specto, off to clean out his fridge

reg

Good point.

I was actually in the lands when this occured. There were many thoughts on the blacknet discussing this issue and a very big reward for the return of the item.

Now regardless of whether or not the poster is revealing everything, it does bring up a good question as to what seems appropriate if someone does drop a very special item. In the real world, if you misplace something, it's still yours and if someone else finds it, legally they have an obligation to return it to you or give it to the police. GS however isn't the real world, so perhaps GS can be exempt from this rule... perhaps not.

Is it the players fault that they might have accidently put a very valuable item in a cloak on the floor and thus should never EXPECT to get it back? Or can this be seen as a faulty game mechanic, and as such if something of great value were placed in an item on the ground, it should be returned?

My opinion of the lockout is, if you did not place the cloak on the ground then you should not have been locked out. Being made to return the object without reward is all you would need to have done. However, if you did place the cloak on the ground with the intention of having someone "accidently" put something in the cloak, it could be seen that you were trying to take advantage of a game mechanic, and I can understand why you would have been locked out for it.

- Lord Kranar, human Archwizard

[This message has been edited by LordKranar (edited 12-10-2001).] reg

I dropped a cloak at a table once with my self mana quake sword in it. Then got booted.

I came back. Everyone said Faelenor picked it up. He denied picking it up.

I assisted. Was told by the GM. It's your own fault for dropping it. They would not retreive or replace it. It was my fault.

Now how is this any different? Only difference is. The people involved.

As I said. Policy is what the GM at the time wants it to be. That's not bashing or flaming them. It's a fact of life in the lands nowadays.

edge reg

It's so pathetic for people to come whining and bitching on the boards only telling half the story to make themselves look like the innocent little angel who is being singled out and picked on. Sad thing is that people follow the comments like a flock of sheep. reg

a) favoritism (in this case...very little)
b) yet another instance of change in policy

GM's!

Make up your damn mind on how you want to enforce policy. reg

<<It's so pathetic for people to come whining and bitching on the boards only telling half
the story to make themselves look like the innocent little angel who is being singled out and picked on. Sad thing is that people follow the comments like a flock of sheep.>>

Hmmm.... several of us questioned if there was more to the story.

I agree, some people don't reveal all the details, but I also know that there are people here that DO tell the whole story. I think that the truth tends to come out sooner, or later. And if you visit here for any length of time, you can make up your own mind as to who seems to be fairly honest, and who is just full of caa-caa.

Summer

reg

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Originally posted by mobbdeep:
Im sure by now most of you know the name, Imatek, the other day I came across an ora claid, and, well, heres my feedback written to lockout@simutronics.com, <etc. etc. etc.>
Please let me know what you think.

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Well, honestly? I think if this is true, and you just posted the letter you wrote them, they ain't gonna be happy... if you post the reply, well, then... you might find yourself in a worse situation, i just first saw this folder, and i'll prolly be making many posts as i read down..

-Goyle reg

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Originally posted by StDymphna:

Tanager did not "drop" her weapon, as Imatek told people. He didn't just find it. He had another person involved that passed it to him and our posse was chasing him around, too.

S.D.

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That wouldn't happen to be the 'favored GM friends' posse, would it be?... I'm still going with imatek on this, and shame for everyone calling him greedy for wanting the promised reward...

If i go kill bin laden, and bring his head to george bush, and expect my 25 million dollars, and instead he accuses me of being a terrorist, sends me to one of those secret tribunals, and has me executed secretly, how would that be any different?... It's utterly UTTERLY ridiculous, that someone would wave a reward around, then call in her GM friend.

And on the off chance that your bit about him lying is true <though new posters here usually have a 'breaking in' period to pass before anyone believes they just aren't a GM or friend posting support... helps to leave your real character name too>, then don't worry, because feedback will see the record, read the logs, and find some reason to keep him banned.

Also, I'm wondering, is Imatek a basic subscriber, and Tanager a premium? Because she came from the premium raffle... wonder who drew the tickets anyway... maybe he was being 'disruptive' by being a basic subscriber with a premie item. How dare he not pay extra money to get extra perks, and the staff off your back, like everyone else does?

-Urgoyle reg

This is supposed to be happy fun sunshine land... Just think, if you were in real good with 'the crowd' you BOTH could've had a nice ora claidhmore...

Oh well...

-goyle reg

I don't know if broken-policy is the correct term to use...

However...I do think that it's been discussed here before...whenever stuff like this _does_ happen...it seems that a few select GM's (I'm not naming names) are usually the one's at fault in changing their minds on how they think that certain situations should be handled.

Although I can't pass a huge amount of judgement on this case due to the fact that obviously the entire story hasn't been told...

I do feel that certain issues need to be put in stone...

I've been preaching this for quite sometime.

reg

In the case of misplacing a special item, ideal would be that if the item was registered, then it should be returned to the righful owner. Although I've always questioned how the registry works. Let's say I misplaced my axe which was registered to me, and someone finds it and registers it as well. Does that registry override mine, or is there now two axes registered to two owners? That's always been a puzzlement to me.

In any case, it was always stated that once it's on the ground, you're subject to losing it. The Thrak warrior makes a big deal about making sure you understand to use the word "my" when trying to put things in your own container, because you will lose it if you put it elsewhere.

It sounds like no one is giving the complete story to avoid looking bad on either side. However, because the GM was involved, therefore assuming that Tanager assisted, is where I'm disagreeing with the way the situation was handled. I don't believe the GM should have assisted in any way. I remember when I lost my piccolo in plat, I assisted just to see if they could find out where I put it (heh, wasn't sure how the logs worked then) and I was told they can't replace it since it was my responsibility to take care of my own things and they can't track every single item. So why is it alright that Tanager get assistance for this? That's where I'm not in agreement with, regardless of whether it was a scam, it was found, or if it was handed to the wrong person. It was a character problem and should have been left for them to solve, not the GM. reg

Break me reg

I heard aboiut him losing that ewave weapon. Did they really replace it?

GMs just stealing items back. Hrm...

edge reg

I love it when items dupe during a game crash

reg

Break me reg

Were you trying to make a point?

I was going off on a tangent and thinking out loud, sorry for your confusion.

reg

As far as this situation is concerned on the claid, I think if you truly found the claid and she had offered a reward, she should have paid it. A decent person would have refused it, but that is another story. Ideally, if you are roleplaying a greedy person, then you would have kept this to that one character, but you didn't.

I don't think a GM should have gotten involved in normal circumstances, unless you were hiding under the table waiting to nab the item. (I'm not saying you were, I'm just saying that I would expect them to if anyone were baiting with the cloak, and grabbed it and ran as soon as someone made a mistake, not giving them time to correct their error.)

GMs have pretty much taken away our ability to handle the situation on our own, since we cannot force you to give the item back. No lopping off of the arm, etc, no stealing the item back. No ability to do much of anything, beyond the possibily of costing you ONE and only ONE deed. I will say tho, that you seemed to be AWFULLY aware of this fact, since you hid the item on a level 2 character to protect that character from any attack. That does make the situation look badly on you. And this brings up the point that if you were using the game mechanics to enhance your ability to keep the item so you can profit from it, then it's really making me feel less sympathy for you with regard to the GM involvement...

I have no idea what it is you were saying on the net, but if you were taunting her, then you only aggravated the situation and made it worse for yourself.

RP a greedy character. But do expect there to be consequences...And they should be IG consequences. Abusing the loopholes in the game to continue your con, (logging to avoid IG consequences, switching the item to a "protected status" character, etc) then the GMs were right to become involved.

And if GMs are going to become involved with this situation, they are setting the precedent to do so in ALL cases, not just for people they like or who have never caused trouble.

Aerienne

reg

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Originally posted by Aerienne:
As far as this situation is concerned on the claid, I think if you truly found the claid and she had offered a reward, she should have paid it. A decent person would have refused it, but that is another story.

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Do people really read what has been posted and they are replying to?

Let me remind you what we know from the posts here:

THE CLAID: Imatek didn't truly find the claid. He's admitted an older character of his did, and he gave it to a younger character of his to hold onto to avoid being attacked. And, as another poster and part of the non-GM "posse" pointed out, when he was confronted about it at first, he logged out!

A lot of nice roleplaying going on there! He was being a total jerk about it on the amunet, too, which was why a group of us decided to try and find him. Wouldn't you want to go thump a twit? And if he didn't want to be attacked, why did he draw attention to himself by baiting people?

THE REWARD: Tanager DID offer a reward, 2 million silvers, and was more than willing to pay it! How do you think Imatek found out who to contact and then try to resell the item back to her for almost 7 million silvers?

Tanager was more than happy to pay the resale sum to get it back, plus some!

THE GM: If the GM told Imatek not to take the money and give the claid back, it was probably because of the running, baiting, hiding and logging out. If you're gonna play greedy, at least have the balls to roleplay it and deal with the confrontation instead of hiding and logging!

THE CLOAK: So he knows it was a run of the mill cloak from the shop in town. I wonder who put it on the ground hoping to get a little present? My guess is the older character.

~ S.D. ~ reg

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Originally posted by StDymphna:
THE CLOAK: So he knows it was a run of the mill cloak from the shop in town. I wonder who put it on the ground hoping to get a little present? My guess is the older character.

~ S.D. ~

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It was found at a table, correct? Wouldn't the cloak have to have been there before Tanager got to the table? How do you plant a cloak at a table you don't know a person's going to sit at?

And just because he knew where the cloak could have been bought at doesn't mean that's what happened. I know the descriptions of most of the cloaks sold in the store near the boutique. Does that mean that any store cloak laying around was planted by me because I know that info?

I think everyone's assuming too much about what happened and the only ones who know are the three involved. From the looks of it, no one plans to tell the real story just to make sure everyone gangs up on the other person.

[This message has been edited by CrystalTears (edited 12-11-2001).] reg

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Originally posted by CrystalTears:
Let's say I misplaced my axe which was registered to me, and someone finds it and registers it as well. Does that registry override mine, or is there now two axes registered to two owners? That's always been a puzzlement to me.

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When you register something, part of the message tells you that it's not proof of ownership. If you register something, it's merely a record that you had an item with X properties at Y time.

reg

BUT...

For Imatek to get locked out of the game over it, I can't help thinking there is more to the story than that. reg

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Originally posted by CrystalTears:
It was found at a table, correct? Wouldn't the cloak have to have been there before Tanager got to the table? How do you plant a cloak at a table you don't know a person's going to sit at?]

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Here's how:

>go table

>drop my cloak

>hide

Wait for nice person to come along, forget to use MY when putting something away in their cloak.

>get cloak
You come out from hiding.

>o

You exit the table.

The point is, he didn't know Tanager would be there, but if someone wanted to try to scam people at tables who were careless, you can do it, and just the way I said.

I lost my falchion by accidentally putting it in a sheath that was on the ground at the small park. Fortunately for me, someone saw me do it and grabbed it, but since I was running around doing errands and then headed down to Solhaven, it took a while for them to find me.

I'm glad the person that found my weapon was honest, and I would certainly do the same in return, knowing how it feels now.

~ S.D. ~ reg

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Do people really read what has been posted and they are replying to?
---StDymphna

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Sorry, but it bugs me when people twist my words out of context.

Aerienne reg

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Originally posted by StDymphna:
Here's how:

>go table

>drop my cloak

>hide

Wait for nice person to come along, forget to use MY when putting something away in their cloak.

>get cloak
You come out from hiding.

>o

You exit the table.

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Assuming that person even has a cloak in the first place, and that it's used to put weapons in and that they go to the same exact table you're at. What are the friggin odds?!

Even when hiding at a table, there is still someone at the table, and you would have to go specifically to that person's table to go there. Unless this was changed recently, but to my knowledge, hidden and invisible people still take up table space, so that when you look at the tables, it's taken but no names are shown. You would have to go to that specific table to get to it.. twice. Talk about persistance.

[This message has been edited by CrystalTears (edited 12-11-2001).]

Edited again to fix the table name part.

[This message has been edited by CrystalTears (edited 12-11-2001).] reg

I would have never thought of something like this, if this is a trick. I'm sure going to check under the tables now, but I wonder if one of my assistant's checks (they are all 1 training and just hold things), would they see someone hiding under there, or is it like "normal" hiding, where your detection skill is based on your training?

Summer reg

By typing "go table" you go to an empty table, with no hiders or invisible people. If this changed, you'll have to show me, with "go table" and then someone coming out from under the table.

>look tab
You look around the room to see who is seated at the various tables.

[Cat's Paw Table]

Type GO <table name> TABLE or GO <person> TABLE to be seated.

** It was a coincidence there was a hider during this experiment.**

go cat tabl
You approach the Cat's Paw Table. As you do, you get a distinct feeling you are being watched. If you are sure you wish to go to that table, GO there again in the next ten seconds.
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go cat tabl

You head over to the Cat's Paw Table.
>out
>look tab
You look around the room to see who is seated at the various tables.

[Cat's Paw Table]

Type GO <table name> TABLE or GO <person> TABLE to be seated.
>go tab
You head over to the Hammer Table.

Quite honestly, if you rush to your favorite table where there's someone already there, hiding or not, do it twice, too much in a rush to put the item in the right container and not use MY, still too busy to realize you put it in the wrong place, and run out, then you don't deserve the item in the first place if you're going to be that careless about it, especially an hour after the raffle! I'm horrible, yes, but it doesn't make sense to me. And THEN cry to a GM to get it back? I'm so glad I'm not a GM. I would have laughed.

[This message has been edited by CrystalTears (edited 12-11-2001).] reg

Sorry for the confusion.

Summer reg

If you are inviso and stalking someone, would they be able to see you following? Or do you get barred from following to the table until you go visible? I never go inviso so I don't remember...::chuckles;: But I remember there being some sort of safety feature in there.

If someone were going to play that game of drop the bag, then they would most likely do it somewhere like the park, where you wouldn't notice in the screen scroll. Either that or just hang out in the clothier's, where people lose stuff to the cloaks on the rack all the time.

Aerienne reg

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Originally posted by Summerlyn:
You're right, Crystaltears.. duh! If you "go table" no one would be there, hidden, or visible! I just started thinking about that pocketed cloak being there, and how it sounded similar to the claid incident.

Sorry for the confusion.

Summer

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I just didn't want to start seeing a spout of paranoia everytime you go to a table to have to check under the table. ::snickers:: reg

For example he might be locked out for bringing in a character who was not involved in the situation...or for logging out of the game to avoid consequences...or for any number of reasons. I doubt we will know for sure since no GMs can confirm why he was locked out and I doubt he will tell the truth of why he was locked out. I take all of the "they locked me out for no reason" posts with a grain of salt

-Satan's little mischief maker reg

Hiway-ok.. reg

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Originally posted by StDymphna:
Here's how:

>go table

>drop my cloak

>hide

Wait for nice person to come along, forget to use MY when putting something away in their cloak.

>get cloak
You come out from hiding.

>o

You exit the table.

The point is, he didn't know Tanager would be there, but if someone wanted to try to scam people at tables who were careless, you can do it, and just the way I said.

I lost my falchion by accidentally putting it in a sheath that was on the ground at the small park. Fortunately for me, someone saw me do it and grabbed it, but since I was running around doing errands and then headed down to Solhaven, it took a while for them to find me.

I'm glad the person that found my weapon was honest, and I would certainly do the same in return, knowing how it feels now.

~ S.D. ~

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People trying to 'go table' wouldn't go to your table, they'd get a 'all tables are full' message... then you can 'look table'... and if you try to go table again, and get the same message, then try to go to the 'empty' table twice, someone MUST be there... look under the table, if they aren't there, then they are invisible... and if you see a cloak laying there, 'baiting' you, then you are a fool for putting your items in it..

Sorry, it just doesn't work like that... for this circumstance to happen, imatek would have had to plant a cloak at a table... leave it... HOPE that tanager goes to THAT table, THEN hope that she makes a mistake, THEN hope she leaves the claidh, THEN hope that she doesn't notice, THEN hope that she leaves before too long, THEN hope she doesn't go for her weapon first, THEN hope someone ELSE doesn't go sit at the table, and see what is there...

Any way you spin it, that's a lotta fu''in variables..

-goyle reg

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Originally posted by Hiway:
And this one time poster with that name we are to believe?

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What? And you believe any Joe Blow with 6 messages and that comes bitchin' on these boards about how GM Soandso locked him out for no good reason? ::roll eyes::

You are trying waaay too hard to buy into the conspiracy theory. The whole thing could be true but the guy only said to take it with a grain of salt and I agree with him, regardless whatever the hell he calls himself. (pun not intended) ::shrugs::

Bianca reg

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I got no dukes. reg

Lord Deprav reg

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Originally posted by mobbdeep:
The reward was 6.6m and a 6x blessable scripted weapon...

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::laughs:: Imatek, you lie so bad... anyone listening to the amunet that night knows the original reward was 2 million silvers and that YOU were the one who jacked it up to be a 6.6 million silvers ransom with a 6X weapon, which Tanager's friends were more than willing to help her amass.

You also forgot to mention that you found the weapon as your older character, gave it to a younger character, and you logged out to avoid dealing with people after being a jerk on the amunet.

Sure, if I was faced with a possible lockout by a GM, I'd back down quickly and offer to take the original reward, too. Whose idea was it to offer it as a donation to the mentors?

~ S.D. ~ reg

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Originally posted by Hiway:
And this one time poster with that name we are to believe?

Hiway-ok..

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Yes, I agree.

Let's wait until they have at least as many posts as lets see...oh howabout GSlawyer?

Or...shocking idea, we could just read the post and see if we feel it makes sense and raises valid points. reg

mobb deep is a varitable god

brauden was pretty reasonable with me when i dealt with him but he said im on thin ice which is gay cuz people get in trouble for the stupidest stuff in GS

simu says in their policy that they keep out of player conflicts but it's obviously not true, they should just get their noses out of peoples business and stop trying to spank kids for being naughty and not eating their peas or whatever

-Zent reg

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I just want to point this out for posterity...

staff's view - disgruntled axe grinders = player's view - paying customers

reg

My reply is, his first offer was 2m, and after a while it reached 6.6m and the 6x weapon, thats when i decided to accept, I should have been a real ass, not giving her ANY chance to get it back, thrown it in my locker, and sold it in a few months for 15m. But I end up getting locked. reg

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Originally posted by Claire:
This board is without question one of the most entertaining things I read regularly. The disgruntled axe grinders here never fail to crack me up.

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What cracks me up more is this post.

Hiway
reg

We want changed for the better in the lands. We will even support you if you ever get wronged.

Amazing how they say that till it happens to them.

edge reg

GSLawyer anyone? I rest my case.

Bianca, legal lawyer for Gemstoners too!
reg

GsLawyer lied to me to. He did write letters threatening a law suit to people that did a ebay scam. Original Pipershadow did a ebay scam. Cash the check and never transferred the character. GsLawyer got him to put in the transfer after he would not do it for the buyer.

So some good did come of it. Whether or not he was a real lawyer he did some good.

Might ask what good you have done for anyone? Not much other then bash people.

I can ask myself that. I have done free enchants. Given away more then you probably own in the lands. I don't scam. I don't cheat anyone. I will lk the people I hate and drag them back to be raised. Can you say any of this? I doubt it.

Plus, I never turn away someone asking a question or help.

I don't wish anyone to get kicked out, banned or lose their items. I can tell that you wish those things upon people with your attitude.

Not all GMs suck. But like I said before. When you get non stop complaints about only a few of them. Then any intelligent person can come to a conclusion that there might be a problem.

edge reg

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Originally posted by edge:
Policy is what the GM wants it to be. Sorry people. Should not piss one off....Period.

Feedback will not overturn a lockout. Even if the GM is in the wrong. That would be admitting that GMs could make mistakes. Ask feedback if there ever was GM corruption and they will deny it...hehe.

Sorry, you are going to have to serve the ban. If you send in letters trying to dispute it. Daecir will threaten in perma ban.

If you write Melissa, she will ignor you letter.

So what do you do for justice? I say go postal at Simucon. I will bring a camera. But what everyone else will tell you is. Bend over and take the banning. Whether you was right or wrong.

edge

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LOL!! Yup your right gotta bend over and take it up the back side.
I was locked out because someone i know found an item that was hidden (magically, somehow) and in this unseen item was another item, That item was taken out of this unseen item and WOW! He had a funny named thing in his hand, What was it? Was one of thos fists and when you open it, it handed him 2 billion silvers.
Don't know if any of you heard of this before but i got locked out because of it, along with a few others.
Can not say the GM's involved were unfair or treated me wrong. However the lockout was wrong, at least that is what i think.
Anyways the point is, there basicaly is nothing you can do Imatek but to bend over and take it like a man. Sure it sucks, but being perma banned is worse.

And yes i think GM's will never admit when they are wrong, it is a control thing. They got the power and they know it. They know we freak when we can't get into gemstone, at least some of us do.
My advice to you is to Deal! Now you know why they call them selves, gods. reg

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Originally posted by Esmee:
Was one of thos fists and when you open it, it handed him 2 billion silvers.
Don't know if any of you heard of this before but i got locked out because of it, along with a few others.

Can not say the GM's involved were unfair or treated me wrong. However the lockout was wrong, at least that is what i think.

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If I got anything or sold anything that was what I considered an extraordinary amount (and that would probably be something over a million coins), I'd be very suspicious about it. Instead of assuming that I was supposed to have it, I would contact a GM immediately to see if it was a mistake or something that others could exploit.

Like the old caveat goes: "If it seems too good to be true, then it probably is." That goes for finding one of those silver hands that gives you coins, or selling a home (or something in it) for a ton of silvers.

It doesn't hurt to type assist just to be sure what you found is yours, free and clear. And if you think you can get away with keeping it, think again of the stories posted here by those who got locked out for doing just that.

~ S. D. ~
(who has,achingly, turned in weapons that duplicated in a crash, even when there was breakage.) reg

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Originally posted by Esmee:
LOL!! Yup your right gotta bend over and take it up the back side.
I was locked out because someone i know found an item that was hidden (magically, somehow) and in this unseen item was another item, That item was taken out of this unseen item and WOW! He had a funny named thing in his hand, What was it? Was one of thos fists and when you open it, it handed him 2 billion silvers.
Don't know if any of you heard of this before but i got locked out because of it, along with a few others.
Can not say the GM's involved were unfair or treated me wrong. However the lockout was wrong, at least that is what i think.
Anyways the point is, there basicaly is nothing you can do Imatek but to bend over and take it like a man. Sure it sucks, but being perma banned is worse.

And yes i think GM's will never admit when they are wrong, it is a control thing. They got the power and they know it. They know we freak when we can't get into gemstone, at least some of us do.
My advice to you is to Deal! Now you know why they call them selves, gods.

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Why did YOU get locked out for your friend finding an item and not returning it?

What's the connection?

reg

Okay... I wasn't even gonna jump in on this discussion, but this moron [edge] brought me into it... so I guess it's on like Natty Strong.

Yes. I'm the original owner of Pipershadow. I got him to level 75, thought I would quit GS and was a broke college freshman, so I sold him to a guy that went by Defa. I put Piper on EBay in mid-February. He got sold. The fella Defa sent me a check. I got the check, deposited it, then had to wait for the check to go through. Guess what, Spring Break came at the exact time. I went home. No computer, no way to communicate with Defa. I get home, and call the bank. The check still hasn't cleared. I call the bank Wednesday, thank goodness, the check cleared. I went back to school Saturday and I have an E-Mail waiting in my mailbox from some "GSLawyer". Now firstly, it was EMail. If he really meant business, shoulda been a written document (official type thing). Secondly, the said letter was filled with grammatical errors and actually made me laugh (I still have it if anyone wants a copy). Anyways, I hit Defa back, say I'm sorry for being unattainable, he says it's all good. Deal goes through flawlessly. Only thing was Defa had to wait a few extra days and I got a good laugh from a moron "lawyer". Now edge, before you go runnin lip, get your facts straight or keep my name out your mouth. Ya underdig homie?

rht who does not like idiots that assume reg

Frankly, whatever good I've done is for me and the people I helped to know. I don't need to splash my character's name all over the place and constantly tell people my good deeds to prove my 'manhood' on some message boards.

Bianca, founding member of Cowardly Anonymous Gemstoners ::smirks::

PS. My willingness to poke fun at you doesn't mean I don't appreciate you mellowing out on the posts. Chill out and drink a beer before posting sometimes, Edge. Maybe text doesn't convey the feelings in your words right, but it'll sure help you from getting so emotional when posting. reg

Nobody trusted you. You had all those gang alters that they made you change. You stole from people. You have no credibilty.

I think a month is a excessive time not to trasfer the character. Does anyone here believe it took a month for a check to clear? Does anyone here believe that a month to transfer a character is reasonable? Give us a break. I will ask Defa to explain fully what happened.

<<If I got anything or sold anything that was what I considered an extraordinary amount (and that would probably be something over a million coins), I'd be very suspicious about it. Instead of assuming that I was supposed to have it, I would contact a GM immediately to see if it was a mistake or something that others could exploit.>>

Sorry to say. Summerlyn did assist and did speak with a GM. Who said there was nothing wrong and still got banned for 90 days. She wrote lockout who said Melissa upheld the ban. She wrote Melissa who said she didn't know what Deacir was talking about. But guess what? She spent 101 days locked out unfairly.

Things like that should never happen for any reason. If it happened to her. It can happen to anyone.

edge reg

As for noone trusting me because of my alters or because I pickpocketed people? How very humorous. And the GMs made me change 1 alter. That was my bandana which went a bit far. The pants? Nope. Never made ME change them. My mask? Nope. My armor? Yup, but because of another reason, not the gang reference. Anyways, in the words of T.I.P... I strongly suggest you keep my name out ya mouth.

rht reg

rht who still doesn't appreciate assumptions. reg

Joe: "I have $1000 in my pocket."
Shmoe: "No you don't. Sam says that you don't even have that much in the bank."
Joe: "Who the heck is Sam? I said.. I have $1000 in my pocket." and pulls out the money.
Shmoe: "That's not yours. You can't prove you put it there."

You will never win this battle with some people. reg

But, I will contact him after he gets back from the holidays and let him explain it to everyone.

edge reg

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Originally posted by NoOneImportant:
Why did YOU get locked out for your friend finding an item and not returning it?

What's the connection?

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dunno if anyone answered on this yet, because i'm just reading through posts, and too lazy to go back and reply to it later...

But there's a lil part of policy that talks about game mechanics abuse and such, and it basicly works like murder does IRL... If you see or know or hear of someone abusing a bug, or game mechanics, and you don't tell a GM, you're subject to the same punishment they recieve...

Your empath friend is 49 trains, injures/heals someone to get her last 2k experience, gets to 50, walls you up, and tells you about it in IMs, then gets locked out... well, you could be locked out too, sure, it's a big stretch of the imagination, but i know i read it somewhere... I don't know if it's ever happened before, maybe the guy with 2 billion silvers gave some out or something, i don't know...

-Urgoyle... who's never suddenly been locked out, and told 'Well, someone you know did something bad and you didn't tell us about it, and we think you knew about it', but knows that it -COULD- happen, unlikely as it will. reg

He was on AIM three days ago, I would love for him to come here and match my exact recount.

rht reg

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I got no dukes. reg

I never said he was lying. Simply uninformed. I'm guessing the only time "edge" ever talked to Defa about the said situation was at the moment I wasn't in contact with Defa. I admit, I put Defa in an extremely troubling situation (in leaving for Spring Break and not having any communication with him). I do not blame Defa in the least for being frantic; however, I never had any intention of scamming the brother. In fact, after Piper got transferred, Def and myself became dawgs. He even offered to let me level Piper up and asked if I wanted to buy him back. I do not believe someone that didn't trust me would offer such propositions. Anyways, time will tell.

rht

Just bounce baby, just bounce baby...
Just walk baby, just walk baby. reg

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