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Constable/Law System

10:21 AMJust curious as to how people feel about the constable/jail system. If you don't like it, what do you think they should do to improve it?

I would ask that they make the fine time *game* time, from 1-5 hours depending on the amount of the fine. You wouldn't be allowed to receive silver or notes from other players.. earn the money on your own. Should the time end and you haven't paid, drag you back to jail and have you offer one of your items as payment. Why they take away your items, millions of silvers worth of clothes and equipment as confiscation for a 500 fine is beyond my comprehension. reg

11:29 AMI like your one item idea, that would be interesting. The only problem I see with that is people would carry around or wear an extra "trash" item. I know I would. If I got caught and had to pick one item I would just pick that trash item. I wouldn't be out anything and the justice system wouldn't really do any good.

What do you think about locking people in jail for a certain time based on the offense? Murder... Hold them in there for a day. Theft... Hold them in there for an hour. (I know most wouldn't like that one, but don't get caught!)

Personally, I think the way it sits now, with you being able to murder someone and be out of jail in 10 minutes is a little sad. It just reinforces the fact that murder isn't all that bad. (Aside from Simu's PvP policy.) You leave someone in jail for 24 hours and I bet they'll think about it before they go murdering someone in town...

reg

12:38 PMI Thought a player run judicial system would be kind of interesting, for repeat offenders etc etc. I don't want to go into details on how I would elaborate it, or under what circumstances there should be a trial, but if you have been locked up on three different occasions for murder, let a jury decide your fate. Obviously it would have to be more complex than that, and the idea of yoru fate being in the hands of someone who might hate you is kind of messed up, but its an intersting concept.

Mike

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03:00 PMThe best judicial system is to have a graduated punishment system which would punish the offender on a monetary value as well as with a jail time based on game time not real time.

Example. . .

Fluffy the thief steals from Mog the warrior
and gets caught and this is Fluffy's third offense on top of it and also Fluffy killed Mog out of the situation. Fluffy would be given 24 hours of real game time jail sentence along with a 500,000 silver coin fine. This would mean the player Fluffy would have to sit in jail for 24 hours while in Gemstone not 2 real days.

I believe this would put teeth into the judicial system and cut down on the nonsense stealing around town. reg

05:32 PMHaving someone have to sit in game for 24 hours doing nothing to get out of jail would result in lots of phone calls and letters to simu to cancel accounts. This money thing is pretty dumb, lets go eye for an eye, you steal, hand off. You kill, you die. If you e-wave, ect. you get all your limbs chopped off and thrown off the treehouse, stuff like that. Its total BS that people get fines and since all their money was in their items they lose 10mil in items because of a 1mil fine, and when are these items being "auctioned" off anyway? I want to buy a few things back.

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06:06 PMTarhen,

Death is meaningless in Gemstone. Death has no bite as well as the judicial system has no bite unless you are not able to retrieve your items within 1 real hour.

So, doing the eye for an eye, tooth for a tooth thing will never work because it is only a temporary punishment which can be resolved in just a few minutes.

If you want to really cause change, bring on what I just suggested and I guarantee you people will roleplay accordingly instead of mocking the constable.

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Having someone have to sit in game for 24 hours doing nothing to get out of jail would result in lots of phone calls and letters to simu to cancel accounts.

Some probably will but most will not if they truly are roleplaying. I am currently playing another game where this exact same thing happens and I can tell you now, the judicial system works wonders. Hardly anyone goes to jail and if they do, they DON'T complain about it. They accept what they got and live with it. reg

10:09 PMGet real, Gemstone isn't about roleplay anymore, its about money, if you think anything else then you need help. A change like your suggesting would make simu LOSE money. But, besides all that, the constable system is totally unrealistic. In reality people would just bust out of the jail, kill the constable, and take their stuff back or they could just kill the constable when he tries to arrest them. reg
10:20 PM
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Originally posted by Tarhen:
In reality people would just bust out of the jail, kill the constable, and take their stuff back or they could just kill the constable when he tries to arrest them.

Speaking from personal experience I take it.
reg

10:36 PM
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Originally posted by Tarhen:
Get real, Gemstone isn't about roleplay anymore, its about money, if you think anything else then you need help. A change like your suggesting would make simu LOSE money. But, besides all that, the constable system is totally unrealistic. In reality people would just bust out of the jail, kill the constable, and take their stuff back or they could just kill the constable when he tries to arrest them.


With comments such as this one, no wonder Gemstone is no longer a roleplaying game.


[This message has been edited by Mallagra (edited 02-20-2002).] reg

01:26 AMOne thing I can think of is to get rid of the timer for the fine, and just up the actual fines more.

The thing I'm always afraid will happen is I'll got to jail, then my ISP will crap out on me and cost me everything. Another thing they could do to help prevent this if they insist on keeping the real time timer is make you show that you're not idle when they take you to court. Something like this...

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Judge says, "Your fine is 50000 silvers. You have one hour to pay this. Do you understand?"

***TYPE ANSWER YES WITHIN 30 SECONDS OR YOU WILL BE TAKEN BACK TO JAIL***

>answer yes

Judge says, "Very well. You have one hour to pay your fine as of now. Now stay outta trouble!"

Judge smacks his gavel.

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Of course there's always the possibility of your ISP crapping out before you can pay the fine then, but it's a lot better than ghosting, getting arrested while ghosted, then logging back in later completely naked eh?

Personally though, I'd rather see it be an in-game timer like it used to be. If some people abuse that, so be it. There are more important things that more people abuse everyday that could use GM attention. reg

05:31 AM
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CrystalTears posted:
You wouldn't be allowed to receive silver or notes from other players..

I think thats ridiculous, if you get arrested in rea life, and you need bail money(which that right there pretty much is) you do have the option of calling friends, family or anny one you know to come pay it for you, they dont say, no youre friend Jacob here cant pay youre bail fee.

-John

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06:45 AM
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Originally posted by GOD:
I think thats ridiculous, if you get arrested in rea life, and you need bail money(which that right there pretty much is) you do have the option of calling friends, family or anny one you know to come pay it for you, they dont say, no youre friend Jacob here cant pay youre bail fee.

-John

True, but this isn't real life, this is Elanthia, where the average citizen has over 100k in silvers in the bank and at least 500k silver in equipment. They don't need anyone's help. reg

07:29 AMBout 5 or 6 weeks ago I got arrested. Was a 50k fine. Thing is, I had just bought over 13mil in items and had bout 19k in the bank. Should I have had to sacrifice the almost 8mil in stuff I had on me, for a 50k fine? Everyone needs help sometimes.

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I got no dukes. reg

12:19 PMShould have thought about that before you got yourself arrested. ::ducks:: reg
11:36 PM
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Originally posted by Fralcon:
Bout 5 or 6 weeks ago I got arrested. Was a 50k fine. Thing is, I had just bought over 13mil in items and had bout 19k in the bank. Should I have had to sacrifice the almost 8mil in stuff I had on me, for a 50k fine? Everyone needs help sometimes.


Well one response from me would be that that is the risk you take when you leave yourself so cash poor when buying high price items.

I know I have passed on some items that i "could" have afforded but would have left me with a quite low cash position.

Fines start out low as I recall and increase with each fine? Well then there shouldn't be a real problem or need for a huge cushion unless you are a repeat offender. And if you are...then you have yourself only to blame.

reg

11:40 AMI do agree that you should not lose the items you spent millions upon millions to get. I do feel though that some harsh punishment should be dealt if you do specific crimes. In other MUD's like GS3 they have a HELL system. Where you are basically placed in a room called Hell with a little demon imp there to keep you company. You're not able to kill yourself and the little demon imp force feeds you bread and water to keep you alive. While I don't think this should be placed in GS3, most players who are placed in Hell are kept in there for 24 to 72 hours (Real Time). I don't think it's a bad idea to keep someone in jail for a couple hours after they murder someone to make them think about what happened and maybe cool the situation down, the upside to that would be to do away with the fines period. reg
12:47 PMI would love to have an IC judicial system. I think it would be even better to make the criminal WAIT until the justice panel can be convened before being sentenced. Oh, wait, you have to be logged in for sentencing? Oh darn. Sucks to be you. Would be even funnier if they have messengers who run around, with a "Your friends and neighbors have selected YOU to be on the jury" letter! This would enforce jail time in game while these people get rounded up. In addition, after sentencing, that time can be real time like a 24 hour lockout, etc for first offenses. And if you don't like it and want to cancel, hmm...Somehow, I just don't see you contributing to the community, so no big loss in my view.

And I don't see anything wrong in getting help paying your fines. I don't see a need to do away with them all together tho. Any way to suck a few coins out of the system is a good one in my opinion.

Aerienne reg