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SEND[Andraste] Let's not refer to the leftover hash, which was obviously a food stuff, as an illegal drug substance, even in innuendo, please

Liagala laughs!
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Liagala starts chuckling at you!
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Billowing gusts of heavy snow buffet your face.
>report But that's the whole point of me wasting 200k on this
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Liagala says, "get a sack and keep just those two in it, or something"
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Liagala nods to you.
>report I can't roleplay a junkie? Where in policy does it say that?
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Billowing gusts of heavy snow buffet your face.
>roar
You roar!
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SEND[Andraste] Then I guess it will be something you can whisper about or talk about in a latched room, providing no one objects... but in public, no

>report I can't even sniff it? ::whine::
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Liagala starts chuckling at you!
>'Aww
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You say, "Aww"
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Siefer just appeared.
You feel yourself being pulled away...
[Consultation Lounge]
The cozy surroundings of this simple conference room provide a much-welcomed respite from the chaos just outside its walls. You notice several plush chairs arranged casually around the room in a comfortable grouping.
Obvious exits: none.

>'Ahh
You say, "Ahh"
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Low thunder rumbles off in the distance, getting closer with each clap. As it appears to crash overhead, a sudden lightning bolt stabs at the ground with a mighty *BOOM*! As your vision clears, you see GameMaster Andraste standing there.
>look
[Consultation Lounge]
The cozy surroundings of this simple conference room provide a much-welcomed respite from the chaos just outside its walls. You notice several plush chairs arranged casually around the room in a comfortable grouping.
Also in the room: GameMaster Andraste
Obvious exits: none.
>look
[Consultation Lounge]
The cozy surroundings of this simple conference room provide a much-welcomed respite from the chaos just outside its walls. You notice several plush chairs arranged casually around the room in a comfortable grouping.
Also in the room: GameMaster Andraste
Obvious exits: none.
>tap hash
You tap a scoop of leftover hash.
>look
[Consultation Lounge]
The cozy surroundings of this simple conference room provide a much-welcomed respite from the chaos just outside its walls. You notice several plush chairs arranged casually around the room in a comfortable grouping.
Also in the room: GameMaster Andraste
Obvious exits: none.
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Andraste says, "Illegal drugs and other substances are not part of the family-oriented game environment that we wish to have portrayed here."
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Andraste says, "There, you can contain it to whispers or private and latched rooms..."
>'What about cutting heads off?
You ask, "What about cutting heads off?"
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Andraste says, "Or we can remove the substance from the game."
>sigh
You sigh.
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Andraste says, "Let's not argue about what everyone knows this game contains..."
>'Well think about it...
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You say, "Well think about it..."
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Andraste says, "Which is violence and killing critters."
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Andraste says, "However, there are other things that don't need to be included here."
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Andraste says, "Especially with young players in the game."
>'Fine, I'll take my 200000 worth of hash and never use it again
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You say, "Fine, I'll take my 200000 worth of hash and never use it again"
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Andraste says, "Since Yuwen announced that according to the "voices in his head" he was not allowed to talk about it anymore..."
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Andraste says, "That should have been a clue to you, Siefer."
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Andraste winks at you.
>'Doesnt make sense how you can cut heads off and steal from people but you can't ROLEPLAY someone who has an addiction
You say, "Doesnt make sense how you can cut heads off and steal from people but you can't ROLEPLAY someone who has an addiction"
>sigh
You sigh.
>'I'll keep to myself about it then
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You say, "I'll keep to myself about it then"
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Andraste says, "That is not the kind of thing we want in this environment."
>'I understand
You say, "I understand"
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Andraste nods to you.
>smile
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You smile.
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Andraste asks, "Any other questions?"
>shrug
You shrug.
>shake head
You shake your head.
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Andraste says, "Have a good evening, then, Shiefer."
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Andraste curtsies to you.
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Andraste waves.
>wave
You wave.
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This is absolute [bs]. I refuse to believe the enormous amount of pure [poo] flowing from her lips. That is the dumbest thing I have ever heard. Family-oriented my ass, when you can run around killing everything in sight but can't roleplay a character who has a slight drug problem. I paid 200k for this, 200k that I will never ever see again because of this bootleg [insert bad word here] treasure system. Thank you Simu, you've ruined another fine day.

[I go out of town and come back to this! I miss all the good stuff.]

[This message has been edited by edge (edited 01-14-2002).] reg

If you want to roleplay an addiction to a combination of potatoes, diced ham, and fried onions, have a blast.

Second, paying 200k for a text object that you could have worked around by using the act verb is silly, and getting upset about it is even sillier.

>(Bestatte takes some leftover hash from her cloak and unwraps it. She gives it a hearty sniff and tucks it back into the pocket with a satisfied grin on her face.)

Cost: 0
Entertainment value: whatever floats your boat.
Piss off factor: 0
GM intervention: 0

Drug addictions, like sexual encounters, don't belong in the public view. Drug addictions are not funny, nor are they entertaining. They're sick and pathetic, and anyone who would actually WANT to play an addict should perhaps ask themselves why.

R
reg

Also to even bring debate much more further...The game takes place in Elanthia. Not in the United States. I am not staring at policy right now but I don't think it states anything about it in there. And that is the basic rules.

Lord Deprav reg

Mike

Zanagan/Zarosa reg

[This message has been edited by Siefer (edited 01-12-2002).] reg

She told you it's a rule, you don't like that. Your choices: beat yourself over the head and get a coronary being pissed over something you have no control over, accept it and get over it and find something else to entertain yourself with, or play a game that allows it.

Jeez. Much ado about nothing if you ask me.

R
reg

(Siefer stuffs some hash into his tube.)

(Siefer raises his hash filled glass tube to his lips, and with a quick snap of his fingers, lights up.) reg

Give it a rest already, OOC drugs have no place in Elanthia. reg

...uhh, i remember when Zanagan and Deathravein smoked "pot grass" in a workshop!! HOT BOXED IT!!! hehehehe

-John

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Simu is okay with man-made poisions, such as alcohol... but they're completely against a naturally occurring plant? Hmm... doesn't make much sense to me. If you're going to call the drugs "OOC", which I don't feel is correct, then you could easily say the same about alcohol and tobacco, which are both readily available throughout Elanthia.

Doesn't make much sense to me...

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-Emtel reg

Alcohol and tobacco are allowed because they are legal substances and used universally.

I am in agreement that this game shouldn't be considered family-oriented, however, that doesn't mean that I would want to see every illegal thing done in RL show up in the game.

Someone once told me that wanting to play a drunk was rather distasteful. Well I consider someone wanting to be a drug addict even more despicable.

Let it go. You were told it's not something they want to see in the game, don't do it. reg

-John reg

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Originally posted by CrystalTears:
The way hash was smoked like you want to depict it with the bong is a rather modern thing to do, albeit Indians smoked it more or less in that fashion. However this isn't India, it's Elanthia, and drugs as such don't exist.

Alcohol and tobacco are allowed because they are legal substances and used universally.

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Actually... unless I missed something (which is quite possible), he was wanting to smoke it from something more like a steamroller, which is almost exactly what the Indians and other cultural groups have used as a "peace pipe" for years and years. Hardly a "modern" thing...

And secondly... last time I checked, hash was decriminalized in several nations around the world. I wish people would read up on their facts.

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-Emtel reg

HASHISH AND OTHER DRUGS, THAT ARE CURRENTLY ILLEGAL IN THE REAL WORLD OF THE UNITED STATES, OR ANY REFERENCES TO, OR ADDICTIONS TO, ARE NOT APPROPRIATE TO ROLEPLAY IN SIMUTRONICS GAMES IN PUBLIC AREAS.

This is nothing new. I don't know why anyone bothers bringing it up, unless they just can't accept the fact that they are WRONG and want to blame their inappropriate behavior on other people, specifically the Staff. If you have a legitimate beef about Andraste, I'm nosey enough to want to hear it. This is not a legitimate beef. What it is, is a matter of Bobby going to the schoolyard and telling his pals that mommy is a big fat meaniehead because he can't eat icecream for breakfast.

R
reg

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Originally posted by Desharei:
What part of this is difficult to understand? Let me know and I'll translate it into haxor, arabic, german, spanish, lebanese, or whatever language you will comprehend:

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You know... people who get so worked up about things like this must really have a miserable life. The tone of your post is nothing short of vomit-inducing, and it really makes me question your ability to "count to ten" and calm down.

Just because you feel strongly about something doesn't give you the right to be so goddamn condescending to anyone and everyone who doesn't share your same viewpoint.

::grumbles::

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-Emtel reg

I am not fired up about anything. In fact, I'm laughing at everyone who is fired up about it, that's the whole point of my posts in this topic.

As for being condescending, you betcha. If people are going to behave like whiny spoiled bratty infants whose parents didn't spank them enough when they misbehaved, then I will treat them like that. When they grow up, I'll treat them like adults.

If you choose to include yourself in this category of "whiny spoiled bratty infants whose parents didn't spank them enough when they misbehaved," then you have no one to blame but yourself if you feel people are treating you like a child.

Still laughing,

Roberta

[This message has been edited by Desharei (edited 01-12-2002).] reg

As to the reason I'm against OOC drugs being allowed in game, take a look at some of the other posts in this thread. The drug culture is something Elanthia has absolutely no need of.

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originally posted by Emtel:
If you're going to call the drugs "OOC", which I don't feel is correct, then you could easily say the same about alcohol and tobacco, which are both readily available throughout Elanthia.

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And weed (among other things) is not. I think there's a reason why. reg

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Originally posted by Siefer:
We aren't in the United States. There is no damn law that says "No Smoking Hash", no one is complaining to the staff that Siefer is smoking an illegal substance, nobody is pissed about it yet. If some players want to complain about it, then go complain.

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Correction. You are in the United States, because Simu has its servers there. Simply running an internet company doesn't suddenly allow you to do anything you want. The internet is not a seperate country.

Obviously smoking hash in a fantasy game is something completely different, but I was just pointing out your misconception.

reg

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Originally posted by Taernath:
Emtel, the irony is strong in your post. I suggest you follow your own advice.

As to the reason I'm against OOC drugs being allowed in game, take a look at some of the other posts in this thread. The drug culture is something Elanthia has absolutely no need of.

And weed (among other things) is not. I think there's a reason why.

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The "drug culture"? There's a huge difference between the "drug culture", as you apparently call it, and a single person who wishes to roleplay an addiction to a substance.

And maybe I *should* heed my own advice, but it absolutely drives me insane to read nothing but tongue-in-cheek, drippingly sarcastic, basically pointless comments from one specific person OVER and OVER and OVER.

And for reference, Roberta, I could care less what you think about me, or what "category" you choose to label and include me in. That just shows your narrow-minded way of thinking and your inability to accept and respect an opinion different than yours.

I just hate the fact that people want to scream and cry foul whenever something is mentioned that's off the beaten path in the slighest manner. If someone wants to roleplay an addict, so be it. I don't really see how it hurts you or detracts from your roleplaying experience. And... if it does, I suggest you get out more.

((Edited for disparaging comments... after I counted to ten. ))

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-Emtel

[This message has been edited by Emtel (edited 01-12-2002).] reg

You could be addicted to acantha leaf. No need to smoke it, you could just have a physical need to chew on the leaves all the time. You could be addicted to lichen or moss. You could RP your character rubbing it over your skin, having hallucinations or whatever. There's even an herb in the game (can't remember what it is) that gives you some really nice feeling. You could have a blast with that.

Why bring into the game something that a) isn't already in there and b) the game staff has already said is inappropriate?

Why? Because you want to make the rules up for yourself and piss on the staff for calling you on it. You want to prove that you can do what you want, and to hell with anyone who has a problem with it. You want a reason to blame the staff for something.

Those are the only reasons I can think of. Trust me, you don't need to force yourself into crossing the line of propriety to find something to blame on the staff. Some of them do a fine job of messing things up without your help. It just takes a LITTLE bit of brains and observation to notice. Might try that some time, it's fun!

R, STILL laughing.
reg

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Originally posted by Emtel:
And maybe I *should* heed my own advice, but it absolutely drives me insane...

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and then

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And for reference, Roberta, I could care less what you think about me, or what "category" you choose to label and include me in.

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First of all, I believe you mean to say "I couldn't care less" because "I could care less" means you DO care, and are capable of caring less.

Second of all, if you couldn't care less, then how could anything I say possibly drive you insane? Either you care or you don't. Pick one. Your credibility is pretty much shot otherwise.

R
reg

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Originally posted by Desharei:
If you wanna play an addict so much, why not try something that already exists in the game? Using the existing game mechanics?

You could be addicted to acantha leaf. No need to smoke it, you could just have a physical need to chew on the leaves all the time. You could be addicted to lichen or moss. You could RP your character rubbing it over your skin, having hallucinations or whatever. There's even an herb in the game (can't remember what it is) that gives you some really nice feeling. You could have a blast with that.

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That's not a valid solution. Try taking some pothinir grass and playing off an addiction to eating it, or anything of the sort. You'll get a report as soon as you start, and if you dispute it, you'll get pulled away. That's a fact. It's happened before.

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Originally posted by Desharei:
R, STILL laughing

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Two words: Grow up. When people add little comments or gestures with the specific purpose of egging someone on, it's just stupid and has no place.

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-Emtel reg

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Originally posted by Desharei:
There's even an herb in the game (can't remember what it is) that gives you some really nice feeling. You could have a blast with that.

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I believe that's Tkaro root. Turns off all thought nets temporarily, and is readily foragable by Lake Eonake.

reg

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Originally posted by Emtel:
That's not a valid solution. Try taking some pothinir grass and playing off an addiction to eating it, or anything of the sort.

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That has more to do with people calling it 'pot grass' when they use it than anything else. Acantha leaf in-game wise is supposedly a painkiller. You could use that instead and be completely IC. reg

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Originally posted by Emtel:
The "drug culture"? There's a huge difference between the "drug culture", as you apparently call it, and a single person who wishes to roleplay an addiction to a substance.

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Yes, there is. But how long do you suppose it would be before "RP'd" weed users started popping up all over Elanthia? How long until all the slang starts showing up?
reg

Give'em an inch, they'll take a mile. Apply your favorite cliche.

R
reg

The problem here is that he wants to use a substance that he's already been warned not to inply as being drugs. They don't want illegal drugs in the game which is why you don't see them.

Same as they don't want lude and explicit sex in public. As a matter of fact, Andraste even said that if you insist on smoking illegal drugs (or having nasty sex), to do it in a locked room. In public, those types of things are not allowed.

Why are we discussing it here? Not because we saw someone do it and came here complaining about it. But because somene wanted to do it, was warned about it, and doesn't want to play by the rules and is crying foul. THAT is the gist of this conflict, and I'm sorry to say, the fault lies with Siefer. He doesn't want to play by the rules. He wants to point the blame at everyone but himself because he doesn't like the rules.

Don't come here hoping everyone will be on your side because there's usually a GM discord happening here. They make mistakes, yes, but that doesn't mean you should pawn off every bad event on them. Own up to your responsibilities and admit that you did wrong. Indulge in any of the other herbs in the game if having an addiction churns your butter. But if they tell you to stop, just stop. It's people like that who get locked out later and wonder how that happened because they never do anything wrong. reg

"Because GemStone III is a multiplayer game, there can sometimes be a conflict between an individual user's idea of entertainment and that of the majority of the players as a whole. In such situations, the majority will be given the greatest weight."

As you can see, the majority feels that using illegal drugs is unacceptable. There it is.. policy.

The boulder.. I should have known. Anyway, the boulder and the treehouse are still public areas.

So go on and continue doing it since the request of the GMs and other players don't help you see the wrong in it. Just don't dare come here in a few months saying you were locked out for whatever reason and hope that we cheer for you.

reg

Only in Gemstone can someone take a scoop of leftover food crap and be able to pretend it's a drug.

Aerienne reg

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Originally posted by Aerienne:
I'll cheer. Heh

Only in Gemstone can someone take a scoop of leftover food crap and be able to pretend it's a drug.

Aerienne

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You think that's bad? Then you haven't seen the chick who ran around with a cherry in her skirt. ::smirks::

Bianca

[This message has been edited by Bianca (edited 01-13-2002).] reg

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Originally posted by Siefer:
Where in policy does is state that I can't do such a thing? Until it *clearly* states in policy that I can't mess with my hash, I'll continue to have fun with it.

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It should be clear why Simu would not want people pretending to use illegal drugs from real life in Elanthia.

If you wish to stick your head in the sand and insist otherwise and declare you will continue to do so I can only say please do.
The more you do the quicker you will find yourself labeled HMC.

If you were simply to take a step back and review the situation I think you would see why this is. It truly should NOT have to be explained to you but if you insist then just place it in the same category as things like simulated rape. Is anyone physically hurt? Obviously not but there exists the ability to offend many needlessly. So to avoid wasting time weeding out the rare true RPers from the simply immature they just make it unacceptable.

Andraste hit it on the head when she said there are plenty of ways you could RP it in a private setting, just not in public.

There are SO many ways to enjoy yourself in the lands why on earth would you chose one you would have to know is setting you up for a confrontation unless that was your goal in the first place? reg

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Murders are not funny, nor are they entertaining. They're sick and pathetic, and anyone who would actually WANT to play a murderer should perhaps ask themselves why.

Stealing is not funny, nor is it entertaining. It's sick and pathetic, and anyone who would actually WANT to play a stealing criminal should perhaps ask themselves why.

Having multiple sexual partners is not funny, nor is it entertaining. It's sick and pathetic, and anyone who would actually WANT to play a horn-dog should perhaps ask themselves why.

While I think this debate about the appropriateness of hash in the game is rather stupid, I can see where someone might want to role play an addiction. In doing so, they should not have their real lives questioned, nor should they have to look deep inside their subconscious for underlying reasons WHY they would want to.

It's called playing a role, for good or bad, and says nothing about the player themselves.

Sure, drug addiction is not a happy topic. It tears lives apart, ruins relationships, etc, etc, (fill in your favorite anti-drug message here). However, I myself see drug addiction as a much more light hearted role than that of a murderer, which there seems to be no lack of.

reg

If they wanted hashish in their game, they would have made it an item. Tobacco, alcohol, abisinthe - all are in the game if you want to be an addict. Read up on abisinthe, which is a very interesting drink and RP your hallucinations. Or you can become addicted to any one of a number of in game Elanthian drugs (medicinal as it may be, that is how many addictions start) and RP your addict that way.

But taking a stupid scoop of food and pretending it's a real world drug is just a serious lack of imagination for someone who is trying to promote his own image, bad as it is, not RP.

And murder in the game...Well, death most impermanent, has a different angle in my opinion. And after all, people accept that as part of the game when they play. In a barbaric society (just look at the lack of books!) violence is the norm. But to keep a game viable for the majority, where is the line drawn? Drugs for many are not a needed aspect. Particularly when people like Siefer are trying to introduce something which WAS NEVER INTENDED TO BE USED AS HE IS USING IT.

Kudos to Andraste for calling him on it. I think she was rather nice, actually. If I were the GM, I woulda turned hash into a leftover scoop of mush.

Aerienne reg

One does not sniff hash in order to feel its effects. One either smokes it or mixes it in food and eats it.

An addict would never HAVE leftover *anything.* They would consume what they have, leaving nothing until they can get more.

Hashish is not addictive.

Try again, genius.
reg

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-Emtel reg

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Originally posted by Siefer:
Where in policy does is state that I can't do such a thing? Until it *clearly* states in policy that I can't mess with my hash, I'll continue to have fun with it.

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Ask folks about their out of character or illegal activites warnings, then you'll see just how much against Policy it is, but it sounds like you plan on travelling that road anyways, which is a sure fire way to get yourself HMCed.

Anyone wanna take a bet on how long before Andraste turns his hash into mush or just poofs it? Which she can do. Try reading Policy 14 sometime. That's the answer I got when one of them wise asses turned the hefty rod in my pants I was flashing the ladies with, into a nubby toothpick.

G. reg

Try again, genius.>>>

Damn. You beat me to it.

rht reg

I was speaking to the general theme by Desharei that anyone that would want to RP an addict should seriously look inside themselves and ask WHY they want to do this.

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An addict would never HAVE leftover *anything.* They would consume what they have, leaving nothing until they can get more.
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Yes, quite like Al Pacino in Scarface. I think it is safe to say that he was a coke addict. Yet, amazingly, he always had some available. There are countless examples of people that are addicts and still have a healthy supply on them at any given time.

A crack head could be walking around with 2 kilos in his pockets, and by your definition, he would not be an addict since he has some. Not all addicts live in alleys, prostitute themselves for drug money, or mug people to support their habit.

reg

On a side note, since you are always speaking so favorably of Inferno.
I recall a certain ward of the dark temple that was definitely an addict of a certain root. Istoval or something I believe was his name. Evidently, that makes the GM playing him an utter moron who should look deep inside their motivations for playing such a socially disturbed and unacceptable character.

The nerve of some people!

reg

Do try to stay on the topic. Crack heads have nothing to do with leftover hash. Neither does Inferno, which by the way Crystal Tears hasn't written about at all as far as I know. If you're going to respond to a quote, try hard to pay attention to who you are quoting.

R
reg

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Originally posted by CrystalTears:
"Because GemStone III is a multiplayer game, there can sometimes be a conflict between an individual user's idea of entertainment and that of the majority of the players as a whole. In such situations, the majority will be given the greatest weight."

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And if I stay on the boulder all day with my hash and no one objects, then what?

[This message has been edited by Siefer (edited 01-13-2002).] reg

Someone DID object. Andraste objected. And she's a GM. If you genuinely think you are right, and not just intentionally doing things to piss off the GMs, you'll get in the assist line and get a referral and voice your complaint to someone over her head.

Someone on staff has already told you not to do it. If you do it anyway, then you risk worse than a lecture. Is that what you're trying to do? Get kicked out so you can come back here and bitch and moan about how you were banned without cause? Pulleaze, cry me a freaking river.
reg

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Originally posted by Siefer:
And if I stay on the boulder all day with my hash and no one objects, then what?

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If I saw you playing with the hash (as you were doing), I'd report.

reg

Thanks, Peeps, for bringing up examples that have nothing to do with this conversation. If you're going to be condescending, can you least stay on topic?

We're all preaching to the choir invisible, apparently. You came to complain, most were against the complaint, you want to continue doing it anyway. Good luck! Have fun on the stellar roleplaying boulder experience and pray no one locks you out.

I've heard enough. Thanks for the laughs everyone.

[This message has been edited by CrystalTears (edited 01-13-2002).] reg

If someone wants to play an addict to tkaro root, I think that's terrific. What happens when they can't get it? What happens when they run out? How long do you RP the effects of it before you go dashing off for more?

If someone, on the other hand, wants to play an addict of real-world substances that don't exist in the game, KNOWING that they'll probably offend people, doing it BECAUSE they want to offend people, and then get pissed off and whine on the boards because ::gasp:: someone was offended, then yes, I question their mental and emotional stability in real life.

R
reg

'lood
and if andraste doesnt like it shes a mean she-devil and we should all cancel our accounts and play daoc reg

rht reg

Hashish

EFFECTS INCLUDE: Muscular tremors, transient muscular rigidity, euphoria, relaxed inhibitions, disorientation, coated tongue, marijuana debris in mouth, odor of burnt marijuana, gait ataxia, impaired perception and attention, impaired coordination and balance, thick, slurred speech, impaired divided attention, destroys brain cells, hilarity without cause, time distortion, bloodshot eyes, dry mouth and throat. reg

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Originally posted by Makkah:
Okay. You DON'T get shakes from withdrawal of hash. You people are acting like hashish is damn crack or brown.

rht

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You also do not get high from a combination of meat and potatoes (which is what Siefer was using). The fact is that Siefer clearly stated that he wished to RP a "junkie", so IMHO the shakes would be appropriate. If you want realism in this scenario then find something other than a foodstuff as a catalyst.
reg

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Originally posted by kelood:
oh and ill use my holy sprinkler to take a shower with.

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Sadly enough, I -have- seen people use their sprinkler as a shower accessory.

I can't believe this thread has gone this long! We're giving this little [oops, no direct flames please] too much attention.

Well next time something bad happens to your character, you can always dismiss it as your character having an episode from drugs and thus it must not have happened.

[This message has been edited by CrystalTears (edited 01-14-2002).]

[This message has been edited by edge (edited 01-14-2002).] reg

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Originally posted by Aerienne:
I'll cheer. Heh

Only in Gemstone can someone take a scoop of leftover food crap and be able to pretend it's a drug.

Aerienne

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And in dragonrealms, people had pocketed 'black leather pants'... also widely available are colorful juggling balls, people can juggle to earn perception.

And yes, a shop out in a town even sold roasted chestnuts seasonally..

And oh yes, people were removing their balls and their nuts from their pants, rubbing them, and moaning and such... it was that bad until it got cracked down upon...

Ridiculous stuff is usually cracked down upon... Sure, you found an inventive way to use a food item, but so did they...

Remember, you knew it wasn't a drug when you bought it, you just thought you could play with it as though it was..

Notice all the people with their 'ice age mineral' stuff, who are scrambling to sell it like the rats running up the hallway of the titanic were in the movie... since simu is legally bound to remove ice aged minerals now..

They don't care, they just want to stuff it on you as soon as they can. I'm sure the guy who had this hash was playing with it like you were, and he sold it to you, because he couldn't get away with it anymore.. Follow the elanthian tradition!... Sell it to someone else, and laugh at THEIR misfortune!

-Goyle reg

And I have no idea why people have always felt compelled to show me this crap either...

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Aerienne

[This message has been edited by Aerienne (edited 01-15-2002).] reg

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And I have no idea why people have always felt compelled to show me this crap either...

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Simply put... to show you how bad it COULD be.... no matter who does what, someone can or has done something worse reg

edge reg

I have nothing against people showing these things to each other as friends for inside joke purposes and not making a spectical about it in public (as in taking them out and using them like Urgoyle mentions). My rogue is known for her innuendos. It's referring to items as something completely different than what they are that bothers me. reg

The term hashish came from Persia (or thereabouts). There was a fiercesome band of nomads who terrorized the locals and basically ran them off. They smoked hashish.

Soon they became known as the Hashisans. Later they were known as assassins.

I thought it was interesting anyway.

Leslie

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You will not win with a GM. They are the ones that make these decisions because nobody else will.

The more I think about the problems in the lands. It boils down to lack of leadership.

edge

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>>The more I think about the problems in the lands. It boils down to lack of leadership.

You can't seriously believe that Simutronics should allow real life references to drugs in their game though.

Would it be in genre? Sure, I think so. Would it be right? No. Its not Simutronics, its today's society and it's standards.

Leslie

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I never said that drugs should be aloud so don't try and put words into my mouth. But nice try at getting a different meaning when you knew what I meant.

edge reg

isn't Seifer the same person who was locked out recently.. came to the boards about how he was so wrongfully being targetted and abused.. and was eventually allowed to return?

Most honest folks with no intent of malice of vindictivness DON'T go spoiling for trouble like this.. ESPECIALLY after such an event, unless its their intention to cause problems and be a general pain in the ass.
I for one dont feel sorry for him in the least. Its always the ones who want to ride the ragged edge of disaster and see how much they can get away with / how far they can push.. that come running here screaming wrongfull persecution.

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I never said that drugs should be aloud so don't try and put words into my mouth. But nice try at getting a different meaning when you knew what I meant.

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Actually, I wasn't trying to get a different meaning at all. Guess I just misread your post, but I was not trying to put words in your mouth in the least.

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isn't Seifer the same person who was locked out recently.. came to the boards about how he was so wrongfully being targetted and abused.. and was eventually allowed to return?

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Errr! Wrong!

reg

Drugs from our world have no place in GS. One suggestion for the next GM who comes up against someone who is using this hash would be to cause it to suddenly moulder and turn it into a glob of moldy food. Problem solved.

Aerienne reg

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Nope, he's the genius who went afk and wants the person who supposedly got him killed (he doesn't know who since he didn't log the file) to be given the boot. Of course, this would mean having some GM take hours tracking down what actually happened...
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On that note, the GM specifically told me I was dragged out of town by a PLAYER but he refused to tell me who did it.

We're talking about a different topic now so please stay on it. reg

Guess I picked the wrong week to quit sniffin glue

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Just like if I thought you had a valid reason to play someone who was addicted to some substance of Elanthia in a true RP fashion, rather than just simply showing off for your friends, I would extend my support for you. (read: if you were addicted to acantha leaf, walking around with the shakes, continually munching it, sighing with relief as the look of pain washes away from your face, etc, had a valid story to back you up, were willing to RP an empath ceremony to allow you to be healed, I'd extend my support of your RP.) However, I think you are mainly posting this here to show off your IG stash.

My last post on the topic,

Aerienne reg

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Actually, his question is absolutely on topic, Siefer, as multiple violations from the same person shows their history as a High Maintenance. The validity of someone's point becomes questionable if they are always walking on the shady side of right.

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I must have missed something because I have no clue what you are talking about or what relevance your post has to do with the topic at hand. reg

If you repeatedly do things that counter what Simu and/or GMs consider policy or acceptable conduct, then you're going to run yourself into a HMC situation and then they have the authority to do with you as they see fit because you are a constant hassle as far as they're concerned.

Going AFK to watch TV and not knowing what happens to your character, and turning a food item into something that it's not to satisfy your own whims and not follow the rules of the game are going to backfire on you.

Do what you wish, but we're just telling you the possible outcomes of your actions. Just don't expect anything less of "oh well" if you find yourself in a cell and come here to tell us your tale of woe because your history has spoken for itself. reg

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Do what you wish, but we're just telling you the possible outcomes of your actions. Just don't expect anything less of "oh well" if you find yourself in a cell and come here to tell us your tale of woe because your history has spoken for itself.

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And what the hell is my "history?" I stole a rechargeable diamond from someone who had connections with a GM and was locked out for the entire summer, with no explanation whatsoever. Feedback ignored me, no one cared that this person and her friend killed me 3 or 4 times. I say f*ck it, I'll go back to ignoring everyone and powerhunting so I won't be bothered or hindered by bullsh*t reasons. reg

'lood
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I must have missed something because I have no clue what you are talking about or what relevance your post has to do with the topic at hand.

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God damn, if it makes everyone feel better, I only take it out like twice a day, on the boulder, because someone comes up to me and says "Lemme see the hash." I have yet to display it in a public place like TSC any other room where there are always 25+ people.
To hell with roleplay, to hell with interaction, I'll continue to level my wizard on a daily basis, ignoring everyone, to hell with it all. God dammit, nobody can take a small joke.

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And what the hell is my "history?" I stole a rechargeable diamond from someone who had connections with a GM and was locked out for the entire summer, with no explanation whatsoever. Feedback ignored me, no one cared that this person and her friend killed me 3 or 4 times. I say f*ck it, I'll go back to ignoring everyone and powerhunting so I won't be bothered or hindered by bullsh*t reasons.

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I think you've missed the whole point, and I'm POSITIVE you havn't learned anything from this.

The POINT is that there are aften "grey areas" of actions, topics of conversation, and general attitudes that, even though Policy may not out & out speak of on a word for word, verbatum/EXACT manner,.. a small bit of discression and common sense will tell most folks who DON'T have malice of intent that "hmm.. maybe this isnt such a good idea and I guess I won't do it any more."

Instead, you seem to fall into the constant "I want to do this because I think its cool, and so do my pals" catagory. Your weapons of choice are most likely symantics and loopholes, that tend to manipulate grey areas for the simple exploitation of "letter of the law" mentality, as opposed to the spirit in which those rules and laws were made.

You want realism.. fine.. No-one wants or likes to see a drug addict. They don't want to see them in their daily lives, they don't like to see them on their time off.. and they CERTAINLY don't want them anywhere near their homes, places of business, or their schools or children. If I found one wandering around my home or neighborhood, where my or anyones children are present.. I would most likely beat him sensless and dump him somewhere VERY far away.

I give it 30 days, and am certain you will have found something ELSE to make a general fuss about.

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You want realism.. fine.. No-one wants or likes to see a drug addict. They don't want to see them in their daily lives, they don't like to see them on their time off.. and they CERTAINLY don't want them anywhere near their homes, places of business, or their schools or children. If I found one wandering around my home or neighborhood, where my or anyones children are present.. I would most likely beat him sensless and dump him somewhere VERY far away.

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Good way to get you or your family hurt.

'lood
a bit off topic
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What about people RPing drunks?

Do you want you kids around drunks?

Do you want them playing in a game that condones drinking?

Seeing that this is a family game and all. Plus with Disneyfication.

Before you say. They are not breaking the law. It's against the law for anyone under the age of 21 to drink. Since we are using the US laws in this discussion.

I mean. Lets not be hypocrites about this. If we get rid of the junkies, we got to get rid of the drunks to.

I don't get drunk around my son. Why would I want drunks or junkies around him?

If we are going to set a example for the under 18 crowd. We need to set it for the under 21 crowd to. Otherwise we are being hypocrites.

This is no way defending junkies.

I just think there are more drunks and they kill by far more people in the world today then junkies. By allowing one in the lands and condoning the other.

You want realism in a fantasy game. Well, you got to take the bad with the good.

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Siefer, I have a question in reference to your desire to RP a junkie… other than breaking out and sniffing your hash to get a few chuckles, what else have you done as far as Rping your habit? Because to be honest, if that’s the extent of your RP on the situation, then “I want to RP a junkie” sound more like an lame excuse to keep (and do what ever you feel like) with your food item, rather than a legitimate gripe.

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I haven't done much with it, except, like you said, take it out once and awhile to get a laugh when a friend is around. I haven't moved from the boulder in a few days, I haven't done much of anything with him. I went looking for various leaves and such to RP with and a container to hold them, but having 2000 coins in your bank account doesn't help.

reg

Suuuuuuure ::cough::

And on that note, just sell me the hash and then you won't have any problems anymore. reg

Ok, now please include the rest of that story, because obviously you're leaving something out.

And on that note, just sell me the hash and your problems will be solved. reg

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I just think there are more drunks and they kill by far more people in the world today then junkies. By allowing one in the lands and condoning the other.

You want realism in a fantasy game. Well, you got to take the bad with the good.

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Hmmm.. America grows up WITH entire concepts of happy luvable drunks on some of the most popular shows of our times. Its a part of sufficient suspension of disbelief.

And yet.. I don't think Ive EVER seen or heared of a luvable crack or other drug addiction in American history. Sad maybe.. tragic.. but luvable? Laugh inducing? I think not.

A few folks here have said they respect your opinions. I don't. ANYONE who starts screaming about how they are being wrongfully persecuted by Simu.. your behind them 110%.

Disnyfication .. blah blah blah, You just luv bandwagon Politics, and finding fault with Simu no matter how skewed, evasive, or full of crap the person whining is.

I have yet to see ANYTHING worth respecting in ANY way, fashion, or form in you. Just someone who seems to enjoy backing troublemakers at Simus expense

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Guess you never heard of the 70's show? Oh wait. Duh! That wasn't pot they was smoking in the basement!

Oh wait! They never had cool crackheads on TV. My bad! I am stupid...duh.

Please just unplug from gemstone. There is a REAL world out there.

I don't care if you respect me or not. Please keep your childish attempts at starting a fight off the thread. If you want to be a hypocrite, please do it elsewhere. Stop crying about me.

::hands out baby bottles::

Stay on the topic please people or I am going to start editing posts.

edge

reg

Well the reason for this disbelief is that you can't steal a rechargable, nor can you sell it to the gemshop. It's no longer considered a "gem".

- Lord Kranar, human Archwizard reg

I think Cheech and Chong could be classified in this group.
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Somewhere a line must be set, to maintain a level of decency within any game. You can call that “Disneyfication” if you like, but in this scenario it just seems that you are blinded by the need to feel justified in your complaints about Simutronics.

As for drinking being illegal for people under 21, and as such it should be removed from the game to set a good example. Well… have you ever seen a character in game under the age of 21? Didn't think so.
reg

Yes and rapists was not a acceptable part of society back then either.

Doing drugs was a accepted part of socieity back then. Hell, George Washington grew pot! Indians smoked down to...Peace pipe man!

You show that you know absolutely nothing about what you are talking about. Hash is made from pot. Pot IS by far less harmful the alcohol.

Now what happened to rapists back then? Oops! I lost my head! What happened to pot smokers? Pass it please.

Yes, under 18 people play gemstone. No matter how old they are ingame they are out of game under 21. So they are condoning under age drinking. Which isn't surprising if you go to Simucon.

I personally think if they can die defending our country, they should be able to drink. But bottom line. It's against the law.

Then look how graphic killing in the game is. At least a pot\hash smokers don't have the desire to go slaughter everything in sight.....They just want to sit back and munch.

Show me where I said rape was good. You can't. Nice of you to try and take the most extreme thing possible. But hey. We allow murder in the lands. You want Disneyfication. Hey, then we should not promote murder, stealing or drinking in the lands. That is what you are saying. ALl of those are against the law in RL.

Wow! I put words into your mouth too!

edge

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Well the reason for this disbelief is that you can't steal a rechargable, nor can you sell it to the gemshop. It's no longer considered a "gem".

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Alright, if it wasn't a recharging gem, why the hell did they make a big deal about it? Ask anyone who was around that day. I'll give names too. I stole it from Jessaril and Leriko was her friend. Why the hell did they try so hard to prevent me from selling it? Jessaril killed me IN THE GEMSHOP. Leriko killed me a few times while I was out of town, too. For a regular, normal, worthless gem? I don't think so. Maybe in 1998 you could steal rechargeable gems, who knows. All I know is that in the end I was locked out. Never got to see a GM about it. Feedback never answered my e-mails. All I got was a [bad word] smile and a wink from the lame GM bastard that said see you in 60 days.

[don't let em push your buttoms and make you angry please :edge:]

[This message has been edited by edge (edited 01-20-2002).] reg

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Yes and rapists was not a acceptable part of society back then either.

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Actually... it depended on who did it. Nobles and church officials could get away with most anything, especially if the victim was a peasant.
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Show me where I said rape was good. You can't. Nice of you to try and take the most extreme thing possible.

Wow! I put words into your mouth too!)

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Just one more example of you needing to be right at any cost. I never claimed you said rape was ok, what I said (and I can quote because I read both posts) “Does that mean we should allow people to simulate rape in the game? Of course not, but that is where your argument leads”. I will repeat it so you will not miss it this time “that is where your argument leads”, once again, no claim that you said anything, just that your argument leads to a specific conclusion.

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Truth be told, in ancient times women were considered part of the spoils of war, which meant the conquerors could do what they want with these women regardless of their wants or desires, and it was perfectly acceptable. For a great example, read the first few chapters of Plato’s “The Iliad”. This should more than illustrate my point on this subject. So my arguement still remains, what may or may not have been acceptable in ancient times, has absolutely no relevance on this game. A line must be set, to maintain a level of decency within any game. You assertions that it amounts to “Disneyfication” are in my opinion ludicrous, and fully based upon your pre-existing biases against Simutronics.

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Doing drugs was a accepted part of socieity back then. Hell, George Washington grew pot!

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Please note, I will assume you are not suggesting that George Washington lived in a medieval era as Elanthia is based. There is a far gap between the 1700’s and the 1300’s (I know, I know, I know absolutely nothing about what I am talking about <chuckle> ).

reg

That chainmail poses a slight difficulty also, not to mention full plate.

'lood
As we slide down the slippery slope... reg

Once again you don't listen. The arguement was not an any way leading towards rape is ok. You took it to such a extreme trying to show me as being wrong just to try and prove a point.

As for George Washington, he was only an example. Can't you figure out that it was an example? Please try and read and understand what is meant.

No try and show some types of facts that proves me wrong.

So once again. Try and post about the subject without going to a extreme that isn't realistic.

edge reg

This is a bunch of crap and you know it. Either are going to be PG-13(Disneyfication) or you become R rated and make sure it aboce the age of 18. Don't do it halfway. I can tell the difference between what I want my kids doing and not. Can you?

How is drugs any worse then condoning under age drinking? Or stealing? Or murder?

Now let's go a step further. They allow scamming in the game. Buy at your own risk. They allow hacking. These are all traits you want your kids raised on?

You say I am biased because I don't like the way the company is run. I say you are biased and blinded against me. You are trying so hard to make me look wrong. In turn you are only making yourself look like a hypocrite.

Try and unplug and see the real world.

edge
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Once again you don't listen.

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Of course I do, your blinders just won’t let you see it.

QUOTE] The arguement was not an any way leading towards rape is ok. You took it to such a extreme trying to show me as being wrong just to try and prove a point. [/QUOTE]

You were arguing that if one form of evil exists, then to allow another is hypocritical. Were you not? So the leading conclusion I took from your words was this…Drugs and alcohol are on the same scale, so both should be allowed or both should be banned. Well if that is the case aren’t murder (which happens and is allowed in Elanthia) and rape on the same scale? Please explain how that would be considered taking it to an extreme?

QUOTE] As for George Washington, he was only an example. Can't you figure out that it was an example? Please try and read and understand what is meant. [/QUOTE]

Yes but it was a very poor example, as you were referring to medieval times not colonial. If you are unable to find an example with supports your argument (Unless of course, those type examples do not exists), then perhaps it would be easier to find a better argument.

QUOTE] No try and show some types of facts that proves me wrong. [/QUOTE]

Well since you made up the word “Disneyfication” I’m pretty sure it would be rather difficult to find proof that it does not exist (But I’m sure I could get GSLawyer to give it a try, what do you think?). So I’ll say this one last time… A line must be set, to maintain a level of decency within any game. You assertions that it amounts to “Disneyfication” are in my opinion ludicrous, and fully based upon your pre-existing biases against Simutronics.
And if you would like proof of what I consider “your pre-existing biases against Simutronics”, I’ll be happy to find you examples.

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This is a bunch of crap and you know it.

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Not at all, if I did not believe my position, I would not waste my time arguing my point.

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How is drugs any worse then condoning under age drinking? Or stealing? Or murder?

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If we are talking about real life, then I would not condone any of them. However we are talking about a game where certain unpleasant aspect are necessary. Does that mean all evil actions should be allowed in the game, because a few were included? No.I also do not condone stealing, but if I were to play a game of spies, I would expect it to be present. That still does not justify, the including of illicit drugs in that same game.

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They allow hacking.

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Sorry I do not buy this claim in the least.

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You say I am biased because I don't like the way the company is run. I say you are biased and blinded against me. You are trying so hard to make me look wrong. In turn you are only making yourself look like a hypocrite.

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And you are looking like a disgruntled ex-girlfriend. Are we done with the name calling now?

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Try and unplug and see the real world.

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My vision of the real world is just fine, but this is a game we are referring to in this thread. And I fully support a company’s right to restrict content that they feel is not appropriate for the environment they are trying to create. You do not, which is why we are having this discussion. We are both attempting to make our point.

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Well… have you ever seen a character in game under the age of 21? Didn't think so.

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Yeah.... that's why i like modus operandi... I can play a 16 year old goth kid, who's rolling his own cigarettes, drinking himself stupid in bars, and is actually a secret agent employed by a government somewhere else...

You want hack'n'slash, do it gemstone... you want roleplay?.. do it there... or try dragonrealms.

-goyle reg

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You want hack'n'slash, do it gemstone... you want roleplay?.. do it there... or try dragonrealms.

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And it's responses like this that make me realize more and more everyday that Gemstone will never be a real roleplaying game and to try and enforce it is futile.

Please remember this was about someone using a food item to portray a drug that doesn't exist in Elanthia. It wasn't really ever about whether to portray a drug addict or not. Even though some have said they don't like the idea, they along with the GM gave alternative examples of what to use. But to insist on using an item in a way that was never intended to be used is what's in question here.

If someone wants to smoke "hash" and rub his "blue balls" because he couldn't get sex and then takes a shower with his "holy sprinkler", he/she had better be behind closed doors because those are not how they were meant to be used. reg

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Wrong. If we look at the world veiw on this. Drinking and pot\hash are legal or decriminalized in a bunch of countries. Where murder and rape are not. I left a opening in my statement to see if you could catch it. Murder in Gemstone is against the rules(unconsentual PvP). Amazing how you can bait someone. So drugs and drinking are NOT on the same level as murder and rape like you are trying to say.

<<Yes but it was a very poor example, as you were referring to medieval times not colonial. If you are unable to find an example with supports your argument (Unless of course, those type examples do not exists), then perhaps it would be easier to find a better argument. >>

Between Colonial and Medievil times there wasn't much changes. Maybe we was more brutal in Colonial times with starving the Indians and kicking the babies heads in not to waste bullets. Ya, I like the Medievil times, much calmer. Some honor back then. Which nobody has in our day and age. Along with Morals and ethics. All out the window.

<<Well since you made up the word “Disneyfication” I’m pretty sure it would be rather difficult to find proof that it does not exist (But I’m sure I could get GSLawyer to give it a try, what do you think?). So I’ll say this one last time… A line must be set, to maintain a level of decency within any game. You assertions that it amounts to “Disneyfication” are in my opinion ludicrous, and fully based upon your pre-existing biases against Simutronics.
And if you would like proof of what I consider “your pre-existing biases against Simutronics”, I’ll be happy to find you examples.>>

Sorry the word Disneyfication was not made up by me. Wish I could claim it though. Was made up by someone else and has been commonly used in Gemstone for about 4 or 5 years. And yes, I don't have to lie. I am biased as you are. I never said I wasn't. But nice try.

Also, sticking in the GsLawyer comment. Laughed at that one. But, like a gossip columnist you had to go for my mistake of trusting someone. But we all trust someone that deceived us. Isn't that right Ellarze?

<<If we are talking about real life, then I would not condone any of them. However we are talking about a game where certain unpleasant aspect are necessary. Does that mean all evil actions should be allowed in the game, because a few were included? No.I also do not condone stealing, but if I were to play a game of spies, I would expect it to be present. That still does not justify, the including of illicit drugs in that same game.>>

This is a medievil game. not a spy game. That is a poor example comparing medievil game with a spy game. If we are going to talk about medievil times. Illicit drugs was acceptable in medievil times, so was drinking. Rape and Murder was not. Stealing was not acceptable either. So you fell into the George Washington error.

As for real life. Shouldn't be in the game at all. It's a fantasy game.

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<<Sorry I do not buy this claim in the least. >>

Then you are foolish. By not doing anything about hacking, you are allowing it. How is that not true?

Well, I saw that person hit by and car and it kept on going. Should I do something about it? Bah! Not my problem....duH!

<<And you are looking like a disgruntled ex-girlfriend. Are we done with the name calling now? >>

You are acting like a Ex-girlfriend.

<<My vision of the real world is just fine, but this is a game we are referring to in this thread. And I fully support a company’s right to restrict content that they feel is not appropriate for the environment they are trying to create. You do not, which is why we are having this discussion. We are both attempting to make our point.>>

Yes, the Real World. It doesn't belong in a game. I never said that I condoned drugs. Which seems to be what people are trying to say I am. I made a point. Which you are not listening to at all.

If Gemstone is going to be a family game. Then make it a family game. If Gemstone is going to be a adult more mature game. Then make it that way. Either you take out ALL the evils or you allow them. Doing something half-ass is hypocriticial.

edge

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No, but it really should be about role-play. If someone were to legitimately try to roleplay an addict with all the tragic consequences I think I might not even be automatically against it.

However.... That is not what this is about.

This thread is about someone, as sadly too many also do, trying to push the limits of what is allowed just to do that. To be the bad boy for a chuckle.

Yes it's so very clever a joke, be proud, take that stand. reg

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Snook
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