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Originally posted by Solkern:
Ok, recently I got hacked, and lost 6m in coins...I wrote to lockout, they said they caught who did it, and they would not benefit fro this, they also said they would not return the coins, becuase the security of the account, is the account holders problem, my question is, if they know who took my money, caught him, instead of just removing it totally, why dont they just give me the money back and make everyone happy?
your thougths on this?
Um, just a guess but, could it be because you have a tendency to share your password and account with other people? And seeing that, they don't really consider it much of a hacking, as much as you not taking your account security seriously?
*~*~* Wysteria
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Good thing Simu isn't in charge of airport security. reg
Yeah, else someone would high-jack a plane and run it into buildings thus killing 3000+ people. Good thing.
rht reg
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Originally posted by Solkern:
Yes I do admit I share my account BUT, the ISp that they found connected to my account, wasnt the same as the others, it was linked to a whole new account, but that's not my question, they KNOW who took the money, they got hte money, why can't they simply hand it back, and make eveyone happy?
I'd say probably to teach ya a lesson. Someone got into your account, you said you let others use it. So that means yer not keeping it tight. One of them other people could of given yer password or something. Thing is, cause you share your account, you used up GM time tracking it all down and fixing yer problem. So seems to me they aren't gonna give you your silvers back as a lesson to keep yer password to yourself so they don't have to go through that BS again.
Snook reg
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quote:
Originally posted by Solkern:
Yes I do admit I share my account
There's your problem. If they're not certain you're the only one who uses the account, then you'll get no help.
Sorry, but you brought it on yourself. reg
I'm sorry to say I agree with the policy, if no one shared passwords I'm sure the vast percentage of so called "hackings" would never happen.
I am sorry about the fact that you were stolen from.
I'ts a valuable lesson, just a painful way to learn it. reg
2:I remember reading somewhere, i think in (or about) EverQuest, a person wrote something real snippy about it not being hacking when you give out your login information, anymore then it being 'suicide' if the guy you're shooting manages to put his hand on the gun before you pull the trigger... No wait, that wasn't right.... Oh well, insert some other quote here...
3:Keep yer account stuff hidden, No one has ever touched, driven, played, tested, spelled up with, or logged into Urgoyle except ME... (well, until he was sold recently, heh) In fact, it's rare to find someone these days who trains [their] character to do things other guilds can do, when they could just buy another character and multiplay.
[Edited for a typo, the perfectionist that i am]
4:Rehash of 3, but still... Do I think it safe for anyone to have anyone else's account info, ever?.... No... But i've had friends who have let me use theirs, and normally, for showing me such trust, i'll go fry their character, put a gem or something neat on them, or leave a surprise, you know, something like that. But these people were never allowed to use me, and only one person asked, but accepted when i declined. I _TELL_ these people to be careful about who gets their info, even to change it and not tell me.
5:Continuation of 4, but still.. It's not that your friend WILL do something.... It's that they _CAN_ do something. If i wanted to log you in, type 'sym mana' and 'infuse 50' until you were out of deeds, and mana (assuming you're in voln, COLers take a lil more skill to 'kill quietly'... afterall, if you're trying to deed someone, you don't want anyone stopping you right? right), climb the tree in tsc, jump 'til you die, and then depart before anyone knows what happened?.... It can happen. Remember this before you give anyone your account info, realize 'Everything i've done could be snuffed out like a candle because of this person, do i trust him/her that much?... Can i visit them in person if they f--- something up?' and so on and so forth....
The point of my post? I forgot, that's what happens when you ramble constantly. But i'm bored and at work, have pity on me instead.
-'goyles are fluttery!
[This message has been edited by Urgoyle (edited 03-01-2002).] reg
Here is how it works.
It all depends on who you are.
Look at Speaker. He didn't share his account info and got hacked. They only returned a few of his items. They didn't want to give him back his 200m item though and didn't. In the end. They told be happy with what we gave you back. He also didn't have any friends on the staff to help him out.
Other people have got hacked and got everything returned. This is because of who their friends are. Hell Melissa restored a character gone demonic in Plat. Simutronics also restored Blades when he went demonic on purpose. Just who you know.
Most get told to shove off. We don't care.
Now here is the problem with this. By not doing anything about hacking they are allowing it. Is it not your civil duty as a business to do something about a crime? They just don't in most cases. That in itself is a crime. But nobody ever pushes this issue with the company.
What do you do? It's more hassle then it's worth really. Because the FBI is the people that would have to deal with the internet crimes and they don't go after the small ones. Plus, it's Simutronics property. Takes many, many hours of investigation to catch a internet thief.
My advice. If you know who did it. Find out where he lives. Then one day in the future surprise him. I did this to someone in Florida that stole a bunch of stuff from me. Amazing how people treat you different in person. Amazing how he coughed up the cash too.
Before you say violence never solves anything. Your full of it. People avoid violent people with a passion. You think twice before scamming a violent person.
edge
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Detriot what? reg
quote:
Originally posted by edge:
This is a touchy subject.Here is how it works.
It all depends on who you are.
Look at Speaker. He didn't share his account info and got hacked. They only returned a few of his items. They didn't want to give him back his 200m item though and didn't.
Did he have any proof he owned the item?
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Before you say violence never solves anything. Your full of it. People avoid violent people with a passion. You think twice before scamming a violent person.
Heh. Edge, your example only works if you never run into someone who can fight back. I'm pretty certain that if you had attacked this guy, you'd be the one in jail with assault charges against you, no matter what it was he took.
reg
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Originally posted by Taernath:
Did he have any proof he owned the item?
yeah he had his diamond registered and everything, why the hell would you think his 200m item wouoldnt be registered?
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Detriot what? reg
quote:
Originally posted by edge:
This is a touchy subject....
My advice. If you know who did it. Find out where he lives. Then one day in the future surprise him. I did this to someone in Florida that stole a bunch of stuff from me. Amazing how people treat you different in person. Amazing how he coughed up the cash too.Before you say violence never solves anything. Your full of it. People avoid violent people with a passion. You think twice before scamming a violent person.
edge
You must be kiding.
What is this?
"Meet me after school behind the gym or else!" or something?
What are we in grade school?
Only someone with the mentality of Mike Tyson thinks to deal with every problem with his fists, or teeth.
Come on, deal with it in an adult manner please.
reg
First you confront them nicely. Amazing what they will do when you are face to face with them. What would I have done when I wasn't paid? Flat tires, broken window? Pay someone a 100 bucks to hurt them? Hurt him myself? Hit him in the head when nobody is looking? My word against his. Amazing what you can do without getting involved.
Don't be stupid thinking I am going to kick in a door and enter a house beating everyones ass. Amazing when you hit someone with a baseball bat. Doesn't matter how big they are. It hurts!
Sorry, not the PC thing to say. But true.
Amazing how brave people are behind PC screens. I had a few saying they was going to kick my ass at the last Simucon. One was bigger then me. None of them wanted a fight. Maybe because I look forward to to them. Makes me feel alive. Still looking forward to meeting Donomyn though. Got a few things I will tell him to his face and he is bigger then me.
<<You must be kiding.
What is this?
"Meet me after school behind the gym or else!" or something?
What are we in grade school?
Only someone with the mentality of Mike Tyson thinks to deal with every problem with his fists, or teeth.
Come on, deal with it in an adult manner please.>>
You must be kidding me. Insulting me is not childish act?
Yes, nobody wants to mess with Tyson...RIGHT! I think nobody is going to steal from Tyson. Would you?
How would you deal with someone stealing from you?
Darn, I got robbed. Let me bend over and take it up the...
Ya, real adult. Stealing such an adult thing to do! Slap him on his hand and let him have it with no fight! ya ya ya!
Bend over! Take it! I said! Take it!
How stupid. My way at least gets some results. Yours is the passive way. Someone that lets people rob them without a fight deserves it.
Get real, nobody would want to steal from Tyson. If they did, they are insane.
I love to listen to people that are scared to stand up for themselves in real life.
edge
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I got no dukes. reg
quote:
Originally posted by edge:
You must be kidding me. Insulting me is not childish act?Yes, nobody wants to mess with Tyson...RIGHT! I think nobody is going to steal from Tyson. Would you?
How would you deal with someone stealing from you?
Darn, I got robbed. Let me bend over and take it up the...
Ya, real adult. Stealing such an adult thing to do! Slap him on his hand and let him have it with no fight! ya ya ya!
Bend over! Take it! I said! Take it!
How stupid. My way at least gets some results. Yours is the passive way. Someone that lets people rob them without a fight deserves it.
Get real, nobody would want to steal from Tyson. If they did, they are insane.
I love to listen to people that are scared to stand up for themselves in real life.
edge
Hmmm So..not feeling the need to roll around in the mud is synonymous with being scared. Well thanks for clarifying where you are coming from, nice to have such a simplistic view on life I guess.
Mike Tyson spent how long in jail again? Oh and if you don't think Mr. Tyson has been stolen from all his life you are quite ignorant of his life story.
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Detriot what? reg
Yes, simple things are the best things in life. Honesty. Family. Love. Honor. Some of those simple things in life that you seem to not have a grasp on.
Someone hurts my son. If the system didn't do something about it. I would. Seen John Q yet? I bet you would let your kid die in the situation. I will not give my life for my son!
I will take the simple things over compicated things any day of the week.
edge reg
I have an account. I gave my husband the password to my account for whatever reason. My best friend got laid off from work and had to close her Gemstone account for financial reasons. I transfer her character to my account so she can play from time to time when I'm not on. Now there was this human piece of trash not too long ago running around with some kind of program that allowed him to hack into people's computers some how. Let's say I'm not too computer savvy, and this guy hacks into my comp. I never gave him my password, nor did my husband, nor did my best friend. Now just because they have my password, I guess it's okay that he hacks into my account, steals my silvers, weapons, coins, etc. NO. That's the biggest load of horse**** ever. Granted it's true that if you're the sort who runs around giving their password to every Tom, Dick and Harry you're bound to get burnt sooner or later and I'll agree at that point you need to learn a lesson. But to say "Anyone who doesn't keep their passwords exclusively to themselves is not eligible for any assistance from Simutronics" is not only unfair but pretty unlogical. I mean hell even CREDIT CARD COMPANIES and BANKS have special provisions that a spouse or child of the account holder can have access to their accounts yet still provide some sort of assistance in the event of some outside fraudulent activity. I don't see why we as PAYING customers of Simutronics customers don't have that kind of help/service available to us. We aren't subject to quality customer service though we pay for their product, yet we are susceptible to all kinds of price increases. Sounds like bad business to me. reg
Credit card companies take into account authorized signatures and spending habits. When you log into the game, there is no verification of who is logging in. Just that someone knew the ID and password.
Is hacking really such a huge problem around here that Simu needs to invest time and energy into taking security measures? Was just wondering. reg
Just like a spending habits. This is logon habits.
edge
[This message has been edited by edge (edited 03-02-2002).] reg
My experience (from what I've seen) is that when they [Simu] really *want* to find out information, they have means to do it. Example, the whole Gemstone Freaks website. They were able to find out who made that website, and the site wasn't through Simutronics or anything, it was through Geocities, a complete "outsider" so to speak--yet they can't figure out if someone who shouldn't be is using an account belonging to them? That doesn't make sense. reg
quote:
Originally posted by Weedmage Princess:
Agreed Edge.My experience (from what I've seen) is that when they [Simu] really *want* to find out information, they have means to do it. Example, the whole Gemstone Freaks website. They were able to find out who made that website, and the site wasn't through Simutronics or anything, it was through Geocities, a complete "outsider" so to speak--yet they can't figure out if someone who shouldn't be is using an account belonging to them? That doesn't make sense.
Sure it makes sense. People go on vacations all the time, or go off to college, or change ISPs, or logon at a friend's house or at work or at school. There is NO way to tell that the person behind the screen is or is not the actual account holder.
I live in Connecticut. When I visit my family in Florida I use my dad's computer and ISP to log online. We have different ISPs, different types of services, different credit cards, and different last names. There is NO way anyone would ever know it was me, *and* no way anyone would know it *wasn't* me. There's just no way to know one way or another.
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There is no way to track that with Gemstone accounts because you're not sending any authorization signature or something to verfiy that it's you. reg
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I got no dukes. reg
But your Gemstone account you use much more then a Credit Card. So when something is stolen if they are quick about it. They can track the items down easy enough.
How do I know this?
Welp. Sukara(thank that is the name) left her morphing wand in a cloak I altered for a friend. I gave the cloak to him. He moved it to the character he wanted it on. They tracked it from every character that had the cloak and asked them where the wand was. Amazing. But they say they can't do that.
But bottom line. The CC companies want happy customers and they write off the losses.
Simutronics doesn't care unless it's them or their friends.
edge
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Before anyone had ever heard of my characters, when I started playing GemStoneIII, I lost some stuff that I had placed on the ground just before the game crashed. I didn't know squat about registering items, and it the Thrak Warrior existed back then, I never knew about it.
Zulkata returned 3 of the items I had lost, one of which was a store-bought vultite weapon (people just didn't HAVE highly ET'ed stuff back then!). The other two things were fluff, and I had to accept the loss on everything else.
The person I was with when he lost his stuff was SOL - he didn't get anything back. When I asked about it, I was told (by a different GM) that the other person had "issues" in the past, and his record proved that he wasn't trustworthy.
Did they play favorites by giving me back stuff and the other person got the shaft? Absolutely not. The other person had a history of trouble, and I didn't. The other person proved to staff that he was capable of lying, I had no such history and so they were able to give me the benefit of the doubt that first time.
Subsequent situations with staff showed them that while I sometimes got into trouble, I never *EVER* lied about anything, and so if I lost something of value due to a system problem, my claim was more likely to be believed than some other people.
No, it isn't favoritism. It's whether or not the person in question has proven their own integrity.
I felt bad for the person who didn't get his stuff back, but I understood that the staff *usually* only has the word of the player to go by, and a person's word is either gold or coal, with little room for in-betweens.
As for hacking, it is just TOO easy to *claim* that you were hacked, and there's no way to really prove it. You could've given the password to a buddy who got mad at you and trashed your character. I've seen what can happen when husbands and wives share accounts and they get into a fight. I've seen what little brothers can do when big sister lets them use the account to check out the game. You might be able to prove that someone else used the account, but you can't prove that you didn't give them the password.
I'd rather see the staff spend their time improving the game, and less time playing babysitter with the "he said she said" kiddies.
R
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quote:
Originally posted by Solkern:
Ummm no favortism? umm explain this, I know a Gm that gave a friend of mine 6 alters after the crowed has left and you say theres no favortism? thats funny some of the items were banned, not allowed in gemstone and to TOp it off, one of the other people that got hooked up to just happened to be a GH also?....not mentionign any names, but favortism is around
Where in my post did you see me mention that there is no favorism? Or have you just decided to interpret my words and change the meaning of my post to suit your need to make some sort of point?
I never said there's no favoritism. I said that the situations I laid out had nothing to do with favoritism.
I'm very aware that there is favoritism with staff, and that's one of the many reasons why I don't play GS anymore. But that doesn't negate the issue: that the staff has better things to do with their time than to track down every tom dick and harry who is supposedly hacking the account of someone who ADMITS to giving out their password.
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Case in point: You have a premium account because you want a greater opportunity to GET alters. Someone you know has a basic account, and a GM pal of theirs makes alters for them. You are paying for an opportunity that someone who is NOT paying for is getting. I have a problem with that, and I agree with anyone else who has a problem with that.
There's another side to favoritism that most folks don't have to worry about. Trying to improve the game by volunteering to work for it - and being turned down because the GM in charge of the program you're volunteering for is friends with a player who doesn't like you. I can speak on that from personal experience. Favoritism can have a very significant adverse affect on the game. It also undermines any semblance of integrity.
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Come on now. Bouncing back and forth on the side you want to take a stand for.
Do as I say, not as I do?
SHHHShhsh.
edge reg
I just don't think favoritism is THE biggest deal about what's wrong with GS, out of the pile of things I think that are wrong. I only think it's ONE of them.
Good grief people, read what I'm writing, not what you want to interpret!
reg
The players are just as much responsible for the integrity of the game as the GMs, since GMs should set the tone of how one should play and behave.
I've never been upset with this game over what the GMs do. It doesn't surprise me, since this started out as friends putting together a game for other friends, just like most MUDs start off. GMs are here because they want to be, and have no real incentive to do anything by the book. The worst that would happen is they get fired. They don't lose benefits (as in REAL ones), they don't lose a salary, pension, yearly vacation, or 401k rolloever. So it wouldn't phase me if they wanted to do favors for others, or simply deny things to people they don't like.
How the players have been behaving is what has been bothering me within the last few years. reg
quote:
Originally posted by CrystalTears:
I wonder if he meant me, since I'm the one who said "who cares", although I never mentioned anything about game integrity.
heh you have before, and you contradicted what you said before about it, hmmmmm reg
I would never want to be a GM for this game because many of the players are just TOO demanding and full of complaints. Many of the changes that have occurred have been because people post and protest about something they didn't like to see happen to *their* character, rather than see it from the big picture, or adjusting to the game rather than making the game adjust to you, as in making many spells player friendly, or taking away area effect traps on boxes, for instance.
The danger and intrigue this game used to have has gone to the wind because everyone wants to feel safe all the time. Hand in hand with having to now assist/report when someone is getting out of hand, instead of dealing with it ourselves the way it's always been.
Heh, have no idea what this has to do with the topic. Sorry I rambled. That's what happens when you post and haven't had dinner yet. ::grins::
Besides, I haven't taken sides of anything. This game has alot of problems, and the integrity problem lies with both the GMs and the players. GMs do whatever the hell they want, players do whatever they hell they want. People like me try to distance ourselves from that until we can't anymore and then leave.
Which is why I really don't give a squat about who is running what, who controls who or what, what anyone does in the middle of the night, or who with. Its not my business.
It's probably why my boyfriend insists that I stop reading any and all boards connecting with the game because it's bringing in issues that have nothing to do with the game, or dwelling on things that aren't that necessary to bitch over.
It's a game. It's more than a game in some aspects with me because I met my boyfriend because of it, so there's a certain element of loyalty to it, but when push comes to shove, it's a game and I'll move onto something else if need be because it's not worth any of the headache, heartache or tears.
[This message has been edited by CrystalTears (edited 03-03-2002).] reg
Ever here a complaint about Tigermist?
People try and make it sound like we just blindly for no reason have these issues. We fabricate them out of thin air. That is false.
Favoritism isn't consistancy which everyone agrees is the problem with the game and company.
Most people have to spend hours to catch a merchant. Hope they get picked and sit there. When some people have the inside info and know they are getting one before anyone else.
Who cares? Me and 100s of other people that play the game.
edge
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The BBB of St. Louis is very helpful, the large group, if ever formed couple probably work with them to accomplish just about anything. Especially if you hold 100 or so accounts. Boom there goes 1k a month, 12k a year... Considering there are only about... 600-800 people logged in game anymore? That's a large chunk. Kroger's doesn't have a union so they can socialize, they do it so they get more. I don't see any reason why it wouldn't work here.
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Before anyone had ever heard of my characters, when I started playing GemStoneIII, I lost some stuff that I had placed on the ground just before the game crashed. I didn't know squat about registering items, and it the Thrak Warrior existed back then, I never knew about it.
Zulkata returned 3 of the items I had lost, one of which was a store-bought vultite weapon (people just didn't HAVE highly ET'ed stuff back then!). The other two things were fluff, and I had to accept the loss on everything else.
The person I was with when he lost his stuff was SOL - he didn't get anything back. When I asked about it, I was told (by a different GM) that the other person had "issues" in the past, and his record proved that he wasn't trustworthy.
Did they play favorites by giving me back stuff and the other person got the shaft? Absolutely not. The other person had a history of trouble, and I didn't. The other person proved to staff that he was capable of lying, I had no such history and so they were able to give me the benefit of the doubt that first time.
Subsequent situations with staff showed them that while I sometimes got into trouble, I never *EVER* lied about anything, and so if I lost something of value due to a system problem, my claim was more likely to be believed than some other people.
No, it isn't favoritism. It's whether or not the person in question has proven their own integrity.
Ok i have to say something to this one. I recently lost a shield and falchion on plane 5 in the rift. I got cursed, dropped them and died. I watched as a soul picked up my falchion and a vaespillion picked up my shield and walked off with them. I immediately had Omni and Wulfguy come to 5 to help find the items. Omni retrieved the falchion no problem but the shield was never found, i never logged off so the plane didn't reset..they walked around on that plane for over an hour looking and killing. No one other then myself was on the plane when this happened. Zurrainn/Tsin/Manodith/Skarletbegonias showed up to "help" find it. No love lost between us i can tell you. He's a sorcerer and was running all over the plane. Omni walks into a room and noticed Zurrainn imploding a soul. Zurrainn says that since the falchion was found, he was just imploding souls, not vaespillions. Anyway...The GM looks around and says..we don't have it. It's not in the janitor. Either picked up or imploded, they are not sure. I have never been in trouble with the GM's, i have never asked for anything to be replaced. The shield was registered to me. I have never bad-mouthed GM's. I did ask that they please replace my shield, it was an alter i did 3 years ago. They will not replace it. I can literally buy dozens of 8x shields. I'm not out to upset game balance. I just wanted mine back. Request denied. So i say why not? Apparently a clean record is worth nothing.
Summir
[This message has been edited by Summir (edited 03-04-2002).] reg
quote:
Zurrainn/Tsin/Manodith/Skarletbegonias showed up to "help" find it. No love lost
between us i can tell you. He's a sorcerer and was running all over the plane. Omni
walks into a room and noticed Zurrainn imploding a soul. Zurrainn says that since the falchion was found, he was just imploding souls, not vaespillions. Anyway...The GM
looks around and says..we don't have it. It's not in the janitor. Either picked up or imploded, they are not sure.
Sounds like you've got your answer right there. A vaesp probably got killed, dropped the falchion, a soul picked it up, Zurrainn imploded it, and the falchion went poof. And since you've said yourself that there's no love lost between you and he, chances are he wasn't gonna tell you about it.
It seems a perfectly reasonable in-character loss, which means that the GMs aren't gonna give it back.
R
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quote:
Originally posted by Summir:Ok i have to say something to this one. I recently lost a shield and falchion on plane 5 in the rift. I got cursed, dropped them and died. I watched as a soul picked up my falchion and a vaespillion picked up my shield and walked off with them. I immediately had Omni and Wulfguy come to 5 to help find the items. Omni retrieved the falchion no problem but the shield was never found, i never logged off so the plane didn't reset..they walked around on that plane for over an hour looking and killing. No one other then myself was on the plane when this happened. Zurrainn/Tsin/Manodith/Skarletbegonias showed up to "help" find it. No love lost between us i can tell you. He's a sorcerer and was running all over the plane. Omni walks into a room and noticed Zurrainn imploding a soul. Zurrainn says that since the falchion was found, he was just imploding souls, not vaespillions. Anyway...The GM looks around and says..we don't have it. It's not in the janitor. Either picked up or imploded, they are not sure. I have never been in trouble with the GM's, i have never asked for anything to be replaced. The shield was registered to me. I have never bad-mouthed GM's. I did ask that they please replace my shield, it was an alter i did 3 years ago. They will not replace it. I can literally buy dozens of 8x shields. I'm not out to upset game balance. I just wanted mine back. Request denied. So i say why not? Apparently a clean record is worth nothing.
Summir
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I'm sorry you lost your item Summir but is that not one of the risks of the Rift?
I thought it was an inherent part of the Rift, one of the things that made it the worthy hunting ground of those in the upper levels of hunting.
I remember the discusions about the new areas opening that had creatures that would search dead adventurers. The not pleasant but simple to enact solution is to use less costly/ easily replacable equipment instead of the precious/costly ones used normally.
Not fun for many i'm sure but at least _a_ solution to prevent future losses.
reg
Tsin had a acid trap hit him in the face and destroy his altered helm. They replaced that. Go figure.
No consistancy.
I don't know what happened. But something smells fishy to me.
edge reg
Tsin is not Manodith, and including Manodith in as someone who "destroyed" an item on purpose is just plain silly.
I assisted 2 times, and spoke 2 times with a GM about the issues involving Manodith and there is nothing in the rules Manodith was breaking.
He never had that shield on his person, nor any character on his account.
Buckwheet reg
I was not implying that Manodith did anything, i never know what to call Tsin/Zurrainn/Manodith/Skarletbegonias because he, the majority of the time has them all on at once. He makes no secret of it and everyone in the rift knows that. So i refer to all of them. Just to clarify.
Summir
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BTW FYI: his original character was Recoil.
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They will not replace it. I can literally buy dozens of 8x shields. I'm not out to upset game balance. I just wanted mine back. Request denied. So i say why not? Apparently a clean record is worth nothing.
Summir, what is funny to me is that you attribute your loss to the lack of GM help. To, in essence, bad customer service. However, did you take any time to think that maybe the loss of the item might have more to do with someone else... someone who might been part of your fabled search party?
The GMs are bound by rules (me... to a lesser degree), they can't tell you if someone else took off with it and is hiding that fact from you, it's part of the game. Believe me, they DO know.
I'm breaking the rules just by telling you as much as I have, so lets just say its all (not so)hypothetical. <smiles>
I know that the GMs are frustrated by these types of circumstances. But its a conflict between two (or more) players. Its within the scope of the game, of the rules. We cannot, and should not intervene. And the GMs can't even hint at whats really going on because it might be a dead give-away.
David
[This message has been edited by Bardon (edited 03-04-2002).] reg
LOL, not gonna mention names because... IT NEVER HAPPENED!
Just another lie or rumor someone made up to make themselves feel big or important in front of you. IF it did happen and you were so concerned, you would have told Llearyn, so you could get that GM in trouble, eh?
But maybe it also like what someone else was saying... could you be jealous and wish you were the GM's friend instead?
I'm sure if a GM was making stuff for friends, it would get them in trouble and the friends will get in trouble too. If this fictional GM did what you said they did, I guess they'll get fired too.
I'm sure it happens, but not so blatantly and openly.
Spreading stuff you don't know firsthand has a nice way of blowing up in your face... how do you know your friend got these things the way he said he did? Were you there? Did you see the GM make them? Could he be ::gasp:: lying? Might he have bought them from someone else and passed them off as alterations?
Have you always been so gullible, Solken?
*~*~* Wysteria reg
quote:
Originally posted by Wysteria:
[b]how do you know your friend got these things the way he said he did? Were you there? Did you see the GM make them? Could he be ::gasp:: lying? Might he have bought them from someone else and passed them off as alterations?Have you always been so gullible, Solken?
*~*~* Wysteria
::GASP:: Could it be that you don't know everything? How do you know it didn't happen? Were you there? Did you ever think people might not know who to tell? ::GASP::
No, that couldn't be, GM's never do anything they're not supposed to, nope, never happens.
::B****SLAP::
Too early to be this irritated...
D reg
Seriously Wysteria...
What is up your fingernail?
Defending Simutronics is very charming in the beginning, but I think it can be accomplished without putting the intelligence down of everyone with a valid opinion.
It might be hard for you, but maybe you could give it a shot.
reg
A few years ago, I was IMed from a friend to go wait in a fairly remote location cause a merchant was going to be setting up there in 13 minutes. Sure enough, right on time - the merchant rolled in, and I walked in and joined the list to get some work done.
I later asked my friend how he knew - he said one of his friends was the GM running the merchant.
He knew the merchant's name, where it was being set up, etc.
My 2 cents. reg
Does anyone remember the first large invasion where Lost Souls and other nasty things were running around? I belive this was also the debut of Sheer Fear.
I remember walking out the north gate and seeing some of the oldest people in the game feared on their knees drooling and dropping shields and weapons. Then you had the idiots that would come in and steal these items, or they were imploding and items where being sucked up, but not very many people knew this was happening becuase alot of people didn't even know they had dropped their shield or their weapon.
I don't think many items were replaced because either the janitor got them, they were imploded, or someone stole them. I remember several people being furious that the GM's wouldn't replace their items, but the GM's attributed it to leaving something on the ground and while there is no offical rule against someone picking up something on the group, there is the unofficial rule that says if you see stuff on the ground its polite to ask first.
I in turn have had several items taken by Shan and by Skeli Lords while I am hunting. I usually have a friend or two with and I get out my trusty extra weapon and we go looking for the creature. On several occasions we haven't found it.
I think personally it "might" have something to do with creature ghosting. I don't know if this is true in the rift, but I have noticed it on several occasions while hunting.
I see a creature in a room while I am killing something else, as soon as I kill the first creature I run off to find the next one, only it is nowhere to be found. I run around and I don't see any other players in the area, and usually the places that I hunt at that time of the day there is nobody there. So where did the creature go?
Thats a good question one I don't have an answer for.
Everyone gets mad and upset when they loose items. It even bothers me to see that people loose items and they have to sit and wonder if it is still around of if its gone forever.
I think this is just one of those cases where you just have to move on.
Buckwheet reg
And that's all i have to say about that.
Summir reg
quote:
Originally posted by Buckwheet:I think personally it "might" have something to do with creature ghosting. I don't know if this is true in the rift, but I have noticed it on several occasions while hunting.
I see a creature in a room while I am killing something else, as soon as I kill the first creature I run off to find the next one, only it is nowhere to be found. I run around and I don't see any other players in the area, and usually the places that I hunt at that time of the day there is nobody there. So where did the creature go?
Thats a good question one I don't have an answer for.
The game periodically deletes critters to free up system resources if they're not 'attached' to a player and and are in an empty room. You see it a lot with critters that run or swarm, such as wolfshades and thraks.
reg
[The Rift]
A mass of pulsing and twitching tissue sits to the west. At first, the booming that rolls through the air sounds like thunder, but a moment of listening proves it to be too regular and rhythmic to be a storm. Thump-thump... thump-thump.... All at once the source comes to you, and as you gaze at the tissue you realize it is a giant heart. Grey-green worms chew through the flesh, and listening to the beating it becomes obvious that they are killing the heart, and whatever creature it belongs to. You also see a scorched black ball & chain, a vaespilon, a vaespilon and a lost soul.
Also in the room: a stunned High Lord Jenovadeath who is lying down
Obvious exits: north, south, east, northwest, southwest.
Summir and Omnirus followed.
>
A vaespilon draws an ancient sigil in the air.
A vaespilon points a skeletal finger at Jenovadeath!
CS: +640 - TD: +558 + CvA: +13 + d100: +9 - -5 == +109
Warding failed!
Jenovadeath suddenly looks very uncomfortable!
>pre 410
cast
Your disk arrives, following you dutifully.
Tha-thump.
You concentrate on the Elemental Wave spell...
Your spell is ready.
>You gesture.
[Spell Hindrance for some svelte black elven brigandine is 8% with current Armor Use skill, d100= 1]
Your armor prevents the spell from working correctly.
>
Omnirus gestures and utters a phrase of magic.
Omnirus gestures at a vaespilon.
CS: +645 - TD: +519 + CvA: +15 + d100: +88 == +229
Warding failed!
Its eyes cloud over, becoming a milky blue.
>pre 410
cast
You concentrate on the Elemental Wave spell...
Your spell is ready.
>You gesture.
A wave of dark ethereal ripples moves outward from you.
A vaespilon is buffeted by the dark ethereal waves and is knocked to the ground.
A vaespilon is buffeted by the dark ethereal waves and is knocked to the ground.
Jenovadeath is buffeted by the dark ethereal waves.
Cast Roundtime 3 Seconds.
>
A lost soul swings a scorched black ball & chain at Omnirus!
AS: +564 vs DS: +805 with AvD: +19 + d100 roll: +21 = -201
A clean miss.
>
Summir gestures and utters a phrase of magic.
>
Jenovadeath moans uncontrollably with a terrible urge to scratch!
A vaespilon and Jenovadeath appear to be in a violent mental struggle!
Jenovadeath seems to be trying to dodge something!
CS: +640 - TD: +526 + CvA: +13 + d100: +5 - -5 == +137
Warding failed!
Jenovadeath is engulfed in an eerie, dark haze!
He flinches in pain!
... 50 points of damage!
Hand struck hard! Pain causes Jenovadeath to wobble dizzily before falling.
>
Summir gestures at Jenovadeath.
Jenovadeath is able to move again.
The glazed look leaves Jenovadeath.
>pre 917
cast va
search va
You concentrate on the Boil Earth spell...
Your spell is ready.
You gesture at a vaespilon.
The ground beneath a vaespilon begins to boil violently!
Fiery debris explodes from the ground!
... 25 points of damage!
... 50 points of damage!
Left leg burned off at the knee. Ouch.
... 45 points of damage!
Blaze chars a vaespilon's left arm. What's left is unusable.
The vaespilon's black shield falls to the ground.
The ground then quickly cools.
Cast Roundtime 3 Seconds.
Geez! It's still alive! Not a good time for that.
>pre 917
cast va
search va
Wait 1 sec.
>You don't have a spell prepared!
Geez! It's still alive! Not a good time for that.
>pre 917
cast va
search va
You concentrate on the Boil Earth spell...
Your spell is ready.
>You gesture at a vaespilon.
The ground beneath a vaespilon begins to boil violently!
Fiery debris explodes from the ground!
... 40 points of damage!
Hard blow to right hand breaking bones!
... 60 points of damage!
... 50 points of damage!
The vaespilon wails in terrifying pain one last time and lies still.
The deep blue glow leaves a vaespilon.
The bright luminescence fades from around a vaespilon.
The powerful look leaves a vaespilon.
The tingling sensation and sense of security leaves a vaespilon.
The wall of force disappears from around a vaespilon.
The vaespilon regains its sight and focus.
The ground then quickly cools.
Cast Roundtime 3 Seconds.
You search the vaespilon.
You discard the vaespilon's useless equipment.
It had 126 silvers on it.
You gather the remaining 126 coins.
It had nothing else of value.
All the malice and magic that once held the vaespilon together dissipates, leaving nothing but a husk which crumbles to dust.
>
Tha-thump.
>
Summir says, "better run"
>
* The death cry of Jenovadeath echoes in your mind!
>pre 917
cast va
search va
Jenovadeath scratches himself uncontrollably!
Jenovadeath drops his longsword!
Jenovadeath drops his shield!
A vaespilon and Jenovadeath appear to be in a violent mental struggle!
Jenovadeath seems to be trying to dodge something!
CS: +640 - TD: +576 + CvA: +13 + d100: +85 - -5 == +167
Warding failed!
Jenovadeath is engulfed in an eerie, dark haze!
He flinches in pain!
... 55 points of damage!
Neck strike throws Jenovadeath, snapping his neck in the process.
* Jenovadeath drops dead at your feet!
The tingling sensation and sense of security leaves Jenovadeath.
The air calms down around Jenovadeath.
The wall of force disappears from around Jenovadeath.
The deep blue glow leaves Jenovadeath.
The bright luminescence fades from around Jenovadeath.
The very powerful look leaves Jenovadeath.
The white light leaves Jenovadeath.
Jenovadeath glances around, looking a bit less confident.
The brilliant luminescence fades from around Jenovadeath.
The silvery luminescence fades from around Jenovadeath.
The powerful look leaves Jenovadeath.
The light blue glow leaves Jenovadeath.
A lost soul drops her black ball & chain and snatches up a malevolent, bile-green onyx and veniom-hilted longsword splattered with the blood of gremlin-slayers!
>You concentrate on the Boil Earth spell...
Your spell is ready.
You gesture at a vaespilon.
[Spell Hindrance for some svelte black elven brigandine is 8% with current Armor Use skill, d100= 3]
Your armor prevents the spell from working correctly.
Geez! It's still alive! Not a good time for that.
>pre 917
cast va
search va
You concentrate on the Boil Earth spell...
Your spell is ready.
>You gesture at a vaespilon.
The ground beneath a vaespilon begins to boil violently!
A vaespilon dodges out of the way!
The ground then quickly cools.
Cast Roundtime 3 Seconds.
Geez! It's still alive! Not a good time for that.
>pre 917
cast va
search va
A vaespilon slowly rises to her feet.
>Sorry, you may only type ahead 1 command.
>
Summir gestures and utters a phrase of magic.
Summir gestures at a vaespilon.
CS: +608 - TD: +524 + CvA: +15 + d100: +26 == +125
Warding failed!
Its eyes cloud over, becoming a milky blue.
You concentrate on the Boil Earth spell...
Your spell is ready.
>
You gesture at a vaespilon.
The ground beneath a vaespilon begins to boil violently!
Fiery debris explodes from the ground!
... 20 points of damage!
Light strike to chest.
... 25 points of damage!
Burst of flames to right leg blackens kneecap.
The ground then quickly cools.
Cast Roundtime 3 Seconds.
>pre 410
cast
Wait 1 sec.
Tha-thum.
>You don't have a spell prepared!
Summir gestures and utters a phrase of magic.
>pre 410
cast
You concentrate on the Elemental Wave spell...
Your spell is ready.
>You gesture.
A wave of dark ethereal ripples moves outward from you.
A vaespilon is buffeted by the dark ethereal waves and is knocked to the ground.
Cast Roundtime 3 Seconds.
>
You hear the ghostly voice of Jenovadeath say, "Grr."
>
Your senses are assaulted by a tormented wail as a vaespilon drags herself in!
A lost soul drops her black shield and snatches up a delicate snakeskin shield!
>pre 917
cast va
search va
Wait 1 sec.
>You don't have a spell prepared!
Geez! It's still alive! Not a good time for that.
>
Summir gestures at Jenovadeath.
A luminescent web briefly forms around Jenovadeath, then fades into the body.
>pre 410
cast
You concentrate on the Elemental Wave spell...
Your spell is ready.
You gesture.
A wave of dark ethereal ripples moves outward from you.
A vaespilon is buffeted by the dark ethereal waves and is knocked to the ground.
Cast Roundtime 3 Seconds.
>pre 917
cast va
search va
Wait 1 sec.
>You don't have a spell prepared!
Geez! It's still alive! Not a good time for that.
>pre 917
cast va
search va
Summir gestures and utters a phrase of magic.
Summir gestures at a lost soul.
CS: +608 - TD: +496 + CvA: +15 + d100: +69 == +196
Warding failed!
A lost soul freezes suddenly and begins to shake uncontrollably!
Summir searches a lost soul.
The tingling sensation and sense of security leaves a lost soul.
A lost soul fades into oblivion.
You concentrate on the Boil Earth spell...
Your spell is ready.
>You gesture at a vaespilon.
The ground beneath a vaespilon begins to boil violently!
Fiery debris explodes from the ground!
... 30 points of damage!
Good blow to chest!
The vaespilon is stunned!
... 50 points of damage!
Skin and some muscle burnt off chest.
The ground then quickly cools.
Cast Roundtime 3 Seconds.
You hear the ghostly voice of Jenovadeath say, "Watch the weapon and shield..."
Geez! It's still alive! Not a good time for that.
>
Tha-thump.
>
Summir slings a gold-inlaid shield engraved with the image of an owl over her shoulder.
>
Suddenly you have the strangest feeling that you are being watched.
The feeling fades as quickly as it came.
>pre 917
cast va
search va
The vaespilon fumbles about aimlessly!
Sorry, you may only type ahead 1 command.
>You concentrate on the Boil Earth spell...
Your spell is ready.
You gesture at a vaespilon.
[Spell Hindrance for some svelte black elven brigandine is 8% with current Armor Use skill, d100= 3]
Your armor prevents the spell from working correctly.
Summir picks up a delicate snakeskin shield.
>pre 917
cast va
search va
You concentrate on the Boil Earth spell...
Your spell is ready.
>You gesture at a vaespilon.
[Spell Hindrance for some svelte black elven brigandine is 8% with current Armor Use skill, d100= 4]
Your armor prevents the spell from working correctly.
Geez! It's still alive! Not a good time for that.
>pre 917
cast va
search va
You concentrate on the Boil Earth spell...
Your spell is ready.
You gesture at a vaespilon.
[Spell Hindrance for some svelte black elven brigandine is 8% with current Armor Use skill, d100= 7]
Your armor prevents the spell from working correctly.
Geez! It's still alive! Not a good time for that.
>pre 917
cast va
search va
You concentrate on the Boil Earth spell...
Your spell is ready.
>You gesture at a vaespilon.
The ground beneath a vaespilon begins to boil violently!
Fiery debris explodes from the ground!
... 25 points of damage!
Nice blow to left leg!
... 30 points of damage!
Nasty burns to right arm. Gonna need lots of butter.
... 50 points of damage!
... 40 points of damage!
Fire burns through neck and destroys carotid artery. Painfully bloody way to die.
The vaespilon wails in terrifying pain one last time and lies still.
The deep blue glow leaves a vaespilon.
The bright luminescence fades from around a vaespilon.
The powerful look leaves a vaespilon.
The tingling sensation and sense of security leaves a vaespilon.
The wall of force disappears from around a vaespilon.
The ground then quickly cools.
Cast Roundtime 3 Seconds.
You search the vaespilon.
You discard the vaespilon's useless equipment.
It had 259 silvers on it.
You gather the remaining 259 coins.
It had nothing else of value.
All the malice and magic that once held the vaespilon together dissipates, leaving nothing but a husk which crumbles to dust.
>pre 917
cast va
search va
Wait 1 sec.
>You don't have a spell prepared!
Geez! It's still alive! Not a good time for that.
>pre 917
cast va
search va
You concentrate on the Boil Earth spell...
Your spell is ready.
>You gesture at a vaespilon.
The ground beneath a vaespilon begins to boil violently!
Fiery debris explodes from the ground!
... 15 points of damage!
Blow grazes right leg.
... 25 points of damage!
Burst of flames char chest a crispy black.
... 50 points of damage!
The lower half of a vaespilon's right leg is almost completely burned away.
The ground then quickly cools.
Cast Roundtime 3 Seconds.
Geez! It's still alive! Not a good time for that.
>
Tha-thump.
>l
[The Rift]
A mass of pulsing and twitching tissue sits to the west. At first, the booming that rolls through the air sounds like thunder, but a moment of listening proves it to be too regular and rhythmic to be a storm. Thump-thump... thump-thump.... All at once the source comes to you, and as you gaze at the tissue you realize it is a giant heart. Grey-green worms chew through the flesh, and listening to the beating it becomes obvious that they are killing the heart, and whatever creature it belongs to. You also see a malevolent, bile-green onyx and veniom-hilted longsword splattered with the blood of gremlin-slayers, a shimmering black shield, a scorched black ball & chain, the Edgeleaf disk and a vaespilon that appears stunned.
Also in the room: Omnirus, High Lady Summir, the body of High Lord Jenovadeath who is lying down
Obvious exits: north, south, east, northwest, southwest.
>pre 917
cast va
search va
You concentrate on the Boil Earth spell...
Your spell is ready.
>You gesture at a vaespilon.
The ground beneath a vaespilon begins to boil violently!
Fiery debris explodes from the ground!
... 15 points of damage!
Brushing blow to temple.
... 35 points of damage!
Flames incinerate left leg to the bone. Not a pleasant sight.
... 40 points of damage!
Extreme heat causes a vaespilon's left leg to expand and snap. That must hurt!
... 30 points of damage!
The vaespilon wails in terrifying pain one last time and lies still.
The deep blue glow leaves a vaespilon.
The silvery luminescence fades from around a vaespilon.
The powerful look leaves a vaespilon.
The light blue glow leaves a vaespilon.
The tingling sensation and sense of security leaves a vaespilon.
The wall of force disappears from around a vaespilon.
The vaespilon regains its sight and focus.
The ground then quickly cools.
Cast Roundtime 3 Seconds.
You search the vaespilon.
You discard the vaespilon's useless equipment.
It had 22 silvers on it.
You gather the remaining 22 coins.
It had nothing else of value.
All the malice and magic that once held the vaespilon together dissipates, leaving nothing but a husk which crumbles to dust.
>l
[The Rift]
A mass of pulsing and twitching tissue sits to the west. At first, the booming that rolls through the air sounds like thunder, but a moment of listening proves it to be too regular and rhythmic to be a storm. Thump-thump... thump-thump.... All at once the source comes to you, and as you gaze at the tissue you realize it is a giant heart. Grey-green worms chew through the flesh, and listening to the beating it becomes obvious that they are killing the heart, and whatever creature it belongs to. You also see a malevolent, bile-green onyx and veniom-hilted longsword splattered with the blood of gremlin-slayers, a shimmering black shield, a scorched black ball & chain and the Edgeleaf disk.
Also in the room: Omnirus, High Lady Summir, the body of High Lord Jenovadeath who is lying down
Obvious exits: north, south, east, northwest, southwest.
>
Tha-thump.
>put my crowbill in my sat
You put a rusted invar crowbill in your components satchel.
>get long
put long in my cloak
You pick up a malevolent, bile-green onyx and veniom-hilted longsword splattered with the blood of gremlin-slayers.
>You put a malevolent, bile-green onyx and veniom-hilted longsword splattered with the blood of gremlin-slayers in your silver-threaded cloak.
>get shi
put shi in my cloak
The black shield crumples and decays away.
>You put a brass-plated shield engraved with the image of a snowcat in your silver-threaded cloak.
>l
[The Rift]
A mass of pulsing and twitching tissue sits to the west. At first, the booming that rolls through the air sounds like thunder, but a moment of listening proves it to be too regular and rhythmic to be a storm. Thump-thump... thump-thump.... All at once the source comes to you, and as you gaze at the tissue you realize it is a giant heart. Grey-green worms chew through the flesh, and listening to the beating it becomes obvious that they are killing the heart, and whatever creature it belongs to. You also see a scorched black ball & chain and the Edgeleaf disk.
Also in the room: Omnirus, High Lady Summir, the body of High Lord Jenovadeath who is lying down
Obvious exits: north, south, east, northwest, southwest.
>
Tha-thump.
>kic chain
I could not find what you were referring to.
>
A vaespilon drags herself in!
>pre 917
cast va
search va
Sorry, you may only type ahead 1 command.
You concentrate on the Boil Earth spell...
Your spell is ready.
You gesture at a vaespilon.
[Spell Hindrance for some svelte black elven brigandine is 8% with current Armor Use skill, d100= 7]
Your armor prevents the spell from working correctly.
>pre 917
cast va
search va
You concentrate on the Boil Earth spell...
Your spell is ready.
Summir gestures and utters a phrase of magic.
>Summir gestures at a vaespilon.
CS: +608 - TD: +534 + CvA: +15 + d100: +27 == +116
Warding failed!
Its eyes cloud over, becoming a milky blue.
>
You gesture at a vaespilon.
The ground beneath a vaespilon begins to boil violently!
Fiery debris explodes from the ground!
... 25 points of damage!
Nice blow to right arm!
... 25 points of damage!
Burst of flames to right leg blackens kneecap.
A vaespilon falls to the ground.
... 35 points of damage!
The ground then quickly cools.
Cast Roundtime 3 Seconds.
Geez! It's still alive! Not a good time for that.
>pre 917
cast va
search va
You concentrate on the Boil Earth spell...
Your spell is ready.
>You gesture at a vaespilon.
The ground beneath a vaespilon begins to boil violently!
Fiery debris explodes from the ground!
... 25 points of damage!
Nice blow to right arm!
... 25 points of damage!
Burst of flames to right leg blackens kneecap.
... 25 points of damage!
Burst of flames to back fries shoulder blades. Youch!
The ground then quickly cools.
Cast Roundtime 3 Seconds.
Geez! It's still alive! Not a good time for that.
>
Tha-thump.
>pre 917
cast va
search va
Sorry, you may only type ahead 1 command.
You concentrate on the Boil Earth spell...
Your spell is ready.
>You gesture at a vaespilon.
The ground beneath a vaespilon begins to boil violently!
Fiery debris explodes from the ground!
... 30 points of damage!
Good blow to back!
... 50 points of damage!
The vaespilon wails in terrifying pain one last time and lies still.
The deep blue glow leaves a vaespilon.
The silvery luminescence fades from around a vaespilon.
The bright luminescence fades from around a vaespilon.
The light blue glow leaves a vaespilon.
The powerful look leaves a vaespilon.
The tingling sensation and sense of security leaves a vaespilon.
The wall of force disappears from around a vaespilon.
A vaespilon glances around, looking a bit less confident.
The vaespilon regains its sight and focus.
The ground then quickly cools.
Cast Roundtime 3 Seconds.
>search va
Summir asks, "have herbs?"
>
You search the vaespilon.
You discard the vaespilon's useless equipment.
It didn't carry any silver.
It had a small pink pearl on it!
You pick up a small pink pearl.
It had nothing else of value.
All the malice and magic that once held the vaespilon together dissipates, leaving nothing but a husk which crumbles to dust.
>
Summir peers quizzically at Jenovadeath.
>put my crowbill in my sat
I could not find what you were referring to.
>get pear
put pear in my sack
You already have that.
>You put a small pink pearl in your elven leather sack.
>get my crowbill in my sat
You remove a rusted invar crowbill from in your components satchel.
>
Suddenly you have the strangest feeling that you are being watched.
The feeling fades as quickly as it came.
>sign of thought
Tha-thump.
>
Your hypnotic gesture makes your mind receptive to the thoughts of others. You feel their distant, comforting presence.
>l
[The Rift]
A mass of pulsing and twitching tissue sits to the west. At first, the booming that rolls through the air sounds like thunder, but a moment of listening proves it to be too regular and rhythmic to be a storm. Thump-thump... thump-thump.... All at once the source comes to you, and as you gaze at the tissue you realize it is a giant heart. Grey-green worms chew through the flesh, and listening to the beating it becomes obvious that they are killing the heart, and whatever creature it belongs to. You also see a scorched black ball & chain and the Edgeleaf disk.
Also in the room: Omnirus, High Lady Summir, the body of High Lord Jenovadeath who is lying down
Obvious exits: north, south, east, northwest, southwest.
---------------------------
So I guess since I picked up the longsword and Summir picked up the shield. They are ours. That is a load of crap and everyone knows that.
Stealing is stealing. Glad you promote that crap.
edge reg
Summir
[This message has been edited by Summir (edited 03-05-2002).] reg
I mean...Yes no one will say its a nice thing to do but if you know you are going somewhere where the possibility of droppage is a reality and not a surprise I don't see how anyone can be upset with the rules.
If someone is a scumbucket and steals the items of someone else I hope you find out who and make such deeds known to all. I for one would be the first in line to ostracize them but I also don't love pickpockts and will remember anyone who pickpockets my charachters if I actually do see them.
Losing a favorite item hurts no two ways around it but I think if you take a step back you will see it is simply another risk in such areas and one we must prepare for just as we must prepare for any other hazard as best we can. reg
Sorry, but you hunt in a place with risks you accept them and not everyone is a nice person. You also can't complain about GM not policing players when in another situation you complain about them policing players. I'm no fan of Simu at all which is why I quit GS years ago but in this instance, there's no case.
Ravenstorm
Note: the above 'you's are meant in general and do not refer to any specific person unless the shoe fits perfectly. 
reg
'lood
"stealing is wrong lord tommy, now go sit in the corner, and when you've thought good and hard about what you've done, you can go to lady sara's house and apologize..."
reg
edge reg
Mike reg
So is killing people or even causing them bodily harm, which infact is a million times worse than stealing...
It does however occur in GS, and for good reason... it's a game.
- Lord Kranar, human Archwizard reg
quote:
Originally posted by Summir:
Actually i have moved on. In fact i didn't post it at all or complain here about it. I only told my story because someone mentioned in another post that if your integrity was good, your items would be returned, basically. I was just making a point that your record actually has nothing to do it at all. Mine is totally clean. I believe it's all in who you know, suck up to and the mood of the particular GM you are lucky or unlucky enough to get. Inconsistancy is a major issue here all the time. Favortism is out there. I know it, you know it and Simutronics knows it. My shield is gone, can i do anything about it? No. Are they going to do something about it? No. Am i going to learn from it? Absolutely.And that's all i have to say about that.
Summir
Okay, I guess my original post was to vague. I was trying to hint at the situation, but that didn't seem to register. I should know by now.
Your item was taken by someone else. You know the character who has it and they are purposefully deceiving you.
(Not sure that can be made any clearer)
This is why the GMs could do nothing about it. Nor are they allowed to even hint at what happened. I'm breaking that rule, this time, to make a point and help you better understand what is going on.
The GMs know who has it. As I understand it, they've even spoken with the individual on your behalf (but unbeknownst to you) but they cannot interfere with this in-game situation if the person wishes not to return the item or reveal their posession of the item to you.
By the rule the GMs are required to play by, a clean or not clean record has no bearing on this type a situation. Therefore the example you use to support your premise is in error.
-- David
[This message has been edited by Bardon (edited 03-06-2002).] reg
Perhaps a "send" from a GM saying no, it isn't a bug, there's nothing wrong with the system to cause your item to be gone - and then leave it up to the players to figure it out, or not figure it out.
But because of the mentality (or lack thereof) of the general player base, GMs end up bearing the brunt because the players have no appreciation of ROLEPLAY in a ROLEPLAYING game.
R
reg
This is why I don't let ANYONE, even people that are "supposedly" my friends touch any of my gear. There's just way too many fakes and flakes that play this game. I've been screwed more than once by close friends, which is why I don't even trust those that are supposedly my friends.
If they don't live down the street, even if I do know them in real life, they're not touchin nada.
- Pudgee reg
Mike reg
Actually I agree with you more than you might think. As you can see with the recent roll-out of DragonRealms: The Fallen, we're experimenting with returning to some of our roots in this regard. Obviously I cannot make any bold announcements here, but it is an issue in transition.
-- David
reg
quote:
Originally posted by Desharei:
I live in Connecticut.
R
Get it away! Get it away!
reg
quote:
Originally posted by Bardon:
The GMs are bound by rules (me... to a lesser degree)
C'mon, didja really 'spect people to believe that? As the CEO, is there any rule you have to listen to? Heh...
Be thankful Bardon isn't so addicted to his game(s), that sometimes he sits behind a screen creating characters of 150 trains or so every day, and then figuring out how he could 'have some fun' with em.
I was a higher immort on a mud once... It was FUN screwing around with people's fatigue and stuff while invis and snooping on them. The overlord of the place came in drunk a couple times <usually around saint patrick's day> and did a 'slay all' from which it was almost impossible to recover.
Imagine if someone high up at simu coded a 'reduce spirit health of everything living to 0' command, then hit it right around peak time.
Moral of the post might be 'you get what you pay for'... Since you kind of are paying for the stability. You will log in tomorrow, your items will be there, your character will be there. (More or less)... Have fun while you're here, because if it ever is not fun, the long hunt to find a suitable replacement is just that...... LONG.
-goyle, who looked for 3 years once, before finding it.... in -another- simu product no less :P reg
-- David
reg
And for a brief reply... It's good to lead by example, but has the urge ever hit you? Ever take command of the king lord invasion critter sometime or something?...
We as players sometimes go and tell our friends about exploits in this place. I even have friends eager to get a computer so they can try 'em. What do you tell -YOUR- friends?... 'I could grind a universe to dust with a click, yet do not'?...
-goyle.... Wondering if Bardon ever DMed when he was a kid :P reg
For many years I did the hard-core GMing and most of the customer service stuff. I was the *worst* customer service guy. Got in constant pissing matches with players.
Back then it was liek $6/hr to play. $35/hr to play during the day time! Not my fault... that's what GEnie charged.
I had a command in the game, /NUKE which would set of a thermonucular explosion and kill everyone at once. I used it all the time.
Of course back then, everyone kinda know everyone and it was fun. They don't let me get near the commands much anymore!
-- David
reg
Not feasible.
And, the same is true of a credit card company. If allow someone to use it, they will *not* help you if that person does anything you didn't expect. Claim it was a 3rd party who offed with your CC, you gotta go file a police report too. These barriers keep the faud on their end down to a manageable level.
Run a company that has to deal with those issues, and you'd understand where the line has to be drawn very quickly.
By the way, yes there was a guy who put out piece of software to (seemingly) access our games more easily/quickly/whatever. A fair number of players were wooed and downloaded the little miracle app.
But when you typed in your user name and password it would happily mail that information to this guy. He went around trashing a lot of accounts/characters from people who fell for this ploy.
He doesn't do this anymore, instead he set up his own "alternative to GemStone" game that I'm sure many of you are familiar with. He must be laughing his butt off at people who expect him to safeguard their characters, accounts and (heaven forbid he ever gets a merchant account) credit card numbers.
A lot of our rules are built around safeguards. We've been in business going on 14 years. All our employees are bonded. We've are maticulous with security about your CC#s (unlike a lot of dot coms). And we have been attacked many times by hackers trying. Effective security is expensive, and it never gets cheaper... its an arms race.
You have to do your part by keeping your user name and password SECRET.
-- David
[This message has been edited by Bardon (edited 03-07-2002).] reg
quote:
You have to do your part by keeping your user name and password SECRET.-- David
The problem with this is that the user names are posted whenever you use (not read) the BBS, unless you are suggesting that everyone come over here to the PC rather than using the Official Boards....
Which I wouldn't complain about 
The secret password is a given...
Aerienne reg
Same is true of picking strong passwords to begin with. Most people don't.
-- David
reg
Now everyone knows now what he did. I should have never let him buy his stuff back then. But I give people to many chances.
LordEdgeleaf: Why didd you take Summirs shield?
BubbaUno: to get even
LordEdgeleaf: I want it returned
BubbaUno: it's 10x
BubbaUno: i gave it away
LordEdgeleaf: Then you owe her coins
BubbaUno: you both owe me coins
BubbaUno: you took my damage stuff
LordEdgeleaf: No I dont
BubbaUno: i owed you 22m
BubbaUno: that armor was worth 50
LordEdgeleaf: You want to go there?
BubbaUno: at least
LordEdgeleaf: You scammed me
BubbaUno: i didn't make a single dime off Summir's shield.. i took it to make a point
BubbaUno: I gave it away
BubbaUno: and it's 10x now
BubbaUno: up to my friend if he wants to give it back
LordEdgeleaf: Who has it?
BubbaUno: the gods know
BubbaUno: if they want to tell her that's up to them
BubbaUno: they have approached him
LordEdgeleaf: you know, we are going to have major problems
LordEdgeleaf: You know I can get you make 10 fold
BubbaUno: i didn't make anythign from it
BubbaUno: it wasn't for money
BubbaUno: you made enough from me
BubbaUno: i don't want to be like you guys
LordEdgeleaf: I made nothing on you
LordEdgeleaf: you scammed me ouit of 22m
BubbaUno: and you made over 50m from me
LordEdgeleaf: Sold me 2x damage padded leatehrs for 20m that was suppose to be crit
BubbaUno: I could have easily sold that breastplate for 60m
BubbaUno: and gave you 22m
LordEdgeleaf: I sold you back you stuff for what I paid nad you know that
BubbaUno: that was an accident on the leathers
BubbaUno: and you know that
BubbaUno: not the plate
BubbaUno: the breastplate
BubbaUno: the 8x heavy damage
BubbaUno: that you took
LordEdgeleaf: No I didn't take it
LordEdgeleaf: I paid for it
BubbaUno: bah
LordEdgeleaf: But nice try and making up a lie
BubbaUno: who did you pay?
BubbaUno: because it was mine..
LordEdgeleaf: everyone knows what I paid for everything
BubbaUno: and I didn't get any money
LordEdgeleaf: Now you are trying to justify stealing stuff
LordEdgeleaf: I had to buy those items to pressure you into paying me back the 20m you scammed oiut of me
LordEdgeleaf: You know that
LordEdgeleaf: Dont worry tsin
BubbaUno: the plate you bought
BubbaUno: that is why I bought it back from you
BubbaUno: the breastplate is another story
LordEdgeleaf: I boiught the shield, plate and the breastplate
BubbaUno: but did you have any right too?
LordEdgeleaf: I got extored out of 12m over the breastplate value
LordEdgeleaf: Yes I did
BubbaUno: so you still made over 40 from me on it
BubbaUno: at least
LordEdgeleaf: Did you have any right to scam me out of 20m?
LordEdgeleaf: I didn't make anything
BubbaUno: that was not on purpose.. the leathers
LordEdgeleaf: I sold you it for what I paid for it when I could have made lots more
LordEdgeleaf: You know that
BubbaUno: well I gave the shield away the second I took it
LordEdgeleaf: Now you are trying to justify stealing from Summir
BubbaUno: my friend has it now and enchanted it to 10x
LordEdgeleaf: No yoiu didn't give it away
BubbaUno: yes I did
BubbaUno: swear to god
BubbaUno: ask the gods
BubbaUno: it wasn't for the money
LordEdgeleaf: I think you are getting enough of a bad record to justify a banning soon
BubbaUno: i gave it away for nothing.. my friend took it up to 10x
LordEdgeleaf: You have been reported for scamming, now stealing
BubbaUno: what goes around comes around..
LordEdgeleaf: I went out of my way to help you ouit
BubbaUno: you guys put me back in the stone age
LordEdgeleaf: Exactly
BubbaUno: by taking away everything
LordEdgeleaf: Well Bubba, you are a thief
LordEdgeleaf: Hope you never go to a Simucon
BubbaUno: did you think I was just going to forget you guys stealing from me?
BubbaUno: losing all that money?
LordEdgeleaf: I didn't steal anything
LordEdgeleaf: You know that
BubbaUno: oh.. you just happened to come out with 3 of my best items
BubbaUno: and paid like 30m for them all
LordEdgeleaf: I bought all those items with my coins then sold them back to you for what I paid
LordEdgeleaf: I paid more then 30m
LordEdgeleaf: I paid 22m for the weapon
LordEdgeleaf: 16m for the shield
LordEdgeleaf: 50m for the plate
LordEdgeleaf: that is 102m bud
BubbaUno: we will continue this in an hour.. i have to go to class
LordEdgeleaf: But nice try at making up a lie
I hope this weasle goes to Simucon. I got a few things to say to this person.
Everyone knows I am a honest merchant. I don't steal or scam. How can he try and say I stole or scammed?
Now this person has been reported several times for scamming. Reported for so many things. Now he is going to be reported for stealing.
What can we do about this?
Sorry for all the typos, extremely pissed and ready to punch the PC screen..
edge
[This message has been edited by edge (edited 03-07-2002).] reg
Tsin Blatantly stole the shield just because he was bitter over getting caught
Vivid reg
Caught in a lie right there. Everyone knows you can't enchant right now. reg
-- David>>
>/NUKE
I don't understand what you typed.
<snap> reg
Theft of an item is, by GS3 policy, consent to PvP. So you can take action. If someone is stealing from you they better be willing to pay the consequences.
-- David
reg
So I will take up the fight against them.
Woohoo! Full rain to kill and kill and kill again. Deeding time till I get my shield back for my babe!
edge reg
Summir..the simple minded one. reg
I do remember talking to him one day about how he scammed 22m from a wizard, he told me himself on AIM. I didn't know anything about it at the time but it sure rings a bell now. reg
Yeah that was me and edge he scammed. And edge was way to fair to him. We did eventually recover our silver, and edge was even nice enough get his items back to him for what we paid for them. I think this is why edge is so angry this time, because he cut him slack..told everyone to leave him alone and now he pulls something like this. Unbelievable. And the beat goes on. How many scams/thefts/complaints will it take to get rid of this guy?
Summir reg
I can honestly say I have been on both ends of the stick in this particular situation. I gained and lost (mostly lost...to the tune of around 200 mill) but thats another story.
I think theres a deeper issue here that alot of people have overlooked. In places like the rift or the tower. The most essential practice in existence in these areas is teamwork and an adhock comradeship. Most of the people in these areas will pull together when someone is down, dead, hurt, lost or in trouble in some way.
Tsin/Zurrainn/Manodith and whoever the F*** else he might be...has corrupted that basic principle. And the sad thing is..he is but one of many people like that in the lands. He endangers anyone around him. By simply not caring.
His motivation was coins? Vengence? So what? I cant even begin to recount how many deals Ive been done dirty on in the past 8 and a half years. The fun part is RPing the payback. But people like him corrupt the system. Cause distrust. That right there is more important (and more sad) than the loss of any damn shield that can be replaced in a month or less.
Think on that.
~Q
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Here endeth the lesson... reg
That is about the most ludicrious thing i have ever heard. Zurrainn/Tsin is the most non-roleplaying person i have ever met in this game. Try again.
Summir reg
quote:
Originally posted by Bardon:
Oh, one other thing that was brought to my attention....Theft of an item is, by GS3 policy, consent to PvP. So you can take action. If someone is stealing from you they better be willing to pay the consequences.
-- David
Hot DAMN! When are we getting a version of "The Fallen?" <grins evilly>
reg
quote:
Originally posted by TheSorc:
Zurrainn has NEVER given any consent to any p vs p action. Edgeleaf is about as dishonest as they come in the world today. IM's can be altered just as easily as any other document, and they have no bearing. The fact that they are accusing Zurrainn of theft, is because he is an easy target, and they can't accept being on the other end of thievery. He has threatened to demonic Zurrainn, which is extremely immature. Zurrainn is here to role play, just as anyone else is, and has no intent to fight or be involved in any conflicts. Any attack or abusive manner will be ignored, and reported immediately.
Mmmmk. Im gonna go out on a limb and say that uhhhhhh. This person doesn't really know Mike very well. And for this one person to accuse Edge of being a liar is a statement worth laughing at. For his one accusation, I bet there are at least 25 others that would back him up 100%. Get over it.
reg
quote:
Originally posted by Rhain:Seriously Wysteria...
What is up your fingernail?
Defending Simutronics is very charming in the beginning, but I think it can
be accomplished without putting the intelligence down of everyone with a
valid opinion.It might be hard for you, but maybe you could give it a shot.
All I have to say to that is, how very much like the pot calling the kettle black, yes? You seem to have taken -plenty- of shots at people without uttering valid
opinions.
I did offer a valid opinion without questioning his intelligence, it just happens to be one you don't like. All I wondered about was his naivete or willingness to believe what someone told him happened. You're the one, Ginger, who brought his intelligence into it, not me.
My questions were not only valid, so was my opinion about what he posted. Take a shot at -reading- my posts next time, Ginger, I'm sure you can do it, rather than just reacting to whatever is up your fingernail... like coming down on those people who don't think Simutronics and its staff aren't the devil incarnate.
*~*~*
Wysteria reg
quote:
Originally posted by Wysteria:
All I have to say to that is, how very much like the pot calling the kettle black, yes? You seem to have taken -plenty- of shots at people without uttering valid
opinions.I did offer a valid opinion without questioning his intelligence, it just happens to be one you don't like. All I wondered about was his naivete or willingness to believe what someone told him happened. You're the one, Ginger, who brought his intelligence into it, not me.
My questions were not only valid, so was my opinion about what he posted. Take a shot at -reading- my posts next time, Ginger, I'm sure you can do it, rather than just reacting to whatever is up your fingernail... like coming down on those people who don't think Simutronics and its staff aren't the devil incarnate.
*~*~*
Wysteria
Cat fight Cat fight!!! Mmerrrorrwwworrr!
:: ucks behind Methais and slips the cat nip into his pocket when he isnt looking:::
~Q
reg
Does anyone else see a contradiction in this sentence? 1. The fact that they are ACCUSING Zurrainn of theft, is because he is an easy target. 2. they can't accept being on the other end of thievery.
He says we are accusing him and that's unfounded then admits it was stealing. Not the brightest crayon in the box eh Zurrainn. And pay attention, you stoled from me and according to GS policy that is consenting to PvP. So report away.
Summir
reg
In this case, the baby has stamped his foot after his candy being taken away.
How boring and lame it must be, sitting around watching the black Gemstone screen with absolutely no friends to talk to.
-Zentalin
reg
I don't want to have to actually get back to "work" on these boards. I have had a few months off and I am loving it!
So just watch your P's and Q's and keep the flames as tall as the shortest person here.
Buckwheet reg
quote:
Originally posted by TheSorc:
Zurrainn has NEVER given any consent to any p vs p action. Edgeleaf is about as dishonest as they come in the world today. IM's can be altered just as easily as any other document, and they have no bearing. The fact that they are accusing Zurrainn of theft, is because he is an easy target, and they can't accept being on the other end of thievery. He has threatened to demonic Zurrainn, which is extremely immature. Zurrainn is here to role play, just as anyone else is, and has no intent to fight or be involved in any conflicts. Any attack or abusive manner will be ignored, and reported immediately.
Well, I dissagree with Edge about as much as anyone but I've never known him to lie about something like you are claiming.
Jump to conclusions? Sure.
Trust the wrong people? Been there.
Be ready to assume that there are conspiracies against him? Most definitely.
BUT... Just make up something altogether? Not likely.
Tsin et al just be prepared to deal with the fact that your reputation took a hit.
Stealing IS a part of the game but its a dangerous one so if you want to play it be ready to deal with the consequences.
You can take care of this in game in an IC manner and could actually end up earning some of that respect back, or could try to squirm out via report and such.
Looks like the ball is in your court. reg
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I got no dukes. reg
Anyway, the whole point of this was to show that appearances can be deceiving when it comes to customer service. The thing to keep in mind is that this is a game. And when you think of us as a typical "business" you are going to run into surprises. Because unlike, say, GE who has to deal with irate 'fridge owners… what we do or not to/for one customer can have a big impact on one or more other customers because they are in this common, highly-interactive and competitive world (that being the service we provide).
This is a great example. The GMs did go out of their way to help you. They just could not tell you what they did. Ultimately it didn't help any, but it wasn't a lack of caring or trying. It was a conflict between two customers that was within the scope of the game rules. We run into this all the time. And, for the GMS, is frustrating to be called unresponsive when in fact they are.
-- David
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[This message has been edited by Bardon (edited 03-07-2002).] reg
I am a straight shooter. I don't steal or scam. Everyone knows this. That is why people trust me so much. Even the staff know this.
But to steal something I made special for Summir to use. That pisses me off. I will be coming to collect some deeds Sat. if he will not return it by then.
Even people I fight with know I am not a liar so that post must have been from Tsin\Zurrain.
We made a agreement he would return it. Sat. is the deadline I told him.
I am actually hoping he doesn't return it. I havn't had a good war for a long time. Getting implosion rods made as I speak.
Also, I am contacting the real Zurrain and letting him know I am going to be killing him on sight unless this shield is returned. But Tsin says he owns him, but we know how much we can trust him.
Also on another note. People been reporting him for trying to get people to give him access to their accounts. He refuses them healing and stuff like that to try and make them give him access. I will give names of who if they give me permission. Summir brought that to my attention and was one of the reasons she reported him.
edge
[This message has been edited by edge (edited 03-08-2002).] reg
:: ucks behind Methais and slips the cat nip into his pocket when he isnt looking:::
~Q>>
Bah, why me? <flail> reg
Have a great day!
~Mageman23 reg
As for Edge, I've never heard him lie. I don't always agree with his opinion, be he always tells it like it is.
Hope you get your shield back Summir.
Aerienne reg
Xak and Celeros?
I didn't know he's Tsin and all those guys. Well if so, he just recently took back Delryn by guessing someone's security question...
- Pudgee reg
quote:
Originally posted by Pudgee:
>>This isn't the first time BubbaUno has scammed something... He hacked an account a couple years back, it's actually how he got his start into all of this. He was Zak back then and has continued to change bodies ever since. I don't remember the empaths name, but the people who originally hung out at the thrak inn trophy room might be able to shed a little more light on that one. It's been too long for me to remember.Xak and Celeros?
I didn't know he's Tsin and all those guys. Well if so, he just recently took back Delryn by guessing someone's security question...
- Pudgee
He's had a lot of different characters, he buys, sells, scams, does whatever he can do make a buck. I wish I would have put two and two together when he IM'd me that day awhile back...
On a different note, To whomever said Edge was a liar or a scammer or anything but honest is a complete moron. I've done business with him and he has been nothing but honest in any deal that we've made.
So nice try to whomever tried to ruin his name, everyone knows that Edgeleaf is a good honest guy, just very passionate about some things. And there's nothing wrong with that.
[This message has been edited by Dustin Brookthorn (edited 03-08-2002).] reg
quote:
Originally posted by Wysteria:
[b]I'm sure if a GM was making stuff for friends, it would get them in trouble and the friends will get in trouble too.Spreading stuff you don't know firsthand has a nice way of blowing up in your face...
This sort of favoritism does happen. It happened with myself over the course of the years that I played Gemstone. Some of the items I received but not limited to were.
An call familiar item that never loses charge.
A wizard shield item that never loses charge.
A haste II item that never loses charge.
An 8x permablessed item
Various GM's have made items for their spouses/significant other. It has happened, it has been known about.
GM's have even made overly powerful items for their characters and then later on (extended time usually) turned around and sold them.
Favoritism, unbalancing? Yup?
Witnessed it...no I've experienced it.
reg
quote:
Originally posted by TheSorc:I repeat, violence is not the answer in a case like this, use your head.[/B]
I'm not taking sides here. You say that violence isn't the answer and maybe it isn't. Can you offer alternative solutions to the problem? reg
quote:
Zurrainn will not fight p vs p, because he has not done anything in game to induce such behavior.
Not done anything in game to induce this behavior, would mean he is totally innocent. But you disprove this with the next statement...
quote:
Zurrainn does not have the shield, but someone else has it for safe keeping. There is no way in hell Zurrainn is going to give the shield back if Edgeleaf or Summir go about this in an immature manner.
So Zurrainn had the shield, but gave it to someone else, and yet, HE is the one who would apparently give the shield back if he chose to, thereby making him the guilty culprit of stealing the shield. He is maintaining control, dispite the lack of shield in hand.
quote:
I think that if you were actually smart, you would think things through.
Hmm...I think it is you who has not thought things through.
quote:
For ever FAIR deal you receive, he is screwing over 3 others who you don't even know about. He has for as long as I can remember, and I have plenty of folks who agree with me.
quote:
They will not get you anywhere except lack of respect. I repeat, violence is not the answer in a case like this, use your head.
Aerienne
reg
quote:
Originally posted by TheSorc:
To respond to Edgeleaf's threats, Zurrainn will not fight p vs p, because he has not done anything in game to induce such behavior. As Bardon says, Zurrainn does not have the shield, but someone else has it for safe keeping. There is no way in hell Zurrainn is going to give the shield back if Edgeleaf or Summir go about this in an immature manner. I think that if you were actually smart, you would think things through. All of you who claim that Edgeleaf has been truthful in the past with your deals, he is blinding you all. For ever FAIR deal you receive, he is screwing over 3 others who you don't even know about. He has for as long as I can remember, and I have plenty of folks who agree with me. So if you think you are all big and bad, making death threats against Zurrainn.. They will not get you anywhere except lack of respect. I repeat, violence is not the answer in a case like this, use your head.
On the other hand edge, this is going to be one of those people you have to go see in person.
Just give the shield back before this get's any worse...
And I don't mean that as a threat. reg
1) I'd like to meet some of these people at Simucon that Edge has screwed. Since there are so many - it shouldn't be a problem for at least one of them to attend.
As far as I'm concerned, Edge possesses more integrity than most people I know.
2) If you had the shield and passed it off to others - it's still your butt that I'd be tacking to the wall til I got it back. reg
Zurrain/Tsin/Recoil originally sold some bad armor to Edgeleaf and Summir saying it was 2x exceptionally crit padded leather...when in fact it was damage padded. That was about a 12-15 million coin difference. Eventually Tsin had to repay every cent of it.
To this day I have no idea how the guy that plays these characters is still allowed in the game. He's pulled more stupid scams than I know of.
Now let's see...you don't have to be too bright to see that Tsin/Recoil/Zurrain has a hatred towards Edge and Summir...so it's only right that the shield was taken by him. reg
So, I will be heading to EN after I get off work to claim my shield in deeds. Amazing when Zurrain is 16 trains above me and you are scared to death of me.
Also Tsin is telling me the shield is 10x and is on a GMs PC and has been bumped up by the GM using his powers abusively. I don't believe that at all. But he is trying to get me to give him 6m for the 2x difference. So either he is a liar and its 8x and trying to trick me out of 6m or a GM abused their powers. Might want to check into this.
But a 8x shield is worth having the right to own his ass.
edge
reg
'lood
just making sure everyone knows this... reg
quote:
Originally posted by kelood:
hey guys, its a shield in a roleplaying game.
Exactly!
Edge is merely keeping in character by treating a liar and a thief appropriately.
Glad to see the GMs are going to allow this event to follow its normal course without intervention. reg
quote:
I hope this weasle goes to Simucon. I got a few things to say to this person..... extremely pissed and ready to punch the PC screen
yeah, sounds like edge is great at keeping things in character...
'lood
"wheres my baseball bat?"
reg
edge reg
quote:
Originally posted by kelood:
yeah, sounds like edge is great at keeping things in character...
I believe this is in regard to Tsin's remarks about how Edge has screwed over people at a 3:1 ratio, etc.
This comment:
For ever FAIR deal you receive, he is screwing over 3 others who you don't even know about.
So, Edge wants to smoke the guy in real life for derogatory remarks regarding real life issues/transactions.
And Edgeleaf wants to smoke the guy in game for stealing the shield.
Totally understandable - in character, and out. reg
Summir
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Funny. Every deal of any kind I've ever done with Edgeleaf, nothing bad ever happened. He could has very easily screwed me out of the zombie rattle we went in halves on it when he was using it, and we paid quite a large sum of money for it. I'm sure if he was a scammer, that would have been an opportunity he could have never passed up.
<<For ever FAIR deal you receive, he is screwing over 3 others who you don't even know about. He has for as long as I can remember, and I have plenty of folks who agree with me.>>
Who are these people, and just how is he screwing them over? reg
Summir reg
First off, I would like to entirely support edge's point on the matter that what gets done depends on who you know. I am, to this point, not able to use the official message boards because I posted about how certain former GMs and hosts sold things, gave things away, and created items without using up hostpoints for people. I included in my post a letter from a former host which offered to sell me some padding for cash.
But rather than listen to what I have to say, which, understandably to some of you who werent here at the time or part of the messes that they so affectionately hide now, are nothing more than pure rumor. I ask you all to ask around about what the whole deals were with such noble people as GM Aldrek, Gamehost Magiranger, GM Panashe, and the like, what they did. That should clear up any semblence of doubts some people may have about whether or not favoritism exists. To what degree it continues to exist today, no one knows but the GMs themselves, and while I will actually admit, I have neither heard nor seen anything of the sort regarding many of them, one might be shockingly surprised at how well certain people are treated, especially those known to have been an avenue for certain members of staff to exchange goods for dollars, and who I personally believe and know, to an extent, continues the practice to this day.
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Originally posted by kelood:
yeah, sounds like edge is great at keeping things in character...'lood
"wheres my baseball bat?"
We'll just assume you're all "easy going", and have never had a THING done wrong to you.
<rolls eyes>
reg
~Andiago
P.S.- You all check out Lady Tamral's new dress? reg
I can't believe Zurrainn and company. I sent Summir a copy of the IM between me and him last night in which he contradicted himself 3 different time. We went from "I didn't take the shield" to "I took it and gave it away" Now he's saying he's "given it to someone for safe keeping."
I've been drinking a lil so bear with me..but I dont care what sumabitch I see carrying it...Im'a kill em. And any of yewz that knows me knows I gotz da toyz to does it. After all...I am the ORIGINAL grumpy priest.
Zurrainn...No one likes a liar. And no one likes a spineless liar even more. Take it like the bi**h you are and bend over. Cause the ass whippin is comin'
<cackles quite insanely>
~Q -Who has had entirely too much to drink and has to work tomorrow morning. "Someone make me another margarita!"
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Here endeth the lesson... reg
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Originally posted by edge:
I am sorry you are to scared to stand up for yourself lood. I for one am not.edge
Come on Edge, you know that is not what he said.
He can disagree with you about how you are going about something. It doesn't mean that he thinks you are the antichrist and sure doesn't mean that you should paint him as one either.
This is an example of how you let your emotions jump ahead of your intelligence.
You make some excellent points and have a wealth of experience to relate to others, please dont let it all get lost in the smoke when you get in a tizzy over something.
And by the way I still agree that this guy who took the shield deserves a royal beat down and wish you the best in this particular endeavor. reg
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but if anything edge is consistant and stays with his beliefs no matter what anyone else thinks or says
yeah, like Bin Laden...
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We'll just assume you're all "easy going", and have never had a THING done wrong to you.
i guess i made the mistake in assuming you guys could all tell the difference between fantasy and reality...
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I am sorry you are to scared to stand up for yourself lood. I for one am not.
wanna brake out the ruler too? or do we need the yardstick...
'lood
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yeah, like Bin Laden...>>
And yet another demonstration of kelood's mass amounts of intelligence <cough>.
reg
'lood
"I don't see any connection to Vietnam, Walter.Well, there isn't a literal connection, Dude. Walter, face it, there isn't any connection. It's your roll."
reg
[This message has been edited by Weedmage Princess (edited 03-09-2002).] reg
If the *player* is using his character to scam people because the *player* thinks it's kewl and he has a bone to pick with the victim's *player* then he should be locked out permanently, do not pass go, do not collect 200 vultite broadswords.
If the *character* was created specifically for the purpose of ROLEPLAYING a rogue type scoundrel, and he is consistant in roleplaying within the genre of a medieval theme, then his *character's* victims should respond accordingly, IN character, end of story.
But then again, this is GemStoneIII we're talking about. Never mind
R
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But IMing people on AIM, forming a type of friendship like that with the sole intent of just trying to get access to the person's character so you can have a field day ripping them off, that's something entirely different from roleplaying a theif...well atleast that's just my opinion. reg
Kudos to Roberta and the weedmage princess.
As a purely *RP* scoundrel/thief..that person should also be willing/able to accept the consequences of his/her actions as well.
The fact that said moron decided to take it OOC and blab all over AIM to various individuals (myself included) that this was his "revenge", only shows that he ISN'T RPing this at all..but basing his in-game actions on his childish OOC feelings over a game.
Like I said...he should bend over and take it like the bi*ch he is. He cut his own throat...let him drown in blood.
~Q The original grumpy priest.
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You all loved to hate him reg
Andiago
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quote:Okay, discussion over, kelood, you're wrong. I'm invoking a modified Godwin's Law. reg
Originally posted by kelood:
yeah, like Bin Laden...
'lood
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Originally posted by Wysteria:
[b]Ummm no favortism? umm explain this, I know a Gm that gave a friend of mine 6 alters after the crowed has left and you say theres no favortism? thats funny some of the items were banned, not allowed in gemstone and to TOp it off, one of the other people that got hooked up to just happened to be a GH also?....not mentionign any names, but favortism is around.LOL, not gonna mention names because... IT NEVER HAPPENED!
Just another lie or rumor someone made up to make themselves feel big or important in front of you. IF it did happen and you were so concerned, you would have told Llearyn, so you could get that GM in trouble, eh?
But maybe it also like what someone else was saying... could you be jealous and wish you were the GM's friend instead?
I'm sure if a GM was making stuff for friends, it would get them in trouble and the friends will get in trouble too. If this fictional GM did what you said they did, I guess they'll get fired too.
I'm sure it happens, but not so blatantly and openly.
Spreading stuff you don't know firsthand has a nice way of blowing up in your face... how do you know your friend got these things the way he said he did? Were you there? Did you see the GM make them? Could he be ::gasp:: lying? Might he have bought them from someone else and passed them off as alterations?
Have you always been so gullible, Solken?
*~*~* Wysteria[/B]
NEVER HAPPENED? HAHAHAH damn thats too funny, if the people wouldnt mind me saying the names, i would have, but i can't but ask anyone it does happen
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Detriot what? reg
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Originally posted by Solkern:
NEVER HAPPENED? HAHAHAH damn thats too funny, if the people wouldnt mind me saying the names, i would have, but i can't but ask anyone it does happen
These are public boards, feel free to post the names. reg
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I got no dukes. reg
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Originally posted by Fralcon:
He said the person was a friend of his. You really think he is gonna post their name so people can harass them? Why would he do that to a friend?
Post the name or dont bother posting at all.
I can make up any story I want about a mythical person and then conveniently not be able to back it up as well.
Doesnt really carry much weight though, does it?
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I can make up any story I want about a mythical person and then conveniently not be able to back it up as well.
Doesnt really carry much weight though, does it?[/B][/QUOTE]
oh, ask any of my friends, i dont make up shit, i have no need to, you dont even know me, so dont assume i'm lying
Lets see, delt with Sukara, this was like a few years back, Jenisi, and elendryl and a few other stayed after everyone left, made a about 40 alters total between like 6 people, including an eyebrow ring, belly ring, i think the tongue spike was one of them, not sure, i wish i still had a log of it, but i dont, but theres a few names
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Detriot what? reg
And I would say there has to be something to the story, since I did see Elvaria back at the Dhu make something for Jenisi that was against the rules (it shimmered in the light, and this was on a long, not a show) and turn around and tell me that she couldn't make my jewelled waistchain sparkling.
That was the only time that I was disappointed with Kyalia's fairness on a merchant.
Aerienne reg
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Detriot what? reg
Also, elven-crafted is standardly approved. It's elven that isn't.
Aerienne
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Detriot what? reg
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Originally posted by Solkern:
Actually its not, andraste, merchant, fithra, and one other merchant said elven-crafted is not allowed elven styled is, but not elven crafted
Yeah, but we all know that Andraste does whatever the hell she wants and can get away with anything.
I'd like to know *[what she's doing]* at Simu to get that much power...
*[edited]*
[This message has been edited by kelood (edited 03-12-2002).] reg
Diago the Cute and Cuddly. reg
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Originally posted by Zentalin:
excellent edit there. I love how you can say things without saying them.
-Zentalin
I can't really blame Andy either. I would [what she's doing] some high up Simmy Employee to have free reign over GS too.
[This message has been edited by Dustin Brookthorn (edited 03-12-2002).] reg
Aerienne, who's not amused by the crass little boy attempts at degrading Andraste. Is it any wonder she quit posting here? reg
It doesn't really matter whether or not she posts here, what matters is that she at least still reads here and gets lots of input.
I don't know about you, but if someone was talking so much trash about me that made me threaten to quit posting, I'd want to at least still secretly read the boards to see if they're still bad-mouthing me, or at the very least, just continue reading normal posts. ;)
- Pudgee reg
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Originally posted by Dustin Brookthorn:
Yeah, but we all know that Andraste does whatever the hell she wants and can get away with anything.I'd like to know *[what she's doing]* at Simu to get that much power...
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[This message has been edited by kelood (edited 03-12-2002).]
Pathetic post.
If you post garbage like this you will lose people like me who might otherwise listen to your point of view.
If you dont like what a Simu employee is doing than state specific examples and make your point.
Such innuendo is insulting not only to her but to the intelligence of others who read here.
Grow up. reg
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Originally posted by Pudgee:
>>Aerienne, who's not amused by the crass little boy attempts at degrading Andraste. Is it any wonder she quit posting here?It doesn't really matter whether or not she posts here, what matters is that she at least still reads here and gets lots of input.
I don't know about you, but if someone was talking so much trash about me that made me threaten to quit posting, I'd want to at least still secretly read the boards to see if they're still bad-mouthing me, or at the very least, just continue reading normal posts.
- Pudgee
I can't see why on earth she would tune in to read such drivel.
I'm sure she has much better things to do with her time than make it a point to tune in to a site where she has to take such childish insults being hurled at her.
But sure....continue to insult any and all simu personel who actually take time to post, why not?
Sounds like an incredibly constructive strategy. reg
Like, Sat. when I was at a bar. I met a Stewardess. So I asked her if she was part of the mile high club...hehe. She said I was a rude ahole. I respect that in woman. But she came back and talked to me and I told her. I don't want a woman without a sense of humor. So I made her even madder...Woohoo!
But enough said about me and my crusade to make every woman mad at me.
People do not believe rumors like Andraste is sleeping with Whatley for control over Gemstone. Or stuff like that.
But people know that their is a lack of consistancy in enforcing policy and lots of people have conflicts with Andraste. So, maybe these complaints will be heard by her or someone and something will get done.
We can hope for the best.
I keep hoping for no breakage myself...::mutter::
edge
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Originally posted by Skirmisher:
Pathetic post.If you post garbage like this you will lose people like me who might otherwise listen to your point of view.
If you dont like what a Simu employee is doing than state specific examples and make your point.
Such innuendo is insulting not only to her but to the intelligence of others who read here.
Grow up.
When I get to tell you what to post then you can tell me what to post.
Sound fair? If not I don't really care.
Countless people have had run ins with Andraste. I'm not the only one who feels that way about her. If you don't like it, and if you can't handle an adult conversation, then maybe you should go back to school and forget about playing mature games. reg
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Originally posted by edge:
I always enjoy to hear what people think about me. I have more respect for them then.Like, Sat. when I was at a bar. I met a Stewardess. So I asked her if she was part of the mile high club...hehe. She said I was a rude ahole. I respect that in woman. But she came back and talked to me and I told her. I don't want a woman without a sense of humor. So I made her even madder...Woohoo!
But enough said about me and my crusade to make every woman mad at me.
People do not believe rumors like Andraste is sleeping with Whatley for control over Gemstone. Or stuff like that.
But people know that their is a lack of consistancy in enforcing policy and lots of people have conflicts with Andraste. So, maybe these complaints will be heard by her or someone and something will get done.
We can hope for the best.
I keep hoping for no breakage myself...::mutter::
edge
Thanks Edge, I needed a good laugh to start the day. reg
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Originally posted by Dustin Brookthorn:
When I get to tell you what to post then you can tell me what to post.Sound fair? If not I don't really care.
Countless people have had run ins with Andraste. I'm not the only one who feels that way about her. If you don't like it, and if you can't handle an adult conversation, then maybe you should go back to school and forget about playing mature games.
I never said Andraste or any other GM is 100% in following policy ALL the time. GM's are human too you know and do make errors.
Adult conversation? All for it.
Learn how to start one and I'll join in.
Just keep the weak insults to yourself.
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Detriot what? reg
Why are you complaining about other GMs doing it then? <poke> reg
Me and Andraste have bumped heads quite a few times in the past and disagree on a lot of things, but she's always been "human" about things, unlike some other GMs that are always in a pissed off mood and make you really wonder if you're talking to a robot or something.
Andraste might yank people to the lounge a lot or do a lot of [SEND]s, but from my own experience, a lot of the times I got yanked or got a [SEND] from her, I probably would have gotten a warning or a lockout had it been one of the "robot" GMs.
Andraste (if you ask me) seems to be very tolerant with people when it comes to warnings and lockouts. Maybe too tolerant with some people, but it's better than zero tolerance, like some of the other GMs that seem to hit their "pull" macro, wave to you and say "See ya in 30 days asshole!" because you looked at the flower girl the wrong way.
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I think that Andraste is one of the best GMs out there, so, yeah, and stuff. reg
Summir reg
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Originally posted by Summir:
I myself have had a few conversations with Andraste and think she is one of the more "fair" GM's. She's pretty good at listening to both sides before forming an opinion. Edge has bashed heads with her a few times and i think for awhile was unfairly watched/monitored, but we don't really know who was behind that and can't cast blame. I have had, for the most part, good experiences with the GM's but from what i've heard i'm one of the lucky one's.Summir
Well, I'd like to thank everyone for posting on the matter. Maybe my situations with meeting Andraste were a little different and could have been why I felt the way I do. It is nice to see others that have had good experiences. I won't say every experience I had with her was bad. I haven't really had a lot of run ins with her, but the one time in particular I didn't agree with the way she handled things and probably still hold a little grudge about that. Boo to me. Maybe I'll give her another chance since there are people sitting on both sides of the fence on this one.
And I'll apologize for the rude comments I did make. reg
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Originally posted by Methais:
<<bah, I should be a GM, i'd be as corrupt as they get, i'd tell my friends where imma be if i was a merchant why not?? I bet most people would heh, wait they already do!>>Why are you complaining about other GMs doing it then? <poke>
when did i complain
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Detriot what? reg
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Originally posted by Solkern:
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Detriot what?[/B]
Do you mean Detroit?
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You realize of course I have most likely had more run-ins with GM's than anyone else on these boards. (that is no boast either)
I can confirm for sure that Andraste is most assuredly not sleeping with anyone to get power. Brauden on the other hand....maybe? <jk> <duck>
Naw...Andraste is one of the most hardassed yet nicest GM's there is. She busts her ass for us and I respect that. She and I can have a knock down drag out and not speak for a month and she'd still turn around and help me with anything I need if I had a problem. Why? Because thats her job. And she does it well.
There aren't many GM's I absolutely can't stand. I know of one for sure that can't stand me. But do any of you know ONE SINGLE place where that kind of problem DOESNT exist? Nope...
That is just the way it is.
~Quiethorne
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Here endeth the lesson... reg
I responded by vaporizing him with an implode rod. He responded by trying to rapid fire/boil me in town once he gave his friend all of his gear, but my casts of minor sanct stopped that. So he stalks/fogs me to voln, and sets up an ambush.
I set up a better ambush, by going invisible to the voln trail, where he's saying to his friend 'Oh yeah, I'm just waiting for Urgoyle to drag his idiot self out here so I can teach him a lesson.' So I decide he obviously doesn't want this conflict to end, so I e-wave/implode him again.
**WARNING**WARNING**WARNING.... (etc) This is an official warning for unwanted CvC conflict...
I was pissed, When I got my referal, I got Andraste, I knew I was in even more trouble. We spoke at length, for about 1 hour or so, about the various morality of killing other people, whether he wanted the conflict or not. I argued that he brought it on by himself in the first place.
She refused to remove the warning, and I knew why, afterall, GMs don't conterdict each other, and so on... I kept trying to show my side of things, show her my point of view, since it was painfully clear that this wasn't 'unwanted' CvC, so that at least maybe I should be warned for something else, if she decided I needed to be warned, etc. etc.....
Anyway, she admits to me, that she was the one who warned me, and after we continue our conversation. She sees my point of view on things, and the warning is removed from me.... The person I had destroyed came up also, to have a small chat, and I learned at that time that he had no deeds at the time (and he was upset at me taking 30k experience from him).... So that just made me feel all the more better, heh...
Anyway... I guess I should start rapping this up... Remember me? I'm the guy who always (well, not recently) believes the staff hates him, is out to get him, and so on and so forth. If I can get reasonably fair treatment from someone who has a rep for being the meanest one out there at times... Heh, anything is possible..
-goyle... Who still chalks that day up as 'The day I seriously got my revenge'
PS-Does anyone, wizard, cocky, or otherwise, actually assault other players, and have no deeds themselves, and expect to survive the retaliation?... Or is it just a given that all empaths are defenseless, and never train in spell aim, or magic item use, or carry implosion and e-wave imbeds at the same time too. reg