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The darkness rises up and coalesces into a shadowy being with blazing crimson eyes.
>'shaukal, spare a shot of walls?
You ask, "shaukal, spare a shot of walls?"
stance def

>You are now in a defensive stance.
>
You feel less drained.
>l
Trechus just went down.
>
[Upper Dragonsclaw, Boulder]
The crest of the towering boulder affords a good view of the surrounding countryside. To the north, you see the dense forests of the Lower Dragonsclaw. Looking northeast, the verdant grasslands sprawl down towards the coast. Gazing southward at the slopes, in the distance you see the snow-covered summits of the Dragonsclaw mountain range, shrouded in perpetual mist. You also see a shadowy vishmiir who is lying down and a roughly-hewn granite mattock.
Also here: High Lady Larenusia, Dethcom, Syphinal who is lying down, Shaukal who is seated, Kades, Treden
Obvious paths: down.
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Shaukal gestures and utters a phrase of magic.
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Shaukal gestures at you.
A wall of force surrounds you.
>'whoa
Shaukal nods to the shadowy vishmiir.
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Dethcom says, "bah viehsonirr weak"
>
You say, "whoa"
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Treden asks, "are me and solkern the only one who saw the shadows?"
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.net

[Press the ESCape key to abort script.]
sign of thought
sign of thought
sign of thought
Shaukal says, "Good to see you."
[Script]>Your hypnotic gesture makes your mind receptive to the thoughts of others. You feel their distant, comforting presence.
[Script]>
Your hypnotic gesture makes your mind receptive to the thoughts of others. You feel their distant, comforting presence.
Your hypnotic gesture makes your mind receptive to the thoughts of others. You feel their distant, comforting presence.
[Script]>
Trechus just arrived.
pull my glowing amulet

[Script finished!]
>As you cover your glowing amulet with your hand and pull, just for a moment the sky and everything around you turns black.
>think everyone locate me now!
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You focus on projecting your thoughts...
Round time: 5 seconds.

You hear the subdued thoughts of You echo in your mind:
"everyone locate me now!"
>[Upper Dragonsclaw, Boulder]
The crest of the towering boulder affords a good view of the surrounding countryside. To the north, you see the dense forests of the Lower Dragonsclaw. Looking northeast, the verdant grasslands sprawl down towards the coast. Gazing southward at the slopes, in the distance you see the snow-covered summits of the Dragonsclaw mountain range, shrouded in perpetual mist. You also see a shadowy vishmiir and a roughly-hewn granite mattock.
Also here: Trechus, High Lady Larenusia, Dethcom, Syphinal who is lying down, Shaukal who is seated, Kades, Treden
Obvious paths: down.
>

You hear the subdued thoughts of Larenusia echo in your mind:
"Them stink vishies are in our heads on the boulder! :shriek:"
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The air calms down around Trechus.
>

You hear the subdued thoughts of Henge echo in your mind:
"selling an ebony spidersilk cloak. 8lbs holds 100. MB:50k to ipeter three times....."
>wav vis
Dethcom reaches for the shadowy vishmiir, but can't seem to grab ahold!
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You wave to the shadowy vishmiir.
>

You hear the subdued thoughts of Piricon echo in your mind:
"could someone familiar with the ranger guild ttm please, I got left here last night by mistake and am now lost in the woods"
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Dethcom slings a veniom-bound rolaren tower shield off from over his shoulder.
>'heya vishy
You say, "heya vishy"
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Dethcom says, "waba fight"
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Larenusia raises her fist defiantly.
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You feel a strange darkness surround your mind.
>

You hear the subdued thoughts of Clearity echo in your mind:
"I had one of those hairpins like 3 or 4 years ago. I want another so 85k!"
>think vish is on the bouldeder
You concentrate hard but something is blocking you.
(ESP blocked for 59 minutes.)
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A shadowy vishmiir says in an icily cold voice heard more in your mind, "There... is a price... to pay... for calling... us forth... foolish... little worms."
>l
[Upper Dragonsclaw, Boulder]
The crest of the towering boulder affords a good view of the surrounding countryside. To the north, you see the dense forests of the Lower Dragonsclaw. Looking northeast, the verdant grasslands sprawl down towards the coast. Gazing southward at the slopes, in the distance you see the snow-covered summits of the Dragonsclaw mountain range, shrouded in perpetual mist. You also see a shadowy vishmiir and a roughly-hewn granite mattock.
Also here: Trechus, High Lady Larenusia, Dethcom, Syphinal who is lying down, Shaukal who is seated, Kades, Treden
Obvious paths: down.
>
Dethcom attempts to kick a shadowy vishmiir!
MB: 285 vs MB: 2541 = -2256 -- Lose advantage!
THT 75, d100 roll: 77, modified: -2179
A clean miss.
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Dethcom says, "wow"
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Larenusia says, "Uh oh"
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Treden says, "heh"
>

You hear the subdued thoughts of Darkbeauti echo in your mind:
"selling a shimmering moon opal hairpin. Pin worn, is marked with the "Spiritlight" glyph. MB 20k send me thoughts please CB 85k to Clearity"
>
Dethcom says, "wow"
>

You hear the subdued thoughts of Siveron echo in your mind:
"a rough leather satchel for sale. Worn over the shoulder, closes and holds at least 24 pounds. Minimum bid is 1000 silver."
>
High Lady Larenusia just went down.
>
High Lady Larenusia just arrived.
>

You hear the subdued thoughts of Lochke echo in your mind:
"Clearity stop driving up your friends item! ::flails::"
chu dedeth
>I could not find what you were referring to.
Shaukal asks, "And that price would be?"
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Dethcom exclaims, "i send ya back to voln!!"
>chu deth
You chuckle at Dethcom.
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Treden says, "he called us worms"
>

You hear the subdued thoughts of Kessy echo in your mind:
"'A ranger lost in the woods? :snicker:"
A shadowy vishmiir drifts over to Dethcom.
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A shadowy vishmiir swings its shadowy claws at Dethcom!
AS: +2000 vs DS: +114 with AvD: +26 + d100 roll: +22 = +1934
... and hits for 266 points of damage!
Weapon arm removed at the shoulder!

* Dethcom drops dead at your feet!

>

You hear the subdued thoughts of Henge echo in your mind:
"selling an ebony spidersilk cloak. 8lbs holds 100. MB:55k to kylrag......"
>
* Dethcom just bit the dust!
>
Larenusia shrieks!
>

You hear the subdued thoughts of Antersmack echo in your mind:
"1k satchel"
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Shaukal gestures and utters a phrase of magic.
>prep 305
You concentrate on the Preservation spell...
Your spell is ready.
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Shaukal gestures at Dethcom.
A luminescent web briefly forms around Dethcom, then fades into the body.
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Treden says, "ow"
>cast deeth
Cast at what?
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Trechus just went down.
>release

You hear the subdued thoughts of Piricon echo in your mind:
"not a ranger, a cleric, why I am lost "
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You feel the magic of your spell rush away from you.
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Suddenly you have the strangest feeling that you are being watched.
The feeling fades as quickly as it came.
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Trechus just arrived.

You hear the subdued thoughts of Henge echo in your mind:
"selling an ebony spidersilk cloak. 8lbs holds 100. MB:55k to kylrag once......"
>
You hear the ghostly voice of Dethcom say, "hey that weapon damage weight"
>

You hear the subdued thoughts of Thaindor echo in your mind:
"wheres moxxa"
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Larenusia rubs Dethcom gently.
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Kessy just arrived.
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A shadowy vishmiir says in an icily cold voice heard more in your mind, "Pay the price... little one... know your foolish... ways shall... get you... naught but... death and... coldness."
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Suddenly you have the strangest feeling that you are being watched.
The feeling fades as quickly as it came.
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Larenusia chuckles.
>l
[Upper Dragonsclaw, Boulder]
The crest of the towering boulder affords a good view of the surrounding countryside. To the north, you see the dense forests of the Lower Dragonsclaw. Looking northeast, the verdant grasslands sprawl down towards the coast. Gazing southward at the slopes, in the distance you see the snow-covered summits of the Dragonsclaw mountain range, shrouded in perpetual mist. You also see a shadowy vishmiir and a roughly-hewn granite mattock.
Also here: Kessy, Trechus, High Lady Larenusia, the body of Dethcom who is lying down, Syphinal who is lying down, Shaukal who is seated, Kades, Treden
Obvious paths: down.
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You hear the ghostly voice of Dethcom say, "no way claws hit that hard"
>chuh deth
I don't understand what you typed.
>

You hear the subdued thoughts of Siveron echo in your mind:
"a rough leather satchel for sale. Worn over the shoulder, closes and holds at least 24 pounds. Current bid is 1000 silver to Antersmack."
chu deth
>You chuckle at Dethcom.
>
You hear the ghostly voice of Dethcom say, "them claws weightedf"
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Larenusia chuckles.
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Treden chuckles.
>smirk
You smirk.
>l
[Upper Dragonsclaw, Boulder]
The crest of the towering boulder affords a good view of the surrounding countryside. To the north, you see the dense forests of the Lower Dragonsclaw. Looking northeast, the verdant grasslands sprawl down towards the coast. Gazing southward at the slopes, in the distance you see the snow-covered summits of the Dragonsclaw mountain range, shrouded in perpetual mist. You also see a shadowy vishmiir and a roughly-hewn granite mattock.
Also here: Kessy, Trechus, High Lady Larenusia, the body of Dethcom who is lying down, Syphinal who is lying down, Shaukal who is seated, Kades, Treden
Obvious paths: down.
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Kades rubs his chin thoughtfully.

You hear the ghostly voice of Dethcom say, "wait for me whew vishanir"
Larenusia meditates over Dethcom.
Larenusia takes Dethcom's right arm damage.

You hear the subdued thoughts of Henge echo in your mind:
"selling an ebony spidersilk cloak. 8lbs holds 100. MB:60k to ipeter once..."
>

You hear the subdued thoughts of Grelsh echo in your mind:
"if any one needs to pick up items from my auction, ttm will be here a bit"
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Shaukal says, "At least ya came out and killed him this time."
>peer vish
Larenusia meditates over Dethcom.
Larenusia takes Dethcom's right leg damage.
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A shadowy vishmiir says in an icily cold voice heard more in your mind, "Now... the rest of you... shall pay... for his... foolishness."
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Larenusia gestures and utters a phrase of magic.
Larenusia gestures.
Larenusia's right arm looks better.

You hear the subdued thoughts of Darkbeauti echo in your mind:
"selling a shimmering moon opal hairpin. Pin worn, is marked with the "Spiritlight" glyph. MB 20k send me thoughts please CB 85k to Clearity Once"
>
You peer quizzically at a shadowy vishmiir.
>

You hear the subdued thoughts of Siveron echo in your mind:
"a rough leather satchel for sale. Worn over the shoulder, closes and holds at least 24 pounds. Current bid is 1000 silver to Antersmack. Going once."
>
You hear the ghostly voice of Dethcom say, "i come back in my battle armor"
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A white cat prances into the area.
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High Lady Larenusia just went down.
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You hear the ghostly voice of Dethcom say, "i come back in my battle armor"
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The white cat begins to watch the goings on carefully.
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Kades fidgets.
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There is a twinkle in a white cat's eyes.
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You hear the ghostly voice of Dethcom say, "some one raise me i come back and fight ya"
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The white cat prances off.
l
[Upper Dragonsclaw, Boulder]
The crest of the towering boulder affords a good view of the surrounding countryside. To the north, you see the dense forests of the Lower Dragonsclaw. Looking northeast, the verdant grasslands sprawl down towards the coast. Gazing southward at the slopes, in the distance you see the snow-covered summits of the Dragonsclaw mountain range, shrouded in perpetual mist. You also see a shadowy vishmiir and a roughly-hewn granite mattock.
Also here: Kessy, Trechus, the body of Dethcom who is lying down, Syphinal who is lying down, Shaukal who is seated, Kades, Treden
Obvious paths: down.
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Vortinar just arrived.
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Treden laughs!
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Vortinar gibbers incoherently.
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Vortinar drops to his knees in utter despair! Overcome by the pure evil emanating from the shadowy vishmiir, Vortinar's arms fall slack at his side and his eyes grow wide with an overwhelming look of fear!

Kessy drops to her knees in utter despair! Overcome by the pure evil emanating from the shadowy vishmiir, Kessy's arms fall slack at her side and her eyes grow wide with an overwhelming look of fear!

Trechus drops to his knees in utter despair! Overcome by the pure evil emanating from the shadowy vishmiir, Trechus's arms fall slack at his side and his eyes grow wide with an overwhelming look of fear!

You drop to your knees in utter despair! Overcome by the foul stench of pure evil emanating from the shadowy vishmiir, your arms fall slack at your sides and feel your limbs slipping away as an utter and complete fear seizes a suffocating control of your mind and body!

Overcome by the pure evil emanating from the shadowy vishmiir, Syphinal's arms fall slack at his side and his eyes grow wide with an overwhelming look of fear!

Overcome by the pure evil emanating from the shadowy vishmiir, Shaukal's arms fall slack at his side and his eyes grow wide with an overwhelming look of fear!

Kades drops to his knees in utter despair! Overcome by the pure evil emanating from the shadowy vishmiir, Kades's arms fall slack at his side and his eyes grow wide with an overwhelming look of fear!

Treden drops to his knees in utter despair! Overcome by the pure evil emanating from the shadowy vishmiir, Treden's arms fall slack at his side and his eyes grow wide with an overwhelming look of fear!

A shadowy vishmiir draws an ancient sigil in the air.
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A shadowy vishmiir points a spectral finger at Trechus!
CS: +2828 - TD: +36 + CvA: +20 + d100: +73 - -5 == +2890
Warding failed!
Trechus contorts in excruciating agony!
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Suddenly you have the strangest feeling that you are being watched.
The feeling fades as quickly as it came.
>

You hear the subdued thoughts of Darkbeauti echo in your mind:
"selling a shimmering moon opal hairpin. Pin worn, is marked with the "Spiritlight" glyph. MB 20k send me thoughts please CB 85k to Clearity Twice"
>
Treden struggles against the fear!
FS: 2700 - FD: 30 + FvP: 31 + d100(L): 12 = 2713
Warding failed!

Treden moans pitifully, frozen in place, unable to do anything but whimper in fear!
Trechus struggles against the fear!
FS: 2700 - FD: 15 + FvP: 32 + d100(L): -17 = 2700
Warding failed!

Trechus moans pitifully, frozen in place, unable to do anything but whimper in fear!
Kessy struggles against the fear!
FS: 2700 - FD: 39 + FvP: 26 + d100(L): -81 = 2606
Warding failed!

Kessy moans pitifully, frozen in place, unable to do anything but whimper in fear!
You struggle against your fear!
FS: 2700 - FD: 66 + FvP: 30 + d100(L): -72 = 2592
Warding failed!

You moan pitifully as you hold your head in your hands, unable to do anything but whimper with fear!
Shaukal struggles against the fear!
FS: 2700 - FD: 402 + FvP: 13 + d100(L): 73 = 2384
Warding failed!

Shaukal is racked by convulsive shivers!
Vortinar struggles against the fear!
FS: 2700 - FD: 9 + FvP: 29 + d100(L): 43 = 2763
Warding failed!

Vortinar moans pitifully, frozen in place, unable to do anything but whimper in fear!
Syphinal struggles against the fear!
FS: 2700 - FD: 48 + FvP: 22 + d100(L): 22 = 2696
Warding failed!

Syphinal moans pitifully, frozen in place, unable to do anything but whimper in fear!
Kades struggles against the fear!
FS: 2700 - FD: 57 + FvP: 30 + d100(L): 42 = 2715
Warding failed!

Kades moans pitifully, frozen in place, unable to do anything but whimper in fear!
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You hear the subdued thoughts of Henge echo in your mind:
"selling an ebony spidersilk cloak. 8lbs holds 100. MB:60k to ipeter twice..."
>

You hear the subdued thoughts of Siveron echo in your mind:
"a rough leather satchel for sale. Worn over the shoulder, closes and holds at least 24 pounds. Current bid is 1000 silver to Antersmack. Going once. Twice!"
>l
[Upper Dragonsclaw, Boulder]
The crest of the towering boulder affords a good view of the surrounding countryside. To the north, you see the dense forests of the Lower Dragonsclaw. Looking northeast, the verdant grasslands sprawl down towards the coast. Gazing southward at the slopes, in the distance you see the snow-covered summits of the Dragonsclaw mountain range, shrouded in perpetual mist. You also see a shadowy vishmiir and a roughly-hewn granite mattock.
Also here: a stunned Vortinar who is kneeling, a stunned Kessy who is kneeling, a stunned Trechus who is kneeling, the body of Dethcom who is lying down, a stunned Syphinal who is lying down, a stunned Shaukal who is seated, a stunned Kades who is kneeling, a stunned Treden who is kneeling
Obvious paths: down.
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A shadowy vishmiir slowly fades away, its laughter echoing like the cracking of bones.
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Treden struggles against the fear!
FS: 2700 - FD: 30 + FvP: 31 + d100(L): 43 = 2744
Warding failed!

Treden clutches himself and sobs pitifully as drool runs down his chin!
Trechus struggles against the fear!
FS: 2700 - FD: 15 + FvP: 32 + d100(L): 49 = 2766
Warding failed!

Trechus moans pitifully, frozen in place, unable to do anything but whimper in fear!
Kessy struggles against the fear!
FS: 2700 - FD: 39 + FvP: 26 + d100(L): 55 = 2742
Warding failed!

Kessy cries out in sheer terror!
You struggle against your fear!
FS: 2700 - FD: 66 + FvP: 30 + d100(L): 53 = 2717
Warding failed!

You rock back and forth while sobbing uncontrollably!
Shaukal struggles against the fear!
FS: 2700 - FD: 402 + FvP: 13 + d100(L): 49 = 2360
Warding failed!

Shaukal opens his mouth and tries to scream, but nothing comes out!
Vortinar struggles against the fear!
FS: 2700 - FD: 9 + FvP: 29 + d100(L): 57 = 2777
Warding failed!

Vortinar is racked by convulsive shivers!
Syphinal struggles against the fear!
FS: 2700 - FD: 48 + FvP: 22 + d100(L): 56 = 2730
Warding failed!

Syphinal moans pitifully, frozen in place, unable to do anything but whimper in fear!
Kades struggles against the fear!
FS: 2700 - FD: 57 + FvP: 30 + d100(L): 98 = 2771
Warding failed!

Kades clutches his head and giggles madly, before choking on a pitiful whimper!
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High Lady Larenusia just arrived.
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* Corrig just bit the dust!
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Larenusia gestures and utters a phrase of magic.
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Larenusia gestures at Shaukal.
The glazed look leaves Shaukal.
>

You hear the subdued thoughts of Siveron echo in your mind:
"The rough leather satchel weighs 8 pounds."
>
Larenusia gestures and utters a phrase of magic.
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>[Upper Dragonsclaw, Boulder]
The crest of the towering boulder affords a good view of the surrounding countryside. To the north, you see the dense forests of the Lower Dragonsclaw. Looking northeast, the verdant grasslands sprawl down towards the coast. Gazing southward at the slopes, in the distance you see the snow-covered summits of the Dragonsclaw mountain range, shrouded in perpetual mist. You also see a roughly-hewn granite mattock.
Also here: High Lady Larenusia, a stunned Vortinar who is kneeling, a stunned Kessy who is kneeling, a stunned Trechus who is kneeling, the body of Dethcom who is lying down, a stunned Syphinal who is lying down, Shaukal who is seated, a stunned Kades who is kneeling, a stunned Treden who is kneeling
Obvious paths: down.

tell me what YOU think about this stuff? reg

[This message has been edited by Mallagra (edited 02-07-2002).] reg

First off you wave to the vishmiir.

Then you call him vishy?

Then Dethcom attempts to attack him?

I wonder why people that have played GS as a roleplaying game for a while have quit...hmm...I gotta think a long time on that I'll get back to you. reg

Dethcom called the thing for about 20 minutes and wouldn't shutup about how he could survive a 2000 end roll over and over.

Honestly you called the thing what did you expect it to do. Even the people who do "roleplay" with it get destroyed.

If you think he is to powerful you could always just not call it or leave when people do.

Raok reg

If you don't want the boulder to get mocked or ridiculed as being a non-roleplaying area and that it's all IC, perhaps posting some actual roleplayed situations would be a good idea.

When the only examples we see of boulder interactions are like the ones above, you can see why people frown upon this area. I was rather upset to see the viishmiir not downright kill everyone on the boulder with no chance of living through it. IC interaction indeed. reg

Leslie

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Smell that shoe! reg

That would be considered IC on the boulder. What's up with trying to be IC in the rest of the game?

Sheesh, you'd think this was a roleplaying game or something.

-Revalos reg

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Originally posted by Moken:
Who cares, dont force roleplay on someone if they dont want to. Not everyone comes to gemstone to roleplay and be some old lords bitch till they achieve that age. If they have fun dueling so be it, they dont like roleplaying you dont like them, is it so hard to stay away from each other? Squelch strings work well if you find some role player particularly annoying...grin

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If you do not wish to role play, perhaps a better choice for you would be one that is not a Role Playing game.

An odd idea perhaps, but one to consider. reg

This is made *very* clear in the Terms of Service and User Agreement of both Simutronics and the actual game itself.

Again, the responsibility falls on the shoulders of the non-roleplayer to keep their own activities from disrupting the enjoyment of the roleplayer.

You don't have to like that rule, but by having an account and using it to play, you DO agree to it.

People who are genuinely new to Gemstone don't know that the boulder is a place to avoid, and will at one point or another end up in the area. It is, for a third time in this post, the responsibility of the non-roleplayer to curtail their non-roleplaying in an effort to prevent the roleplayer from being disrupted in their attempt to enjoy the game.

R
reg

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Originally posted by Moken:
You are encouraged to roleplay, you dont have to so long as its not out of character and disruptive. This behavior isnt disruptive its how they want to live their lives, and people who act like that are centralized round the boulder, so if ya dont like it dont go round there.

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What part of this sentence in my post did you not understand? Let me know and I'll translate it into |-|4><0r for ya.

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People who are genuinely new to Gemstone don't know that the boulder is a place to avoid, and will at one point or another end up in the area.

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Originally posted by Revalos:
Heh...I'm suprised the Vishmiir didn't say "OWNED!" after killing Dethcom, or then call everyone "weak" and "gay".

-Revalos

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LOL! reg

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Originally posted by Moken:
You are encouraged to roleplay, you dont have to so long as its not out of character and disruptive. This behavior isnt disruptive its how they want to live their lives, and people who act like that are centralized round the boulder, so if ya dont like it dont go round there.

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I don't know if you read your own words or just type them.
IF you are in character as is seen as acceptable in Gemstone then you ARE role playing.

Except for the extremely rare....rare as in perhaps one in a thousand...exception, the people who populate the boulder are not that.

Now for a bizare reason still unknown to me those on the boulder that evening were given the chance to role play with a gm controlled character. something many in the lands would give an arm for and they do what?

Toss it into the sewer they have created and then have the gall to complain about such attention on top of it. reg

'Another fine piece of roleplay from that fabulous nexus of goodness we call the boulder'..or something similiar

God damn does that apply right now..

-He who forages for herbs up there from time to time.... and would open e-wave/open implode the god damn place if someone decided to inform him that existing there is consent, and kneeling means you want to die, or whatever the hell the twits say. reg

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Originally posted by Solkern:
Actually, if you read teh log mroe clearly, a few actually tried to roleplay it out, such as shaukal. thanks
dont assume everyone on the boulder is a moron, the few that make it look like a dumb place are the loud mouths one that do stuff like this, so dont target the boulder in general cause it's not everyone is only a few people

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If you wish for me to admit that every last person who ever set foot on the boulder is not a horrible role player then done.

IF on the other hand you are trying to say the majority of people who frequent the boulder roleplay well while there then you had better not hold your breath cause you know darn well that that is not true.

As sad as it is and as much as I wish the GMs would put a stop to it, most boulderites display little if any role playing while there. While upsetting, if it could somehow be totally contained i might reluctantly say alright.
However as we all see every day what happens is the inevitable spillage of that type of non roleplaying into Elanthia at large.

reg

"As Fyoryk stood proudly over the steaming carcass of the slain beast of Arganorog, she felt the battle cry of the ancients
welling up from her primordial being and throwing her head back, howled forth, 'Yeeeeeyah! Who's yo' daddy now, beyotch?!'"

reg

Having it done on the boulder in a level three hunting area is not the place. Don't tell me that your average, honestly "new" character knows about the boulder. So when they go up there and see the majority of the interaction as "dude, check out my AS after I trained", they see this as another acceptable way to play, thus never really learning the right ways to roleplay.

I've learned to ignore the boulder interactions and people, but when I hear of GM interaction on the boulder, something most people would LOVE to receive, played in the boulderite fashion, basically saying "it's cool to play like this homie", it makes me wonder what wall that GM beat his head against. reg

Oh, PLEASE, spare me, I go on the boulder quite a bit, and I've never seen anything come CLOSE to this, to me it looks liek your just trying to give it a bad name, it's funyn the people that actually bad mouth the boulder been there maybe ONCEC or twicec, i bet if you went up there as much as i have, you would change your mind on what you think of the boulder, yes i admit there are about 5 people that dont roleplay one bit, but besides that, the rest actually do, and only come up to have a little fun and get away from hunting or merchanting, So unless you go up to the boudler all the time, dont start talking about it like you know what's up, cause you only here about the bad parts, which isnt that much

reg

And I echo the statement of CrystalTears, new players go up on the boulder and see that, and they think that that is roleplaying.

-Revalos reg

you guy all act like roleplaying needs to be done perfectly or it's not at all, roleplaying is the simple fact of playing someone else, NOTHING more, get it right reg

how in the hell is talking about DS/AS, surviving 2000 endrolls, using "u", and just sitting there letting your character get killed or kill without any ramifications roleplaying? Explain that to me. Oh yeah...and

Roleplaying is playing someone else, theres no guidelines to it, they can roleplay as they choose, so dont act liek if it's not roleplaying in your eyes, it's not at all

Really...is that so? I'm not making the rules here, the GMs are. And the GMs have set what can be roleplayed and what can't. Can you play a rapist? A child molester? A space alien? No. There ARE guidelines to it and most of the people I've seen on the boulder don't cut it. They are tolerated because they give the same almighty dollar to Simu that everyone else does. So take it or leave it...what goes on on the boulder is not roleplaying, any way you slice it.

-Revalos reg

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Originally posted by Moken:
technically if you are roleplaying and listening, u sounds the same as you when spoken as does kool sound the same as cool.snicker

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Guess we know who flunked their phonics class now, eh?

The letter "u" is pronounced "oo" when spoken as a "word." When identified as a letter of the alphabet, it is pronouned "Yoo."

reg

My character is Spidr, and he goes to the boulder for fun after a long hunt. No reason to talk bad about it. It's simple..don't like it, don't go. reg

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Originally posted by Skirmisher:
Once again the boulder crew lives up to expectations.

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How about i RP me putting my fist through your head, ya freak

It's not the greatest RPing but i just can't stand people who rip on the boulder, not even knowing half the people who go there. Not to mention half of your are probably just SCARED of us.

reg

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Originally posted by CrystalTears:
I'll accept dueling as long as it's done in a good location and roleplayed. Why they don't open the gladiator arena and have contestants and spectators pay to duel there is beyond me.

Having it done on the boulder in a level three hunting area is not the place. Don't tell me that your average, honestly "new" character knows about the boulder. So when they go up there and see the majority of the interaction as "dude, check out my AS after I trained", they see this as another acceptable way to play, thus never really learning the right ways to roleplay.

I've learned to ignore the boulder interactions and people, but when I hear of GM interaction on the boulder, something most people would LOVE to receive, played in the boulderite fashion, basically saying "it's cool to play like this homie", it makes me wonder what wall that GM beat his head against.

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Your right, it should be done some place else, when i played i made NUMBEROUS attempts to talk to Andraste about moving or helping the boulder in some way, from what i got out of her, it seemed like she didn't care and didn't want to talk to me, so i quit. And saying the WHOLE boulder is not RPing and shouldn't be allowed it stupid, me and others worked and worked trying to fix the problem rather than COMPLAINING about it, if you don't like it, get off your lazy butt and fix it or shut your mouth, because guess what? it's NOT going to go away, you can remove the boulder, but somewhere some place people will duel and the same thing will happen.

reg

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Originally posted by Gossard:

How about i RP me putting my fist through your head, ya freak

It's not the greatest RPing but i just can't stand people who rip on the boulder, not even knowing half the people who go there. Not to mention half of your are probably just SCARED of us.

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Thanks, I think your post says it all.

You prove my point. reg

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Originally posted by Gossard:

How about i RP me putting my fist through your head, ya freak

It's not the greatest RPing but i just can't stand people who rip on the boulder, not even knowing half the people who go there. Not to mention half of your are probably just SCARED of us.

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Oh..and can we agree to never use the words greatest roleplaying and boulder in the same post? Thanks so much.
reg

how in the hell is talking about DS/AS, surviving 2000 endrolls, using "u", and just sitting there letting your character get killed or kill without any ramifications roleplaying? Explain that to me. Oh yeah...and

lets see so everyont that says 4x over the net, ,breakage and what not they arent roleplaying either are they? in GS some things are let go such as that, stop trtying to make like you know it all, dueling? how is that not roleplaying? please tell me, if the GMs make the rules they say dueling is OK with consent reg

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Originally posted by Solkern:
[QUOTE]Originally posted by Revalos:
[B]Solkern,

how in the hell is talking about DS/AS, surviving 2000 endrolls, using "u", and just sitting there letting your character get killed or kill without any ramifications roleplaying? Explain that to me. Oh yeah...and

lets see so everyont that says 4x over the net, ,breakage and what not they arent roleplaying either are they? in GS some things are let go such as that, stop trtying to make like you know it all, dueling? how is that not roleplaying? please tell me, if the GMs make the rules they say dueling is OK with consent

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People in general use terms such as breakage numbers because they are unaware just how ooc it is. They are not the problem as most times a polite whisper and explanation will explain why such numbers should not be used.

The problem is where someone is adamant about using such terminology out loud or any other ooc speak out loud.

I have been berated for asking people in whispers to not talk about SIMU and such out loud in public areas.

Now be assured I am totally polite the several times i do whisper to anyone as i know it is possible to slip up and do so myself at times of course.

Those that feel that not only is it alright to speak so but that I am being a l00ser or crybaby for even mentioning it to them in a whisper and then feel the need to respond out loud being ooc on an entirely new level are the ones who ruin things for everyone.

No one is saying that if you slip up once in a while you are some horrible person.

Just try to listen to why others may feel what you are doing is wrong and at least consider it. reg

Everyone knows what the boulder is. But yet they want to cry?

Well screw this. Everyone knows that all the PCs at HS are GM\GH\SGM\Mentor owned. That is the reason they start all RP events there. Because they are only letting their friends into their event.

Damn you EDGE! You let our secret out!

If you don't like the one place in the lands that people like to fight and be......whatever they want. Then Don't go.

But on the other hand. The GMs\staff seem to like to pick on them. Oh well. They could have solved this YEARS ago by opening the GLAD arena and take coins out of the lands at the same time.

But NO. Lets be stupid and not do a sensible thing. Like regulating this. Lets Extend the constable jurisdiction. Let's harass all the people that don't think the same way. Let's just be stupid and CREATE [MORE] problems that could have been solved years ago..............

Oh wait! That is the way this company is ran.

edge

PS: The person that freed up my account of 30m will deal with me in person. Oh wait! Staff would not do that. What am I thinking. My hauberk was never +27 heavy crit padded either. The staffers that previously owned it are liars!.....Says Simutronics.

[This message has been edited by edge (edited 02-10-2002).] reg

I don't think anyone should be unkillable. should be 5% chance of being hit. Not only by the 160+ crew.

I casted meteor storm during a invasion after my 425 was dispelled on accident. I thought on the net what I did and warned everyone. Then right after that I get arrested with a 1.24m fine and the gods would not respond to me when I reported it. People can open implode and kill others and not get a fine. But I got one when i warned people about it.....

Lucky for me lots of people offered to loan me the coins. Since it happened on Teras. Where you are allowed to steal without getting into any trouble.

edge reg

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Originally posted by edge:
Give me a break...........
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If you don't like the one place in the lands that people like to fight and be......whatever they want. Then Don't go.

edge
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Two problems with that.

1.) Who says that there is anywhere in the lands that anyone can go to that should be totally ooc? Last I checked this was a role playing game.

2.) The people who I take issue with do NOT keep such behavior and ooc speak confined to the boulder.

If you wish not to role play, I use your own advice. Dont come to a role playing game.
reg

Plus, they allow the boulder to exist. So doing so, they are condoning OOC behavior there.

Not everyone is OOC at the boulder. Hell. I see people all over the lands being OOC all the time. If you are going to complain about the boulder crowd. Complain about MAing to. That is OOC. We all do it.

This is NOT a true roleplaying game or they would enforce RP. So saying it's a RP game is a weak arguement.

They do enforce RP in Plat, which is your option if the boulder crowd bothers you so much.

edge
reg

So this is advertised as a roleplaying game. And for many years, it has been a roleplaying game.

So, you are stepping into a fantasy land, acting as a CHARACTER who lives in that world. Now why would you say, "dood" "kool" etc? If you stepped into a time machine would you expect to hear these words? When you go to see the next Lord of the Rings movie, how would you feel if you hear Arwen calling everyone Dood and saying how Kool it is to meet the hobbits? Would you say that she fits right in? Or would you think it's idiotic and a bad movie that cannot stick to the genre?

Trying to justify it by saying just because it isn't high quality RP doesn't mean it isn't RP is a weak argument. You aren't RPing anything. You are being YOURSELF, speaking as yourself, not placing yourself in your character's shoes, or slippers and boots as the case may be.

And I have gone to the boulder on several occasions. Usually to meet up with people or to deliver something. I also used to rest there when hunting hobs many years ago. It is not too far from the front gate, so saying don't go there if you don't want to see it is a lame argument. New people can easily find their way there, and most people starting into a game will base their RP to that of those they are surrounded by. And this behavior does not remain solely on the boulder. Somehow I just do not see you stepping off the boulder and suddenly stepping back into character.

Improvement to Roleplaying should be guided by the GMs, but ultimately, it rests with the player population. You trying to justify it as a dialect is ridiculous. Dialects evolve over time from the main language. In order to keep the world believable, there has to be guidelines and standards. We may be lacking in guidelines, but the standards are up to us. You are promoting the least common denominator for the standard, therefore, it makes improving the level of RP incredibly difficult.

And saying that it is solely the GMs fault in my eyes is nothing more that hiding behind the GMs flaws to continue your own bad behavior or to justify the bad behavior of others.

Aerienne reg

As far as picking on the boulder, it happens a lot, they send invasions all the time, and never do they RP with the invasions, stuff will just show up and then leave, one time a hobgoblin came up holding a sign that said "don't use area spells"....mean while they send roa'ters, and things over 50, then they go down and kill all the hob hunters or send them running for their life

And i still waiting to hear why Andraste never wanted to talk to me about changing or helping the boulder.

reg

There are many other rooms....1000s of them to just pick on one room. People cried till they got rid of the Dinghy because it was close to town. Now they move the place these type of people want to hang out and everyone is crying all over again. Don't go there. One in 1000 new people find it on there own. So what if they do?

I go there when I am bored to watch people. So what?

Yes, it's the GMs fault for allowing this. The lands are what they allowed it to be. It is the GMs job to enforce policy. Is it not? You are pretty much saying they are not responsible for the way the lands are now. They are.

Ignoring a problem is not the solution.

Ignoring the players is not a solution.

Throwing the blame elsewhere is not the solution.

As for quoting. Its not truthful. False advertisement to get people here. Simple. Gemstone is not a RP game. It may have started that way, but it's not now and hasn't been for years.

There are options if you want RP. Inferno. Die hard RP there. DAoC is also great RP. Gemstone Prime is not about that. Everyone knows this.

I personally don't care what people say. I can listen or not. Some people RP so good makes you want to join in. Others....Just don't want to. Yes. This is the staffs fault for allowing it. It's not a weak arguement like you tried to say. It's a very strong one. Especially when they was responsible for enforcing RP or not.

Gemstone is now about wealth and levels. Getting there as fast as possible.

The solution has been in front of them for a long time. Open the arena and charge entrance fee. That solves several things. Takes coins out of the lands, keeps people happy and makes it a RP event.

Why is this so difficult for people to understand?

edge
reg

It was "kewl."

So all these logs with great RP that keep popping up here are fakes to get us to all come running to the boulder? Yeah, right.

And BS that you never get an opportunity to RP with these invasions. Here was an opportunity, and it was spent using it as another chance to show how tough they were, and to holler on the net,"everyone locate me now!" and "Them stink vishies are in our heads on the boulder! :shriek:" whatever the heck that was supposed to mean. I loved the "waba fight" comment. The vishmiir continued to try to RP with this group, to no avail.

The funniest part of it all is that they actually CALLED the thing to them.

The part that I call weak is the fact that you say you want change, but that you are not willing to say that we need to change ourselves in order to effect change. Policy is nothing without participation. YES I ABSOLUTELY FEEL THE GMS NEED TO CHANGE POLICY. But I am also saying that we are also to blame for the lack of RP and the lack of a community enforcement of RP.
Aerienne reg

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Originally posted by edge:
huh?

As for quoting. Its not truthful. False advertisement to get people here. Simple. Gemstone is not a RP game. It may have started that way, but it's not now and hasn't been for years.

Gemstone is now about wealth and levels. Getting there as fast as possible.

The solution has been in front of them for a long time. Open the arena and charge entrance fee. That solves several things. Takes coins out of the lands, keeps people happy and makes it a RP event.

Why is this so difficult for people to understand?

edge

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It's about wealth and levels ...for you.

And thats too bad, a good reason perhaps that its time for you to move on?

Most of us however DO wish to roleplay and as I said before its not the cluseless ones that make the lands worse.

It's people with the attitude like yours.

When you somehow come to the conclusion for all of us that its no longer a roleplaying game its lovely for you but try to consult the rest of us first. reg

1)We're sorry, but our type of roleplay doesn't involve sucking up to undead horrors so we can get a few RPA's and trying to chit chat with it after its tried to eat our brains, ect, ect.(If your character, who is a quick to action slow to thought Giantman, sees a giant walking undead monster that wants to kill you, eat you, and/or suck out peoples brains then he's probably going to try and kill it, and ask a few questions later.)
2)Nowhere in the Policy does it say that we have to roleplay like some fairy who can do nothing but suck up to GMs and act all smooshy all day. From what I've seen if we're not acting like good/lawful characters, then we must not be RPing.
3)If you come to the boulder and act like a twit or act totally OOC(saying cool d00dz or talking about the ALLSTAR game) I will forcfully remove you, even if it means I have to go on a nice month long vacation.
4)You don't have to go there.(Did I mention that this is the most important part? eh? EH?) reg

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Originally posted by Gossard:

And i still waiting to hear why Andraste never wanted to talk to me about changing or helping the boulder.

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Perhaps you displayed the same stellar debating acumen with her, as on this board and after you threatened to RP putting your fist through her head, she was so overwhelmed with awe she is still recovering. reg

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Originally posted by Gossard:
And like i said, it's not going to change if you sit on your butt and whine about it

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Gee I just love this answer. What would you like us to do, pray tell? Because we all know that one or two of your basic players have so much pull in the game that we can open up a new area for duelers to go and hunt as they please in a controlled area. Yep, we have that kind of power.

Newsflash!!! All we HAVE is boards to complain and bitch about something we don't like. We CANNOT change anything unless many, many players stand together and make a rucus about changing something that the MAJORITY don't like. And that's what we're doing.

Guess what? The majority don't LIKE the boulder, whether it be 50% roleplaying or not. Guess what else?! We don't like the OOC anywhere else in the game for that matter either, so don't think we're singling out the boulder episodes.

But if you want to call roleplaying calling each other "dude" and saying "kewl", claiming "I can kick your ass with my AS 500 bolt" and "who should we pick on today" and point at the poor slob who is just watching, still learning, and doesn't say yes correctly, fair enough. Just understand the majority of us consider that OOC. reg

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Guess what? The majority don't LIKE the boulder, whether it be 50% roleplaying or not.

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Im really curious where you got this peice of information from. Seeing how the Official Message Boards only show the opinions of maybe 30%(if that much) of GS players, and thats the only place I've seen it discussed besides the amunet, and usually the amunet is full of people who either don't care, or the same people making the same lame arguement over and over. I think people are just mad because we found something fun to do besides kill identical lines of code over and over, and a small number are out to get us, and the rest just don't give a damn. reg

'lood
rock beats scissors, i owned you!! reg

And thats too bad, a good reason perhaps that its time for you to move on?

Most of us however DO wish to roleplay and as I said before its not the cluseless ones that make the lands worse.

It's people with the attitude like yours.

When you somehow come to the conclusion for all of us that its no longer a roleplaying game its lovely for you but try to consult the rest of us first...>>

God, I love talking to closed minded people.

It's not a purely RP game. It's about money and levels.

They do condone this bahavior by allowing it. Either they do something about it or not.

I don't personally hang out at the boulder. I go once in a while and chat with some of the people. So what? How does the boulder hurt anyone? They are OOC. So what? Really. So what?

I stay around the lands for my friends. I trained today. Only took me 3 months.

I think it's time for you to move on, since you get this bent out of shape about people being OOC. Go to Inferno or DAoC where it's about RP.

edge reg

I jes feel this game isnt really a roleplaying game any more and many people have trouble comin to grips with that. Whatever simutronics might say, theres too many holes in their archaeic policy. In my opinion, if you play these games for purely roleplay, gemstone is not the place for you. reg

Gemstone is my HOBBY (or used to be), I play for fun and hang out with friends, when it got to the point where I didn't like it anymore, I QUIT, plain and simple.

If you don't like the people, fine. If you want to vent your anger, fine. You have a right too, but don't go labeling and judging, and by the way I approached Andraste in a nice and friendly manner,...all 3 times. reg

Aerienne reg

We was discussing how if you are here for purely RP. Plus, having the boulder crowd. Which has been around since the Dinghy battles. Ruins your gaming experience. Then there are other options.

Take Gemstone for what it is. Which I have a hard time doing myself.

I don't care what the boulder crowd does at the boulder. I know to avoid that place if that bothers me.

I don't care what the HS puppets do. But I avoid it because I don't get along with most of the staff.

You know what places to avoid. 1000s of rooms in the game you can go and enjoy. Why complain about one that doesn't effect you personally? Just seems silly to me.

edge reg

Good post Edge.

And yes it is sad, "You don't like it leave."

But that's the way it has to be.

We have Urgoyle as well as a ton of others come on here and just vent about how much he hates the game...yet he still pays Simutronics. Makes absolutely no sense to me. (Forgive the need to use you as an example Urgoyle...you were just the first to come to my mind through posts here at the Player's Corner)[Sad I need to justify myself]

I think that the overall _maturity_ of this game has dropped. Notice I say maturity...not the word age. I don't care how old you are. Hell some of the oldest age wise people IRL that play this game are some of the most immature people that I've ever heard of. The fact that we have some people come in and tell people to change their bard songs from the same old thing is just sad. I _do_ remember people like that coming up to me asking exactly how repel worked correctly. I _do_ remember people sucking up to me...now they just think I'm just a used-has-been because of the people I associate myself with. Ya know...you don't like it...my care factor is -1

The "older" crowd that is supposed to be the basis for this game is quickly diminishing. I've never associated myself with being one of the "elders". It means absolutely nothing to me that you've been around for 8 years, 10 years, etc. Hell who knows how long I've been around...I don't keep track...it means nothing.

People get their feelings hurt here...and rightfully so. This game is supposed to be an escape from your real life into something totally different that you have control over. You can control if you hunt bigger stuff....you can control whether you want to make more money...you can control whether or not you want to buy that expensive armor or not. It's your world...

Why does everyone have to come along and just mess up what everyone else is trying to make their own? That's a partially convaluted sentence, yes, I know...but it narrows everything down. Why does everyone just have to bring all of their hardships from the outside world into this world? It has made no sense to me. I've been a loner in GS since maybe one of the first days I started playing...and guess what it gets me...oh he's been around forever...it's old money...oh he was the original cleric vulture...oh he just wants experience...what a powerhunter...oh he helps out Edgeleaf and Summir...they're just using him to MA...he isn't the same Omnirus...

Well ya know...the people that I care to get respect from...I still do. I love being told how to raise correctly...it lets me realize that we still have people that actually like this game. People that actually enjoy making it to level 12 (First rezz spell in the cleric circle along with 102 mana sharing if doubled every year from 0-12). That's why I'm happy to login from time to time.

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Second note:

If you are so bored with the game...yes, leaving is one way to do it...the other is just to keep it to yourself. It's extremely hard to in this extravagantly opinionated society of Gemstone. We have such a broad base of players: doctors, lawyers, students, teachers, mothers, dads, kids, teenagers, grandpas, grandmas, blue-collar workers...that's what makes this place different.

If you don't know that...check yourself...and check why you're really here. If you're here just to talk s*#t to everyone everyday of the week...maybe you're not here for the right reason

That's my point and I'm sticking to it.

[Sorry for the scrambled thoughts...long day]

reg

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Originally posted by edge:
It wasn't that discussion tell you made it that.

We was discussing how if you are here for purely RP. Plus, having the boulder crowd. Which has been around since the Dinghy battles. Ruins your gaming experience. Then there are other options.

Take Gemstone for what it is. Which I have a hard time doing myself.

I don't care what the boulder crowd does at the boulder. I know to avoid that place if that bothers me.

I don't care what the HS puppets do. But I avoid it because I don't get along with most of the staff.

You know what places to avoid. 1000s of rooms in the game you can go and enjoy. Why complain about one that doesn't effect you personally? Just seems silly to me.

edge

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Yes there have been some people acting this way for about as long as I can remember.

There have been criminals and other things I think are wrong for as long as humans have used laws I would expect.

Now before any one of you leap on me and say that I was saying ooc people and boulderites are akin to criminals, dont bother cause I'm not.

What I am saying is that simply because something is widespread and long lived does not make it right.

OOC behvior was wrong all those years ago, its wrong now it will be wrong tomorrow.

If I do not take a stand and try to convice people of it I am not doing anything to better the game so I do.

The fact that you will actively argue that its perfectly acceptable to be ooc whenever you wish cause this is how you are or that its a hobby or really any reason says that you are not able to see my point of view and I will no longer debate it with you.

Its just very dissapointing to hear anyone argue for ooc behavior being acceptable in a roleplaying game. reg

Its just very dissapointing to hear anyone argue for ooc behavior being acceptable in a roleplaying game.>>

I am not saying this. I do NOT condone OOC behaviar even though I slip myself.

What I am saying is this. The GMs have the power to step and and enforce RPing. But they don't. Ignoring it is condoning it.

Me personally. I don't care if people are OOC. I ignor it. Plus, it mainly happens at the boulder. This is what I am hearing. Why not avoid it? It's not hurting anyone. I would rather they have a place of there own. Why cause fights with these people when they are staying there? I just think it's silly. We got more major issues in the lands then a handful of people wanting to duel and be OOC all the time at the boulder.

edge

reg

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Originally posted by edge:
<<The fact that you will actively argue that its perfectly acceptable to be ooc whenever you wish cause this is how you are or that its a hobby or really any reason says that you are not able to see my point of view and I will no longer debate it with you.

Its just very dissapointing to hear anyone argue for ooc behavior being acceptable in a roleplaying game.>>

I am not saying this. I do NOT condone OOC behaviar even though I slip myself.

What I am saying is this. The GMs have the power to step and and enforce RPing. But they don't. Ignoring it is condoning it.

Me personally. I don't care if people are OOC. I ignor it. Plus, it mainly happens at the boulder. This is what I am hearing. Why not avoid it? It's not hurting anyone. I would rather they have a place of there own. Why cause fights with these people when they are staying there? I just think it's silly. We got more major issues in the lands then a handful of people wanting to duel and be OOC all the time at the boulder.

edge

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I think it's a little more than that Edge

I think it has to do with a subject you alluded to a while ago: hypocrity/contradiction.

The GM's change their minds all the time...they can't decide what _is_ and what _isn't_ OOC. They change their minds all the time. reg

PS-If you've read back a few months or so, since i wrote that 'wrong topic, ask me if i care' bit, you'd realize my view on the game was actually improving.

Doesn't mean I can't mention things I don't like if something gets in the way. I think President Bush is a clueless dickoff who doesn't know what he's doing.... But i also think he was somehow smart enough (or encouraged enough) to surround himself with the best support crew he could.

Does this mean i should leave the country? Go to canada or something?
Would it "Make absolutely no sense to you" If i knew what i liked, and decided to stick around no matter what?...

Gemstone may be beyond redemption, doesn't mean Simu itself is... (well, maybe the gemstone department, but even then, they were lookin up when i was checkin out) reg

I do _not_ want to get into politics with you...there was a topic in the off topic folder a while back with Rusval that got out of hand.

I am very apologetic in the fact that I did not want to single anyone out in the example. I know that I'm definitely guilty of a lot of things that several point out here on the boards...and I didn't want you to feel that you were the only one doing it.

However sarcastic your post was...I do apologize. reg

I'm sick of ignorant people. reg

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prep 616... reg

It's up to the players AS WELL to help each other roleplay according to the genre of the game, which is probably why Melissa is discussing this roleplaying contract because even she realizes that GMs can't be everywhere to monitor roleplaying.

The roleplay atmosphere is, however, better than it used to be in some aspects. People no longer ask for a DS check and instead ask to be swung at. The amunet conversations ARE better, believe it or not, but it still needs alot of improvement.

There are many things that need to be changed to reduce and eliminate OOC behavior, but you have to do it in baby steps. Gemstone is still a roleplaying game and you need to understand that everytime you step in the game. If you walk in saying "the GMs don't care", you seem to forget that the GMs don't play the game, they maintain it. WE the players play the game, and WE wish that it stay as a roleplaying game, thank you very much. reg

This keeps getting twisted and twisted. Bottom line. GMs and policy are suppose to set the standards and enforce them. Do they? No. So quit trying to say it's the players fault when its policy and GMs not setting the standards and enforcing them.

Who let this get out of hand? What doesn't define RP in the lands? Who didn't enforce RP in the lands? We can't as players ENFORCE RP. We can ask someone to be IC. But only the GMs can enforce it and don't.

edge

reg

The game was built on this thing called trust: trust that the players would play in the spirit in which the game was created, and trust that the staff would present the game in the same spirit.

Eventually, there came a time when there were far too many players for the staff to handle, and many (not most, not all) of these players just didn't care enough about the integrity of the "spirit" of the game to follow the rules. And staff never existed to be babysitters. They've been shoved into that position as a result of those players who didn't care.

As a result, things don't get finished, things promised never even get started, staff turnaround is enormous compared with what it was half a dozen years ago.

R
reg

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Originally posted by Desharei:
The staff shouldn't *have to enforce* the rules. The players should be mature enough to take responsibility for their own actions and not step over the line in the first place. The game was built on this thing called trust: trust that the players would play in the spirit in which the game was created, and trust that the staff would present the game in the same spirit.

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I'm not saying I don't think it's the player's responsibility to remain IC and RP because I do and I’m not saying that I think it’s entirely the GM’s responsibility to enforce RP, because I don’t. I think it is a mix of the two. There does have to be some sort of enforcement in place and I think that’s holds true with everything in life. It would be nice to be able to trust everyone, but without some sort of enforcement there would be chaos. Some people will RP on their own, but others are just not in GS for that reason. Regardless of how many times people have tried to persuade them to RP, they don't want to. Maybe these people should not being playing a game like GS, but they are. As a player there’s nothing I can do to remove them from the game and it’s not my responsibility to do so, my responsibility is to make sure I stay IC. Simutronics’ responsibility is to take care of those that refuse to. You as a player can’t remove them from the game, but you can control if you’re around them. Some people are angry that they even have to make the decision to avoid these people and maybe you should be since you’re paying for a product that isn’t fully what it claims to be.

Now this is of course not a fact, it’s based on my 7-8 years of playing experience. I’m betting if you look at the number of people that used to play vs. the number that play now and then look at the percent from each group that didn't RP, they would be pretty close to the same. There are so many more people in the game now that OOC is much easier to find than it used to be, but I think it's also a lot easier to find people that are RPing as well. There's so many darn people now that it's a rarity to walk into any room in GS and not see atleast one other person in there and there's a 50/50 chance that person will RP with you.

Oh well, that’s how I view things.

[This message has been edited by ZGemstone (edited 02-14-2002).] reg

<<The staff shouldn't *have to enforce* the rules. The players should be mature enough to take responsibility for their own actions and not step over the line in the first place.>>

All I got to say to that is this. Cops shouldn't *have to enforce* the law.

edge reg

When a huge influx of people arrived when it went to AOL/the web, the staff lost control and couldn't maintain the integrity of the game as much as they'd like. Some players lost control and did as they pleased and there weren't enough people to stop them.

The problem here is that when we as roleplayers are told to ignore those that are OOC or not roleplaying, the problem gets worse. This is why some things continue to be as they are because you only turn a blind eye for so long. Look where it got us. Now it will be harder to fix because people kept telling each other to ignore it rather than help and fix it.

Stop blaming the GMs for everything that goes wrong in the lands. The lack of roleplaying in many areas is just as much the players' fault as it is theirs. When people, I'm sorry edge, even people as respected and known as you, go around with the belief that you shouldn't have to roleplay because many don't do it anymore, than it will never get better.

I pretty sure you don't go around in the game OOC and are a decent roleplayer. But many people DO read the boards, and hearing your true feelings on the matter stand out in a player's mind and figure "well hell, if edge feels that way and he's admired, why the hell can't I?" and so it goes. ::shrugs::

If you see something terribly OOC in the game and you can't seem to shake them of doing it, report it. GMs will do something to the people who are being OOC. People bitch and complain that they don't want GMs involved in everything yet you want them to hold everyone's hand and force them to roleplay? To do what you're supposed to do in the first place? Have them whisper to you, "roleplay please"? C'mon. It's supposed to be UNDERSTOOD that you should roleplay. That's like going to pay to play in a lasertag game and just standing in the corner playing jacks and not participating in the game. The game masters shouldn't have to go in there and poke you into joining the battle. That's why you're there. But yeah, you paid your money.. you should play however you want.

Just don't get upset when things don't get handled in the game because you want them to spend more time taking care of OOC issues. They can't do everything all the time. Sometimes the players need to do their share.

[This message has been edited by CrystalTears (edited 02-14-2002).] reg

Nuff said.

Only then will you find enlightenment.

- Pudgee reg

Yes there are many more people now that GS can be accessed via the web and yes it was impossible for them to control the gaming environment. With the influx of people comes an influx of money from more subscriptions. Just as in any company, when production and volume increases you increase resources to handle that volume. If problems arise due to the increased volume, you spend more money on resources to fix those problems. Don’t get me wrong, I think every player is responsible for his or her own actions (remaing IC) and in trying to improve the gaming environment as best they can, but we have no control over the people playing with a different mind set.

Do we ignore the problem? No, we try and fix what we can by convincing those that we can into RPing. Do we condone OOC? Of course not, but there are people which are playing GS that are not there to RP. And, unfortunately the players alone can not control the entire gaming environment, there has to be some sort of GM interaction.
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C'est la vie...gaze reg

OOCers who have no intention of roleplaying and don't really care that they're disrupting the RP of people who want to RP.

The apathetic, who turn a blind eye to the above, thus allowing it to remain and fester.

The RPers, who try to stick it out regardless, or avoid places known for OOC, thus limiting their own adventures as a result.

And then you have the folks who say, "I've had enough of "trying" to RP in a RP game, I'm going to play a game in which RP is expected, and doesn't need to be enforced." And we go to those other games, and read these boards and feel thankful that we found a new home, but also retain fond memories of some of our own adventures in GemstoneIII.

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Originally posted by Dustin Brookthorn:
Anyone have anymore logs of these vish things? I'm banned so I've missed everything in the last 2 or 3 months, but I would appreciate seeing what happened.

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I posted one in the Events category, if you haven't already seen it. reg